Here's a song from one of the most intelligent men in music history. This should lay to rest any notion that rap isn't the most complex literary art, ever created.

Artist Canibus

www.micclub.net

Song Master Thesis

Album Micclub the Cirriculum


Master Thesis

This is the master thesis, underneath the deepness,
Come to MicClub dot net where you can read this,
Run a plot on the map in hyperspatia,
From the Society for Scientific Exploration,
Color is vibration, vibration is sound,
Sound resonates thru the mouth - check it out,
what I say vibrates no less than 9 ways,
South, South-East, West, South-West, East,
North, North-East, North-West.


And black and white images fade to gray sound waves,
Trap my adversaries like a mouse in a maze,
With a bewildering array of lyrical display,
The best of Bis, orbitally rearranged,
Monoatomic elements with adept intelligence,
The highest professorship, my English etiquette,
Compels me to not say it if I can't spell it bitch.


My circularized third eye sees all.
Atlantis was surrounded by four seawalls,
I read one-fourth of the Library of Alexandria,
Before it was burnt to the floor,
I wish I could've learned more,
About the shapes of the sacred geometry they used to draw,
They were new millennium but Euclidian in form,
Ancient in many ways but not nearly as old.


Carved from Egyptian gold molded in Assyria,
With processed beryllium by the quintillion,
They cooked on symmetrical stoves with my logo,
Etched above the hole where they inserted the coal,
And they barbequed birds to the bone,
And they burned incense in a Buckminster Fuller type dome...
I talked to Mr. Fuller over the phone,
And he said he had a contract to rebuild Rome,
He said he didn't wanna' do it alone,
I told' em I was busy writin' poems but I'd think about goin',

The process was slow and the dough was low
But I took it as the perfect opportunity to grow,
Plus I had never traveled that far from home,
But I heard about the beauty of Cydonian snow,
Neon-green grass,
Statues made from translucent glass,
I'd be crazy to pass,
I like Altarian Jazz, the blue twilight band
That plays tunes from a laser black sax,
It sounds so laid back, it helps me relax,
I bought the album after seeing K-PAX,
Oh how I miss my nautilus,
I was told pharyngoamygdalitis did not exist,
You have a modest case of scaphocephalous,
I'll prescribe some neo-gothic antibiotics,
With words concocted from the lyrical locksmith,
Deadly as 10 droplets of Ricin Toxin,
From every angle the competition gets boxed in,
As Dr. "C" indoctrinates his doctrine,
Translate the English alphabet to the omega text,
life is now but death is next,
Post bond out on bail from the belly of hell,
Communicate thru diatonic and pentatonic scales,
These darkside tales might affect sales,
I'll set sail hunt down erect sperm whales,
Use the aphrodisiac to get a female called ginger tie her up and drink her gingerale.


Grand Marnier for me - scotch on the rocks for you,
Your vocab is smaller than a cockatoos,
In the studio with James Lipton reminiscing
About the script that was written before the beginning,
All of a sudden the boos turn to applause,
My jaws stronger than a Kenenday Macaw’s,
Can't even count the bars I've expended so far,
I don't wanna' rap no more it's been sooo long,
I wish the clock would hurry up and tick,
I'm out in the bush and the sticks humpin' 100 klicks,
Dr. Scholls gave me a good fit,
Me and him went to school together back in 86,
When I was really ill,
Puttin' Planck energy in a rhyme the size of a tylenol pill,
You wanna' laugh now? and cast your belligerent doubt?
I show you what poetry's really about,
The side effects'll make you pass out
Followed by skin rash itching diarrhea nausea and dry mouth,
You want a time out? you better spit a rhyme out,
Before the community of real MC's die out,
College Students say to me "You ain't smart",
Record label A&Rs say "This ain't art",
These are the contents of the Covenant of the Ark,
Listen to my chest beat tell me this ain't heart,
You gotta be as obsequious as the disciples of Jesus,
This my Master Thesis

Canibus is ill, but there are alot better and complex.
People that say rap is ignorant are just depresed anti-social losers. There are alot of nice complex artists.

Dude Here Are Just a Few Sick Lyrics From Technique ;
"using numerology to count the people I sent to heaven produces more digits than twenty-two divided by seven.."

"Give me a hundred grand, give me your watch, give me your chain.
That's your girl? Bitch, get over here and give me some brain.
I'll bust off on her face and right after the segment,
She'll probably rub it in her pussy, trying to get herself pregnant.
I said it, I meant it, that's the way I deal with enemies,
Like pro-lifers that support the death penalty,
And don't talk about war when niggers know that you pussy,
A fucking hypocrite, draft-dodger like George Bush."
-Immortal Technique in Obnoxious[/quote[

[quote]"If you go platinum it's got nothin to do with luck | It just means that a million people are stupid as fuck"

"Devils used to be gods, angels that fell from the top
there's no diversity because we're burning in the melting pot

I'm falling and I can't turn back

he turned away from the woman that had once given him birth
and crying out to the sky cause he was lonely and scared
but only the devil responded, cause god wasn't there
and right then he knew what it was to be empty and cold
and so he jumped off the roof and died with no soul

so when the devil wants to dance with you, you better say never
because the dance with the devil might last you forever"

""The things ive seen in life would make you choke by surprise/like an aborted fetus in a jar that opens its eyes"-Internally Bleeding

"It's like Cambodia the killing fields uptown
We live in distress and hang the flag upside down
The sound of conservative politicians on television
People in the hood are blind so they tell us to listen
They vote for us to go to war instantly
But none of their kids serving the infantry
The odds are stacked against us like a casino
Think about it, most of the army is black and latino
And if you can't acknowledge the reality of my words
You just another stupid mother fucker out on the curb
Trying to escape from the ghetto with your ignorant ways
But you can't read history at an illiterate stage
And you can't raise a family on minimum wage
Why the fuck you think most of us are locked in a cage
I give niggaz the truth, cause they pride is indigent
You better off rich and guilty than poor and innocent
But I'm sick of feeling impotent watching the world burn
In the era of apocalypse waiting my turn
I'm a Harlem nigga that's concerned with the future
And if your in my way it'd be an honor to shoot ya
Up root ya with the evil that grows in my people
Making them deceitful, cannibalistic and lethal
But I see through the mentality implanted in us
And I educate my fam about who we should trust"
-Harlem Streets

Man I Could Go All Fucking Day With Technique & Jedi Mind Tricks, Etc. There Dope.

Listen to ; Immortal Technique, Chino XL, Mf Doom, Rakim, Rass Kass, Mos Def, Diabolik, Remedy, Cyne, Jedi Mind Tricks, Slug, Classified, Atmosphere, Termanalogy, Skyzoo, Etc. I Could Go On & On But You Know Where I'm Getting At.

fuck. all rap sucks guys. realise that one day. all the same = pimp, hoe, how ghetto they r wen they realli live in malibu, riches (teeth, bling) and how big their dick is and how the own the world. all the same

Um, sure kid.

Groups like nwa are from malibu - all rappers just talk about how they are ghetto when there really not, whatever. The fact is gangsta rap originated from california, back than california was infamous for a corrupted police force, gangs and constant murder. Do you wan't there lyrics to be the same as - let's say Blink 182's ?

What do you know anyways, your fourteen years old - your parents bought you your computer and every other device in your lifestyle. Rap is the most popular genre of music for a reason - spiteful little anti-social bastards that can't spell can only talk this mess in the safety and comfort of there computer. I'd rather have 'bling, bling' than let's say spikes in there wrist/necks, what does rappers spending money in jewerly have to do with there music. Alot of girls are hoes & I havent heard any rapper who talks about there penis yet so I don't know where your going with that.

You say "Fuck, all rap sucks guys, realise that one day" - sure, I mean - it's just the most popular form of music which is influencing almost everything around you.

rap is a modern mistral show. most rappers are caricature of black America, perpetuating stereotypes. moreover, singing about a eclectic mix of complicated things does not sound sincere at all. if a rapper did a remix of sounds of silence or if I could save time in a bottle it would make me feel much better about the medium. on the other hand, I like rap music, I just don't like what it represents.

What do you know anyways, your fourteen years old - your parents bought you your computer and every other device in your lifestyle. Rap is the most popular genre of music for a reason - spiteful little anti-social bastards that can't spell can only talk this mess in the safety and comfort of there computer.

:D I become totally amused by things like the quote above. Someone who is pouncing on someone else about their spelling - when they obviously don't know simple things themselves. Like the difference between "your" and "you're" and "there" and their."

Talk about putting their own illiteracy on display for EVERYONE to see! :D

Throwing around a bunch of big words that don't even go together to from any point is not a complex literary art-it is somebody stupid that got a dictionary for Christmas. Those lyrics have no point. As for the other mentioned lyrics, what is so complex about some guy talking about screwing your girlfriend and taking your money? It is rap like this exactly that gives it such a bad name. Listen to something really complex, like "Another Brick in the Wall".

I become totally amused by things like the quote above. Someone who is pouncing on someone else about their spelling - when they obviously don't know simple things themselves. Like the difference between "your" and "you're" and "there" and their."

Talk about putting their own illiteracy on display for EVERYONE to see!

What amuses me - is when im 'pouncing' on a kid for his spelling mistakes and a random anal-fisting fucktard quotes me & points out a word that is misused or me forgetting the huge grammar error between "your" and "you're" - that is like me pointing out the comma after the period in "their" in your very own response.

Arguibus refrences to bitches/stealing - fuck, man I love that shit, your trying to be too idealistic and literal - you obviously put the complexity and wordplay to the side and focused on the set-ups of the verse. I sincerely doubt "Another Brick in the Wall" is more complex than any song from any real underground artist. They spit metaphors/similies/wordplay/punch-lines, etc. on a beat with flow & delivery.

I sincerely doubt "Another Brick in the Wall" is more complex than any song from any real underground artist. They spit metaphors/similies/wordplay/punch-lines, etc. on a beat with flow & delivery.
you're right in saying that "another brick in the wall" is not very complex (relatively). it was a poor example. however, you cannot say that rap is more complex in its meaning than any other genre. that is simply false. do you listen to any tool? that is probably on the high end of complexity.

I have no problem with rap, I like it. however, I understand that it has little artistic value (relative to other genres).

What amuses me - is when im 'pouncing' on a kid for his spelling mistakes and a random anal-fisting fucktard quotes me & points out a word that is misused or me forgetting the huge grammar error between "your" and "you're" - that is like me pointing out the comma after the period in "their" in your very own response.

:D Evidently it's not only your grammer / spelling / and attention to detail that needs help. You must need glasses as well. There is no comma after a period anywhere in my response. (Perhaps you need to clean your monitor screen more often?)

Has anyone ever noticed how alot of rap sounds exactly alike? and all the videos are the same too.... Like, its a guy in a giant fur coat, with shiny teeth.... and a big chain. oh and smoke comes rolling out of the mouth at some point in every video.

I actually find rap videos very, very, very funny despite them trying to be very serious. Its so hard not to laugh.

Later
T

You know, i left these forums about 6 months ago to a page of threads in here about how rap sucked/was ace. I come back............. see youve all been busy :/

Why is everything so white? Is it me, or are the macs invading?

Here's a song that was done over 35 years ago, talk about complexity. I really don't think rap has much to say other than trying to promote bad shit happening to others and violence, sex drugs and fear. If that is all rap is about it isn't worth my time to listen to it, which I don't.

This song is called Alice's Restaurant, and it's about Alice, and the
restaurant, but Alice's Restaurant is not the name of the restaurant,
that's just the name of the song, and that's why I called the song Alice's
Restaurant.

You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant
You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant

Now it all started two Thanksgivings ago, was on - two years ago on
Thanksgiving, when my friend and I went up to visit Alice at the
restaurant, but Alice doesn't live in the restaurant, she lives in the
church nearby the restaurant, in the bell-tower, with her husband Ray and
Fasha the dog. And livin' in the bell tower like that, they got a lot of
room downstairs where the pews used to be in. Havin' all that room,
seein' as how they took out all the pews, they decided that they didn't
have to take out their garbage for a long time.

We got up there, we found all the garbage in there, and we decided it'd be
a friendly gesture for us to take the garbage down to the city dump. So
we took the half a ton of garbage, put it in the back of a red VW
microbus, took shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed
on toward the city dump.

Well we got there and there was a big sign and a chain across across the
dump saying, "Closed on Thanksgiving." And we had never heard of a dump
closed on Thanksgiving before, and with tears in our eyes we drove off
into the sunset looking for another place to put the garbage.

We didn't find one. Until we came to a side road, and off the side of the
side road there was another fifteen foot cliff and at the bottom of the
cliff there was another pile of garbage. And we decided that one big pile
is better than two little piles, and rather than bring that one up we
decided to throw our's down.

That's what we did, and drove back to the church, had a thanksgiving
dinner that couldn't be beat, went to sleep and didn't get up until the
next morning, when we got a phone call from officer Obie. He said, "Kid,
we found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of
garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it." And
I said, "Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope
under that garbage."

After speaking to Obie for about fourty-five minutes on the telephone we
finally arrived at the truth of the matter and said that we had to go down
and pick up the garbage, and also had to go down and speak to him at the
police officer's station. So we got in the red VW microbus with the
shovels and rakes and implements of destruction and headed on toward the
police officer's station.

Now friends, there was only one or two things that Obie coulda done at
the police station, and the first was he could have given us a medal for
being so brave and honest on the telephone, which wasn't very likely, and
we didn't expect it, and the other thing was he could have bawled us out
and told us never to be see driving garbage around the vicinity again,
which is what we expected, but when we got to the police officer's station
there was a third possibility that we hadn't even counted upon, and we was
both immediately arrested. Handcuffed. And I said "Obie, I don't think I
can pick up the garbage with these handcuffs on." He said, "Shut up, kid.
Get in the back of the patrol car."

And that's what we did, sat in the back of the patrol car and drove to the
quote Scene of the Crime unquote. I want tell you about the town of
Stockbridge, Massachusets, where this happened here, they got three stop
signs, two police officers, and one police car, but when we got to the
Scene of the Crime there was five police officers and three police cars,
being the biggest crime of the last fifty years, and everybody wanted to
get in the newspaper story about it. And they was using up all kinds of
cop equipment that they had hanging around the police officer's station.
They was taking plaster tire tracks, foot prints, dog smelling prints, and
they took twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy photographs with circles
and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each
one was to be used as evidence against us. Took pictures of the approach,
the getaway, the northwest corner the southwest corner and that's not to
mention the aerial photography.

After the ordeal, we went back to the jail. Obie said he was going to put
us in the cell. Said, "Kid, I'm going to put you in the cell, I want your
wallet and your belt." And I said, "Obie, I can understand you wanting my
wallet so I don't have any money to spend in the cell, but what do you
want my belt for?" And he said, "Kid, we don't want any hangings." I
said, "Obie, did you think I was going to hang myself for littering?"
Obie said he was making sure, and friends Obie was, cause he took out the
toilet seat so I couldn't hit myself over the head and drown, and he took
out the toilet paper so I couldn't bend the bars roll out the - roll the
toilet paper out the window, slide down the roll and have an escape. Obie
was making sure, and it was about four or five hours later that Alice
(remember Alice? It's a song about Alice), Alice came by and with a few
nasty words to Obie on the side, bailed us out of jail, and we went back
to the church, had a another thanksgiving dinner that couldn't be beat,
and didn't get up until the next morning, when we all had to go to court.

We walked in, sat down, Obie came in with the twenty seven eight-by-ten
colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back
of each one, sat down. Man came in said, "All rise." We all stood up,
and Obie stood up with the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy
pictures, and the judge walked in sat down with a seeing eye dog, and he
sat down, we sat down. Obie looked at the seeing eye dog, and then at the
twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles and arrows
and a paragraph on the back of each one, and looked at the seeing eye dog.
And then at twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy pictures with circles
and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one and began to cry,
'cause Obie came to the realization that it was a typical case of American
blind justice, and there wasn't nothing he could do about it, and the
judge wasn't going to look at the twenty seven eight-by-ten colour glossy
pictures with the circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each
one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us. And
we was fined $50 and had to pick up the garbage in the snow, but thats not
what I came to tell you about.

Came to talk about the draft.

They got a building down New York City, it's called Whitehall Street,
where you walk in, you get injected, inspected, detected, infected,
neglected and selected. I went down to get my physical examination one
day, and I walked in, I sat down, got good and drunk the night before, so
I looked and felt my best when I went in that morning. `Cause I wanted to
look like the all-American kid from New York City, man I wanted, I wanted
to feel like the all-, I wanted to be the all American kid from New York,
and I walked in, sat down, I was hung down, brung down, hung up, and all
kinds o' mean nasty ugly things. And I waked in and sat down and they gave
me a piece of paper, said, "Kid, see the phsychiatrist, room 604."

And I went up there, I said, "Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL." And I started jumpin up and down yelling, "KILL, KILL," and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, "KILL, KILL." And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, "You're our boy."

Didn't feel too good about it.

Proceeded on down the hall gettin more injections, inspections,
detections, neglections and all kinds of stuff that they was doin' to me
at the thing there, and I was there for two hours, three hours, four
hours, I was there for a long time going through all kinds of mean nasty
ugly things and I was just having a tough time there, and they was
inspecting, injecting every single part of me, and they was leaving no
part untouched. Proceeded through, and when I finally came to the see the
last man, I walked in, walked in sat down after a whole big thing there,
and I walked up and said, "What do you want?" He said, "Kid, we only got
one question. Have you ever been arrested?"

And I proceeded to tell him the story of the Alice's Restaurant Massacre,
with full orchestration and five part harmony and stuff like that and all
the phenome... - and he stopped me right there and said, "Kid, did you ever
go to court?"

And I proceeded to tell him the story of the twenty seven eight-by-ten
colour glossy pictures with the circles and arrows and the paragraph on
the back of each one, and he stopped me right there and said, "Kid, I want
you to go and sit down on that bench that says Group W .... NOW kid!!"

And I, I walked over to the, to the bench there, and there is, Group W's
where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army after
committing your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty ugly
looking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Father
rapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me! And
they was mean and nasty and ugly and horrible crime-type guys sitting on the
bench next to me. And the meanest, ugliest, nastiest one, the meanest
father raper of them all, was coming over to me and he was mean 'n' ugly
'n' nasty 'n' horrible and all kind of things and he sat down next to me
and said, "Kid, whad'ya get?" I said, "I didn't get nothing, I had to pay
$50 and pick up the garbage." He said, "What were you arrested for, kid?"
And I said, "Littering." And they all moved away from me on the bench
there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I
said, "And creating a nuisance." And they all came back, shook my hand,
and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing,
father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the
bench. And everything was fine, we was smoking cigarettes and all kinds of
things, until the Sargeant came over, had some paper in his hand, held it
up and said.

"Kids, this-piece-of-paper's-got-47-words-37-sentences-58-words-we-wanna-
know-details-of-the-crime-time-of-the-crime-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-
you-gotta-say-pertaining-to-and-about-the-crime-I-want-to-know-arresting-
officer's-name-and-any-other-kind-of-thing-you-gotta-say", and talked for
forty-five minutes and nobody understood a word that he said, but we had
fun filling out the forms and playing with the pencils on the bench there,
and I filled out the massacre with the four part harmony, and wrote it
down there, just like it was, and everything was fine and I put down the
pencil, and I turned over the piece of paper, and there, there on the
other side, in the middle of the other side, away from everything else on
the other side, in parentheses, capital letters, quotated, read the
following words:

("KID, HAVE YOU REHABILITATED YOURSELF?")

I went over to the sargent, said, "Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to
ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I mean that just, I'm
sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench
'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army, burn women,
kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug." He looked at me and
said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send you fingerprints
off to Washington."

And friends, somewhere in Washington enshrined in some little folder, is a
study in black and white of my fingerprints. And the only reason I'm
singing you this song now is cause you may know somebody in a similar
situation, or you may be in a similar situation, and if your in a
situation like that there's only one thing you can do and that's walk into
the shrink wherever you are ,just walk in say "Shrink, You can get
anything you want, at Alice's restaurant.". And walk out. You know, if
one person, just one person does it they may think he's really sick and
they won't take him. And if two people, two people do it, in harmony,
they may think they're both faggots and they won't take either of them.
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and walking out. They may think it's an
organization. And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said
fifty people a day walking in singin a bar of Alice's Restaurant and
walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

And that's what it is , the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacre Movement, and
all you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the
guitar.

With feeling. So we'll wait for it to come around on the guitar, here and
sing it when it does. Here it comes.

You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant

That was horrible. If you want to end war and stuff you got to sing loud.
I've been singing this song now for twenty five minutes. I could sing it
for another twenty five minutes. I'm not proud... or tired.

So we'll wait till it comes around again, and this time with four part
harmony and feeling.

We're just waitin' for it to come around is what we're doing.

All right now.

You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Excepting Alice
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant
Walk right in it's around the back
Just a half a mile from the railroad track
You can get anything you want, at Alice's Restaurant

Da da da da da da da dum
At Alice's Restaurant

©1966,1967 (Renewed) by Appleseed Music Inc. All Rights Reserved.


Also, be sure to visit: A Tribute to Officer Obie!

What The Fuck.....

There Is A Comma After A Period In That Response Light But Whatever It Doesen't Matter...Your Attempt At Pointing Out a Ironic Response Failed.

Anyways To The Dude That Said Rap Is Repetitive...

Rap Doesen't Only Talk About Drugs, Bitches, Etc. That's Like Me Assuming Rock Only Talks About Satan. There Is Consciense Rap, Political Rap, Etc.

"Another Brick in the Wall" has a very complex meaning which is put in a form that can easily be understood. It uses simple lyrics and a heavy mood to attack society's wrongs. Combined with the rest of the music from The Wall it has an incredibly deep meaning. If you still can't see this, look at "American Pie" by Don McLean. That song is incredibly deep.

Also, I while some rap I will agree is not about the ghetto experience, it is that kind that you were advocating was so incredibly complex. And, since you say I'm too idealistic, I say you have no care for others. Obviously you have never been victimized by someone like this, or at least not enough. Maybe if someone rapes your girlfriend or kills your grandmother while running from cops you will see why I'm so idealistic.

Here's the facts, Rap outsells any other music genre period. It reaches the most diverse group of people period. You can hate on rap all you want, it's the number one muscial genere in the world.

Here's the facts, Rap outsells any other music genre period. It reaches the most diverse group of people period. You can hate on rap all you want, it's the number one muscial genere in the world.

, Rap outsells any other music genre period
what you mean eminem? MM isn't rap by any stretch of the imagination, but rather hip-pop


It reaches the most diverse group of people period.
no, just white, middle class kids

You can hate on rap all you want, it's the number one muscial genere in the world.

Since crap is king, that would stand to reason.

btw - the lyrics to that song are some of the worst I've ever read. Infantile at best.

Oh look, I can read the user guide of a drum machine. Hit the start button and talk gibberish into a microphone.

Finally Some semblance.

So much rap hate in this forum. :m:

Here's a song from one of the most intelligent men in music history (Canibus.)

Really? Let's check out some of his other lyrics from the website and see what intelligence wrought in rap, or is it the other way round? I never could tell.

Ya'll niggaz eat pussy and burp,
The other half of ya'll suck dick till ya' jaws and ya' neck hurt

Niggaz probably be like what the phuk he dissin' him for?

I'm one of the top 5 nigga, my shit is tight nigga,
You heard it right nigga, I rock mics nigga

Yeah, he's geniousness and geniousity made flesh.

People like outlandish hate rap becuase they're uncordinated bafoons who lack rhythm. There's so much hate for Rap because it's done by Black Men. That's why you have a multitude of white men (who can't dance) continually bash rap. White Girls like to dance to Rap music, and the ones who can't dance feel so in-adequate the only they can do is hate it. Rap/Hip-Hop is the same fucking thing Einstein.

Rap music dominates the music awards and grammys year after year. Get use to it, because it's only growing.

Really? Let's check out some of his other lyrics from the website and see what intelligence wrought in rap, or is it the other way round? I never could tell

Here's how you can tell. His first album sold over a million copies. How many albums have you sold? He worked as computer analyst for the DOD before joining the army and being deployed to Iraq, and he made it back alive. Can you say the same thing?

You're ignorant, you picked the most simplistic versus you could find. How come you didn't see this verse.

"My epithilia Genetic Fiber, was forged in a protoplasmic fire in a black geyser"

But this is why the music you listen to fails to dominate the music charts. Because it only reaches one segment of the population. While rap reaches all segments of the population.

While rap reaches all segments of the population.
So does religion, kiddo. Opiate of the motherfucking masses.

Relax.

You know, speaking of dance music, Happy Hardcore has got to be the most popular. And you know what? It sucks. It's got a bass-beat, a melody, and it's mildly catchy. And they pump it out, no problem. Easy to make.

Here's how you can tell. His first album sold over a million copies. How many albums have you sold?

None, so what? There are another million people who couldn't tell good music from bad if their lives depended on it. Actually, there are millions.

He worked as computer analyst for the DOD before joining the army and being deployed to Iraq, and he made it back alive. Can you say the same thing?

Again, so what? Did his tour of duty in Iraq some how make him a good songwriter? No.

There's so much hate for Rap because it's done by Black Men.

Pathetically weak argument. I have dozens of black artists in my collection, because they produce quality music, just like the other artists in my collection.

YOU are racist.

That's why you have a multitude of white men (who can't dance) continually bash rap. White Girls like to dance to Rap music, and the ones who can't dance feel so in-adequate the only they can do is hate it.

More incredibly stupid remarks. Did your intelligence spawn from rap? It shows.

Rap music dominates the music awards and grammys year after year. Get use to it, because it's only growing

Yeah, like I said, crap is king. And rap will be just another childish fad soon to be forgotten.

You're ignorant, you picked the most simplistic versus you could find. How come you didn't see tahis verse.

"My epithilia Genetic Fiber, was forged in a protoplasmic fire in a black geyser"

You don't get it, do you? ALL the lyrics are equally bad. This gut cannot write, that is a fact.

But this is why the music you listen to fails to dominate the music charts. Because it only reaches one segment of the population. While rap reaches all segments of the population.

Most likely the reason why you're SO wrong with that statement is that you have incredibly bad taste in music and probably don't listen to anything else.

Your arguments are straw men that do not support your argument. Listening to rap music has addled your brain, yo!

I'm not impressed by any lyrics out of rap. Then again, almost all of rock and popular culture as well does not impress me. Rap is just the simplest version of popular culture, and even if it were Nordic I'd think it was untermenschisch.

There has been no proof as of yet that has shown rap is more complex than any other literary form. With this in perspective, I guess any arguments are pointless until some other "proof" is presented.

Another pathetic thread against rap music.
People that know nothing try and try to say alot against rap.
But all in all, the only crap around here is their own ignorance.

Another pathetic thread against rap music.
People that know nothing try and try to say alot against rap.
But all in all, the only crap around here is their own ignorance.

Another pathetic post against those who dislike rap for there own reasons with no purpose behind it and no argument supported.

Listen to something really complex, like "Another Brick in the Wall".

LOL

If you think Pink Floyd is really deep, or complicated or something...

well, that's funny to me.

How come people keep attacking rap for not being complex enough? If I want my music to be complex, I'll go listen to baroque music or something. Bringing complexity to an argument about popular music is just a joke.

"Another Brick in the Wall" has a very complex meaning which is put in a form that can easily be understood. It uses simple lyrics and a heavy mood to attack society's wrongs. Combined with the rest of the music from The Wall it has an incredibly deep meaning. If you still can't see this, look at "American Pie" by Don McLean. That song is incredibly deep.

Also, I while some rap I will agree is not about the ghetto experience, it is that kind that you were advocating was so incredibly complex. And, since you say I'm too idealistic, I say you have no care for others. Obviously you have never been victimized by someone like this, or at least not enough. Maybe if someone rapes your girlfriend or kills your grandmother while running from cops you will see why I'm so idealistic.

Man, Arqy, you are on a roll. You're holding up "American Pie" as a an example of music that is incredibly deep? What are you, fourteen?

And I'm sorry to hear about your girlfriend and grandmother. But maybe your grandmother shouldn't have been running from the police in the first place.

But maybe your grandmother shouldn't have been running from the police in the first place.
Your comprehension is a little off. He meant that the person who killed his grandmother (in a fictional situation or otherwise) was running from the police, not that his grandma was on the run.

The complexity of music is found in its meaning, the message it sends. How many Rap artists write songs with deep meanings, like the decline of good music or the total degradation of mankind? Answer:Very few, and the most severly lacking is what is popular. Come on. You can't tell me Pink Floyd or Don McLean didn't have deep music, as well as so many other decent artists. "Paint It, Black" and "Ruby Tuesday" by the Rolling Stones, "Eleanor Rigby" by the Beatles, and "Fortunate Son" by CCR are a couple more, but there are far far more than that.

blackrain, sorry, but that song isnt good.
dont get me wrong, im not saying it's bad either.
i dont feel any desire to find that song and listen to it now, but i doubt it would be painful to listen to

"How come people keep attacking rap for not being complex enough? If I want my music to be complex, I'll go listen to baroque music or something. Bringing complexity to an argument about popular music is just a joke."

jazz, classical, funk, blues have all been, or are incredibly popular, and they are so complex compared to rap that it isn't even fair to compare them

so, out of curiousity. what draws you to rap over baroque?

Idle Mind: Yeah, no sh*t.

Arquibus: No offense, but I always thought that Pink FLoyd was pretty shallow. I actually like them a lot, but the lyrics (which seems to be where you are deriving the "meaning" you are talking about) have always been a sore point for me. But point taken, a lot of hip hop lyrics seem to be intentionally ignorant and hedonistic. This is just a theory, but I think that's because that is what sells, especially to white people. Even old gangsta rap isn't as bad as today's in that respect. Tracks like Ice Cube's "Dead Homiez" were lyrically brilliant potrayals of inner city life. Today's G-Unit stuff is a result of artists consciously escalating the gangster image and selling it back to the next generation so that it just gets more and more ludricrous, until 50 Cent is rapping about firing night-vision enhanced bazookas or whatever. I'm not crazy about the lyrics, but hip-hop songs offer a lot more than that. A bunch of great Beatles songs have lyrics that are just bland love songs.

Alain: I think that we are using different definitions of "pop music." The definition I was using was the genre definition, which is characterized by simple catchy melodies with mass appeal. Music, in my mind, can be "popular" without being "pop." If pop music becomes complicated it loses that appeal and becomes something else. That's why I said that complexity is not a legitimate criticism to level at pop music, as its simplicity is its strength.

And as for why rap over baroque, I dunno. Rap just seems more vital than baroque, which can sound mechanized to me.

Another pathetic post against those who dislike rap for there own reasons with no purpose behind it and no argument supported.
Another idiot tries and tries, but cannot comprehend. This is not a fad. This is the future. Live in the past because you are a primitive minded moron.

cool skill, this was a thread praising rap, not "Another pathetic thread against rap music"

rap is not the future, i suppose it is fair enough to say that it is the present, but, tastes constantly change. your children will refuse to listen to the same music as you. they will like something completely different.

i have a respect for good rap, rap that is actually modern-day poetry. I don't listen to it often, no more than i purposely go to museums to look at paintings, but i respect it as art.

But there is "pop" rap that's... stupid. I'm sure everyone can name at least a few examples. P.I.M.P. tops the list.

Another idiot tries and tries, but cannot comprehend. This is not a fad. This is the future. Live in the past because you are a primitive minded moron.

Idiocy, if you feel the need to harrass the people behind their opinions personally, then you're the only primitive minded moron, still living back in the dark ages with rocks and ****ing sticks.

I'm not saying that all rap is crap but frankly rap sets a bad standard as your 'most complex literary art'..
Nothing lasts forever, another type of music may rise up and take over. So just enjoy what you have and let people think what they think.

i agree, disco was supposed to be the music of the future in it's day :)

wonder how classical stays alove though...

Let me say something unbiased in any way. The message in music is made of what you can find within it. The fact is music can only direct you towards certain things, it cannot control where you go. Now for the bias. Where has mainstream rap ever taken anybody? I know there are rap songs that are good and do have some kind of point, but they are few and far between in popular settings. I believe they are more apt underground. In the meantime, rock songs have a large amount of meaningful lyrics from many different artists. Indeed, an artist can pump out many pointless, bleeting songs that are so similar, like the "silly" as Paul McArtney put it, love songs. But the Beatles were also responsible for several meaningful songs, most particularly "Eleanor Rigby", which is a song that illustrates the way people generally don't give a crap. The Rolling Stones had a great deal of pointless songs, but songs like "Paint It, Black" and "Ruby Tuesday" shine through as messages to the people. Credence Clearwater Revival did a lot of feel-good songs that had no purpose, but "Fortunate Son" was flashlight and mirror handed to various well-off people in the USA. Pink Floyd is a bit odd and seems almost too psychedelic to be for real, but the dehumanization presented in the whole of the album "The Wall" was a warning to us all, on par with that of books like Nineteen Eighty-Four or Farenheit 451. Even a screaming metal death-trap like "Iron Man" by Black Sabbath has a little symbolism warning visible, but it was probably unintended. Rap just generally doesn't work the same.

Arqy, I'm having some trouble understanding you. I'm going to write out my understanding of your post and then respond once you let me know if I'm hearing you right.

1. You seem to start by saying that music contains messages, and these messages affect our behaviour. Rap music, for the most part, has no "point" and does not "take" people anywhere.

2. Next, you say that rock music has many artists who have messages that "shine through" to "the people," like that they "generally don't give a crap." CCR made songs that "had no purpose," but they made "Fortunate Son," which had a poltical message, which served a purpose.

3. "The Wall" is on par with 1984.

4. "Iron Man" has unintended symbolism (what doesn't these days, eh?).

5. "Rap just generally doesn't work the same," meaning that rap music does not normally carry societal (Eleanor Rigby), political (Fortunate Son), or symbolic (Iron Man) meaning.

Is this an accurate paraphrase?

Pretty much. I'm not saying that some rap might not have a point, nor am I saying that all rock does. My first statement basically means music is whatever you can take out of it. My thoughts are people should listen to whatever they like, but they should consider what they get out of it. My biggest problems with rap are 1-Most of it (at least mainstream) is about the same thing and 2-a great deal of rap listeners, the most vocal ones in particular, try to force their music on others. Then, you get a thread like this with an empty argument, and it all falls apart. I have respect for certain rappers, on par with my respect for any other person. However, that does not mean I like or would listen to their music.

Oh, and sorry about me confusing you. I have a very odd manner of speaking and arguing sometimes. My teachers get particularly mad when I write essays...

um, oddly enough, I completely agree, with one tinsy change. That's the problem with all popular music.

Listen to the Blues. That way you can hate rap as much as you want to and people can't say you're racist.

And its good stuff, The Blues. Really. And by the way, music is not poetry. It affects on a different, some would say more basic, level than poetry does. So the words as such don't have to appear so mysteriously complex on paper if they can sound really powerful if actually sung.

Which is why John Lee Hooker's lyrics don't look as if they were written by Joyce. But hearing him sing is a delight.

I do listen to blues, actually. Not a whole lot, mind you, there are no blues stations around here, but my classic rock station plays some. Funk and soul are also more dominated by black, and I like those styles. However, I must say that music is a form of poetry, a different genre with different style, but still poetry. And to Koolz, I would agree that a great deal of modern music has no point, not just rap. But I can point out some modern rock bands, like Shinedown, Alter Bridge (ugh) and Three Doors Down that have written some meaningful stuff. Even System of a Down, which is my favorite modern band, has some meaningful lyrics. But I greatly prefer classic stuff anyway. The old bands and soloists, the Rolling Stones, the Beatles, Don McLean, Elvis Presley, Jim Crocce, etc., were full of meaning. And then there was James Brown. He's got soul...

Sorry, but rap has changed music for good. It has given a whole new dimension to music as a whole. Rap is great.

I listened to rap for about 2 minutes and thought it was crap. I enjoy R&B, Blues, Jazz, Rock, Country, Easy listening, Classical and New Age to name a few so my listening enjoyment is very well rounded. I just can't enjoy Rap for it drives me crazy listening to , mostly, bad language, bad lyrics, no real beat and nothing that contributes to the betterment of music in general.

Wow 2 whole minutes. I bet if it was made by whites, you would have been all into it. Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

Rap sucks, is not music, and will be discarded very soon.

You know what I really hate? People that like rap that think everyone that doesn't is a racist. It seems that the ones that are so obsessed with blaming everyone else are the ones who are really racist. Right Cool Skill?

Everybody: Lower your blood pressure and just ignore Coolskill. Worked for me.

Wow 2 whole minutes. I bet if it was made by whites, you would have been all into it. Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!


That's all I need to tell the difference between good and bad music to me. It was a white group , eminem, that I listened to.

Send all rappers to New Orleans while its still under water!!!

rap has changed music for good. It has given a whole new dimension to music as a whole.

So, how is expressing oneself while rhyming on a beat a whole new dimension and how has that changed music for good?

Perhaps, by change, you mean that uneducated, talentless bums can be successful on the commercial market?

Nah, that hasn't changed.

It has nothing to do with being successful on the commercial market.
Rap is a new dimension to music as a whole. It's a great new art form that has impacted the face of music period.
To think that rap is ignorant is simply ignorant.

To think that others are ignorant is ignorant. Also, never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. Anyway, it isn't so much that many of us true musically inclined people think that rap is ignorant so much that we think rappers are ignorant and that you are. After all, no evidence to support your arguments, blatanly attacking with no aim towards anyone that displays any like of rock over rap. Wow, making arguments with no evidence, talk about ignorance. But I would certainly not insinuate you are ignorant Cool Skill.

I still think rap is different from the rest of music. However, from the results of the poll that I posted up somewhere else, I feel that it might actually be a genre of music although it's generally (perhaps essentially) non-tonal in nature. This goes the same for drum solos and the like.

All genres of music can be very interesting. Insulting an entire genre of music can be quite ignorant, notwithstanding the majority norm that it is safe to say that you can hate or dislike a certain genre under the assumption that the statement does not apply to all of the songs or artists thereof.

I do like a few rap songs and artists. But when asked whether or not I listen to rap, I usually reply "no" because I find melodic music more appealling, such as progressive trance.

While it may be true to some extent that a relatively large portion of people who listen to or produce rap may be somewhat uneducated and just plain low, there can also be some meritable rappers or listeners who might not deserve these labels.

Well first of all I just am curious as to how many people here actually live in a poor decrepit demograph? Second of all i would like to point out (as many others have tried and done, however due to opinion everyone seems to over look) that there is shitty music and amazing music anywhere? I cant stand Jay Z rapping "i gto 99 problems but a bitch aint one" to me it is idiotic. It's egotistical and pointless (and teh beat sucks to0). But then in other genres you have songs like Electric six's Im teh Bomb in which a pathetic attempt to incinuate love through teh words "baby when im fucking you its like nothing else matter." However Tupac's Dear Moma touches my heart or keep your head up is a great as well. Train is a favorite band amongst all of my music simply because there music has a soft beat and their lyrics are (to my opinion) amazing. No one can claim one music genre to be the the best because they enjoy it. Besides drum and bass OWns ALL! lol

and please pardon the typos

I would agree that no one should assert one genre of music is the greatest, but people that like rap do that all the time (not all of them, mind you, but the loudest generally do) and that is in fact a major reason that I don't like it.

Musical expression is almost like a way of life, the way I see it. I love all genres, but rap is one of my favorites. The best rap comes from those that have lived that struggle, not posing just because it seems cool (*cough* 50 cent *cough, cough*). I never understood the meaning and deepness behind it all until I lived through it. Gang fights, robberies, po-po's (err...cops:)) chasing you all the time, that sh*t(can you curse in this forum?) is rough. Those that survive and rise above are few and far between.
:m:

I never understood the meaning and deepness behind it all until I lived through it. Gang fights, robberies, po-po's (err...cops) chasing you all the time, that sh*t(can you curse in this forum?) is rough. Those that survive and rise above are few and far between.

So, you were/are a criminal? You rose above being a criminal or rose above the law?

See the thing is, its not deep. Shootign someone is nt deep, robbing someone is not deep. Rap is a message to disillusion society and its idyllic values. However that message is either poorly sent or the people that listen to it mistake that for "deepness."

What exactly is deep in meaning about using your less fortunate status as an excuse to take advantage of others, rob and kill people you don't even know, and generally abuse your abilities of survival to make sure others don't. A person that thinks of something like that is deep and manages to get away unscathed is a dreg of society that just has not recieved punishment yet.

If you survived gang fights and all that and want the world to know, why not write a book about it or make a movie of it? Things like poverty and racism and the like are much better demonstrated by things other than music.

The fact that a silly movie like "Scarface" attracts so many rappers demonstrates how primitive most rappers are. Only a degenerate would think of Tony Montana as a role model.

Ok Arqy, it's been a while, so I'm going to repost my paraphrase before I answer.

1. You seem to start by saying that music contains messages, and these messages affect our behaviour. Rap music, for the most part, has no "point" and does not "take" people anywhere.

2. Next, you say that rock music has many artists who have messages that "shine through" to "the people," like that they "generally don't give a crap." CCR made songs that "had no purpose," but they made "Fortunate Son," which had a poltical message, which served a purpose.

3. "The Wall" is on par with 1984.

4. "Iron Man" has unintended symbolism (what doesn't these days, eh?).

5. "Rap just generally doesn't work the same," meaning that rap music does not normally carry societal (Eleanor Rigby), political (Fortunate Son), or symbolic (Iron Man) meaning.

Now I'll respond point by point.

1. I don't feel that music has to have a function. One music is not better than another because of how its "message" effects people. This measurement is entirely subjective although it pretends not to be. And it breaks down after a few seconds thought. What message does Beethoven's 7th carry?

2. I don't think that politically charged songs are inherently superior to songs with no political agenda. I would still like "Fortunate Son" if I couldn't understand English and had no grasp of the politics.

3. Please.

4-5. Hip hop music does carry societal, political, and symbolic meaning. Almost every song does, in any genre. If you want examples of rap with explicit commentary, you can go underground (The Coup, Dead Prez, Immortal Technique, etc) or mainstream (Kanye West "Diamonds of Sierra Leone," Eminem "Mosh," lots of songs by Tupac and Biggie).

Arqy, it seems to me that you just don't like hip hop. That's fine. You seem like you have a pretty open mind, and maybe at some point you'll find something that grabs you, maybe not. But we need to stop acting like something as subjective as musical taste can be argued objectively to the point where an entire genre can be crap. It's just not going to happen.

Actually, Panopticon, remeber that you compared "The Wall" to 1984, I just said that was kind of like what I meant. Onto bigger and better things, I don't think of the entire genre of rap as crap. However, #1 I do not like it and do not like when others (not yourself mind you) try to force it down my throat, and #2 I do not like it when people claim rap is the greatest thing since, well...fire. It irritates me at no end when people get these notions in they're minds, and that is what has sparked my more single-minded assertions. Oh, and on another note, while I would agree that music doesn't have to have a meaning, and that songs can sound nice without one, I am not a major fan of that music. I like the sounds created by music of the old classics, like Beethoven or Mozart, but I don't listen to them often.

Give It Up You Dimwits. Kanye West Has The Number One Album In The Country. He Sold Over 900,000 Copies. End This Fucking Thread For Christs Sakes.

The amount of albums sold has nothing to do with this thread. This thread is for people who "think rap is ignorant" not for people who reject the idea that Hip Hop has a large part in todays pop culture....so unless your going to post something worth reading, dont post again.

to Panopticon I would first like to re-emphasize the truth that is music is a completely subjective topic but I tend to enjoy music with a "function" more than just random songs about...well nothing. Does this mean that music with a funtion is the greatest? Yes, but only to me and others who feel the same. I mean I enjoy classics, Everynow and then I will listen to some Mozart or another Pianist/Composer because I enjoy it. My point is simple, Music cannot be forced on to someone else and therfore arguing about music's...greatness or superiority is pointless...unless...no nm. It just cannot be argued.

i have a very eclectic taste in music

when you listen to different musics, in order to fully appreciate them its like fittin yourself into clothes

example. say you are listening to oold 1930s music. you knw those different singing voices they had....and te subjects are all cheery--some anyway. well just become that, and you'll enjoy it more rathe than judging it for a 'beethoven--orwhatever--is superior' mode of listening
same with flamenco. suddenly let your whole body feel the flamenco. feel the shoots of energy surge through the body at this deeply dramatic music. if yiou block your reponses you are allowing it is full potential to move you

rap to is anote form of musical communication withits own styles....i cant pretend to love the styles which praise guns, bling, homopgh, homophobia and misogny, but not all is like that
with some rap it brings out the sensual devil in me.......the ote day i a alistening to tis track. have forgoten artist and title of tun, but its this rapper rappin over some sampled riff of the late Ray Charles.....SHIIIIT thought i was gonna have an orgasm!!!!!!

rapping when done good is deeply skilled

Kanye West Has The Number One Album In The Country.

Yeah, he beat out Hillary Duff, a monumental talent. But it was only after he said:

"Bush doesn't care about black people..."

You guys are missing the point. The reason why Kanye's sales are significant is that his lyrics cannot be considered "ignorant" by anyone's standards, thus sweeping the legs out from under your argument.

His sales don't necessarily reflect the nature of his lyrics. Most imbeciles purchase rap because it "has a krunk beat". Only those with some sort of intellect would actually take the time to read his lyrics and understand and enjoy them. People praise Kayne as being an exception because the novel spectacle of "intelligent" rap intrigues them, much in the same manner people were intrigued by Eminem. This proves that some rap is not ignorant, but like almost all music in modernity, it is not necessarily intelligent either.

A sample of Kayne's lyrics - intelligent?

What in the fuck was that Kanye
I told you to do some shit for the kids
You can give me your muthafucking graduation ticket right now
You will not walk across that stage, you won’t slide across that stage
A muthafucka can’t pull you across that stage Kanye
Who told you see, I told you to do something up lifting
I’m trynna get you out here with these white people and this how you gone do me
You know what us a nigga
And I don’t mean that in no nice way
Had little kids sing about the shit, the jokes on you
You throw your mutha hands in the air, and wave good-bye to everybody
Cause you getting the fuck out of this campus
Mutha what you gone do now

The music business hate me
Cause the industry ain't make me
Hustlers and boosters embrace me
And the music i be makin
I dumb down for my audience
And double my dollars
They criticize me for it
Yet they all yell "Holla"
If skills sold
Truth be told
I'd probably be
Lyricly
Talib Kweli
Truthfully
I wanna rhyme like Common Sense
(But i did five Mil)
I ain't been rhymin like Common Sense
When your sense got that much in common
And you been hustlin since
Your inception
Fuck perception
Go with what makes sense
Since
I know what i'm up against
We as rappers must decide what's most impor-tant
And i can't help the poor if i'm one of them
So i got rich and gave back
To me that's the win, win
The next time you see the homie and his rims spin
Just know my mind is workin just like them
(The rims that is)



momnet of clarity- jayz
(he doesnt write anything down)

Retarded.

That was...hmm...not worth the time I put into reading it. Next!

MC Frontalot – Braggadocio

Listen, I'll tell you that frontalot is incredible
even recommended to rock the mic like instead of a
silence, you'd have me fronting into the amplifier
point with the thumb, at which mc to admire
i got hi-res images of drum sounds that I loop
you get to listen to them and to me too
how fortunate y'all are to get to bask under my glow
the mc, humble conduit to nerdcore flow

now it's time for a little braggadocio
while I swing my arms like ralph macchio

I stand 77 feet tall, I got eight balls
and all'a'y'all are subject to my thrall
I act appalled when in receipt of less than the highest honor
some day I'll be both revered & passe like madonna
I'm all in effect, people tend to genuflect
when I enter rooms, 'cause all dopeness is subsumed
I spell the doom of the hip-hop subgenre you used to prefer
the geekish rhythm intersection
with the predilections that I've incurred
you say "word?" With a surfeit of beats I'm unlikely to run out
plus I'm so bright it's like redundant to have the sun out
one out of each ten brags is hyperbolic
it's all inconsequential, you're just here to hear my tongue frolic

pistachios ain't that great, I thought I'd mention 'em
distinctive from how awesome I am, my rhyme's venturesome
then the dumb luck of it all is I discover
other rappers already braggin'
but front's on sync, no lagging!
keep slang in files that recombinate to add weight to fat tracks
I overlaid this very vocal via gums that flap
I sap clock cycles from the sucker MCs as they struggle to parse
and yet this front's no farce!
some awesome massive aspiration stations self in my head:
to be the dopest innovation since the slicing of bread
instead of simply relying on my insistence to prove
that every twist of my tongue is another radical move.

That was...hmm...not worth the time I put into reading it. Next!

how is it possible to be camp in text?anyway,i take it you dont care for word play.im not gonna get all weepy about the fact you dont like rap,you're missing out is all...

I simply would not expect to like to listen to a person that insults my intelligence while I listen to him because I listen to him, nor do I like hearing people brag about making money, even if they think they're doing something good with it. Just another of the same type of rapper.

I simply would not expect to like to listen to a person that insults my intelligence while I listen to him because I listen to him, nor do I like hearing people brag about making money, even if they think they're doing something good with it. Just another of the same type of rapper.


did you read the verse?

Yes I did. He started talking about how he made himself in the music industry, but then he went on saying that he makes his music simple for his simple audience to make more money. He talks about giving back to the poor, but even if that were admirable, him bragging about it makes it worthless.

Did you read what I posted?

Did you guys even read that jay-z verse? You seem to literally have no comprehension of it. Read it slow, and think about it.

"Yes I did. He started talking about how he made himself in the music industry, but then he went on saying that he makes his music simple for his simple audience to make more money. He talks about giving back to the poor, but even if that were admirable, him bragging about it makes it worthless."

Jesus christ think for two seconds before you post. HE"S EXPLAINING WHY MAINSTREAM RAP IS THE WAY IT IS.

He may be explaining it, but in this song he is still accepting it. He says that he uses it and doesn't claim its wrong. Therefore, he uses it to his advantage.

Uh, yeah, so what's your point? If he wants to make money, he has to play by the rules. Otherwise he stays in the ghetto. He actually had it both ways; he made a bunch of pop hits and slowly started sneaking in songs that were more and more sophisticated. The Black Album is his best LP yet.

For those that think all hip-hop is terrible and contrived, check out this song's lyrics:

Sweatshop Union -- "The Thing About It" (http://www.lyricsdownload.com/sweatshop-union-the-thing-about-it-lyrics.html)

Jay-Z is worth two hundred sweatshop unions.

In dollar value, perhaps.

MC Frontalot buries all y'all under six feet of mockery.

Except maybe sweatshop union.

Uh, yeah, so what's your point? If he wants to make money, he has to play by the rules. Otherwise he stays in the ghetto. He actually had it both ways; he made a bunch of pop hits and slowly started sneaking in songs that were more and more sophisticated. The Black Album is his best LP yet.

My point is just that. He has to "Play by the rules" or "He stays in the ghetto"? Don't give me that crap. A person with honor would write out what was on their mind in their music, not "dumb it down" for their audience. Give me a break. My family doesn't live in the ghetto yet we have never had a singer in the family (or anyone else for that matter) that sacrificed their own way to make it big. It's that simple.