Every time I show up outside of my house, there are at least two strangers who whistle, yell out hello, or say "niiiiiice" when I can hear it. Those are cleches, most guys find more creative ways to "start a conversation." Sometimes, it's a compliment, sometimes it's harassment, depending on my mood. I usually gaze into horizon, but lately, I started to look around at other people, and I noticed each guy at least gives me a glance.

Is it only NY men who do that? Is it only American men? Does every guy you know do that? Do you do that?

Nobody in their right mind would jump on your neck if you're a stranger on the street, so why do you do it?

If a girl makes eye contact, what do you think? If a girl smiles back, what do you think? If a girl says hi, what does that mean to you? (Well, it doesn't get further than that, 99% of the time :p ) And, if the girl ignores you, do you find it offensive? What do you expect from a decent female after you whistle/comment?

Is it only NY men who do that?

Nope

Is it only American men?

Nope

Does every guy you know do that?

Nope

Do you do that?

Nope

It's only the idiotic few that give us males a bad name...but suprisingly these are the same guys that get the girls. What a fucked up world we live in.

If a girl makes eye contact, what do you think?

Do I have a booger? Is my flies undone? She thinks I'm weird...I bet she's looking at my hair...I know she is...

If a girl smiles back, what do you think?

Where's the number for St. James' mental hospital, I've got a live one here!

If a girl says hi, what does that mean to you?

She wants directions or money...

And, if the girl ignores you, do you find it offensive?

Nope

What do you expect from a decent female after you whistle/comment?

If I did (hypothetically) then I would expect said decent female to walk up to that guy, grab him by the juggler/genitals, and squeeze and make him swear never to do it again. Then do it anyway, the world needs less people like that.

'Round Seattle, that ain't too kosher. Not only are we liberal folk out here, but we're glowering liberal folk.

Nonetheless, it does happen.

While I won't blame the women, I would ask them to keep in mind that a large number of women treat such behavior as acceptable on Friday night. And while it may not be appropriate for Sunday morning, I would ask women to please remember that this is men they're dealing with, wherein many actually believe that if a woman talks to a man for more than ten minutes she must want him in bed. Few of the men I've called friends have been able to keep their Friday-night behavior to themselves come Sunday morning. Most don't understand the situational difference.

Again, not to blame the women, but I beg you to please bear in mind the reduced capacities of men in this case; it is, generally speaking, a handicap.

Thing is, I'm not even average-looking. That means, they whistle at any female human. Not every female, that would be too revealing, they're smart enough to see that. But the selection is random, partly mathematic.

I get these things even from guys that look decent. Well, "niiice" is quieter in their case. But guys on their home lawn do it too! :eek: And they're old!

I get these things even from guys that look decent. Well, "niiice" is quieter in their case. But guys on their home lawn do it too! :eek: And they're old!

What sexually opressed area of NY do you live in?

As a fellow NYer and a dude I seriously don't understand how you have so many guys whisteling at you everyday. I know, mostly black males have a tendency to do that but they do it mostly in groups and they certainly do it mostly Latino, Asian or Black women. But not every second of their waking lives.

What you describe sounds nothing like NY.

As for giving you a glance...you're not alone. I give a galnce to every woman I see (not desperate glances) but it is merely to observe people.

What sexually opressed area of NY do you live in?

Brooklyn. Also, by our school.

I know, mostly black males have a tendency to do that

HAHA, no, they keep quiet now. Nothing can outdo the white male.

Edit: I rarely come out outside of Bklyn and our School area, but it happened on a nice part of Park Ave. And I don't want to go to museums alone, there's always some freak that really wants to share his theories with me.

If a girl makes eye contact, what do you think?
I personally don't think anything when that happens, and think its strange you assume we would think something. But then maybe I'm wierd, because I have a friend who, if he gets eye contact, is convinced the girl is obsessed with him.
But no, he's incredibly self absorbed, so its still not normal.
I need a lot more than a smile or freaking eye contact to think a girl is interested.
You can tell a girl is interested if she keeps talking about you to you, what I mean by that is they comment about your arms or hair or whatever, not even necessarrily compliments, you can just tell when they are fixed on the subject of you. Also if they feel obliged to tell you about the other girls that like you, thats a give away. Those are the kinds of ways I pick up on a girls interest. I don't get this whole eye contact and smiling business. I hope everyone I make eye contact with or smile at doesn't think I'm hot for them. It seems so vague, I don't know how my friend uses stuff like that as a guage. No wonder he's experienced so many turn downs, I haven't because I only ever move in if its crystal clear.
Anyway, thats just what I want to tell my friend but all I can do is praise him about his lady-chasing antics because I kind of boned his dream girl that he told me not to bone and I feel bad.

And, if the girl ignores you, do you find it offensive?
They'd find it offensive in a way you wouldn't understand.
See its kind of a way to sexually assault someone, guys feel like a "niice" or whistle is an airborn penis that penetrates your ear. They get a thrill from doing it. If you want to make them happy, act offended, thats what they want. If you ignore, its like the airborne penis didn't hit the mark. But thats if you truely ignore, if you try to ignore and its obvious you are trying, they love that.
I don't think stopping with wide eyes, a smile and a curtsy like you're accepting an award is the desired effect. That would probably creep them out.

if a very good looking woman walks into a room, ANY man will at least give her a look. its like infused in males brains, its something we do automatically. now as far as the yelling and calling...thats for the immature low lifes that cant control their primitive compulsive urges. any woman that would actually respond to that should seek professional help immediately.

I usually say hi and if I get a response ask them what their hobbies are. I have a gf now so I don't do that at present. The frankness, interest in them and lack of games seems to do well for me.

If I talk to woman about dating (which is a topic they tend to bring up) I sometimes ask them what they like about kissing. It is funny but less than 50 % seem to know.

Every time I show up outside of my house, there are at least two strangers who whistle, yell out hello, or say "niiiiiice" when I can hear it. Those are cleches, most guys find more creative ways to "start a conversation." Sometimes, it's a compliment, sometimes it's harassment, depending on my mood. I usually gaze into horizon, but lately, I started to look around at other people, and I noticed each guy at least gives me a glance.

Is it only NY men who do that? Is it only American men? Does every guy you know do that? Do you do that?

Nobody in their right mind would jump on your neck if you're a stranger on the street, so why do you do it?

If a girl makes eye contact, what do you think? If a girl smiles back, what do you think? If a girl says hi, what does that mean to you? (Well, it doesn't get further than that, 99% of the time :p ) And, if the girl ignores you, do you find it offensive? What do you expect from a decent female after you whistle/comment?

in the song from TLC, only's scrub's do that, ok, it's from a car but same thing(no ball's to come up and ask you out)
and yes a lot of british, juvenile boy's do the same thing, and think it's cool
(these's are not men, ( men dont hoot and howler, men dont talk about what they did over weekend, he who talks about has'nt done it.)
if a girl make's eye contact:(which most do as that's human nature) nothing.
if she smile's back: she's has a nice nature, as she is being polite.
if she say's hi: then that's a different question, I'd see what she would want, as it might be just direction's, (you alway's try to pick a friendly face when asking for direction's)however, if I liked what I saw, I'd go up to her and say hi first.
if she ignores me: (se la vie )such is life, and it's not offensive.

Every time I show up outside of my house, there are at least two strangers who whistle, yell out hello, or say "niiiiiice" when I can hear it. Those are cleches, most guys find more creative ways to "start a conversation." Sometimes, it's a compliment, sometimes it's harassment, depending on my mood. I usually gaze into horizon, but lately, I started to look around at other people, and I noticed each guy at least gives me a glance.
Well... giving a glance is ok... But the rest is tipic jerky behaviour, and unfortunately, you can expect that from most men.... :/

Is it only NY men who do that? Is it only American men?
No. No.

Does every guy you know do that?
Almost every guy...

Do you do that?
Unfortunately... no. But most girls seem to enjoy it... :rolleyes:

If a girl makes eye contact, what do you think?
Totally depends on her eyes, how long she does it, how she does it...
If a girl stare at me while I'm not seeing her, and when I look at her she pretend she wasn't seeing me, I interpret that as she does like me - specially if her pupils are dilated and her eye brows are in a special position. But it is pretty detailed involuntary reactions... you have to pay a lot of attention...

If a girl smiles back, what do you think?
Again, depend on context and how she does it. There are quite a few kinds of smiles. Also the other parts of her face would be important to interpret what the smile means.

If a girl says hi, what does that mean to you? (Well, it doesn't get further than that, 99% of the time )
Yes, indeed. It means just a hi. But the tone of voice and all the involuntary nonverbal clues is what really matter...

And, if the girl ignores you, do you find it offensive?
Totally. And it is not just with girls. If anybody ignores me I find offensive (I mean when I say hi or something, because only seeing that person doesn't mean that that person saw me...).

What do you expect from a decent female after you whistle/comment?
.... slap me? :D
It depends on the comment... :D

Truthseeker I have to ask---if you find it offensive when somebody ignores you--I have associated that with lower (than average) self esteem. Why is it being ignored on a causual street passing irks you? and why do you care if they saw you or not?

I have sold computer equip, services through a gov bureau, and retail clothes and I get ignored at least once a day. Cannot say it phases me in the least? So I wonder why the dicotomy. Why it has no impact on my day and some on yours?

I hope you don't see this as an attact on you cause it is not meant that way....just curosity as to what in general, or specfically if you have an example, offends you about being ignored?

Truthseeker I have to ask---if you find it offensive when somebody ignores you--I have associated that with lower (than average) self esteem. Why is it being ignored on a causual street passing irks you? and why do you care if they saw you or not?
It is not a matter of feeling, it is a matter of respect. I don't like when people ignore me. It tells me that they have no respect for me. But have in mind that I was talking more about people that know me.... ;)

I have sold computer equip, services through a gov bureau, and retail clothes and I get ignored at least once a day. Cannot say it phases me in the least? So I wonder why the dicotomy. Why it has no impact on my day and some on yours?
I'm just too right. :p
I wish people were better, and when they aren't, I get a littl bit annoyed.

I hope you don't see this as an attact on you cause it is not meant that way....just curosity as to what in general, or specfically if you have an example, offends you about being ignored?
Nah, it is alright...
But I don't like being ignored for no reason....

It could be that they think you're really ugly and they're just being sarcastic. :D

I know that sometimes if I see a really ugly person, I sometimes can't take my eyes off of them. Their uglinesses are enigmatic and thus attractive.

Hahahahahaha

Is it only NY men who do that?
No its done the world over
Is it only American men?
see above
Does every guy you know do that?
Some do some dont, depends on how mature they are.
Do you do that?
No if i wanna talk to someone i'll talk, but girls seem to like the attention and think that they are good looking enough to be whistled at.
If a girl makes eye contact, what do you think?
Nothing unusual, you instinctively look at people, and some people look you in the eyes when they talk or want to talk to you, its nothing unusual.
If a girl smiles back, what do you think?
Shes polite, happy, probably a decent girl as opposed to others that'd shout out 'what the fuck you think you lookin at mo fo'
If a girl says hi, what does that mean to you?
It means she wants to talk to me, but i wouldnt know what about until the conversation flowed.
if the girl ignores you, do you find it offensive?
If im talking to anyone and they ignore me i find it slightly arrogant that they wont talk to me, but i just walk off, no time for jerks and bitches in my life.
What do you expect from a decent female after you whistle/comment?
A decent one would carry on walking and ignore the comments, probably muttering 'jerks' under her breath and wouldnt give it a second thought.

Thing is, I'm not even average-looking.
Anybody with a hint of personality thinks that, its called not being big headed, self centred and vain, besides beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Is it only NY men who do that? Is it only American men? Does every guy you know do that? Do you do that?

No. The group of men who do this are known as the "chauvinists who can't get any". It doesn't include me, because I'm frankly not interested in dating right now. Never was, probably won't be for another year or two.

Nobody in their right mind would jump on your neck if you're a stranger on the street, so why do you do it?

Because I'm Dracula's reincarnation. I'm after your neck for entirely nonromantic purposes, I assure you.

Now stick out that jugular vein before I make you.

If a girl makes eye contact, what do you think?

She's after my wallet.

If a girl smiles back, what do you think?

She's after my reputation.

If a girl says hi, what does that mean to you?

She's after my life.

(Well, it doesn't get further than that, 99% of the time )

A likely quote from a 40-year old virgin with a high-powered job who can't get any but would like to pretend she's a gregarious, fertile, covertly manipulative queen bee.

Encore, I say.

And, if the girl ignores you

It means she isn't after my wallet, reputation, or life. A good sign.

I return the favor and move on.

What do you expect from a decent female after you whistle/comment?

I don't whistle or comment, so this is irrelevant.
(Makes one wonder why I bothered to reply to this one.)

Rock on. Try harder to get some.

its america, what do you expect

What kind of stupid threads are you people running lately!

I was wondering about this issue too:
The other day, as I was on my way home from jogging, I met the soccer team in the wood, exercising. They whistled after me. I went my way,looking down.

I live in the country, and there aren't many people there, much fewer who exercise. My jogging route goes through the wood, then on an asphalt road with little traffic, then uphill a field, and back. Next to the wood, there is a soccer field, and the players sometimes exrcise in the wood, as there is a nice place there.

Now, if I met a group of soccer players exercising in another place, where more people exercise and is more frequented, I wouldn't care, and they wouldn't do anything, wouldn't whistle after me. But here, at home, it's different -- going jogging is regarded as showing off. (Even though one simply goes out jogging because it is the cheapest variant, and also the only variant to exercise properly here.)


So what does one do when meeting a group of men in such circumstances who whistle and make comments?
What is one to think?
What do they think?

Thats the way the cookie crumbles lol

What kind of stupid threads are you people running lately!

I seriously have no clue what would be a proper reaction when people whistle at me. So I'm trying to find out. I also don't understand why whistling (etc) is done if it brings absolutely no results.

Rosa, if I were in your place at that time, I'd run faster. A large group of whistling men is scary to me.

whitewolf,

Yes, a large group of men IS scary. But think: if you run, then everything on your body shakes -- making the men even more apt to comment!

(Sheesh, I shudder at the technicality of this remark.)

Every time I show up outside of my house, there are at least two strangers who whistle, yell out hello, or say "niiiiiice" when I can hear it. Those are cleches, most guys find more creative ways to "start a conversation." Sometimes, it's a compliment, sometimes it's harassment, depending on my mood. I usually gaze into horizon, but lately, I started to look around at other people, and I noticed each guy at least gives me a glance.

Is it only NY men who do that? Is it only American men? Does every guy you know do that? Do you do that?

you know, now that you mention it I've never seen anyone do that in real life. I definitely have never done it, I'd always thought it was just something people did in movies.

whitewolf,

I assume that you are a decent looking lady. Will you be offended if all men around you totally ignore and never pay any attention to how you look?

Every time I show up outside of my house, there are at least two strangers who whistle, yell out hello, or say "niiiiiice" when I can hear it. Those are cleches, most guys find more creative ways to "start a conversation."
If a girl makes eye contact, what do you think? If a girl smiles back, what do you think? If a girl says hi, what does that mean to you? (Well, it doesn't get further than that, 99% of the time :p ) And, if the girl ignores you, do you find it offensive? What do you expect from a decent female after you whistle/comment?

Do you find that men find you approachable? I ask this because you are saying you get whistles and silly comments a lot and because you say that saying hi doesn't get you further 99 % of the time.

I can't whistle and not into off handed comments but at the age of 36 have gotten pretty good at evaulating which woman are approachable and which are not. What I have learned from this though is that many woman who are not approchable do not see themselves as such or have not thought about it.

To give you a tangable example about 12 months ago there was a co-worker at my job named Sandra. She was in my estimation not approachable but since we worked together overtime she opened up a little to me.

She said that she could not get a date for the life of her but in our day to day interactions she was really hard on the guys she interacted with and on many days would be nice to me and than on others tell me I was like all other guys --ie pigs despite the fact that I never flirt with her asked her out or hit on her. (cause she was not my type).

I told her one day that her attitude was her worst enemy but she didn't bite into my theory and I don't want to elongate this entry too much with Sandra's dirty laundry but one thing I noticed is that she was the recipient of many off handed coments on a weekly basis but was only asked out once (by a married man --of all the luck).

I wonder two things:

1) if some men use off handed comments and whistle to interact with woman they deem as non-approachable

2) If you consider yourself (since we cannot know from here in cyberspace) as approachable in general.

I realize though that low self esteem is probably a big part of the whoofing and whistling but I am thinking it is (a) realitive to the relationship between the man and woman who are involved in the whoofing and (b) woman's approachablity is a sub-reason for the whoofing.

It could be that they think you're really ugly and they're just being sarcastic. :D

I know that sometimes if I see a really ugly person, I sometimes can't take my eyes off of them. Their uglinesses are enigmatic and thus attractive.

Hahahahahaha
Welll... (I suppose you are talking with me)... they say I'm really cute..... So..... I guess it is not that.... :confused:

Who knows? Girls make no sense. They keep contradicting themselves...! :p

Who knows? Girls make no sense. They keep contradicting themselves...! :p

AMEN.

1) if some men use off handed comments and whistle to interact with woman they deem as non-approachable
2) If you consider yourself (since we cannot know from here in cyberspace) as approachable in general.

People don't like me. Guys I like the most usually don't start talking to me until I spend a few weeks running after them and convincing them that I am a likeable being. I hope that says a lot about approachability. But how can they tell from merely looking at me?

Will you be offended if all men around you totally ignore and never pay any attention to how you look?

I'm usually very happy if nobody distracts my trail of thought.

People don't like me. Guys I like the most usually don't start talking to me until I spend a few weeks running after them and convincing them that I am a likeable being. I hope that says a lot about approachability.

Aye. And the fact you have a skull and crossbones for an avatar. :D

AMEN.
Yeah well... but it is true, isn't it? ;)
If you flirt with them, they either say that you are annoying or they like it...
They change mood so fast....
They say you are cute, caring, friendly.... and still don't care about you...
They change their mind really fast...
They are often either too sensible or not sensible at all...
They say they want to be treated well but go out with a guy that treat them like garbage/slave/trophy....

They say they want a romantic guy and go out with the first jackass they see on their way... :eek:


Yes, they make no sense. I rather be a jerk so that I can go out with them. I'm tired of being a saint. I can't wait to go back to Canada and treat them like a true jackass does. Then... oh yeah baby, here I come! Who is your daddy babe? :D

Aye. And the fact you have a skull and crossbones for an avatar.

Those are not bones. Those are swords. :p

They change mood so fast....
They say you are cute, caring, friendly.... and still don't care about you...
They change their mind really fast...
They are often either too sensible or not sensible at all...
They say they want to be treated well but go out with a guy that treat them like garbage/slave/trophy....

They say they want a romantic guy and go out with the first jackass they see on their way...

Yes, they make no sense. :D

I couldn't agree more. I mean, women habitually bestow their favours upon undeserving, uncaring men who will end up hurting them; they ignore the ones who would treat them well and be faithful, pretending that such men do not exist. :(

OK: I have been borderline lewd and unsubtle in the past, but mainly when intoxicated. As others have said, it is a hardwired response in a guy: some of us are just not very good at repressing it, and have to learn the hard way.

If I do not initiate a conversation with a woman I meet, there seems to be little chance that she will actually make the first move instead. Yet often enough, me trying to break the metaphoric ice (with or without whistling and leering) is seen as threatening and strange. So what should a man do? :confused:

Yes, a large group of men IS scary. But think: if you run, then everything on your body shakes -- making the men even more apt to comment!

Jogging is a good form of exercise, and - to anyone who sees you doing it - there is always the faint impression that you are trying to show off your physical fitness. This is of course compounded by how the jogger dresses... Wolf whistles and compliments in that situation can be regarded as acknowledgement of what you're trying to demonstrate: the state of your body, and your self-discipline. Why should that be insulting?

there was a debate on the radio about wolf whisling the other day and every female who rang up said they LOVE it when a guy whisled at them. that it made them feel flattered and atractive, and that they secretly like it while they sue the pants off the guy for harassment

that says alot about females i think:p

I couldn't agree more. I mean, women habitually bestow their favours upon undeserving, uncaring men who will end up hurting them; they ignore the ones who would treat them well and be faithful, pretending that such men do not exist.
Yes. Oddly enough they say that they love the guy and, worse, the guy loves her... :eek: :D

OK: I have been borderline lewd and unsubtle in the past, but mainly when intoxicated. As others have said, it is a hardwired response in a guy: some of us are just not very good at repressing it, and have to learn the hard way.
Well... in my case I did learn the hard way. I think I even stood for a long time....!

If I do not initiate a conversation with a woman I meet, there seems to be little chance that she will actually make the first move instead. Yet often enough, me trying to break the metaphoric ice (with or without whistling and leering) is seen as threatening and strange. So what should a man do? :confused:
Yes! Exactly! They say they like guys to saying they are pretty, but if you do they repress you and sometimes even get offended and defensive! Soooo true...!

Would anyone call me a sexist, or a stalker, or whatever... if I suggest that Whitewolf post a picture of herself? Then we could all decide whether we would pass lecherous comment in her presence? :p

I don't know about whistling because it seems a waste of time, but flirting is good (mind you, you cannot flirt alone, because it takes two to tango).

that's a myth, it actually takes 5 to tango.

if only sex was tango, then you would get 5 chicks :D

Is it only NY men who do that?

No. Seems to me about 40% of guys or more are more than willing to belt out a cat call for a sweet ass.

Is it only American men?
No, I've seen it in other countries.

Does every guy you know do that?
No, but most of us think it. If I see a hottie, I can't help but guffaw internally a bit. It's sick. Interally I'm all "god DAMN! holy fuck I wish I could... argh. nevermind you sick fuck".

Do you do that?
Not once in my life. I AM a watcher though. I see the sweet asses for sure, I just don't say anything. Sometimes I don't even when I should (well, before getting married anyway).

Nobody in their right mind would jump on your neck if you're a stranger on the street, so why do you do it?
Guys do it because chicks dig assholes. It gets them attention from the chick. I believe the theory is that any press is good press if you know what I mean.

If a girl makes eye contact, what do you think?
It depends. If she's super hot I usually can't handle it and feel guilty and look away. A hot woman is basically porn to me before I get to know her, and it's quite embarassing to be caught looking at porn. I wouldn't treat her that way because as soon as she speaks, she becomes more than porn. Until them though, it's just fodder for the imagination.

If a girl smiles back, what do you think?
"holy fuck, I wonder what that means? is she just being friendly? could she tell I'm the nerd overlord? maybe she's down for a little bit of what I got? goddamnit man I'm married, nevermind!"


If a girl says hi, what does that mean to you?
Generally "hi". I hate to read too much into a greeting. If it's a really warm smile I might try to think of something to say, but if there's no situational opportunity for conversation I'll end up in silence. I have never once spewed a line. I've regretted it a lot too, because they freakin work to some degree. It's certainly better than silence if you're looking to meet someone, but my pride shuts my trap unless I think up something about what's going on at the time.

And, if the girl ignores you, do you find it offensive?
I just figure she doesn't dig it. That's generally the case. I know about what percent of chicks find me initially attractive so I don't get freaked out when they don't. I've sold myself short on a number of occasions though. Hindsight's a bitch.

What do you expect from a decent female after you whistle/comment?

I don't think most guys think it through that far. They probably don't consciously think about that they only expect attention. They figure they can work it out from there or when rejected, still think "yeah, she wanted me.. she's missing out" and forget about it until the next time.

Would anyone call me a sexist, or a stalker, or whatever... if I suggest that Whitewolf post a picture of herself? Then we could all decide whether we would pass lecherous comment in her presence?

... and I'd tell her whether it is safe for her to run in the presence of men.

If I do not initiate a conversation with a woman I meet, there seems to be little chance that she will actually make the first move instead. Yet often enough, me trying to break the metaphoric ice (with or without whistling and leering) is seen as threatening and strange. So what should a man do?

Most girls accept the passive role. I don't. I hate the passive role, I end up with the most boring suckers that way. What I personally want from a guy is for him to show that he's interesting, and then I'll do the rest. WIth most women.... Someone told me that when seducing someone, you should go in small, smooth steps, slowly, and see what the person does.

there was a debate on the radio about wolf whisling the other day and every female who rang up said they LOVE it when a guy whisled at them. that it made them feel flattered and atractive, and that they secretly like it while they sue the pants off the guy for harassment

Back when I was younger, I found it necessary. Now, it's pointless and annoying.

Would anyone call me a sexist, or a stalker, or whatever... if I suggest that Whitewolf post a picture of herself?

:p

Hmmm.... Well, judging from the way I sound in my posts, how do you think I look?

Then we could all decide whether we would pass lecherous comment in her presence?

:p

that's a myth, it actually takes 5 to tango.

Mmmm... the number of people should be even. 4.

I AM a watcher though.

We all watch. Even when I'm committed, I watch.

"holy fuck, I wonder what that means? is she just being friendly? could she tell I'm the nerd overlord?

hahaha.... /rolls

and I'd tell her whether it is safe for her to run in the presence of men.

Running is so usual in New York.... Everyone able does it. Heck, we run All the time! If you're not running in this city, you've better be riding or driving, and if you're standing in one place, you're seriously late for... for something.

I don't know about whistling because it seems a waste of time, but flirting is good (mind you, you cannot flirt alone, because it takes two to tango).
Yes, very true. Flirting is really good. But it is annoying when girls keep flirting and flirting and never get any further... :rolleyes: :p

Hmmm.... Well, judging from the way I sound in my posts, how do you think I look?
:p

I imagine you as fairly tall, trim but curvaceous, Caucasian - probably dark-haired, with startling eyes and sharp features. You are likely athletically-inclined and radiate vitality. I should think you dress in close-fitting clothes and enjoy drawing men's gazes. ;)

I live on the west coast of Scotland and if a guy wolf whistles at a girl he is more likely to get his balls handed to him than anything else.

whitewolf
i am wondering about your comment regarding how a man shows you he is interesting in the first place?
do you wait to see some type of demonstration of something ?
do you wait for him to make some witty introduction?
do you see where i am going with this question ?

Rosamajica
unfortunately the more likely reason for the men whistling at you is to show the other men in the group they are hetrosexual and is a show of power in a caveman like manner.

That TLC "scrub" song makes me wanna puke it says if you dont have your own house car and job then dont talk to me ... its reinforcement of women prostituting their attention for money and power status.

Whitwolf , Rosamajica.. remeber this ..
if a man is sucure about his own sexuality then he is not going to wolfe whistle at you
or make some lewd comment.
although there is still a majority of women who feel the need for constant reasurance that they look sexualy attractive to men as they lack self esteem, and self confidence, which is why they relentlessly ask others opinions on how they look, they do not dress the way they like!!!
they dress the way they think others will like them!!!
big difference
we still have a long way to go before women get enough self esteem and confidence to make the first move, and for men to be able to accept the idea also without the man or the other women watching calling the women making the first move a slut.
its all a level of evolution
:)

If there is no one else around and a guy whistle at a good looking lady, then he might be in a horny status.

If there is another or more people around, then the guy might just want to show off.

Either way, this seems to me that the whistling behavior is like showing respect to beauty in an disrespectful way.

whitewolf:

Go to Greece. Come back. American men will seem like the suavest, most courteous, most respectful motherfuckers who ever walked the earth.

mickeyboy:
I live on the west coast of Scotland and if a guy wolf whistles at a girl he is more likely to get his balls handed to him than anything else.

Ta - da!

Of course the behaviour would more or less cease if it wasn't for the "tee-hee, they're looking at me!" responses.

Ignore what you don't like, take an Uzi to what you can't ignore.

Every time I show up outside of my house, there are at least two strangers who whistle, yell out hello, or say "niiiiiice" when I can hear it. Those are cleches, most guys find more creative ways to "start a conversation." Sometimes, it's a compliment, sometimes it's harassment, depending on my mood. I usually gaze into horizon, but lately, I started to look around at other people, and I noticed each guy at least gives me a glance.

Is it only NY men who do that? Is it only American men? Does every guy you know do that? Do you do that?

Nobody in their right mind would jump on your neck if you're a stranger on the street, so why do you do it?

If a girl makes eye contact, what do you think? If a girl smiles back, what do you think? If a girl says hi, what does that mean to you? (Well, it doesn't get further than that, 99% of the time :p ) And, if the girl ignores you, do you find it offensive? What do you expect from a decent female after you whistle/comment?

it means you are reaaaally beautiful.

Do you do that?

It's biological, we (including I) enjoy looking at/watch/examine physically attractive women. If you don't like being glanced at, try not to look sexy. The best and easiest thing would be for you to change your clothing, not revealing the shape of your body (its a major part of what men find sexy about a woman, or at least a reason to look at you) if you don't like being looked at.

Say "No" to looking sexy

Well at least you don't get creepy men directing sexual innuendos at you and then start following you when you proceed to walk away.

there was a debate on the radio about wolf whisling the other day and every female who rang up said they LOVE it when a guy whisled at them. that it made them feel flattered and atractive, and that they secretly like it while they sue the pants off the guy for harassment

that says alot about females i think:p
Those women who rang up and said they LOVE it were likely trashy and suffering from low self esteem. Most women find whistles, cat calls and lewd comments from strange men irritating and annoying. We, or at least most of us, don't like being viewed as pieces of meat. I am past 40 now and so I have become invisible to men. Believe me, it is a relief to be able to walk past construction workers who don't even look up. I no longer have to dodge groups of men while I am out walking or jogging.

There is no reason why women should have to dress like frumps just to avoid stupid behavior from men. Just have some basic respect. There is nothing wrong with looking admiringly at an attractive woman or smiling at her- even saying hi in a respectful way. You may be pleasantly surprised. Women don't mind that at all. And don't think that we aren't checking out handsome men who carry themselves well and wear clothing that shows off their manly forms.:D

In China, I'm the one getting whistled at. Except it's not a whistle, more like an overt stare and constant chatter. A group of girls will come up to me, try their three lines of english, then walk beside me and giggle the entire time, all while telling me how handsome I am (and tall).

Or, more directly, if they know the english; "do you have a girlfriend? no? do you want a girlfriend??"

So after years of leering at girls, it's strange to see how the other half lives.

Those women who rang up and said they LOVE it were likely trashy and suffering from low self esteem.
Generalisation: I know a number of grown self-confident women who see "overt signals of interest" as gratifying, but only if the guy falls into the categories of "hot", "cute" or "Whooo!"

I'm so glad local legend Purple Acky's in jail. Once too often now has he approached muscular young men, asked them if they do weights, then insisted (rather forcefully) that they do press-ups for him. Lots of press-ups.

Generalisation: I know a number of grown self-confident women who see "overt signals of interest" as gratifying, but only if the guy falls into the categories of "hot", "cute" or "Whooo!"
True, I suppose it depends on the quality of the "overt signal giver". Unfortunately too many feature beer bellies and butt crack....eeeewww!

Unfortunately too many feature beer bellies and butt crack....eeeewww!
QED :D

True, I suppose it depends on the quality of the "overt signal giver".
That depends entirely the individual, I've seen stuff I wouldn't have believed if I hadn't seen it.. and (presumably, from the result) the guy fitted one or more of the categories given...

So what does one do when meeting a group of men in such circumstances who whistle and make comments?
What is one to think?

Sexist bankers (change first letter)

What do they think?
Who give s a fek but if you must have an answer:
Not very often and with their pri**s.

There is no reason why women should have to dress like frumps just to avoid stupid behavior from men.

While you have my sympathy, I'm sure if a man had half his penis hanging out you couldn't help but to look at it.

It's not stupid behaviour, it is entirely natural. Tell you what, as a test I'll go to work naked tomorrow and see how many women look me in the eye. A woman specifically does all she can to make men look at her and then throws a hissy fit when men look at her.. it's quite bizarre.

What hallucinogenic drugs are you on boy?

Every time I show up outside of my house, there are at least two strangers who whistle, yell out hello, or say "niiiiiice" when I can hear it. Those are cleches, most guys find more creative ways to "start a conversation." Sometimes, it's a compliment, sometimes it's harassment, depending on my mood. I usually gaze into horizon, but lately, I started to look around at other people, and I noticed each guy at least gives me a glance.

Is it only NY men who do that? Is it only American men? Does every guy you know do that? Do you do that?

Nobody in their right mind would jump on your neck if you're a stranger on the street, so why do you do it?

If a girl makes eye contact, what do you think? If a girl smiles back, what do you think? If a girl says hi, what does that mean to you? (Well, it doesn't get further than that, 99% of the time :p ) And, if the girl ignores you, do you find it offensive? What do you expect from a decent female after you whistle/comment?

it's not just NY or N.America... here n Sao Paulo it can get pretty disgusting... these hot blooded men...

Thing is, I'm not even average-looking. That means, they whistle at any female human. Not every female, that would be too revealing, they're smart enough to see that. But the selection is random, partly mathematic.

I get these things even from guys that look decent. Well, "niiice" is quieter in their case. But guys on their home lawn do it too! :eek: And they're old!

they're not looking at your face, they're looking at how big your tits and ass are

Generalisation: I know a number of grown self-confident women who see "overt signals of interest" as gratifying, but only if the guy falls into the categories of "hot", "cute" or "Whooo!"

Chris Rock said it best.
Sexual harassment! What is sexual harassment?! What's the difference between sexual harassment and just being an idiot? I mean, if my father didn't harass my mother, I wouldn't be here! I mean, I understand some sexual harassment.. if a man is your boss and says, "Hey, sleep with me, or you're fired." That's sexual harassment. And that's the only thing that's sexual harassment! Everything else falls under "Just trying to get laid." You can't put a man in jail for that! I don't care how hard he tries, that's all he was trying to do! Anita Hill started this whole thing. It's all about looks, you know? Because if Clarence Thomas looked like Denzel Washington, this would have never happened! She'd be all, "Oh, stop it, Clarence, you nasty! Your fine self!" So, what's sexual harassment, when an ugly man wants some? "Oh, he ugly! Call the police! Call the authority!"

So I saw a thread "To males" on the main page and was enraged. How dare someone address men in such a derogatory, unintellectual manner. I was about to pop a vein here.

Me?????

Well, after three years of practice, luring desirable guys has become easier, I don't chase anyone. I show interest by staring at them for long periods of time, they understand what I want, and after that it's smooth sailing. I'm practicing whistling, but it's not coming out too well so far.

Chris Rock said it best.

The bottomline is about mutuality. It doesn't matter what one looks like if the other ain't interested. Just because an ugly guy can't get any doesn't give him a right to push himself on somebody when they know they are not wanted. They need to look for someone on par to them. Men are just the same and get offended when someone they do not find attractive get pushy.

What hallucinogenic drugs are you on boy?

If that was aimed at me: none.. Well, I did take a couple of paracetamol last Thursday. Was there a reason for the question?

they're not looking at your face, they're looking at how big your tits and ass are

Why is that worse than looking at your face?

Why is that worse than looking at your face?

Would you really like it, if some creepy individual ogled at your sexual organs????

Would you really like it, if some creepy individual ogled at your sexual organs????

I wouldn't care... especially if it's a chick.

I wouldn't care... especially if it's a chick.

After a while i think it would get to you. and i bet you would feel annoyed if 'chicks' you found unattractive, kept on harassing you.

The bottomline is about mutuality. It doesn't matter what one looks like if the other ain't interested. Just because an ugly guy can't get any doesn't give him a right to push himself on somebody when they know they are not wanted. They need to look for someone on par to them. Men are just the same and get offended when someone they do not find attractive get pushy.

Who said anything about getting pushy? I took his monologue as commentary on the tendency of some women to take it as an insult that you even tried to chat them up. And that behavior that would be perfectly acceptable by a handsome man is completely unacceptable when done by a not so handsome man.

If a woman that I'm not attracted to makes it somewhat obvious that she is to me, I take it as a complement (same as with gay males). But I've had harmless attempts to start conversations with a couple of women over the years that were rebuffed with complete and utter contempt. It was apparently offensive to them that I even entertained the notion that they might be interested in me.

After a while i think it would get to you. and i bet you would feel annoyed if 'chicks' you found unattractive, kept on harassing you.

Probably. But I'd never let it come to that. And I make it a habit to play along with chicks like that because they'll probably have more attractive friends.

Probably. But I'd never let it come to that.

How?? What are you do gonna disfigure your own face or wear a mask????

Probably And I make it a habit to play along with chicks like that because they'll probably have more attractive friends.

Charming

How?? What are you do gonna disfigure your own face or wear a mask???? Nope.. you gotta be creative. Assuming telling them to fuck off doesn't work and you don't want to risk starting a fight, just say something really disgusting, that'll get them off your back.


Charming
Is there something wrong with that?

you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're stoking the fire.

Nope.. you gotta be creative. Assuming telling them to fuck off doesn't work and you don't want to risk starting a fight, just say something really disgusting, that'll get them off your back.



Is there something wrong with that?

Yes, don't you think leading someone on and getting their hopes high in order to gain access to friends who are more attractive , is a bit evil and sly?????

you don't look at the mantelpiece when you're stoking the fire.

What do you mean with that? That I should pay less attention to their physical looks?

What do you mean with that? That I should pay less attention to their physical looks?

If i'm not mistaken i think he means when your playing with someone's bits,you don't have look at their face.

Yes, don't you think leading someone on and getting their hopes high in order to gain access to friends who are more attractive , is a bit evil and sly?????

No, I just interact with them like any other chick. Am I supposed to ignore them or something? To tell them that they're not going to get laid? (or whatever you were refering to with 'hopes') Less attractive women are a good way to gain access to a social group. They have lower self esteem and 'accept' you easier. Call it evil. I call it social engineering. Besides, I've seen how 'evil' women tend to be to men (with already low self esteem) that don't live up to their standards. I used to be one of those...

And face and face expression is very important in finding women attractive. For me at least. But body shape also is. Both have their limits.

Less attractive women are a good way to gain access to a social group. They have lower self esteem and 'accept' you easier.

Is this just you or do many men think like this????


To tell them that they're not going to get laid? (or whatever you were refering to with 'hopes')


Hope that a geninue person likes them for who they are and doesn't have an ulterior (is that the right spelling? my head has gone blank )motive, is that too much to ask for? Or Some may want to get laid and have a bit of fun!

Is this just you or do many men think like this????Nope, most men (and women) do not think at all. They just do. They are zombies and mass media has turned women into objects for them. Funny how you complain about that yet do your best to look like that 'object' through fashion and a shit load of make up etc.

Curious how you reply to this part implying that men are somehow morally wrong or something but not to the women part. Then again maybe you overlooked it as I edited it.

If you mean the way men look at women... Personally I don't see women as 'objects'. I just like to have fun that's all. That includes sex

Hope that a geninue person likes them for who they are and doesn't have an ulterior (is that the right spelling? my head has gone blank )motive, is that too much to ask for? Or Some may want to get laid and have a bit of fun!

Where did I say that I don't express interest in them and have fun with them? I just tend to pay more attention to potential sex mates.

Funny how you complain about that yet do your best to look like that 'object' through fashion and a shit load of make up etc.

So does dressing up and putting on a bit of slap mean you want to be seen as an object??



Curious how you reply to this part implying that men are somehow morally wrong or something but not to the women part. Then again maybe you overlooked it as I edited it.


Personally i don't think many women would do that Or maybe i'm a bit of misandrist and a bit biased.

Every time I show up outside of my house, there are at least two strangers who whistle, yell out hello, or say "niiiiiice" when I can hear it. Those are cleches, most guys find more creative ways to "start a conversation." Sometimes, it's a compliment, sometimes it's harassment, depending on my mood. I usually gaze into horizon, but lately, I started to look around at other people, and I noticed each guy at least gives me a glance.

Is it only NY men who do that? Is it only American men? Does every guy you know do that? Do you do that?

Nobody in their right mind would jump on your neck if you're a stranger on the street, so why do you do it?

If a girl makes eye contact, what do you think? If a girl smiles back, what do you think? If a girl says hi, what does that mean to you? (Well, it doesn't get further than that, 99% of the time :p ) And, if the girl ignores you, do you find it offensive? What do you expect from a decent female after you whistle/comment?

the truth?

sex...sex...and sex. Is what I think.

Men think about sex every 6 seconds, allegedly. Personally I'm left wondering what they can find to think about for the other 5.

Men think about sex every 6 seconds, allegedly. Personally I'm left wondering what they can find to think about for the other 5.

sleep

Good idea. Nite nite.

Good idea. Nite nite.

nity.