This Must Be Stopped

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And to those who excuse such actions, yes we cannot accurately assess the veracity since no reporters are allowed in. I wonder why that is? (anything to do with those reports of the use of the elderly as human shields for tanks?) The only way to stop it is to let the press in - afford Palestinians that basic shield...

 

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The US military while passing through Afghanistan has outdone the defense tactics of Isreal. We did pay $100 to families who could prove they lost an innocent family member.

Are you more secure since the US has declared the use of nuclear weapins should the war staus abruptly change or bio war breaks out in the US.

 

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When Palestinians are killing Palestinians maybe your right.

From Debka.

Fatal Bomb Trap Was Rigged in Explosives Factory
Under Block of Buildings - Dozens of Palestinian Also Died in Blast
Jenin Battle One of Most Savage IDF Has Ever Faced
Palestinians Fight Behind Civilian Shields

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And you really think that you can take anything back from jews??..........LOL.....

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This is nothing to do with the palestinians. This is to do with the fact the palestinians harbour terrorirsts whether they like it or not. palestinians had a chance to deal with it, the world had a chance to deal with it, but that chance was exteneded far too long.

Your not looking at the facts capatain canada. Its about time you woke up to the real situation. Israel was being held hostage. Terrorists were doing the exact same thing to Isreal. With a difference, however, that terrorists wanted to create chaos, while Israeli efforts are to stop chaos so they can get back to real negotiations. Rather than, 'you leave and we stop killing you' as I believe tyler said. I wont stand for that, and Israel certainly will not. If the 'palestinian authority' doesnt care, and the world doesnt care enough to do anything about it, then the situation is left in the hands of Israeli's.

This is not a product of 'Barbaric' Israel trying to humiliate and kill palestinians. This is a product of palestinians harbouring terrorists even if they dont agree with it. Israel has to do something.


The security and prosperity of Israel is NOT negotiable. Thats what terrorists are trying to bring to the bargaining table.

So I ask you captain canada, what do you suggest is done to STOP these terrorists, without appeasing them like hitler? Whats your solution?

You seem to think that the security and safety of the palestinians should be at the expense of the Israeli's. Having numerous Israeli's killed everyday, and having money drained from their economy. They are protecting themselves. Nobody would step up, and now they have to step up for themselves. Whats wrong about that?? should Israeli's have to take a beating because the world sides with terrorirsts. I dont think so.

 

The world sides with terrorirsts? The world??
Seems to be a pretty big chip on the shoulder there.

The intractability of the two sides (regardless of the merit of either side) has become so hardened that there is no hope of a negotiated peace. There are suggestions that a third party interpose itself between the 2 sides and enforce a long-term cease-fire. Sounds good, until we pursue the details of enforcing this cease-fire. The US is seen by the Palestinians to be too pro-Israeli and the UN by the Israelis to be too pro-Palestine to be trusted. Have UN peacekeepers ever used force to prevent or punish an attack by one side against the other? What will the boundaries be and will there be any traffic between sides? Will the 3rd party also protect Israel from the terrorists in Lebanon? What about the Palestinian refugee camps? Water rights, Jerusalem, Old and New? And then, while a cease-fire would be better than the war today, would it result in negotiations somewhere down the line or just delay more bloodshed a la Yugoslavia? Would the 3rd party last long enough?

Finally, the headlines this evening are about the deaths of 13 Israeli soldiers. An ABC update claimed the Israelis wanted a temporary truce to retrieve their dead, while Palestinians lay bleeding in the streets... The mention of god-knows-how-many Palestinian dead is like an afterthought, barely causing a ripple, collateral damage...

I want to know how a people that suffered so much at the hands of others - who put no value on their lives during the Holocaust, can now hold up the lives of their own as the only ones that matter.

When did being a Jew become more important than being a human being?

Peace.

 

Elbaz,

You leave me speachless. Show some compassion for your fellow man. I hate to hear about the stories of Israeli civilians being killed as much as I do about Palestinians. These are all PEOPLE, human beings. RIght now there is a substantial slaughter of Palestinians occurring - I'd like it to stop (not least because I fear for my friend's lives). When the tables are turned, I will express the same sympathy for innocent Israeli's who are killed. Yet as Gooffyfish points out, for some reason Palestinian lives appear to be worth less in the international setting. That's why I try and draw attention to what is occurring, beyond the sight of any press, human rights groups, medical teams etc.

Do you really think this is the answer? Really? Or will it create yet more willing suicide bombers? Will Israeli's be safer now that Hamas has said it will 'wreak a vengeance greater than anything yet seen'?

I have at least discovered your definition of a terrorist:

Anyone killed by a bullet that reads 'made in Israel'

 

i think there in lies the problem. As long as ther is some way to seprate "us" and "Them" in a persons mind then atrocitys can and WILL happen.

There is only one race of evil in this world and its name is the HUMAN race

 

Asguard,

There's the way things ought to be, and there is the way things are. Nobody is ever going to change human nature or our capacity for hatred. There will never be a solution in saying what you wish it could be like.

I wish more people could see that, but I suppose I fall victim to my own argument.

That said... Innocent Israelis died even when peace was trying to be negotiated. Peace was almost a done deal. I personally would not have put up with the terrorist attacks for nearly as long as Sharon did. How many terrorist attacks did it take for the U.S. to respond?? Did WE do the wrong thing??

Israel is defending itself and nothing more. However, any war crimes committed in these attacks should be stopped and punished no matter who commits them. (such as the killing of innocent civilians by suicide bombings). I must admit I am not up to speed on any crimes commited by the Israelis in this campaign but then with a media blockade I suppose it is hard to prove.

( I beg of you all to please pardon any spelling mistakes I may have made. Spelling has always been a weakness for me.)

 

kmguru

It just keeps getting bigger (think i will take out the last line and the one about the universe but the rest MUST stay)

Bubber

Don't worry about your spelling mines just as bad (if not worse)

Im not clear on your first statement. Do you mean that this is the way the world SHOULD be?

I sympathise with the Israils AND the palistinans (also the US AND the arabs and EVERYONE who lives in Northen Irland). There are people on BOTH sides who are more intereded in killing than peace and people on BOTH sides who feel there actions are the only way to protect themselves and there familys (these last group are who i feel sorry for)

I feel that a UN force who go in to force peace on BOTH sides is the only solution

 

Asguard:

My apologies for not being very clear. All I meant by my first statement was that it is all well and good to go around wishing that everyone would be nice to each other but the reality of the world is obviously quite different. Upon reflection, I believe I mis-interpreted your post as well wishing. Meaning you seemed to be saying that people are just bad and the only way to make any signifigant changes is to change the way people are. Maybe I misunderstood your point.

The UN will never be able to keep peace anywhere. They have no respect (especially from the arab states) and have not made a significant difference anywhere for quite a while. I believe Israel has the situation well in hand and providing they can continue without commiting any sort of war crime (and I believe they can, whether they will or not remains to be seen... They do seem to be a bit pissed and people are not always rational when they are pissed...) they should be left to resolve the situation on thier own.

BTW... I think it is a little hypocritical of Bush to tell the Israelis to stop what they're doing while we continue to fight our own battles to the same end.

 

I see BOTH of them as wrong. I just don't see how war will solve the issue. The English have tried it with Northen Irland and it failed.

I also feel sorry for people who feel the only way to help there people is to blow themselfs up. I don't think that it is your opinion but alot of people here have said that the arabs are animals who live only for war and thats just flat out wrong. It is why i have changed my sig like that. We are all one race and NO-ONE is a lost cause, NO-ONE is born evil, especially no RACE of people

 

Asguard:

We do seem to be, in large part, in agreement. I do disagree that war is never the answer to some of these problems. True that, mostly, there is little gain from a war. But what about the american revolution? Sometimes it is the only answer. Whether it is true in this case or not I really don't know. My understanding so far is that the insraelis were trying for peace and were consistenly the brunt of several attacks against civilians. How long can that continue with-out a response?? How long can you allow your population to be terrorized before you take action to stop it?? Peace was tried... Diplomacy was tried... What did it accomplish? More dead civilians.


BTW aint it a bitch that a spell checker is provided that doesn't work???

 

My problem can't be helped by a spell check because i am often to far away from the real spelling.

The problem with THIS war is that everytime an inocent dies you make there family and friends potential terrists too. Thats the problem with Irland

 

Which is exactly what Israel's incursions are accomplishing this time, as well.

Quite simply, Israel's strategy is not an effective one for stopping the suicide bombings. The occupied territories are not Afghanistan, and the suicide bombers are not Al-Qaeda, so the tactics used in Afghanistan will not work here.

In both instances, the stated goal was to demolish the infrastructure; to eliminate or reduce the ability to conduct further terrorist attacks. But in Al-Qaeda's case, the infrastructure was (relatively) sophisticated - an ability to manage finances, direct operations across international borders, detailed planning, etc.

In the situation in Israel today, the "infrastructure" is a few pounds of explosives, bus fare, and an embittered person willing to give up his or her life. A military assault can't destroy that infrastructure. Indeed, Israel's military assault probably strengthens that infrastructure by producing more embittered Palestinians.

Besides which, Sharon is doing much more than simply "rooting out terrorists." An overlooked incident was Israel's attack on the PA's Preventive Security Force's headquarters. The P.S.F. was one of the very few Palestinian forces not engaged in combat with Israel. Bush’s sudden reversal of position regarding Israel’s attacks is quite possibly due to the suspicion that Sharon is using the situation to dismantle the Palestinian Authority and overturn the Oslo Accords.

Peace.

 

Goofyfish

I think that the US's war is only creating more willing people to strike back against them. I keep saying this but no one lissons to that (i think thats about the 5th time i have expressed that opinion since i found this site)

 

Yes, you do keep repeating it.
What you do not says is how you would have the U.S. respond.

Peace.

 

I don't say that because i don't have an answer. I also keep pointing at Irland because its a VERY simalar situation.

If you want to know what i think might help then i say put all the money you are spending on the war into law inforcement and border control. They should IMEDIATLY review there foren policy so that its more world based insted of so self focused. I also think they shoul NOT pull out of all the treatys they have signed (bio weapon, Nuke and balistic missile treatys). They should start lissening to the UN when it condems there actions.

This just my opinion, take it how you like