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Quantum Quack
01-08-04, 05:24 AM
This post is probably more about physics than philosophy however because philosophy is a precurser to Physics I thought I'd post it here first and see what sort of response I get.
Time in continuum.

A while ago I posted a question in this forum about the nature of the Time continuum and how Science comprehended it’s nature.
The response I got was simply stating that the words “time continuum” meant very little to the reader. May be this was because of the terminology used or simply the idea of a time continuum is foreign, I am not sure. Thus the reason for this post.

When looking at the nature of time and understanding the variations in dilations and compressions one can still see that everything moves through time in continuum and together.

The philosophers will argue that what I am referring to is the “Now” and that is as simple as it gets.

The time continuum is just a uniform universal existence in the “Now” even with curved space and time dilations etc. are considered.

The question is: How does it all stick together and move through time as one?

Keeping in mind that the word “move” is not really correct in that the “Now “ goes no where as such.

The notions that I have of it is that the true “Now” is a time event horizon, the “now being right in the middle between the past and the future. Essentially the “Now “ is nothing and could be considered the centre of time.

Because the past is always “starting to exist” it can be inferred that everything we are cognizant of is actually a memory. Therefore the event horizon of the “Now” is actually only able to be comprehended as “nothing”. The “Now” is actually nothing , being ahead of cognition.

So to the original question about the physical nature of the time continuum.
I would suggest that the universe shares the same centre of time ( Nothing ) and all stems from this nothing to become the past that we can recognise as the present.
The present being amongst other things a collection of past and future aspirations.

In a way the idea can be encapsulated by the linked diagram

http://www.sciforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2408


Because the past determines the future there is nothing separating the past and the future thus the “Now” is only an event horizon that in itself is not time or nothing- time. The actual moment of the event horizon could be considered as a moment of anticipation, the anticipation that movement is about to happen. As we know movement and time are essentially the same thing.

Another reason for considering this notion is that in the centre of all matter and space ( if centre is the right word to use) is this event horizon, as matter “Moves” in continuum with every thing else, so therefore it can be suggested that in the centre of matter is nothing, thus nothing exists only because it doesn’t.

An earlier post tried to put forward the notion that “Nothing” is in fact the most important source of force “inversely applied”, in the universe.

If one thinks of time as a physical entity in gravitational and spacial terms then what creates a continuum of universal movements is the existence of nothing by is absolute nature “pulling” it all together. If one thinks of “Nothing” as being an absolute vacuum then in pressure terms it is extremely powerful in attracting pressure to it. So “Nothing” is what holds the universe together not only regards time but everything else as well.

The time continuum being essentially supported by the inverse force of Absolute Vacuum.
As Vacuum is omni attractive, it is attractive to itself thus all matter has an attraction to all matter. This attraction I would suggest is the action of Absolute vacuum (Nothing) and is currently referred to as gravity.

infinitethoughts
01-10-04, 11:19 AM
The notions that I have of it is that the true “Now” is a time event horizon, the “now being right in the middle between the past and the future. Essentially the “Now “ is nothing and could be considered the centre of time.


This is where everything starts breaking down. You have to remember that the notion of time is man made. The words "past" and "future" are man made.
"Past" and "future" do not really exist, but we as a species, (not a race) treat them as if they do, and this causes major problems in our interaction with what Is.

If one would take away the words "past" and "future", you'd be left with is an ongoing "isness", for lack of any other wording.

This new awareness of an "isness" without the interjected concepts of a "past" and "future", would be the basis for a new "type" of humanity, one that is not hampered by the archaic ideas of its fore fathers.

This new humanity, would only live in an ongoing "Isness", for lack of any other wording.

Now the implications of this are tremendous. The first thing that comes to mind, would be the ability to create the "future" you wanted. How? Because there is no limiting concept that a "future" exists out there, waiting for you, so to speak.

I've presented just one avenue, there are more but I'll hold of on that for now.

This is evolution at work, creating a new type of humanity, but on the mental level, not on the physical level.

Quantum Quack
01-11-04, 04:27 AM
Now the implications of this are tremendous. The first thing that comes to mind, would be the ability to create the "future" you wanted. How? Because there is no limiting concept that a "future" exists out there, waiting for you, so to speak.

Conceptually I think what I am suggesting is that the future is created in the past and therefore yes, we can create our future. However all persons have this state and to create our future depends on every oneelse as well.

This is of course not new news as we already know that to create a future we we require the active participation of others.

If the world wants to create a future it can but only if it moves as one. Until this happens the world will stay incapable of setting it's future as a world.

This of course is rather obvious but proves my thoughts quite well.

The diagram in the above post shows how the actual future is nothing until it happens but is determined by the past.

Events 100 years ago are still determining the future, one can not say that the future is determineing the future until that future becomes the past.

TeslaFan79
01-12-04, 11:30 PM
Their really is no past, present, and future. The "creation" of time is a manmade concept used to understand the universe. What we know as "time" is really the contineous change of matter from state to another. Nothing in the universe never stays the same, its like everything is in a constant state of eternal flux. I believe human beings perceive this phenomenom as "time". The concept of moving through time is an illusion. We are in a continioulsy changing "now" that repeats in cyclindrical patterns. "Time" is percieved as an infinite linear progression going forever forward. In reality,
Its more like a repeating loop in which everything in existence is a part of it. Thats the best way I can explain it. Another interesting thing is that is linear perception of time moving forword in predictable logical steps is a western mode of thinking. For example, both the Big Bang Theory and the Biblical creation story have the universe starting a beginning point out of nothingness and being organized by steps like a staircase. But, in the Eastern tradition and some other cultures, creation is a spontaneous event that repeated over and over in cylindrical patterns. Also, all creation myths and scientific theories explain the origins of OUR reality and emergence into OUR time. But we are only a mere speck on the edge of a gigantic galaxy that possibilly had other solar systems their before ours ever came to be. Imagine someone observing the big bang that supposely began our universe from outside our solar system. "Time" would not yet exist for us. But the observer would be experiencing their own perception of "time "separate from ours. This is very interesting to me. It seems that the perception, creation, and how "time" is experienced is dependent on the observar and his position in space. But in reality, time is nothing but the recording of repeating cycles. The Calender is just a mere tool to measure the movements, orbits, and the time it takes the earth to go around the sun. I think the way we experience and understand what we call "time" influences our scientific theories.

infinitethoughts
01-13-04, 10:08 AM
Very succinctly put.