Thou shalt not annoy on Youth Day

So victoms and surporters of abuse victoms could be stoped from protesting, gays protesting about the catholic church could be thrown in jail.

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great, I support this.

 

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I support it too. If its supposed to be a happy and joyous day, you don't want it ruined by people hissing at you because they have different beliefs than you do. Protests should not be held at celebrations, I think its just rude.

 

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and your both americans?

What happend to free speach?
This is the second time similar laws have been inacted, the first was because of a funeral which is fair enough but the pope is going to be in Australia and you think that everyone should shut up and play nice?

WHY for god sake?

Catholic policy is shifting back to the pre vatican 2 stage, we have Pell complaining about a set of CIVIL laws which will give the same rights to same sex couples as oposite sex couples in finantial issues, we have had him bitching and threatning the NSW's PARLIMENT over legislation that was before it ORDERING them to vote his way if they are true catholics, we have his actions during the stem cell resurch debate. Not to mention the fact that he PERSONALLY covered up the sexual assult of a 28 year old man by a priest (see my other thread).

Now because its the church's turn he expects people to shut up?
FUCK NO, he wants to get involved in politics we will give him all the politics he can handle. Not even catholics like my mother (a religious education teacher in a catholic school BTW) are happy about how the church is going

 

There's a difference between speaking and being disruptive, we also have freedom of religion without persecution.

Freedom is a two way street, while you are free to speak, you are not free to harrass normal productive citizens of a society, just because they don't like your values.

Either be civil and voice that you personally disagree and shut up, file for a proper request to protest some place that doesn't infringe on the people's right to not be subjected to verbal badgering and agression or just go take up a hobby.

Sorry, but this isn't even an issue.
The church has EVERY right to hold an event within proper zones without fear of Dogmatic uber liberals insulting them.
They asked for a group of areas that they could hold this event in, by following the beaurocracy and it's order, they earned the right to hold it.

 

umm actually these laws cover the whole of sydney not just the area where the events being held.

i think you need a little perspective but the right to protest is MUCH more important
than wether the pope comes to australia

As i said this is not the first time draconian laws have been inacted in sydney like this. Look at the legislation that was inacted for APEC as well.

There is no such THING in australia as a permit to protest, thats an american idea which you can keep. The so called "free speach zones" are a joke to a truly free sociaty

 

Then why does your article specify "hundreds of Sydney sites"?

Doesn't sound like the whole of sydney, sounds to me like a large portion...

Perhaps you could just go inside for a day and find something not quite so irrelevant to complain about?

That's lovely, however, if you read the spec of your prior comment I quoted, it was specifically directed at Americans, hence why I said "We" meaning (Americans)

You asked what happened to free speech, I was just showing the contrast between free speech and the freedom to haggle people of a particular crowd who have done absolutely nothing wrong in our country, not yours.

Order and civility are essential to a thriving republic, anyone who can't acknowledge that is so dogmatically swallowed up in self importance they really have no business discussing issues of legality and freedom in the first place, as they would likely impose their version of freedom on the larger population and something tells me that freedom would be anything that did not offend their individual(in this case secular) dogmatism.

The only thing more obnoxious than Christian fundies is secular fundies.

I think the right to protest is important, however when you protest and when you have groups who protest, there need to be rules in place for how that protest is conducted and yes, even where it is conducted.

You wouldn't(in my country) see the Aryan nations protesting inside the NAACP convention.. You have an obligation as a government to protect your citizens.

And religion in our country is protected so that people may partake in the particular faith without fear of being ridiculed/taunted/shot at/smacked/beat down/set on fire ect.


When it comes to the pope, I think popes play a more important part in thought, diplomacy and development than your entire country, but that's just an opinion.

 

This and that

Try this, Asguard: Compose an open letter to your local MP and ask that a law be passed banning people from displaying crosses on Wiccan sabbats fine, including the equinoxes and solstices, at the risk of $5,500. Remind that you're only asking the government to be fair, and that you would accept the revocation of this ultimately bonehead and bigoted law.

Send a copy to the MP's office, publish it on your website, and print copies to hand out to people or post in public places according to the law.

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R.A.J.J.

According to the news article, the law isn't just about voicing your opinion, but wearing t-shirts or merely appearing in any way that might upset delicate Catholic sensibilities.

And I still need to figure out how World Youth Day takes up an entire month.

Aside from that, while the Aryan Nations might not be given voice inside the NAACP convention, they need to do something more than simply exist within sight of the event before they're arrested.

 

It also lists places you can't go because of the possibility of offending those sensibilities, perhaps a sensible person would just find something else to do......

I didn't notice "through the end of july"

So, you can't offend a certain view point when in a select place for the next 20 days, stay away longer? lol
I still don't see this as an important issue.

I'll challenge that, the NAACP convention will likely have Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, at the risk of their whining I'm willing to bet the Ayran Nations would be shot down at the doors.

Of course, the NAACP convention this year is taking place in Cincinnati, our lovely officers have always had a special warmth and love for special interest groups.

Usually they just kill black people, but like I said, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, you even allowed the Aryan Nation on the same block and the city would have riots, and cnn would dub this the worst place on earth.

Black entertainers would boycott like they did several years back, the sports teams would refuse to play and the murder rate would go back up again.


Point being context, I don't think the police would be tolerant with the severity of discrimination and hatred between the two groups.

 

well tiassa inspite of what certain people think (ie the mongolians who landed in Adelaide last week) Adelaide isnt actually a suberb of sydney so i dont actually fall under the juristiction of these laws. I can tell every catholic priest what a discrace there church is any day i feel like it

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However i dont at all like the way sydney is going, this is the 4th big event to get these sorts of extra police powers. Actually you cant even call these POLICE powers because acording to one law lecture at the Australian catholic university (ACU) these are the same laws that were passed for kerry packers funeral and when they were in place for that it wasnt the police deciding what consituted an "annoyance" it was the Opra house manager for christ sake.

There was only one other time in recent history where such draconian legislation was concidered, that was in queensland under the national goverment of Joe Beocpeterson. If you have ever herd the song "pig city" thats what the song refers to.

Now we are heading this way again and its NSW's rather than the rednecks up north doing it. How long till insted of Fed square in melbourne being the center of protest (as it was built for) its covered in Nazi style pitures of the current PM?

Yes this will PROBABLY never happen but without protest there is no protection against this. I think i will go buy a T-shirt saying something like "all good catholics bend over for the priest" (reference to the other thread in here with an angry face) and protest on the steps of Adelaides parliment house

 

Like beliefs in free speech, freedom of assembly, freedom to protest.

If the KKK has a 'Happy racists celebrate parade' should it be illegal to stand on the side of their parade route with a sign that says 'Racism sucks'?

 

And will catholics abstain from protesting outside of Planned Parenthood, gay pride marches, etc.

 

bells you know what has shocked me about this?

its not the laws themselves, as i said this is at least the third time (well fourth including the olympics) that these sort of laws have been passed and each time they get worse.

Its not the comments from george pell, hes a nut case anyway

Its not the comments from the catholic law lecture at ACU because i knew SOMEONE would want to get away from the laws like this, catholics have enough problems with the blame that can be laid at there feet for aids in africa and there treatment of sexual abuse and homosexuality

Its the responces HERE from draqon, cutsie and R.A.J.J.

I can understand laws to prevent protest at a funeral, hell i would have welcomed this for Heath ledgers funeral after watching that nut case threatning to disrupt it because of broke back mountain. However that is just about the ONLY time that this sort of action is aceptable. This is just pure idiocy, and i hope the courts strike down the laws, if only so that they arnt inacted ever again

 

put it this way, if your stuck in traffic because of a detour for this event and running late to work and you say "fucking catholics" under these laws if a catholic or a cop hears buy rights you could be arested and charged $5000

 

Then where else are protestors suppposed to protest at? :shrug:

 

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I am not going to say anything because no matter what i say will look like i am picking on you. I think that when you do post it is like performing brain surgery, at least in a relative sense.

 

With the zombies, apparently.

 

Fuck's sake. That's retarded.

 

Nothing seems to ruin your day like protesters. I've been to funerals that had protesters flown in just to protest. It's was the saddest thing ever. Or a gay families' cruise that a friend of mine was taking had protesters there yelling terrible things when her 9 year old was present. Those things were disgusting and utterly disrespectful, I have very little tolerance for outright disrespect so maybe that's why I have a chip on my shoulder. My personal policy is if you don't like something (that isn't causing any harm to anyone, just a groups ideals)don't go. I'm black, so if the Ku Klux Klan wanted to have a parade down my street. I wouldn't protest or go outside and throw stuff at them because I don't agree with their policies or beliefs. I just wouldn't go to the parade.
I believe the legislation written for the Youth day event seems rather vague as far as what is considered annoying and what they can't wear. Even though I have to deal with legislation like that all the time here the US. If what the catholic church is doing is making so many people upset then they don't they host their own parade encouraging change?