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I want to take a tour around the mythology of the humours and see if any element of it can be applied to everyday life. First of all I want to make some swidt connection of whats gone on before re. astrology and the 4 humours prior to discussing them in a historical context.

I'll do it for whomever birthdayit happens to be...today is Louis Armstrong's. He was one of the greates t musicians..probably the greatest Jazz musician. So we'll take a look at Miles Davis and a few others to see whether they also require a fiery spontaneous, improvisational style. Jazz is nothing if not fiery in nature!

Move to Pseudoscience, please.

Okey doke...put it in the pseudo-intellectual forum. My mistake.

it all should be balanced

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Miles Davis..much more reflective (water) and less spontaneously jolly. Lots of pregnant pauses allowing the music to breathe.(air).

The 2nd (on the right) is Jimi Hendrix and I'm afraid, Drago, its far from balanced. Fire and Water are rooted in emotion whereas Air and Earth rooted in thought and rationality.

We'd expect most members here to do well in the earth and air dept. The more skeptical the better (with intuitive touchy feely paranormal types we'd expect the reverse). Any results wouldnt be blatantly obvious..its far too generalised. However if we totted up the results we'd be pretty confident of finding a correlation.

Back to Hendrix...there is no grounding in the Earth element (same with Marilyn Monroe). Not a good thing in my experience..no earth suggests a distinct lack of stability.

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This is a quite bizarrely unbalanced chart of a famous artist born today.

The oddness lies more in the lack of an element rather than the over emphasis. Fire is positive in a creative, resouceful, imaginative sense but tends to be self absorbed. We see similar features within Salvador Dali.

An absence of any Air element whatsoever can easily be found on the internet. Some are better than others ..heres an example of what to expect. Try checking it out with you own chart..is it balanced? are any elements absent? does any element prevail above the rest....you'll be amazed by its accuracy!

"Air is under-represented in your birth chart, with 0% instead of 25%, the mean. The Air symbolizes the values of communication, exchanges with others, but also the ability to be adaptable and flexible: the risk is for you to have real problems misunderstanding others if you don't get out of your shell to talk, to show interest in others, to socialize. Furthermore, because of your lack of flexibility or your refusal to adapt yourself, things can get too much for you. You should get into the habit of talking, phoning, thinking "mobility, flexibility, adaptability, change" in every circumstance. This will keep you sheltered from so many troubles!

It must have been very difficult for him to communicate with others and to break out of his shell. In a sense the Fire element helps him much moreso than a prevalance of other elements. He did possess some self belief and egotism so he forced himself to 'become a celebrity'. Interestingly he was fonder of using the phone as a means of communication than anything that was 'person-to-person'.

A fascinating chart.

you'll be amazed by its accuracy!

A fascinating chart.

:yawn:

Here we go.... lol

I mentioned humours in response to Billy's other post as a joke. But he's serious. What's next? Is the Earth flat?

I mentioned humours in response to Billy's other post as a joke. But he's serious. What's next? Is the Earth flat?

I wouldnt be surprised ;)

Billy, what instrument is used to measure the relative amounts of the humours in these celebrities?

Clapometer?

Billy, what instrument is used to measure the relative amounts of the humours in these celebrities?

The same as one used by a surveyor or a navigator.

A compass?

Maybe an E-meter from scientology!
http://contenderministries.org/scientology/emeter.jpg

More like this:

Http://sciforums.stryderunknown.co.uk/images/pke_meter.png
"Wow! There's real Astrology here, It's going off my meter!"

Stryder you changed, you used to be this cold all-knowing artificial intelligence 200 IQ dude ... now you actually have sarcasm. Very delightful.

Theres always a silver lining, drago!

A compass?

Try again, Q.

Try again, Q.

Eyes ? ;)

Stryder you changed, you used to be this cold all-knowing artificial intelligence 200 IQ dude ... now you actually have sarcasm. Very delightful.

Well you would of noticed in the Starwars universe their Artificial Intelligences would gain "quirks" over time, either the emergence of personality of a lot of buffer overflows corrupting their neural matrix requiring them to have a wipe ever now and then.

Eyes ? ;)

Warmer.:cool:

Back by public demand!!!

Please stop sending PMs asking where are thee Elemental Charts..they're right here, just needs the dust blowing off them and you can all peruse them at will and at leisure.

Errr..I try to tie things in with the forums odd obsessions so as Chris Hitchens has made an appearance it seems only fair to check him out..

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Its quite bizarrely unbalanced...so much so that it makes Andy Warhol seem relatively rational, ordinary and completly normal in comparison. I've really got to look at Hitchens more closely...Air and Fire aren't short of ego and neither is Hitchens.

After a rather over the top attack on Religion, we should note that he must stand alone as being one of the few Left Wing Trotskyites to support the Iraq War and proclaim that both President George Bush and PM Tony Blair are great Leaders.

...err some say he is a maverick...in other words he's completely bonkers! :p

Warmer.:cool:

Brains ?

Scientists and Astrology

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As we can see 'reasoning' of air and earth perdominate over the emotional fire and water

Whose chart is that ? Or was it an answer to my post ?

Warmer.:cool:

The 'third eye'?

Brains ?

I was going to say that too and then realized it only holds for the navigator and surveyor. :D

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the four humours of ancient Greek tradition Sanguine, Choler, Melancholy, and Phlegm?

As in phlegmatic. Yes.

Anyway I was reading about Anthony Hopkins and his unease of any social interactions, which is odd considering he's actually very interesting whenever I;ve seen him interviewed.

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Its quite normal for those with a lack of the air element to have trouble adapting

<< get out of your shell to talk, to show interest in others, to socialize. Furthermore, because of your lack of flexibility or your refusal to adapt yourself, things can get too much for you. >>

Similar to Andy Warhol..its not so much a dislike of social interaction but a distinct problem in adapting or even listening to others.

As in phlegmatic. Yes.
Phlegm being the humour, phlegmatic being the temperament.
So, are you discussing humours, temperaments, or elements?

I was going to say that too and then realized it only holds for the navigator and surveyor. :D

True.. so true :D

Phlegm being the humour, phlegmatic being the temperament.
So, are you discussing humours, temperaments, or elements?

All the charts are based on the elements.

The basics of the temperament can be gleaned from the elements. In other words this is the just the foundation of actually setting a chart. Once you add the aspects the planets make to each others then its more complex...its the embroidery on the cloth. First of all you choose your cloth

..a better analogy is the game of Cricket..the very basics are that the Team Capt. checks the field, the moisture of the air and other variables.

In the main most people have some balance in the elements. By choosing the most extreme examples it should be made crystal clear to those who aren't already blindfolded and cloth-eared.

All the charts are based on the elements.

The basics of the temperament can be gleaned from the elements. In other words this is the just the foundation of actually setting a chart. Once you add the aspects the planets make to each others then its more complex...its the embroidery on the cloth. First of all you choose your cloth

..a better analogy is the game of Cricket..the very basics are that the Team Capt. checks the field, the moisture of the air and other variables.

In the main most people have some balance in the elements. By choosing the most extreme examples it should be made crystal clear to those who aren't already blindfolded and cloth-eared.

Yeah, everything you said is crystal clear. :crazy:

I was talking to the organ grinder, Q.

Sad news today, that Tony Wilson died..a true larger than life character in every way. He was born just a few streets away from me but I only found out last year..he was 57 which is considerably older than myself.

Reading the Obits confirmed what I already knew and what is shown in the brilliant film '24 Hour Party People'..Wilson could turn a hand at most things but he was certainly no businessman. It was only when he got together with his partner ..an ex- Miss England..(Tony never did things by halves!) that she took control of the purse strings and brought home the bread.

How can you have several top selling No.1 albums and own the most famous club in the World and LOSE money. I suspected a lack of Earth (..practicality, groundedness, saving for a rainy day..caution).

He had plenty of egotistical dynamism...Air and Fire go together well...but only one planet in Earth.

Reading the Obits confirmed what I already knew

It's interesting how you allegedly "already knew" something after the fact.

I was talking to the organ grinder, Q.

That would fit your role as the marginally amusing little monkey. :)

Oh its Mr. Charm again.

lol your even stealing my jokes...think up your own, Zev.

It's interesting how you allegedly "already knew" something after the fact.

No I knew before I read the birthdate in the Obits, Q.

If you want to continue making a fool of yourself then please do so...somewhere else preferably.

Oh its Mr. Charm again.

lol your even stealing my jokes...think up your own, Zev.

Learn to punctuate, noob.
And I'm not a "Mr."
Perhaps you'd wouldn't be confused had your parents not been suffering from mosaicism, rendering you unable to tell the difference.

I only reply to rational posters..not rabid ones.

Next!

No I knew before I read the birthdate in the Obits, Q.

Oh, I can take your word for it, but you haven't demonstrated your word is worth taking, as yet. Considering it's the only thing you've offered, so far, without actually giving any credibility to it, I doubt anyone here will take it.

Just ask. :D

These humour things...
does anyone watch Avatar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatar:_The_Last_Airbender)?

Avatar: The Last Airbender takes place in a fantasy world, home to humans, fantastic animals, and supernatural spirits. Human civilization is divided into four nations, the Water Tribes, the Earth Kingdom, the Air Nomads, and the Fire Nation. Within each nation, an order of men and women called "Benders" have the ability to manipulate their native element. These Bending arts combine a certain style of martial arts and elemental mysticism. The Bending types are Waterbending, Earthbending, Firebending, and Airbending

Billy....is this where you are getting this?

I'm not familiar with "Avatar", Orleander.

Oh, I can take your word for it, but you haven't demonstrated your word is worth taking, as yet. Considering it's the only thing you've offered, so far, without actually giving any credibility to it, I doubt anyone here will take it.

Just ask. :D

Quite right..I wouldn't take the word of ANYONE on the Internet.

Quite right..I wouldn't take the word of ANYONE on the Internet.

Good. Then, you DO understand why no one takes your claims seriously.

No-one?

You blaggard! I take them very seriously indeed.

AH! So, you found someone, Congratulations!

Color me red.

He found himself... aww how cute :rolleyes:

Noone in their right mind would take a strangers word on anything, let alone the word of that stumbling half-wit.

Onwards and upwards...

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Alfred Hitchcock born today...joins an array of creative, egotistical fiery types in P.K Dick and Andy Warhol. I can't quite work out why these charts seem to be so fiery, if itwas THIS easy the evidence would be overwhelming. Maybe I'm just picking out the MOST charismatic and somehow charisma and fire go together hand in hand.

AH! So, you found someone, Congratulations!

Color me red.

Yes..I don't know how I found you but it was a lot easier than losing you.

Enmos ..ditto.

He found himself... aww how cute :rolleyes:

Noone in their right mind would take a strangers word on anything, let alone the word of that stumbling half-wit.

Oli's okay..just tends to repeat himself a lot. Presumably your his other half. :D

Oli's okay..just tends to repeat himself a lot. Presumably your his other half. :D

I meant you, you *** ! Not Oli.

Just checkin the birthday columns/anniversaries for today..a neat selection..from Fidel Castro to Bernard Manning to John Logie Baird and not to forget thee fairer sex..Annie Oakley..who again I don't know a great deal about biographically but yes...more fire!

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I meant you, you *** ! Not Oli.

Well you mentioned mentioned half wit so I presumed you meant him. Why not join forces and become a double act of half wits. :p

Well you mentioned mentioned half wit so I presumed you meant him. Why not join forces and become a double act of half wits. :p

This is way i called you a half-wit to begin with.. lol
You just proved me right ;)

In all seriousness this thread isn't going to go anywhere other than up in flames, so I'm closing it.
(Billy Chyldyshe, If you want to post your Astrology stuff why not get yourself a blog to do it on.)