On a recent trip to South Africa along the likes of Oprah and others, Ms. Thunderdome noted:

"I don't think we have to please the white people of this country."

This country in which whites are oppressed and subjected to tremendous amounts of crime with little, to no, governmental reprisal of the animal perpetrators.

Remember now ...it's okay for blacks to be racist against whites ...it's the other way around where it's bad. :D

Baron Max

Isn't Tina Turner a black Muslim woman? Come to think of it so is Nation of Islam's Lois Farrakhan an anti white racist.

Remember now ...it's okay for blacks to be racist against whites ...it's the other way around where it's bad. :D

Baron Maxblack on white hate crimes go un publicized.

I am not aware if she is Moslem (regular or Nation of Islam) or not.

Post the entire quote, in context.

Remember now ...it's okay for blacks to be racist against whites ...it's the other way around where it's bad. :D

Baron Max

Oh yeah i forgot.
Hey , what would happen if there was a white history month?
As opposed to the already existant Black history month here in America?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200701/s1820670.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/southafrica/story/0,,1981705,00.html

Tiny Turner is a Buddhist, and I don't see any mention of the quoted statement in these articles about opening a school in South Africa. I also see no evidence of oppression of whites there. It is a great thing that Oprah was doing, but leave it to you guys to turn it into a swiftboat style character assassination. Can you say, sensationalist?!?

How do you define oppression? I'm sure the authors of this website would disagree with you.

http://southafricasucks.blogspot.com/

I'm not reading any of that racist crap.

I'm not reading any of that racist crap.

Truth hurts?

No, it's stupid. People are likened to monkeys because they have meeting under a tree? WTF?

As I recall, Ms. Turner's significant other of many, many years is a white male.

I would think that she was saying that white racists deserve no special protection from reactionary black racists.

I would think that she understands that reaction is a two-way street.

No, it's stupid. People are likened to monkeys because they have meeting under a tree? WTF?

The site didn't start off that way, but lately it has become less and less PC. I think the writers snapped after writing about the massive black on white crime day after day.

However, the site is useful in demonstrating what a hellhole that country has become and the idea that whites aren't "oppressed" there is ridiculous.

Under fire for its record on crime, South Africa's government argues it is difficult to extend post-apartheid law enforcement across a country with a police structure that was originally set up only to protect a white minority ruling class from a disenfranchised black African majority.

That's from your link! Those whities don't have their SS troops any more. Now they might realize how the other half of their society lived during apartheid. All of society is sharing the same conditions, and now they have to deal with it. One could always make the case that a totalitarian regime could keep the public peace, but at what price?

Under fire for its record on crime, South Africa's government argues it is difficult to extend post-apartheid law enforcement across a country with a police structure that was originally set up only to protect a white minority ruling class from a disenfranchised black African majority.

That's from your link! Those whities don't have their SS troops any more. Now they might realize how the other half of their society lived during apartheid. All of society is sharing the same conditions, and now they have to deal with it. One could always make the case that a totalitarian regime could keep the public peace, but at what price?

The idea that the police only dealt with crime in white areas during Apartheid is ridiculous. After Apartheid crime shyrocketed for everyone there.

The site didn't start off that way, but lately it has become less and less PC. I think the writers snapped after writing about the massive black on white crime day after day.

However, the site is useful in demonstrating what a hellhole that country has become and the idea that whites aren't "oppressed" there is ridiculous.

I'm curious. If they are so oppressed, why don't they move?

SamCDKey:

Many are moving, actually. It's a pity, as the only people working towards the future of South Africa as anything but an AIDS-ridden rape-fest, are the whites.

Also: They shouldn't have to move, becaus it is, after all, their land. The Boers have been there for well over 300 years, even in areas where there were no blacks to begin with.

James R.:

As far as I am aware, that was her entire quote. It was on the television with no added context.

SamCDKey:

Many are moving, actually. It's a pity, as the only people working towards the future of South Africa as anything but an AIDS-ridden rape-fest, are the whites.

Also: They shouldn't have to move, becaus it is, after all, their land. The Boers have been there for well over 300 years, even in areas where there were no blacks to begin with.



huh?

South Africa contains some of the oldest archaeological sites in Africa. Extensive fossil remains at the Sterkfontein, Kromdraai and Makapansgat caves suggest that various australopithecines existed in South Africa from about three million years ago. These were succeeded by various species of Homo, including Homo habilis, Homo erectus and modern man, Homo sapiens. Bantu-speaking peoples (here, Bantu is a linguistic term, not an ethnic one), iron-using agriculturists and herdsmen, moved south of the Limpopo River into modern-day South Africa by the fourth or fifth century (the Bantu expansion) displacing the original Khoi and San speakers. They slowly moved south and the earliest ironworks in modern-day KwaZulu-Natal Province are believed to date from around 1050.

On a recent trip to South Africa along the likes of Oprah and others, Ms. Thunderdome noted:

"I don't think we have to please the white people of this country."

This country in which whites are oppressed and subjected to tremendous amounts of crime with little, to no, governmental reprisal of the animal perpetrators.I can't find it anywhere, any link?

Tina turner is married to a white man and lives in Zurich Switzerland and the South of France, so obviously she can't stand white people:rolleyes:

Skater:

I saw it on TV. It wasn't the main thrust of the thing, just part of Oprah's stuff.

SamCDKey:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Republic

Very few black Africans - I should not have said "none" - were in South Africa proper. Aside from the Bushmen, which barely inhabited anything, and some of the Zulu, it was mostly vacant.

Moreover, for the last 200-300 years, whites have inhabited the area as their land. Afrikanners own that land legitimately.

I'm curious. If they are so oppressed, why don't they move?

http://downwithjugears.blogspot.com/2006/01/whites-flee-southern-africa-basket.html

Monday, January 23, 2006

Whites Flee Southern Africa Basket Cases

Fewer than 50,000 Whites now remain in Zimbabwe, down from a peak of 293,000 in 1980 when the former British colony and independent White republic of Rhodesia was transformed into another tinpot black African dictatorship.

The figure has continued to drop since the census was conducted in August 2002, amid the seizure of thousands of white-owned commercial farms forredistribution to black "war veterans" who promptly ran the once prosperous holdings into the ground. Among the findings of the August 2002 census were that whites numbered just 46,743 in 2002. Nearly 10,000 of them were over the age of 65, and less than 9,000 were under 15. Independent analysts estimate fewer than 30,000 whites remain, due to the systematic campaign of robbery, torture, and murder conducted by Robert Mugabe's ZANU-PF party.

As a result of driving the out the European population, with their wealth-creating and sustaining skills, the Zimbabwe economy is now a complete basket case. Inflation has soared to 254.8 per cent, unemployment is over 70 per cent and an estimated four million people are in need of food aid in what was once the only nation in black Africa other than South Africa to export food.

South Africa's white population is also dwindling; an estimated one million whites have fled the ANC-ruled Marxist state which replaced white rule in 1994. Ironically, other African nations, including Mozambique and Nigeria, have welcomed Zimbabwe and South Africa's experienced white farmers in the hopes they can help boost commercial agricultural production.

In addition, it's not as easy as you think to get out of South Africa. Our wonderful governments don't make it easy.

Very few black Africans - I should not have said "none" - were in South Africa proper. Aside from the Bushmen, which barely inhabited anything, and some of the Zulu, it was mostly vacant.


Very few white people - I should have said "none" - were in South Africa proper. Aside from ... well ... no white men.

Yes, but they established their country there. And you know, have inhabited it there as their land for hundreds of years.

On a recent trip to South Africa along the likes of Oprah and others, Ms. Thunderdome noted:

"I don't think we have to please the white people of this country."

This country in which whites are oppressed and subjected to tremendous amounts of crime with little, to no, governmental reprisal of the animal perpetrators.

Sorry, can you show me an article or something showing this? Not that I don't believe you, I just want to read what they were saying.

Because I can easily write something like:

On a recent trip to China along the likes of Cheney and Rumsfeld, President Bush noted:

"Let's kill all non-whites in the world".

Which isn't true at all, of course. In other words, a source would be nice.

Yes, but they established their country there. And you know, have inhabited it there as their land for hundreds of years.

And? This suddenly means you can apartheid? This means you are in charge?

The indians inhabited their lands for hundreds of years. I don't see you suddenly behind their cause. Wait...they are not white are they.

This thread is pathetic. First, even if Tina Turner was racist, what is the point of this thread being in a political forum? Second, if you think that quote makes someone racist you are either **very** unintelligent or perhaps have a racist mindset yourself. Or both.

Where's the quote from?

On a recent trip to South Africa along the likes of Oprah and others, Ms. Thunderdome noted:

"I don't think we have to please the white people of this country."

This country in which whites are oppressed and subjected to tremendous amounts of crime with little, to no, governmental reprisal of the animal perpetrators.


Old people are usually racist, whats new? It's not white and black, it's young and old.

I have a Lithuanian friend who vacations in South Africa with his wife sometimes. Prices are good, and he has a great time.

I have a Lithuanian friend who vacations in South Africa with his wife sometimes. Prices are good, and he has a great time.

Do they spend a lot of time and money in the ghettos of South Africa? Was their hotel in the ghetto? Or do they stay in the more touristy, upscale areas where the police can protect them from rape, assault, robbery and murder??

Baron Max

Seems like the problem is mainly with the police, coupled with a systematically and economically disadvantaged majority in South African society. At least there is no more apartheid.

Seems like the problem is mainly with the police, coupled with a systematically and economically disadvantaged majority in South African society. At least there is no more apartheid.

My guess is that things were better for almost everybody under Apartheid. Certainly Zimbabwe was better off under white rule.

Not if you were black. Ending apatheid was only the beginning of making things better for all South Africans, just as ending segregation was only the beginning in the US.

Yes, there is a big crime problem, but I doubt it has gotten worse recently, it was only ignored in the face of the nation's bigger problems. On the whole the economy isn't bad, and foriegn investment is increasing.

Not if you were black. Ending apatheid was only the beginning of making things better for all South Africans, just as ending segregation was only the beginning in the US.

I bet things were better under Apartheid for most blacks than they are now.

Yes, there is a big crime problem, but I doubt it has gotten worse recently, it was only ignored in the face of the nation's bigger problems. On the whole the economy isn't bad, and foriegn investment is increasing.

I'll post what I can find as I come across it.

Is this still about Tina Turner? Can't anyone provide a reference for her alleged racist comments?

Is this still about Tina Turner?

IMO it is just a forum degrading troll fest by any measure. I'd like to here Prince_James try to justify making this thread to begin with.

Exhumed:

I think it is relevant to note racism amongst black stars going to Africa.

But to everyone:

I don't have the quote in print. Nor can I find it. The majority of articles do not provide quotes from Oprah or anyone else for that matter. It is mostly being addressed on news and on entertainment shows.

Spuriousmonkey:

Yes, when you own a country, you can apartheid whoever you want. You know, you get to decide who is a citizen and what rights they have legally.

And the majority of American Indian tribes lost their land from conquest, treaties, and didn't consistantly occupy the majority of their areas. They were often nomadic or extremely undeveloped. When they were expelled, it was from mutual conflict.

Exhumed:

I think it is relevant to note racism amongst black stars going to Africa.


If you think the quote you provided indicates racism, you are stupider than I believe is possible. It is not racist whatsoever. I actually don't think you are that dumb so to draw your conclusion you must have a very racist mindset.

I think you are just a troll stirring the pot. Looks like you did a good job, you have a thread filled with racial controversy over a topic that is barely news worthy even if true.

I'll gladly admit I'm wrong if you can explain why you honestly believed that was racist.

My guess is that things were better for almost everybody under Apartheid. Certainly Zimbabwe was better off under white rule.

Better for who? The whites? Really? Hmm..

So only they count, right?

I have a cousin who lives in SA (as a white), has been there for over 25 years and even she says that it's so much better now than it was under the apartheid regime. People, all people, are free now compared to how it used to be.

I bet things were better under Apartheid for most blacks than they are now.
If you consider being repressed, denied all rights, forced to live in shanty towns, brutalised by police officers, have no rights under law, etc.. if that's considered better.. well.. :rolleyes:

Is this still about Tina Turner? Can't anyone provide a reference for her alleged racist comments?
Well according to PJ, it seems it was on TV on Oprah. Now aside from the fact he seems to watch Oprah (highly amusing in itself), he has nothing else to show for his quote. No links, nothing. Just what he caught. Now the fact that Turner is married to a white man, lives in Europe, it would appear that PJ has his knickers tied up in a knot over something that is false or that he totally missunderstood.

But then again, many racists only see and hear what they want to see and hear.:)

Oh yeah, she did marry a white guy, huh? She seems pretty awesome, from what I saw. I think there was a 60 minutes episode about her.

"I don't think we have to please the white people of this country."

She's right -- the natural order is that each race serves itself.

Humans left the natural order a while back. What if you had parents of mixed races? What if your parents were the product of mixed races long ago and you don't even realize it?

In fact that is the case with most people. Certain traits dominate, but people are mostly the product of a gene pool that has been mixing for thousands of years.

Humans left the natural order a while back. What if you had parents of mixed races? What if your parents were the product of mixed races long ago and you don't even realize it?

In fact that is the case with most people. Certain traits dominate, but people are mostly the product of a gene pool that has been mixing for thousands of years.

Please show me evidence for this assertion that most are mixed.

I do not believe we ever left the natural order behind. We just think we did. We're wrong :)

What is a person of mixed race? (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline//shows/jefferson/mixed/spickard.html)Biologically speaking, we are all mixed. That is, we all have genetic material from a variety of populations, and we all exhibit physical characteristics that testify to mixed ancestry. Biologically speaking, there never have been any pure races - all populations are mixed.

There's no hard evidence in that. It seems more political than logical. But thanks for the link.

Here's a more informed view:

http://snpa.nordish.net/racesofeurope.htm

The concept of race is more political than logical.

Those whities don't have their SS troops any more. Now they might realize how the other half of their society lived during apartheid.

...which in turn explains their SS troops.

Better for who? The whites? Really? Hmm..

Let's talk about Zimbabwe as it is a far clearer case. Zimbabwe went from being a food exporting country to now having people eating rats to survive. Which do you think was better?

So only they count, right?

I have a cousin who lives in SA (as a white), has been there for over 25 years and even she says that it's so much better now than it was under the apartheid regime. People, all people, are free now compared to how it used to be.

Your cousin must be an idiot then if she thinks South Africa is better for whites now than under Apartheid.

If you consider being repressed, denied all rights, forced to live in shanty towns, brutalised by police officers, have no rights under law, etc.. if that's considered better.. well.. :rolleyes:

It was so terrible that blacks snuck into the country illegally so they could be "oppressed" by the whites there. I know that blacks are now treated equally (actually more than equal) but as their country continues to turn into Zimbabwe I bet they'll soon be longing for the good old days when they lived in a functioning society.

Yeah, that's sooo much easier than building a school. Wouldn't want the darkies to get an education, they might get all uppity and start wanting rights and equality.

Your cousin must be an idiot then if she thinks South Africa is better for whites now than under Apartheid.
Shouldn't we be concerned about how all the people of South Africa are doing? Not just the white people?

The concept of race is more political than logical.

Race is a social construct that can be verified in the lab 99+% of the time.

This is an article from "racist" Stanford University

http://mednews.stanford.edu/releases/2005/january/racial-data.htm

RACIAL GROUPINGS MATCH GENETIC PROFILES, STANFORD STUDY FINDS

STANFORD - Checking a box next to a racial/ethnic category gives several pieces of information about people - the continent where their ancestors were born, the possible color of their skin and perhaps something about their risk of different diseases. But a new study by researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine finds that the checked box also says something about a person's genetic background.

This work comes on the heels of several contradictory studies about the genetic basis of race. Some found that race is a social construct with no genetic basis while others suggested that clear genetic differences exist between people of different races.

What makes the current study, published in the February issue of the American Journal of Human Genetics, more conclusive is its size. The study is by far the largest, consisting of 3,636 people who all identified themselves as either white, African-American, East Asian or Hispanic. Of these, only five individuals had DNA that matched an ethnic group different than the box they checked at the beginning of the study. That's an error rate of 0.14 percent.

Shouldn't we be concerned about how all the people of South Africa are doing? Not just the white people?

I covered that as well.

Yeah, that's sooo much easier than building a school. Wouldn't want the darkies to get an education, they might get all uppity and start wanting rights and equality.

What are you referring to?

Under fire for its record on crime, South Africa's government argues it is difficult to extend post-apartheid law enforcement across a country with a police structure that was originally set up only to protect a white minority ruling class from a disenfranchised black African majority.

That's from your link! Those whities don't have their SS troops any more. Now they might realize how the other half of their society lived during apartheid. All of society is sharing the same conditions, and now they have to deal with it. One could always make the case that a totalitarian regime could keep the public peace, but at what price?

That's the corrupt communist black government trying to come up with an excuse for South Africa becoming the rape and murder capital of the world. As for the whites, apparently they were smart to have "SS Troops" to protect them considering all the black on white crime that happens there now.

The concept of race is more political than logical.

See the link I posted. It's historical-genetic, not political, although some have politicized race into (pardon the pun) black and white.

Let's talk about Zimbabwe as it is a far clearer case. Zimbabwe went from being a food exporting country to now having people eating rats to survive. Which do you think was better?



Your cousin must be an idiot then if she thinks South Africa is better for whites now than under Apartheid.



It was so terrible that blacks snuck into the country illegally so they could be "oppressed" by the whites there. I know that blacks are now treated equally (actually more than equal) but as their country continues to turn into Zimbabwe I bet they'll soon be longing for the good old days when they lived in a functioning society.

What does Zimbabwe have to do with SA? Why is it going to turn into the same thing? Please explain.

You have not backed up anything you said, unless you count the self apparent statement that SA is not better for the people no longer given the preferential treatment they had in the past.

What does Zimbabwe have to do with SA?

They are both countries where whites ceded control of the government to blacks. Zimbabwe (which used to be Rhodesia) handed over power approximately 15 years earlier.

Why is it going to turn into the same thing? Please explain.

For the same reasons that all black countries are disaster zones.

see

http://southafricasucks.blogspot.com/

You have not backed up anything you said, unless you count the self apparent statement that SA is not better for the people no longer given the preferential treatment they had in the past.

What exactly do you want me to back up?

What are you referring to?

I'm referring to why Tina Turner and Oprah were in South Africa in the first place, to open a new school!

Many people are of mixed ancestry, the determination of which race they belong to in this case is a political and social matter, not one based on science.

They are both countries where whites ceded control of the government to blacks. Zimbabwe (which used to be Rhodesia) handed over power approximately 15 years earlier.



For the same reasons that all black countries are disaster zones.

see

http://southafricasucks.blogspot.com/



What exactly do you want me to back up?

Ah, that's what I thought. I didn't want to call you racist before I was sure, though it seemed likely. Things like this make me embarrassed to be seen browsing this site... well, I would be if it ever came up :rolleyes:

I'm referring to why Tina Turner and Oprah were in South Africa in the first place, to open a new school!

I don't think anyone objects to Oprah Winfrey opening a school in SA.

Of course not, because education leads to economic prosperity and prevents all those things you attribute to their skin color.

Ah, that's what I thought. I didn't want to call you racist before I was sure, though it seemed likely. Things like this make me embarrassed to be seen browsing this site... well, I would be if it ever came up :rolleyes:

Call me racist, it's a meaningless Marxist term used to silence white people. It doesn't change the fact that SA is turning into a hellhole like Zimbabwe and for the same reasons.

If you're opposed to free speech and want to read politically correct lies go to some other forum, there's plenty to be found.

Of course not, because education leads to economic prosperity and prevents all those things you attribute to their skin color.

I think you are being naive if you think if even all the education in the world is going to help people with an average IQ of less than 80.

Ha ha, you contradicted yourself. What is education for if not increasing intelligence? They have few schools and low average IQ's, could there be a connection? Huh.

Ha ha, you contradicted yourself. What is education for if not increasing intelligence? They have few schools and low average IQ's, could there be a connection? Huh.

Education and intelligence are two separate things. For example, I know things Stephen Hawking doesn't because I am "educated" in them so in some regards I am more educated than Stephen Hawking. I would never suggest that I was smarter than Stephen Hawking though.

Some of the stuff that Stephen Hawking deals with is so complex and abstract that it is beyond the understanding of average intelligence people no matter how hard they would try to learn and understand it.

Ha ha, you contradicted yourself. What is education for if not increasing intelligence? They have few schools and low average IQ's, could there be a connection? Huh.

Education does not increase intelligence, LOL

Education does not increase intelligence, LOL

Then why does education raise scores on any type of test attempting to measure intelligence? Call it uncovering potential intelligence, if you prefer.

Then why does education raise scores on any type of test attempting to measure intelligence? Call it uncovering potential intelligence, if you prefer.

It's more likely that those who are intelligent go on to higher and better levels of education.

Who do you think will be more intelligent at the age of 30. Someone at 20 with a 115 IQ who goes to college and finishes or someone at 20 with a 145 IQ that doesn't go to college at all?

It's more likely that those who are intelligent go on to higher and better levels of education.

Who do you think will be more intelligent at the age of 30. Someone at 20 with a 115 IQ who goes to college and finishes or someone at 20 with a 145 IQ that doesn't go to college at all?

Probably the person with 145, I guess, since that is probably beyond the threshold of self improvement. Who do you think will be more intelligent at the age of 30... a teenager with an IQ of 80 who goes through high school and college or a teenager with an IQ of 80 that doesn't go to either?

It's more likely that those who are intelligent go on to higher and better levels of education.

Who do you think will be more intelligent at the age of 30. Someone at 20 with a 115 IQ who goes to college and finishes or someone at 20 with a 145 IQ that doesn't go to college at all?

Shaddup, my IQ used to be 130 2 years ago, after I became more interested with increasing my intelligence using the intelligence enhancing technique of image streaming and intellectual discussions, its now a steady, and apparently permanent 143 ish. I could never generalize on facts and bits of information like I do now. I'm 24, and it was only about 3 months now that I actively began reading widely on a variety of subjects that I interest myself and speculate on without any prior education or introduction to - just like everyone else of that intellectual range. I reached the conclusion that the collective IQ of a society is not determined by its dumbest members. The collective IQ is more important than the individual's. And it is almost a constant to say that the in every group or community, the collective IQ is determined by its most assertive representatives.

Probably the person with 145, I guess, since that is probably beyond the threshold of self improvement. Who do you think will be more intelligent at the age of 30... a teenager with an IQ of 80 who goes through high school and college or a teenager with an IQ of 80 that doesn't go to either?

Probably the one that goes to high school, but no one with an IQ of 80 should be in college. Finishing high school would probably only be good for a few points.

Shaddup, my IQ used to be 130 2 years ago, after I became more interested with increasing my intelligence using the intelligence enhancing technique of image streaming and intellectual discussions, its now a steady, and apparently permanent 143 ish.

If you study for IQ tests you can raise your score but you will hit a ceiling eventually.

I could never generalize on facts and bits of information like I do now. I'm 24, and it was only about 3 months now that I actively began reading widely on a variety of subjects that I interest myself and speculate on without any prior education or introduction to - just like everyone else of that intellectual range.

I don't know how much IQ tests have to do with facts. An IQ test is not a game of Trivia Pursuit or Jeopardy.

I reached the conclusion that the collective IQ of a society is not determined by its dumbest members.

It would depend on the distribution of IQs wouldn't it?

The collective IQ is more important than the individual's. And it is almost a constant to say that the in every group or community, the collective IQ is determined by its most assertive representatives.

There's going to be a huge difference between a society with an average IQ of 70 and one with an average IQ of 100.

Ive heard that if a person has an IQ difference of 10 or more than another person, it seems almost impossible for the two to engage in a meaningfull conversation. (i predict an insult comeing my way).......in 3........2.......1.....

I think 'meaningful' is a bit of a relative term. Can you have a meaningful conversation with someone with exactly the same IQ but no overlapping interests?

'Meaningful' was not the correct word usage, you are correct. You could substitute it with 'interesting'. Where the conversation can hold both parties interest.

Ive heard that if a person has an IQ difference of 10 or more than another person, it seems almost impossible for the two to engage in a meaningfull conversation. (i predict an insult comeing my way).......in 3........2.......1.....

I guess it depends on how you define meaningful and even then I wouldn't agree with the statement. The difference between below average and above average is how people deal (or can't deal) with abstract concepts which usually don't come up that often in real life situations.

Oh yeah i forgot.
Hey , what would happen if there was a white history month?
As opposed to the already existant Black history month here in America?

kkk would happen

http://marbella.to/humour/apr00/kkk.jpg

Hahahaha

Man, why did Spidergoat dump this turd in my forum. I hate reading this racist/anti-racist garbage.
It's also veering dangerously off-topic (not that that's a big deal, some of the best threads are off-topic... although this certainly isn't one of them.)
Anyway. I'm tempted to dump this in someone else's lap, but I suppose it barely fits the category.
Sigh.

Anyway.
To continue with the off-topic ramblings:
I reached the conclusion that the collective IQ of a society is not determined by its dumbest members.

You do realize what iq is, don't you?
Do you know approximately how many people in a given society have a 100 iq, for instance?

Say that you have a group of people with various IQs. The "collective IQ" is determined by the most assertive members, not necessarily the smartest or the dumbest. So to say that a society has some people with 90 IQ and some with 145 doesn't matter in the end.

Theoretically, 50 percent have a hundred iq.

It's more likely that those who are intelligent go on to higher and better levels of education.

Who do you think will be more intelligent at the age of 30. Someone at 20 with a 115 IQ who goes to college and finishes or someone at 20 with a 145 IQ that doesn't go to college at all?

Count dooku.......Sorry sudoku,

talking about IQ's do you know what the might GWB's is????

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take care
zak

Count dooku.......Sorry sudoku,

talking about IQ's do you know what the might GWB's is????

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
take care
zak

I wouldn't be surprised if Bush's IQ is in at least the top 10%. He did better on his SATs and the military intelligence test than John Kerry. That being said, the decisions he's made are idiotic (unless they are done with the intent of destroying the country).

This article should interest you

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/kerry_iq_lower.htm

In case anyone wanted to see the source of the quote check

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oE4OlAwGA3w&mode=related&search

Man, why did Spidergoat dump this turd in my forum. I hate reading this racist/anti-racist garbage.
It's also veering dangerously off-topic (not that that's a big deal, some of the best threads are off-topic... although this certainly isn't one of them.)
Anyway. I'm tempted to dump this in someone else's lap, but I suppose it barely fits the category.?

Sorry but Tina Turner is a singer, that falls under Art & Culture. It's not my fault she hates white people. I saw her mansion on TV the other day and she has a booth on the front lawn with a big sign that reads, "Free lemonade for crackers".

In case anyone wanted to see the source of the quote check

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/

http://youtube.com/watch?v=oE4OlAwGA3w&mode=related&search

Never saw the quote on Youtube and neither did I see it in the nationalist press clip, so what gives?

Never saw the quote on Youtube and neither did I see it in the nationalist press clip, so what gives?

The story is about 5 stories down now, I didn't listen to the youtube clip so I'll take your word she isn't heard saying this on that particular clip.

Frankly Speaking: Oprah, Saddam and the Nazis

Report; Posted on: 2007-01-08 00:41:22

The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently. -- Friedrich Nietzsche

Frank Roman

Well, it seems the queen of daytime puffery Oprah Winfrey has opened an all girl school in South Africa; an all girl Black school that is. In an effort to make up for the “evils of apartheid,” a society in which White Boers created a first world civilization out of nothing and allowed primitive Blacks to work and live among them albeit segregated, Ms. Winfrey is spending big bucks to take around 150 African girls and whip them into fighting shape to take on the world. Now I cannot really condemn this liberal icon, Ms. Winfrey, too severely. After all, she is doing for her people what we as White people ought to be doing for our own. As a matter of fact, on January 2nd when a reporter raised the issue that her school was all Black, Ms. Winfrey replied she is not obligated to please the White residents of South Africa. Of course she made no mention of the ethnic cleansing of South African Whites at the hands of her people, either – probably by some of these children’s very relatives. No surprise there. However, thinking people understand the media’s handling of Ms. Winfrey’s racially charged remark regarding her all girl Black school. The opinion makers zipped up their collective mouths and let it slide down the memory hole hoping no one would notice. However, had some Daddy Warbucks like Donald Trump for example opened an all White school and said he was not obligated to please the Black residents almighty hell would have rained down from the same cult of hypocrites who regularly trash Prussian Blue for their racial activism.
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I did check the youtube clip and seeing that it was Entertainment Tonight didn't expect to hear the quote even if she did say it. Surprise, surprise, at around 1 min 20 seconds in she does say it!

Black nationalism is a healthy thing. Whites should do the same, and stop the handouts :)

So it was Oprah. Someone owes Tina Turner an apology.

The white South Africans enjoyed every privledge under apartheid, why indeed should Oprah start a school for them?

What about this alleged ethnic cleansing of whites by blacks?

After 5 pages of posts we find out that it wasn't Tina that said it after all:rolleyes:

I have no problem with what Ms Winfrey said; it's her money, her dream and she is helping the most underpriviliged children of the country who happen to be black. Hopefully, the women that come out of that school can be a catalyst for positive progress in the future.

So it was Oprah. Someone owes Tina Turner an apology.

The white South Africans enjoyed every privledge under apartheid, why indeed should Oprah start a school for them?

South Africa was a white run country. It was blacks that enjoyed the privlege of living there not the other way round. The blacks in South Africa had the highest standards of living which is why so many of them entered the country illegally to live there. All the blacks contributed to South Africa was idiot manual labor and crime.

What about this alleged ethnic cleansing of whites by blacks?

One million (or 1 in 6) white South Africans have left since 1992. The "ethnic cleansing" is the result of the crime, bad government and discrimination that the black government practices against whites. Quite frankly, white people should get the hell out of there even though Western governments make it difficult for them to immigrate (they need muslim fanatics and blacks more apparently).

http://southafricasucks.blogspot.com/

For example...

Tuesday, January 09, 2007

Anti-White Racism Destroying SA Medical Training

Blatant anti-White racism in admission policies at South African Universities is causing well qualified Whites to be turned away because of “reserved places” for underachieving non-White applicants.

Driving While White

Hijackings in the driveways of homes in Pretoria have become increasingly common over recent months.

Crime fight 'became too much'

06 January 2006

A white magistrate who was so sickened and saddened by the endless crime he had to deal with, could take no more and ended his life, shooting himself in the head at the Magistrate’s court in Port Elizabeth. Abe Marais (61) probably felt he was too old to leave SA, and faced with the dark prospect of retiring in the New South Africa, decided to simply end it all.

After 5 pages of posts we find out that it wasn't Tina that said it after all:rolleyes:

I have no problem with what Ms Winfrey said; it's her money, her dream and she is helping the most underpriviliged children of the country who happen to be black. Hopefully, the women that come out of that school can be a catalyst for positive progress in the future.

I don't have a problem with it either. What I have a problem with is that if the opposite happened and Donald Trump opened a school for only white people in SA we would never hear the end of it.

Only an idiot would consider South Africa better off now than it was under apartheid. But they're not thinking about the country as a whole. To me, it's even more proof that pluralism doesn't work and multiple races can't coexist -- not like we needed more proof.

South Africa was a ...
That's not ethnic cleansing, that's white flight.

The two may be related. Increased violence against whites prompts white flight.

That's not ethnic cleansing, that's white flight.

White flight is the PC term for ethnic cleansing.

The quote, as heard in the youtube clip, was "I don't think I have to appease the white people of this country."

And, yes, apologize to Tina.

against whites is more racially äcceptable¨it seems...

The quote, as heard in the youtube clip, was "I don't think I have to appease the white people of this country."

And, yes, apologize to Tina.

Not that it makes much difference to me who said it Tina Turner or Oprah (actually it does I hate Oprah more) and not that I said Turner said it but here goes anyway.

Sorry Tina Turner. Fuck you Oprah. Happy?

"Kiss my big black ass."

-Oprah

"Kiss my big black ass."

-Oprah

That would take all night!