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Ghost_007
12-31-06, 08:26 PM
The shame of punishment as pornography
By Sam Leith

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml;jsessionid=ZOWRBF25HFGUNQFIQMFCFFOAVCBQ YIV0?xml=/opinion/2007/01/01/do0102.xml

You can't beat a good hanging, eh? Ever since the first indications that Saddam Hussein would be hanged "sooner rather than later", the civilised world has taken on the aspect of an over-excited dog making love to a cushion. He's had his possessions sent on! He's been handed over to the Iraqis! Any second! Any second now! Come on... let's see that noose...

What we've been seeing over the past couple of days is the pornographisation of a judicial process. There's no question that Saddam's crimes were terrible. There's no question that, however jury-rigged the legal process by which he was held to account for them, it is proper that he was held to account. But our fever of excitement over that hempen rope is no more than the baying of a mob.

Why, for example, do we seem surprised that the Prime Minister didn't issue some statesmanlike pontification on the subject? What was he supposed to say? Would we have admired him for emerging from a Bee Gee's swimming pool to declare to camera, trunks still dripping: "Tee hee! Snappy-snap-snap went his horrid old neck. Goody gumdrops. I do hope it hurt"? Shades, there, of David Blunkett's uncharming announcement that he was planning to toast Harold Shipman's death with a bottle of bubbly.
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Mr Blair was right to stay silent. The announcement of the death sentence – one greeted, tellingly, with far less excitement than its physical enactment – was the political moment. The rest is theatre.

And, gosh, how we enjoyed it. The formula was unvarying. "All dignity lost," one or other news channel would intone, "the blood-soaked tyrant of Iraq died yesterday, reduced to the status of a common criminal." Aren't the assumptions underpinning that simply bizarre? It seems to suggest that a "common criminal" is a worse thing to be than a mass-murdering despot – that where he really got his comeuppance was in being taken down a peg or two and dying a chav.

And is it true that he lost all dignity? If we were honest, we'd admit that Saddam conducted himself on the scaffold with all the dignity he could be expected to muster. He refused a mask. He stood up straight. He went quietly and prayerfully to his death. Meanwhile, as a colleague points out, what was happening around him – even though the balaclavas were unavoidable – more closely resembled a gang of provos at work in an Armagh back-room than the sober unrolling of a sovereign state's judicial process. Let's not even begin to think about how these images will play with Saddam's Sunni supporters.

Yet editorials and news reports have jeered at Saddam's "stupidity", gloated over his "loss of dignity", and picked over with glee the details of how his guards kept him awake to tease and torture him. We've been hot to download videos and picture galleries of the dictator's last moments; amused to learn that he was denied a last cigarette.

Once we decided Saddam was a "monster" – a monster whom, let's not forget, the West for a long time supported in full knowledge of the nature of his regime – we gave ourselves permission to indulge the basest, most voyeuristic atavism. Cloaked in this murderous sanctimony, we join as one with the crowds who gather weekly in Teheran to enjoy watching criminals swing from a crane.

Nietzsche's warning that "he who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster" has seldom seemed more apt. The rhetoric of a war launched in the name of civilisation has degenerated into the cackling of a tricoteuse at the foot of the guillotine. We should be bloody ashamed.

As DH Lawrence argued, "pornography does dirt on sex". The same applies here. The pornography of death does dirt on life. And the pornography of punishment does dirt on justice.

spidergoat
12-31-06, 10:08 PM
I agree. It is shameful and deliberate.

Mahmud
12-31-06, 10:20 PM
i bet christians smiled when he was executed.

Prince_James
12-31-06, 10:44 PM
Indeed, we Christians (although I am not a Christian - I am simply a Westerner) had no problem watching him die.

We love to drink deep the blood of our enemies.

S.A.M.
12-31-06, 10:50 PM
Death always has a morbid fascination for people. Any accident site can bear witness to this.

Zakariya04
01-01-07, 09:22 AM
Indeed, we Christians (although I am not a Christian - I am simply a Westerner) had no problem watching him die.

We love to drink deep the blood of our enemies.

Happy New year PJ

I imagine a lot of muslims and other easterners had no problem watching him die either.

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Zak

Fraggle Rocker
01-01-07, 10:52 AM
There was a time when executions were public spectacles and sex was private. Now in the West it's the other way round. Public sex is becoming more common, especially among the youngest generation. Filmed sex has been available since the early days of film, but it is now a larger industry than mainstream movies.

Killings are the tabu now. The published videos of murders by Islamic terrorists are not widely shown here. For the most part even the fans of simulated war, murder and execution as entertainment draw the line at the real thing.

Sex is normal and healthy. People killing each other is not. We seem to have our priorities straight.

Sepulchrave
01-02-07, 04:26 PM
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Nietzsche's warning that "he who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster" has seldom seemed more apt. The rhetoric of a war launched in the name of civilisation has degenerated into the cackling of a tricoteuse at the foot of the guillotine. We should be bloody ashamed.


Who the fuck is "we"? Saddam was tried and executed by arabs. He was jeered at and filmed by arabs. Arabs decided to execute him at the start of eid as a 'gift' to the Shiites he persecuted.

§outh§tar
01-02-07, 04:29 PM
I think Jesus said 'He who lives by the sword dies by the sword'.

Coolies!
01-02-07, 04:45 PM
They shouldn't have killed him cos now more violence will erupt and he would have suffered more in prison (not torture or anything just banged up no comforts like all criminals deserve). I can't believe (is it the Sunies that followed him) defended him when he killed so people.He was an evil dictator but he only went after certain muslims how can any of them stand back and say its alright to kill their own people. Whats the difference between the shiites and Sunies anyway? Just like Catholics and protestants in Northern Ireland, hardly anything probabley.

Johnny Bravo
01-03-07, 09:50 AM
We love to drink deep the blood of our enemies.

Bullshit!
You wouldnt last a day in war..your more than likely afraid to walk down most street's in your hometown.

Buffalo Roam
01-03-07, 10:45 AM
Saddam recieved the trial he deserved and the punishment called for under the Koran, and Sharia" Law, so what's the problem?

Zakariya04
01-03-07, 10:55 AM
Saddam recieved the trial he deserved and the punishment called for under the Koran, and Sharia" Law, so what's the problem?

Happy new year Buffalo,

I hope all goes well with you and that your Christmas and New Years was good.

I like the bit you have written and which i have highlighted in red and made bigger, very good buffalo.

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take care
zak

Buffalo Roam
01-03-07, 11:39 AM
Thank you Zak, I was wondering why no one else pointed this out?

Zakariya04
01-03-07, 11:47 AM
Thank you Zak, I was wondering why no one else pointed this out?

well i have no sympathy for man who destroyed a country with so much true potential in every sense of the word. Iraq had great people, like scientists etc, great institutions and loads of history and culture. Loads of resources and so on and so forth, all lost becuase of Saddams lust for power and Boasts!

The trial was bullshit but who cares, Saddam was an evil mas murderiong basrtard, who was guilty as fuck anyway.

Mind you it would have been better if he had an ever lasting punishment till natural death, somehting like eating Ice Cream from a cactus stick in the midle of the desert,

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take care
zak

Buffalo Roam
01-03-07, 11:49 AM
Hay Zak, I like your Idea, it rate's right up there with being covered with honey and then staked to a ant hill. Lol.

Zakariya04
01-03-07, 12:15 PM
Ha ha ha thats a good one too buffalo.

Tazmaniac
01-03-07, 09:25 PM
I think Jesus said 'He who lives by the sword dies by the sword'.
Whoever said that it is true... almost always, though many innocent people are killed by the sword too.

Tazmaniac
01-03-07, 09:26 PM
well i have no sympathy for man who destroyed a country with so much true potential in every sense of the word. Iraq had great people, like scientists etc, great institutions and loads of history and culture. Loads of resources and so on and so forth, all lost becuase of Saddams lust for power and Boasts!

The trial was bullshit but who cares, Saddam was an evil mas murderiong basrtard, who was guilty as fuck anyway.

Mind you it would have been better if he had an ever lasting punishment till natural death, somehting like eating Ice Cream from a cactus stick in the midle of the desert,

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take care
zakI agree, Iraq had a lot of good brain, some I see in US (immigrants) now.

cato
01-03-07, 09:42 PM
I agree with Sepulchrave. I had no desire to see it. I changed the channel every time they talked about it. it was not the west who videotaped his killing.

I disdain people lumping me into some "western" demographic. if you want to understand the "west," stop watching MSNBC, CNN, or whatever other news organization. the news organizations race each other into the gutter trying to get the most provocative story that people can stomach because people who want news will watch anyway, and the non-news-watchers out there will only turn in if it is an overly sensational story.

madanthonywayne
01-03-07, 11:17 PM
Saddam got exactly what he deserved. One thing I'll say for him,though, is he seemed to take it like a man. It's the only time I felt any respect for him.

Buffalo Roam
01-03-07, 11:34 PM
Yes he went out like a man, If you have to go do it with dignity.

spidergoat
01-03-07, 11:46 PM
I think Jesus said 'He who lives by the sword dies by the sword'.

Who said dead men tell no tales?

Zakariya04
01-04-07, 01:53 AM
Saddam got exactly what he deserved. One thing I'll say for him,though, is he seemed to take it like a man. It's the only time I felt any respect for him.

Hey MadAnthony,

Hows it going?

Agreed, he appeared to at least take it on the chin

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take care
zak