Starts out slow but gets more and more interesting. There may be a few things that dont "feel" right about the timeline he puts forth but not enough too change the over all truthfullness "IMO" of his whole presentation.
Peace
video 1 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6681910439634411366&q=mayan+calendar

video 2 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=556117542011883927&q=mayan+calendar


video 3 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3348185130449329723&q=mayan+calendar

, , , and so, this is aimed at what?
To inform that we are at a unique time in mankinds history?
I all ready know that the whole system here on earth is about to go down the toilet.
Why should I spend the time to look?

That UFO's are real, YES
That ET's are real? YES
Some of us know why they are here, and why they are out there too. Do you?
Some of us know that they have had a major war in our solar system in very recent history. Do you?

We know why "they" are here in this forum, and in most forums. Do you?

It's an information war. Truth, or deceptions, figure it out.

Norval

Some of us know that they have had a major war in our solar system in very recent history. Do you?
Norval

No but please share what you know, sounds interesting. Between who?
To answer your other questions i know very little for certain, i know theres people out there with intentions to decieve and so i just look where my intuition leads me, some topics just feel "truthy". I do believe in ETs but as for knowing what there actually called or come from i have no clue, Pleidians, Osirus, Grays of various sorts etc. Im sure theres more than just one race of them(tons i bet) but i would bet some are made up as well. I look as deeply as i can into all these things and many more and like to share articles, videos etc that i deem worthy of at least looking at. Im glad you have researched as much as you have, many are too closeminded or lazy.
Peace

No but please share what you know, sounds interesting. Between who?
To answer your other questions i know very little for certain, i know theres people out there with intentions to decieve and so i just look where my intuition leads me, some topics just feel "truthy". I do believe in ETs but as for knowing what there actually called or come from i have no clue, Pleidians, Osirus, Grays of various sorts etc. Im sure theres more than just one race of them(tons i bet) but i would bet some are made up as well. I look as deeply as i can into all these things and many more and like to share articles, videos etc that i deem worthy of at least looking at. Im glad you have researched as much as you have, many are too closeminded or lazy.
Peace
As part of my research I found the mayan calender story very interesting!
It is a fascinating combination of mapping the solar year and integrating it with their mathematics and their religious system. The calendar was originated by the Toltecs and was adopted and improved upon by the Maya. The Maya began counting from their year "0" which corresponds to our date of 3113 BC and all dates correspond to this date as the starting point. This is the same rationalle as our calendar starting our year "0" from the birth of a religious leader and the count moving foreward from that point. .

They had a very unique knowledge of the stars.
However much of their knowledge was destroyed when the european explorers first arrived and built settlements. Only remanants of their history and culture have survived throughout the centuries.

Mayans claims that their calender does, in fact, predict the end in 2012. Now, obviously, this still doesn't prove that they could predict the future, and is hardly a deciding factor in the argument, but it's got me interested. It seems unlikely to me that if the Mayans put a date to the end of the world they'd choose one that was so close to when they were still around, but I may be wrong.

According to my hypothesis the 2012, December 12 end date corresponds to an entry of a celestrial object or planet into the solar system.

If you think its all about space aliens and stuff,. you are right , the mayans owe their knowledge to visitors from another world, quite possibly the one in their end date!!

http://www.michielb.nl/maya/calendar.html

All most all of the old cultures have tales of "visitors".

The most accurate I have found is the bibles.

The bible, it is not about religion.

Norval

All most all of the old cultures have tales of "visitors".

The most accurate I have found is the bibles.

The bible, it is not about religion.

Norval
You are correct!!,. The bible is a collection of logs recorded by waves of civilizations possibly 10,000 years or even more who have spoken about their encounters and observations on this planet . Over the centuries these stories and events were dressed up in a storyline to explain the philosophy behind the creation of moral laws in a society. hence you have the birth of a religon.
Biblical events are always built around stories of great facination, Its in these stories that you find most of the science.

What do the Maya have to with space aliens? Can someone please tell me so I don't have to sit through the video.

Why do people think that because a race is able to follow the stars across the sky there is somehow alien knowledge involved?

Every reputable source I read says the the Maya did not predict the end of the world with the ticking over of their long count calendar (they had a few calendars you know). It is just the calendar ticking over and a time of change.

I would not put much faith in any of their prophecies anyway as they were unable to predict their own demise.


You are correct!!,. The bible is a collection of logs recorded by waves of civilizations possibly 10,000 years or even more who have spoken about their encounters and observations on this planet . Which civilisations are you referring to? The earliest known ones are dated to only a few thousand BC.

Over the centuries these stories and events were dressed up in a storyline to explain the philosophy behind the creation of moral laws in a society. hence you have the birth of a religon.
Biblical events are always built around stories of great facination, Its in these stories that you find most of the science.What science is there in the bible? Science being "Systematized knowledge derived from observation, study, and experimentation carried on in order to determine the nature or principles of what is being studied".

Which civilisations are you referring to? The earliest known ones are dated to only a few thousand BC.

Ummm.
A 'few' generally indicates somewhere in the order of three or four. To me, anyway.

Add a few or two on top of your few and you'd then be in the ballpark.


Anyway.
The bible was written late.
Most of the old testament was put together after the return from Exile to Babylon. It's pretty much nationalistic propaganda. And quite obviously so.
But, it wasn't actually all solidified until ... I forget the actual date and don't care enough to go looking for it, but it was either the the first century BC or AD. Somewhere in that area.

And, of course, the New Testament wasn't compiled until a few hundred years after that. Although the texts eventually incorporated into it were mostly written around 100 AD or so.

While many have studied the ancient writings, most get side tracked by when and who wrote them. It is the "content" of those old writings that make me a believer of what the bibles say. These questions that are known to be over 2,000 years old are what interests me about the bible and science. :eek:

1. Weigh for me fire.
2. Show me a picture of a voice.
3. Measure for me a blast of wind.
4. Call back a day that has gone by.

An "angel" asked those questions of Ezra the prophet and said if you can answer just one of those questions you will then be able to begin to understand the things of the heavens. It is only because of our technological comprehension of our modern world that we can answer ALL of those questions.

Asked in a very old and simple language with a 4,000 (+/-) word vocabulary. It is only in modern history that we can answer those questions.

It is the CONTENT that is of great importance of those ancient writings, mayan, bible, what have you, they all mention things that we can only begin to understand today. And, only because we have flying machines, the atom bomb, and now have an idea of just how big our universe really is, can we
comprehend what these old writings were telling of.

But WHY are there ones so adamant about DENIAL?!?!?!
Just a bunch of thrown down sore losers I think. :D

Norval

[shaman]What do the Maya have to with space aliens? Can someone please tell me so I don't have to sit through the video.

Most ancients civilizations have knowledge that do not coincide with the progressive timeline trail of earth.
meaning development of tools, know-how and systems before their time.
still don't get it,..google it! :D

Why do people think that because a race is able to follow the stars across the sky there is somehow alien knowledge involved?

I think they must have been so far confused they decided to write a load of heavy astronomy and use it to chart objects in the sky,. reason they were bored out of their minds, Disneyland wasn't built yet!! :D

Every reputable source I read says the the Maya did not predict the end of the world with the ticking over of their long count calendar (they had a few calendars you know). It is just the calendar ticking over and a time of change.

each calender represents certain atributes of their civilization, example,. agriculture, worship, economy etc.

I would not put much faith in any of their prophecies anyway as they were unable to predict their own demise.

They are not prophecies but predictions to a possible senario, you don't have to take it literally!


Which civilisations are you referring to? The earliest known ones are dated to only a few thousand BC.

Try sumerian
What science is there in the bible? Science being "Systematized knowledge derived from observation, study, and experimentation carried on in order to determine the nature or principles of what is being studied".

Loads!!!
Genesis 1:1 Space
Genesis 1:2 Matter
Genesis 1:3- Energy

Book Of Isaiah speaks of a planet destroyed what is now an asteriod belt between mars and jupiter.

Look carefullty into genesis you would find civilizations created and destroyed , references to the Bible speak of inhabitants before the adam and eve story,

The Mayan Calendar does NOT say the world will end in 2012. This is just an ending date of their cycle. According to their mythology on December 21, 2012 we enter the Age of the 5th Sun, the 6th World, or the Age of Ether (earth, air, fire, water, ether).

Also according to some others due to Gregorian calendar distortions the New Cycle began in 2003, not 2012.

This is just a new cycle. For instance according to the Mayans 1519 marked the beginning of 9 hells, the end of the fifth world, each hell 52 years each, each progressively less worse (this was the time that the westerners landed in the new world, and the world changed forever). Note that the end of the 9 hells (1987) marks the beginning of the digital age.

I can see it now, 2012 comes and goes and NOTHING happens, no comets or astroids, or UFO landings, or any of the above BS.

Most ancients civilizations have knowledge that do not coincide with the progressive timeline trail of earth.
meaning development of tools, know-how and systems before their time.
still don't get it,..google it! :D
No I wont be googling it. I have read books by Von Daniken and Hancock and found them to be making enormous leaps based on the flimsy evidence. The conclusions of these types of authors are an insult to the civilisations that produced some magnificent feats of architecture, engineering and science.


They are not prophecies but predictions to a possible senario, you don't have to take it literally!A prophecy is a prediction. They are synonyms. Not important as they did not make a prediction that the world would end.


Which civilisations are you referring to? The earliest known ones are dated to only a few thousand BC.

Try sumerian Sumer does not date back 10,000 years before the bible was written.


Loads!!!
Genesis 1:1 Space
Genesis 1:2 Matter
Genesis 1:3- Energy
“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”

This is a creation myth that has nothing to do with science.


Book Of Isaiah speaks of a planet destroyed what is now an asteriod belt between mars and jupiter.

Look carefullty into genesis you would find civilizations created and destroyed , references to the Bible speak of inhabitants before the adam and eve story,I doubt these claims but it is not important. There are some elements of truth in the bible. Some of the events certainly happened. However it cannot be relied upon as a record of historical facts (particularly genesis).

Why do people think that because a race is able to follow the stars across the sky there is somehow alien knowledge involved?

Thats a good point, since most people tend to neglect that the stars viewed from earth are obviously going to be different than from somewhere else in space.

[shaman]
Why do people think that because a race is able to follow the stars across the sky there is somehow alien knowledge involved?

Because some of the information known from such ancient cultures such as how many planets are in our solar system, how big they are in relationship to each other, and the order they are in, that the SUN was the center of our system and so on.
Thats part of it anyway.


Anyways, just wanted to say thanks barehand.
This is fantasticly interesting stuff.
Always wanted to know what the big deal was with the Myan calendar.
Thanks again for sharing.

Yeah, cuz there was like NO way to tell that ourselves...sheesh...get a clue.

Yeah, cuz there was like NO way to tell that ourselves...sheesh...get a clue.
Care to explain?

Yeah, cuz there was like NO way to tell that ourselves...sheesh...get a clue.

Try to look through ancient Mayan people's eyes, they had no high powered telescopes. No doubt they were very observant of the stars but they knew more than can be known with the eyes as their only tool IMO.

Because some of the information known from such ancient cultures such as how many planets are in our solar system, how big they are in relationship to each other, and the order they are in, that the SUN was the center of our system and so on.
Thats part of it anyway.

So which ancient cultures had all this information?

From my understanding the Maya did not claim that the sun was at the centre of our solar system.

Once upon a time, long long ago.... there was no signposts to the great cities, no way of knowing which "country" you were in. However people use to trade in their fine goods and wears, even without knowing the surrounding areas. How did they navigate you might ask???? By the stars.

The stars and sun were used for navigation purposes by those on both land and sea, you could even suggest that settlements were place at Astronomically observant locations (Namely someone might follow a star to a particular city and that city might be linked with that star for the purpose of navigation.)

This "theory" might not be proven, however there is suggestibly some well known historical landmarks built by ancient people that are placed at astronomical locations on the planet, which in turn would of been used as "Signposts".

You can also suggest that star navigation was more important if the people navigating were seafaring.

These years are the ones where the truth comes out of those in power according to the Mayan Calendar.
Here is another great force of truth...
Can't wait to see it.
http://www.freedomtofascism.com/

Which civilisations are you referring to? The earliest known ones are dated to only a few thousand BC.

wrong. there is abundant evidence of civilization in the areas west of the nile river in egypt as far back as 10,000 bc. they have even found their huts.

"Huts" do not a civilisation make.

Try to look through ancient Mayan people's eyes, [/b]

They are the Maya not the "Mayan." In fact, this was the first clue in the lengthy videos you linked to that the now dead Lungold was ignorant at best, a crackpot at worst. Other nonsense in the first video was evidence of the latter. Admittedly, I couldn't be arsed to sit through the whole video and skipped about, but I found very little facts and a lot of rubbish.

If interested in learning about actual facts regarding the Maya civilization, look at the references I'll leave at the end of this post. Forget "google," when it comes to ancient civilizations books and journals written by scholars who cite their sources of data is the way to go.

they had no high powered telescopes. No doubt they were very observant of the stars but they knew more than can be known with the eyes as their only tool IMO.

It would seem that your opinion is uninformed or, perhaps, misinformed. What, precisely, did the people of antiquity know that they shouldn't have?

About the references
Barbara Tedlock's book is useful in understanding how the Maya calendar functions in K'iche' life and society. Coe is an undisputed necessity for anyone who wants as complete an introduction possible in the Maya civilization. His book, The Maya, is widely available and can be found in any good library and often in book stores like Borders and B&N for just $15-20. Its a trade paperback with detailed diagrams, illustrations and photos of sites, site plans, iconography, artifacts, murals, etc. The PDF file, Introduction to Maya Hieroglyphs, includes a section on the Maya calendar and long count system as well as a section on how to convert Long Count to Gregorian. It is, however, an invaluable and scholarly reference in Maya Hieroglyphs.

References:

Bricker, Victoria (1982). "The Origin of the Maya Solar Calendar". Current Anthropology 23 (1): 101-103.

Coe, Michael D. (1992). Breaking the Maya Code. London: Thames and Hudson.

Coe, Michael D. (1999). The Maya, 6th edition. London: Thames and Hudson.

Kettunen, Harri and Christophe Helmke (2005). Introduction to Maya Hieroglyphs: 10th European Maya Conference Workshop Handbook, Leiden: Wayeb and Leiden University. PDF Version found (8/6/06) at: http://www.mesoweb.com/resources/handbook/WH2005.pdf

Maya World Studies Center (2001). The Maya Calendar (http://www.mayacalendar.com/menu.html).

Tedlock, Barbara (1982). Time and the Highland Maya. Albuquerque, NM:University of New Mexico Press

Im not sure if its the correct way to do it grammaticaly but i was adding the n to Maya kinda like if i wanted to talk about a thing a person in Eqypt made; I would then say something like "The Egyption artifact bla bla bla". It doesnt sound right to me in my head to say Maya Calendar for some reason. And so to me its the Mayan Calendar.
Peace

And so, what, precisely, did the people of antiquity know that they shouldn't have?

Just off the top of my head i would say the number of planets in our solar system(some of which cant be seen), the way in which our solar system moves though the presession of the equinoxes. You might say they watched the stars but how could they know the cycles of time related to solar system movement which are huge. I dont think the Maya have been around long enough to observe a full cycle.

There's no evidence that the Maya were aware of more than 5 planets (which is what can be seen with the naked eye) and certainly no evidence that they understood what a planet was. They were particularly enamored with Venus.

What evidence would you suggest indicates that the Maya knew about precession?

The only thing I see evidence of is the credulous nature of significance-junkies who are find undo significance in the fact that the Maya calendar stops at 2012. I wonder if some significance-junkies of 2050 will find it equally significant that Windows XP's calendar ends at 2099?

The mathmatics suggest they knew about presession. They knew exactly how long it took for our solar system to go through a cycle of the presession.

What mathematics? Could you show us?

Uggh, i am feeling uninspired atm, but i will give it a go.

edit* It is beyond my skill in mathmatics and level of energy atm to explain that.
Here is a site with info about some of their universe mathmatics, which i have read similarly on many other sites. All suggesting to me their knowledge of presession.
http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/converg.html
More things which suggest to me ET teachings is that several civilasations have information or structures which point towards the same places in the sky(The Great Pyramid's south and north shafts in the Kings Chamber are pointed to Al Nitak (Zeta Orionis) and Alpha Draconis respectively, while the south and north shafts of the Queens Chamber point to Sirius and Orion; And Mayan Pyramid of the Sun points to Orion as well) If you research Sumarian info and Vedic i think yo9u will find similar.

http://www.philipcoppens.com/orionimage.html
^ info on Mayan pyramid

http://www.sacredsites.com/africa/egypt/great_pyramid.html
^info on Egyptian pyramid

Peace

Not only are your links pure bunk, but you appear to have not even read them! The second link is *not* to a Maya (not "Mayan") pyramid at all. The first link is pure poppycock propagated by a few significance junkies that can't even do math much less properly interpret archaeological data.

The Maya calendar has been used along with epigraphical sources to determine the date at which they believe the world began: 3114 BCE. The calendar itself cycles in 5200 years (2012). The world doesn't "end," the calendar just starts over again.

The dummy in the link you gave suggests that the current cycle is part of 5 other "great cycles." He then suggests that the math (5200 x 5=2600) is significant because this is the cycle of the precession of the equinoxes. It isn't. Precession takes 25,700 years. One can argue that this is "close," but significance-junkies and mystery-mongers can't have it both ways. Either the Maya were uncanny in their calculations or they weren't. 25,700 from 26,000 is 300 years and about 12 generations!

The second link seems to claim that both the Giza and Teotihuacan pyramids were identically aligned to match Orion's belt. If they were, whoop-dee frickin' do. But the two complexes have entirely different layouts. Kafre's and Khufu's pyramids are aligned across diagonal axes; Menkare's pyramid is parallel but not in line with the other two. The pyramids simply do not line up the way the three stars of Orion's belt do. Moreover, 3 stars hardly make a constellation.

The Teotihuacan complex that you refer to as a "Mayan pyramid" in a doubly erroneous manner (it is Teotihuacan, not Maya) is of a completely different alignment. Of the three major components of this complex, the Temple of the Moon is positioned at the very end of the Street of the Dead. The street itself is aligned with Fat Mountain, for which the pyramids were representations of. The Pyramids of the Moon and Sun axially aligned, though they were, of course parallel. Nor does the Quetzacoatl complex align with either in any meaningful way.

To summarize: your assertions, which aren't yours at all but those of other mystery-mongers and significance-junkies, are poppycock. There is no evidence that the Maya or any other ancient civilization had any knowledge that is out of place or impossible for them to have. There is no evidence of space aliens visiting to drop off any knowledge There is no evidence of a super-civilization that had space-age technology in the Neolithic. There is no evidence that people of the Pre-Pottery Neolithic had any technology that exceeded some really cool stone tools. They were "pre-pottery." They didn't even have a pot to piss in.

As mentioned on previous posts, any alignment that man made structures had placed would of had some significance either due to their natural function (religious celebration at a set time of year etc) or for the function of acting as a navigational marker on an otherwise barren landscape. I've suggested either their alignment was made to navigate from, or to navigate too.

I did briefly skip the sites, perhaps not as well as i should've, but im not concerned. From what i have read overall ...what i have said fits best(For me). So go read up and decide what fits best for you and enjoy.
Peace

To those that read this thread coming from a google search:

This has been a good exercise in several logical fallacies, the most significant being the argument from personal incredulity (http://www.theskepticsguide.org/logicalfallacies.asp). The original poster would appear to find the significance of the exaggerated antiquity of man to be romantically engaging, and rightly so. Such notions are fun speculations as are notions of ancient civilizations with advanced technology. But they play best in the pages and celluloid of books and film.

But his last post is the most revealing: "im not concerned. From what i have read overall ...what i have said fits best(For me). So go read up and decide what fits best for you and enjoy."

He's already decided what he wishes to believe and looks only for that data which fit his beliefs -even if it is completely made-up.

If you want to truly learn about the Maya and other ancient civilizations, crack a book. Not just any book, but one written by legitimate scholars. There are many which are written for the lay person in mind, and Coe's The Maya (http://tinyurl.com/zal48) is a wonderful place to start.

I have read very interesting articles about the supposed Real purpose behind the Egypt pyramid. Which basicly was a gigantic meditation amplifier. Or initiation chamber to altered states of consciousness(OBE i think). And that the small holes which angled up and out of the pyramid were a guide for the Initiate to follow to go to specific place(Orion, etc). There is a small tub like structure in a room of the pyramid which is thought to have acted as a floatation isolation chamber to aid the Initiate. The people who built the pyramid and wrote the book of the dead or whatever were less focused on death(as alot of eqypt scholars would say is there main focus) and more focused on OBE like travels(out of body experiences). This in my opinion makes more sense to me. And again it returns my thoughts to ET, if they were leaving there bodies into the astral realms or whatever and traveling out of the pyramid on the paths specified by the holes in the structure, why the specific stars Orion and Sirius and what have you? Because there was intelligent life there IMO!
Peace

To those that read this thread coming from a google search:

This has been a good exercise in several logical fallacies, the most significant being the argument from personal incredulity (http://www.theskepticsguide.org/logicalfallacies.asp). The original poster would appear to find the significance of the exaggerated antiquity of man to be romantically engaging, and rightly so. Such notions are fun speculations as are notions of ancient civilizations with advanced technology. But they play best in the pages and celluloid of books and film.

But his last post is the most revealing: "im not concerned. From what i have read overall ...what i have said fits best(For me). So go read up and decide what fits best for you and enjoy."

He's already decided what he wishes to believe and looks only for that data which fit his beliefs -even if it is completely made-up.

If you want to truly learn about the Maya and other ancient civilizations, crack a book. Not just any book, but one written by legitimate scholars. There are many which are written for the lay person in mind, and Coe's The Maya (http://tinyurl.com/zal48) is a wonderful place to start.

In my experince these "Legitimate scholars" are the ones afraid to risk there "legitimacy" to jump outside the box where the truth might lie. So they stick with mainstream stuff(not to say mainstream is always wrong, but imo sometimes it is)
As for deciding what i wish to believe i approach any subject which is unknown or new to me with an open mind. I do not pay attention to whether a author or scholar on the topic is supposedly "legitimate" or "peer reviewed" or anything of that nature, i look at the information(the important thing) and how truthfull it feels.

Everyone has their own "Truth". Its not the same for anyone. It is hard to know the most "Truth" about a topic alot of times without various knowledge in many other topics. And so my "Truth" is an evolving thing, i do not have some concrete encased belief structure. It is fluid and absorbs everything nearly, out of this swirling mixture of everything i know a "big picture" is sometimes apparent on the surface. And this big picture is ever changing itself as limitless possibilities intermix with it. I believe one day i will know the absolute "Truth"(when i die? hopefully before...2012??...i hope). Until then i just accept that im working with flawed info and just do the best i can with the crap info out there which is available to me.
Peace

Your personal fantasies do not make truth for you anymore than they do the rest of us. What is real exists independently of what you believe to be real.

We examine things by looking at the evidence. Your assumptions about the Egyptians and the purpose of the pyramids are rife with more fallacious logic, particularly the argument of personal incredulity. If you don't understand what's truly known about ancient Egyptians, then your beliefs are right? Pure poppycock.

Crack a book. A real one.

You aren't far off in the functions of some of the design elements in pyramids, but you're assuming that the ancient Egyptians weren't credulous also. For all the wild beliefs that people of today have, they had, perhaps, many more. They believed in an afterlife and many types of souls. I'll be able to go into more detail on Egyptian funerary practices and beliefs in a later post, but suffice to say, that they believed the soul of the dead could take form and fly from the pyramid.

And 2012 is only 6 years away. I certainly hope you don't die before then.

All that is "known" to be true could tommorow with some new discovery become rediculous or part true. So imo anyones view of what is true no matter how many people believe it to be The Truth is still only just there current view of Truth. I do agree with your assesment of there being a absolute truth existing outside our individual or collective views on truth. But i think alot in history has been changed(or just swept under a rug) to keep certain information from us, such as the use of the pyramid in Initiatory rites to free a persons Astral body from there flesh. Thus aiding in spiritual development.

I didnt mean to take away from there belief in the afterlife or the need for them to know how to advance or journey there but meant mostly to just put emphasis on how some or alot of there attention was imo on journeying Astrally while still alive.
Peace

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6056789081969524094&q=Tsarion
I very smart guy talking about ancient peoples.

In truth, skinny's new icon is less truthfull than it's other one.

I give the time span from 2005 to 2015, and 2012 is in that time frame also.

Big cheesy grins

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6056789081969524094&q=Tsarion
I very smart guy talking about ancient peoples.
Yet another interesting/entertaining link Barehanded.
Thanks again. :)

If I'm going to watch fiction, I'd rather watch Stargate and Battlestar Galactica. The production value is higher in each.

If I'm going to watch fiction, I'd rather watch Stargate and Battlestar Galactica. The production value is higher in each.
The Lord of the Rings trilogy is good.
I like the Blade trilogy as well.

P.S. Very interesting to find out where the words "Catastrophe" and "Disaster" came from and what they literaly mean.

For those that might be waiting, breath bated:

Catastrophe - from the Greek, {kappa}{alpha}{tau}{alpha}{tau} -{rho}{omicron}{phi}{ghacu} overturning, sudden turn, conclusion.

Disaster - from the French dis- + astre. Astre meaning star or planet, and by adding the "dis" creates a negative connotation such as with disrepair. A calamity or misfortune. The opposite is benastre, meaning "good fortune."

Much of our current etymology in language is derived from the superstitions of our fore-fathers.

I couldn't get all the Greek letters figured out in the alt-num pad, so I just typed their English equivalents in brackets.

Καταστροφή
[Thats what Babelfish.altavista.com came out with on a English to Greek translation ;) ]

For those that might be waiting, breath bated:

Catastrophe - from the Greek, {kappa}{alpha}{tau}{alpha}{tau} -{rho}{omicron}{phi}{ghacu} overturning, sudden turn, conclusion.

Disaster - from the French dis- + astre. Astre meaning star or planet, and by adding the "dis" creates a negative connotation such as with disrepair. A calamity or misfortune. The opposite is benastre, meaning "good fortune."

Much of our current etymology in language is derived from the superstitions of our fore-fathers.

I couldn't get all the Greek letters figured out in the alt-num pad, so I just typed their English equivalents in brackets.


Fairly good translation on Disaster, Catastrophe not so good.
Can you take me to a link or reference where these words have been proven to be taken from some form of "superstition", or was that just a general reference?

Thanks

Catastrophe is dead on according to the Oxford English Dictionary. Do you have another etymology?

The French astre refers to stars and planets. Their superstitions were that the stars and planets affected their fortunes. No rocket science there.

astre refers to stars and planets.

Yeah, thats what I was looking for.
Sorry, didn't see you post that explanation originaly with catastrophe, only with disaster.
My Dic says "a sudden or severe disaster".
Makes more sense than the overly complicated than need be {kappa}{alpha}{tau}{alpha}{tau} -{rho}{omicron}{phi}{ghacu} etc.

**Their superstitions were that the stars and planets affected their fortunes.


Who's "they"?
Are you saying all of the french were into horoscope type stuff as a foundation for their beliefs or "who" exactly are you talking about?
Besides, I didn't ask you "who", I asked "where" your proof was that these words in particular stem from some specific superstition.

Can you show me these superstitions you speak of claiming to describe the destruction of a planet or star and what it supposedly meant to the individual in question?

Like whenever a star or planet is destroyed their love life will improve that week or something?

2012 has become the new 'jesus will come down and save us all' for agnositcs and relio-skeptics it seems o_0

2012 apparently holds some sort of significance in the Maya Calendar....don't know what exactly.
I'll make sure to write down the event in my day planner:)

Well its more likely to be another Religious Nutjob year of Stupidity, they'll put their heads together come up with a date that seems "Prophetic" and then go about trying to make that prophecy come true.

If the end of the world was nigh, it would only be for you nutjobs as the world will still go on without you. (Thats not actually expressed at any reader)

Well its more likely to be another Religious Nutjob year of Stupidity, they'll put their heads together come up with a date that seems "Prophetic" and then go about trying to make that prophecy come true.

If the end of the world was nigh, it would only be for you nutjobs as the world will still go on without you. (Thats not actually expressed at any reader)
Your guess is as good as any other nutjob, since theres no way to know for sure.

Are you suggesting that the year 2012 in the Mayan calendar represents the "end of the world as nigh"?

I'm suggesting that people pick dates and times all the time and those particular dates and times are now in the past, which means the world continues on. Why they pick those dates, I couldn't tell you. Perhaps they watched "The Terminator" or some equally apocolyptic film that has some year set in the future when things are suppose to happen and they've just subconciously taken that date in.

Yeah, I hear those Mayans were huge Arnold fans :D

Well the Mayans could of been seriously concerned with Drowt, famine, pestilance, climate changes, you name it.

Maybe.