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Tiassa
11-28-02, 06:48 AM
The latest grim news:

Attacks on Israelis in Kenya Kill 11 (Yahoo/AP) (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20021128/ap_on_re_af/kenya_israel_9) By LUBAINA KHER, Associated Press Writer

In simultaneous attacks on Israeli tourists in Kenya, a car bomb exploded at an Israeli-owned hotel on Thursday, killing 11 people, and at least two missiles were fired at — but missed — an Israeli airliner.

A green all-terrain vehicle packed with explosives rammed into the Paradise Hotel in Kikambala, 15 miles north of Mombasa, at about 8 a.m. just as a busload of Israeli tourists was checking in, witnesses said.

The blast ripped through the lobby, killing two Israelis, three bombers and six Kenyans, said Kenyan police spokesman Kingori Muanga. Most of the Kenyans were traditional dancers who were there to greet the tourists, said Abbas Gullet of the Kenyan Red Cross.

The Israeli government, however, said three Israelis were killed. About 80 other people were wounded, said John Sawe, the Kenyan ambassador to Israel.

At about the same time, two missiles streaked by a jetliner owned by the Arkia charter company as it left the Mombasa airport bound for Tel Aviv, the company said. The aircraft landed safely about 5 1/2 hours later in Tel Aviv.

None of the 261 passengers and 10 crew members were hurt, Israeli officials and TV reports said. Muanga said police were three suspects spotted about a mile from the airport in a white vehicle.

In the hotel attack, an all-terrain vehicle drove behind the bus carrying the Israeli tourists and slipped in the gate when guards opened it to admit it, Muanga said.

The blast set the building on fire, gutting it. An Associated Press reporter saw seven bodies burned beyond recognition. Rescue workers covered the bodies and searched for more casualties.

Yoav Biran, the Israeli Foreign Ministry's director general, said the death toll from the hotel attack could rise.

"We aren't sure this is the end, and there are quite a number of Israelis injured," Biran said.

There was no immediate claim of responsibility, but Sawe said he suspected Osama bin Laden al-Qaida network, which bombed the U.S. embassy in the Kenyan capital of Nairobi in 1998.

"I don't have any doubt this is al-Qaida," Sawe said.

Israeli Foreign Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Thursday that it was "quite possible" that al-Qaida was behind the attacks, but that Israel was also looking into other possibilities. He said he believed Palestinian militants have been trying to get shoulder-held missiles from Iran and the Lebanese guerrilla group Hezbollah.

Netanyahu called the missile attack "a very dangerous escalation of terror."

"It means that terror organizations and the regimes behind them are able to arm themselves with weapons which can cause mass casualties anywhere and everywhere," Netanyahu said. "Today, they're firing the missiles at Israeli planes, tomorrow they'll fire missiles at American planes, British planes, every country's aircraft. Therefore, there can be no compromise with terror."

The aircraft had just taken off from Mombasa airport when the pilot saw a flash of light to his left, said an Arkia official, Shlomo Hanael.

The pilot initially prepared for an emergency landing in Nairobi, Kenya, to check whether the plane was damaged, but after consultations with Israeli officials, it was decided to fly directly to Israel, Israel TV's Channel Two said. Hanael said there was no damage to the plane.

The Aug. 7, 1998, blast at the U.S. embassy in Nairobi killed 219 people — including 12 Americans — and wounded 5,000. A nearly simultaneous attack on the U.S. embassy in neighboring Tanzania killed 12 people and injured more than 80. The terrorists convicted in the attacks have been linked to the al-Qaida terror network.Hot off the wire. Details as it develops. Or something.

Have at it.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

Adam
11-28-02, 06:59 AM
Australia's embassy in Manilla has closed, and security guards have appeared everywhere in the last few days.

Joeman
11-28-02, 10:48 AM
Hell ya. There are Jews throughout Northern Africa. There are actually black jews in in case you don't know. I believe Sammy Davis is one of them.

airdog
11-28-02, 11:15 AM
Sammy converted to Judaism as an adult. He lost an eye when his car was forced off the road by a mob stooge working for whom, exactly I'm not sure. He was dating a white woman and I believe the message was basically to back off or lose the other eye. Was it Sam Goldwyn who was offended by Sammy's dating habits? I think that was the angle, but I've got to admit this is not an area of expertise on my part! I think Sinatra was outraged and took Sammy under his wing as a result of this...

WildBlueYonder
11-28-02, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by tiassa
There's Jews in Kenya?

Attacks on Israelis in Kenya Kill 11

Hot off the wire. Details as it develops. Or something.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:
The name for your thread & the actual posting is misleading; the terms "Israelis" & "Jews" are not interchangeable, they have two different meanings, while it's true that most Israelis are jews, most Jews are NOT Israelis, even in Africa.

Here's some links to Jewish-African history:
http://www.hebrewhistory.org/factpapers/africa19-III.html
http://www.hebrewhistory.org/factpapers/africa19-II.html#ch1
http://www.falasha-recordings.co.uk/teachings/ras.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/israel/familylemba.html
http://www.haruth.com/JewsSouthAfrica.html

Shalom y'all!!!

Vortexx
11-28-02, 04:11 PM
Well, apparently for suicide-bombers Jews and Israelis are interchangeable, and everything western white I am afraid....

Maybe all hardline fundamentalist jews and arabs should get together in a large football stadium and do a collective suicide bombing...

Not being part of the religious nutters, I trie to stay from the conflict, but now that so many muslim answer the call of Al-Quaida and bring blood on our doorstep (they blame the non-believers for their misarable lives instead of their own repressive leaders and backwards religion, you know, like a mad dog that bites the hand that feeds him), I think it is time we should give them Saudi's (they are kinda Taliban with too much western money in their pockets) a REVERSE OIL CRISE.

Meaning we take only oil and gas from Russia (our greatest ally in the upcoming wordlwide North vs south conflict!) and we have enough spare in Texas and the North Sea. This way they can practice their medieval practices in a medieval setting, namely in crappy cottages in the dessert, without western airco and other decadence that would be non-confirm their believes....

:D

Zero
11-28-02, 07:29 PM
Aye AYE, let's name the game "X-treme Football".:D

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WildBlueYonder
11-29-02, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by Vortexx
Well, apparently for suicide-bombers Jews and Israelis are interchangeable, and everything western white I am afraid....

Too true, we all look alike to them, I suppose?

For us in the West, we have a bigger problem, how can we tell the good muslims from the bad? And will they be able to live in peace with the West or is there supposed to be war with islam until all the world is muslim or until all the world is not?

Adam
11-29-02, 12:44 AM
I can't tell the difference between Bushy and Tim McVeigh. They all look alike to me. :p

Tiassa
11-29-02, 12:52 AM
A note about the title:

Some people at Sciforums have the misguided opinion that I somehow lack a sense of humor. This is inaccurate. However, it is fair to say that my sense of humor is, statistically speaking, somewhat morbid.

I would have said the same thing if this had happened in Rapid City ... There are Jews in Iowa?

Never mind.

Just ... talk about terrorism or whatever. That part of the discussion is moving along just fine.

My apologies ... I forgot that I shouldn't have a sense of humor. Abe Lincoln was right.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

Markx
11-29-02, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by tiassa
A note about the title:

Some people at Sciforums have the misguided opinion that I somehow lack a sense of humor. This is inaccurate. However, it is fair to say that my sense of humor is, statistically speaking, somewhat morbid.

I would have said the same thing if this had happened in Rapid City ... There are Jews in Iowa?

Never mind.

Just ... talk about terrorism or whatever. That part of the discussion is moving along just fine.

My apologies ... I forgot that I shouldn't have a sense of humor. Abe Lincoln was right.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:


Tiassa,
Wrong Crowd. :cool:
:p

prozak
11-29-02, 11:01 AM
What a spectacular suicide bombing! Jews originated in Ethiopia, as a mixture of native and non-native populations.

A good argument against race-mixing when you look at Israel, a state that is 80% Jewish and a nasty, criminal society that doesn't mind terrorizing its Arab population with US weapons until they rise up with what they have.

Adam
11-29-02, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by prozak
What a spectacular suicide bombing! Jews originated in Ethiopia, as a mixture of native and non-native populations.


Israelites, a Semitic people, apparently of nomadic origin, whose emergence in the Levant is identified with a shift of settlement at the start if the Iron Age (c. 1200 bc), when a new pattern of small villages dispersed in upland regions replaced the urban life of the Bronze Age. Explanations for this process range from the nomadic invasion thesis (derived from Biblical accounts in Exodus) to settlement of indigenous populations of nomads and brigands, to social revolution by the urban lower classes at the end of the Bronze Age. The Israelites' conquest of areas occupied by the Canaanites brought them into an ultimately successful conflict with the Philistines. The major building works carried out under the united kingdom belong to the reign of Solomon. The northern kingdom of Israel (see Samaria) was conquered by the Assyrians in the late 8th century BC, while the southern kingdom of Judah was reduced by the Babylonians in the early 6th century BC. See also Jerusalem.

Jerusalem, a city in the Judaean hills, Israel, which has been occupied for thousands of years and which has been excavated virtually continuously since the 1860s. Comparatively little remains of ancient Jerusalem, chiefly because of the repeated destructions suffered by the city (e.g. that of Titus in 70 AD) and later Byzantine and Islamic overbuilding. The first major construction at Jerusalem seems to have been the stone fortifications of the late Bronze Age. Jerusalem was captured by the Israelites under Davin in c.996 BC and extended to the north by Solomon, who built a temple and palace in an area later overbuilt by the Herodian temple platform, and by Hezekiah, whose water tunnel is still visible. Jerusalem was patronised by the Byzantine emperors beause of its Christian associations and by Islamic caliphs as a holy city. Most of the walls to be seen at Jerusalem are the work of Suleiman the Magnificent (1538-41 AD) on top of Herodian and Roman foundations, while the octagonal 'Dome of the Rock' (685-692 AD) is the most striking of the Islamic buildings in Jerusalem.

Canaanites, an ethnic group identified with the sophisticated urban civilisation of the Levant during the Bronze Age (see Hazor, Jericho, Lachish, Beit Mersim). The Canaanites were dislodged from much of their territory by the Israelites and Philistines, but much of their culture persisted among the Phoenicians.

Phoenicians, a Semitic people, the cultural heirs of the Canaanites, who flourished as traders from their ports of Byblos, Sidon, and Tyre during the 1st millennium BC. They are credited with the founding of Carthage and the invention of the alphabet.

Philistines, one of the Sea Peoples whose occupation of southern Palestine marks the beginning of the Iron Age in that region. The five chief cities of the Philistines (the 'Pentapolis') were Ashkelon, Ashdod, Gaza, Gath, and Ekron.

prozak
11-29-02, 11:21 AM
Is this supposed to be a counter argument?

Adam
11-29-02, 11:26 AM
Designation of the region in the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea, particularly Lebanon and Syria, but also for Greece, Turkey, Israel, and Egypt.

The word comes from French "lever"(English: to rise), and is an equivalent of the Arabic Mashriq, "the country where the sun rises".
The introduction of the word in world vocabulary came with the French mandate of Syria and Lebanon, which lasted from 1920 until the mid-1940s.


The Jewish people did not originate in Ethiopia.

WildBlueYonder
11-29-02, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Adam
The Jewish people did not originate in Ethiopia.
Not only that, but both claim the same "father" Abraham.


Originally posted by Tiassa
Some people at Sciforums have the misguided opinion that I somehow lack a sense of humor. This is inaccurate. However, it is fair to say that my sense of humor is, statistically speaking, somewhat morbid.
Thanks for the explanation, so don't you think it's ironic that they both use the word for peace in their respective languages for greetings? "Salaam" & "Shalom".

firdroirich
12-03-02, 11:38 PM
And Muslims & Catholics & Methodists & Apostolics & Shamans & many tribes worshipping many dieties. The list goes on.