The older I get the more I realize the world is full of anger, despair, pain, misery, jealousy, hate, and death. I know these aspects of life have existed since the beginning of time but I can only truly know what does or doesn't exist through experiencing it. I just can't grasp why mankind hasn't realized that we are destroying ourselves. Survival of the fittest and most destructive doesn't have to apply. It is just illogical. Can anyone tell me why man is so self-destructive? Why people hate? Why greed controls and ruins lives? We are the most advanced and self-destructive creatures on Earth. Why are we not adapting to make the next generation better? Insanity. I want answers.

Because most people don't want answers.

BECAUSE they are waiting for you to lead them.... are you up to it?

Can anyone tell me why man is so self-destructive? Why people hate? Why greed controls and ruins lives? Because, whether we want to admit it or not, our very existence controls and ruins us. Because life is painful and harsh. We are trapped. The very fact of our existence, on this planet, under these skies, breathing, eating, sleeping, getting older, dying, is a constant reminder that each of us is losing a battle against something that we have no control over: death. We are afraid. We can't fight it. We can't flee from it. We get confused and try to strike back, illogically and emotionally. As to why we are illogical and emotional, well, that is just another element of this existence that we have very little if any control over. We are afraid that we have no answers, and we are right. We don't. So we get angry, self-destructive, hopeless. What the hell, we are all gonna die.
I want answers.So do I. :(

i sees it like this. it is the stories we have TOLD to us, frm when little etc, AND
theses stories/myth become interior-ized in us/we believe we are the originators of them

the reason we ARE told these stories/myths by te tradition we fihd ourselves in is for deliberate social control

a power-base elite wants to KEEp that power base. wants to keepits money, and its cushy life style. so in order to do rhis it needs hierarchy

how hewy do this is through MYTH---written down myth. Druscilla French wrote a really great dissertation revealing the tactics of all this titled The Power of Choice (i believe you can download it online)---she shows how throug the ages the patriarchy have maintained the indoctrination via literary rtechniques in mythology, religious text, fiarytales, all forms of literature, Frued, Jung, Joseph Campbell----she takes no prisoners!

so if you are serious in really investigating about our dire situation on planet Earth, it is MYTH you need to look at

oh---and btw, as much as her essay is brilliant, i feel she is not as savvy when lookingat Eastern forms of same indoctrination. fortey too create this fer of Nature. for example, Buddhism with its desire to lave the 'wheel of death and birth', Hinduism with its dreams of everlsting bliss, etc

in our secular world we have its central social-conrolling mental illness myth. This alsoISV I T A L to look t. howefve much it may disturb you. i WILL disturb you caus as said it is THE central myth of the paradigm we are in

(have to go. will continue in this really honest, and, interesting thread later)

WHY ismyth of mental ilness so vital to look at?

cause its oppression, and belief in it continues maintaining the materialistic philosophy which is our paradigm.
this means that ANY dissent from the paradiigm can be caled 'mental disease' by tose who help maintain the paradigm/worldview

so, say you Kamakazic when to the doc and told him you were very dstressed by thw worldsituation etc. do you feel he/she would feel empathy and give you tim for along honest discusion about it. moslt likely he'd recommend you take some pills/atidepressants, or whatnot. for this is how tis mindwet works. it creates a myth of 'normalcy'/'correct chemical balance' and any deviation frpm tis myth is considered mental illness. bu bum...sorted!

in the previous paradigm of religion/christianity, dissent was called 'heresy' and/r 'demon possession', for which you could get exiled or murdered by the Church/State

so do you see how the same oppression is maintained thru so-called changing paradigms??

coming back to our time. of bleedin COURSE there is enormous distress about what is happening in the world and To our planet. but the maintainers of their power structure want to medicate these emotions away

wherewas i say. ENCOURAGE them. FEEL what pain you are feeling about whats going on, and explore and ACT, and share wit others so as to encourage them to do same

and to DIE tryin'!

I hear you duendy. I don't like it, though, because I want there to be help for what I am suffering from, and I am suffering. However, I will concede to you that none of the medicines I have tried yet for depression have done much if anything to help me. In fact, I quit taking all of them last november just to give myself a new reference point to start fresh from. I will try a new drug (for me) next month though. The results of that may determine a lot for me. I don't know.

Deep down, though, I think I am just so tired of this existence that nothing is going to help much. Lifestyle change, new meds, new diet, new girlfriend, kids, whatever, I don't think I am going to be able to get too excited about life again. I just don't have the flame anymore. Burned out several years ago. Maybe I'm just saying this now because I am tired. I don't know. Tomorrow's a new day. We'll see. :)

I hear you duendy. I don't like it, though, because I want there to be help for what I am suffering from, and I am suffering. However, I will concede to you that none of the medicines I have tried yet for depression have done much if anything to help me. In fact, I quit taking all of them last november just to give myself a new reference point to start fresh from. I will try a new drug (for me) next month though. The results of that may determine a lot for me. I don't know.

Deep down, though, I think I am just so tired of this existence that nothing is going to help much. Lifestyle change, new meds, new diet, new girlfriend, kids, whatever, I don't think I am going to be able to get too excited about life again. I just don't have the flame anymore. Burned out several years ago. Maybe I'm just saying this now because I am tired. I don't know. Tomorrow's a new day. We'll see. :)
reading that i got this shiver all over.
Your honesty knocks me out. i have eclectic taste in music--VERY--but the music that really is like a root music for me is te BLUES. cause its so honest. it says what i means honest. and thats what i fel about you. it is SOOO fukin important and real. more so tan anythin i reckon

i could now --regarding what you imply about despair--try and 'save you'. i hope you donttake what i may say next (don know meself yet) as me being patronizing. i know the despair you talk about too, as i am sure Kaz does etc. i am just exploring about it

i think of the situation for many many many many ,any people now is the crushing of spirit!.....so fukin brutal it dont bear tinking about. and you know what is even morrre insidious. many cant even VOICE there pain. there is no...means of expressing their pain. this is cause of te set-up/ the system iself

so cuttin to the chase, what do i feel is a wayto resolving this dispiritedness?

exploring about the prison house all around which is built by oppressive myths. see ing it, facing it. efen if it means a group of te zombies cursin you tellin u yer fukin mad and need 'help' u arry on kinda thing

and as well as, psychedelic inspiration!

and that psychedelic inspiration's set and setting is gonna be complete abandon to ecstatic expression

why?

cause we are told not to by the oppressors. they want us to be mind-controlled. they dont want us exressing emotions. its a danger to theirhold on our minds. so i wanna explore what THEy are fearful of. cause i have got hint

and CENTRA to this exploration is deep love and respct for Nature

as HUUUGEprt of our despair i reckon is the subjugation of Nature and our interelation with it

i'll leave it there fo now

Ah, but Duendy... the 'oppressors' as you call them are they not also human? Are they not also of human nature?

me))))of course the 'oppressors' are human. and good you mention tis to get it right. when i say'oppressors' is kind ofislike creating a 'them' isn;t it. a scapegoat?...so we have to be careful of this, causescapegoating is always a bum deal. it is a clique who create an 'enemy' who they imafgine getting rid of will make them 'pure'/keep them 'pure'. right?
but we know that we have the powers that be, AND the many who vote for them. and that the latter are duped cause the game is...it isn't MEANT to change. you with me??
now'scapegoat' whats the roots of this thang? THE most plausibale explantion i'v read to date is amngst others from Dan Russell in his book Shamanism and the Drug
Propaganda. to try and summarize. there is the 'pharmakon'= psychedelic sacrament and 'pharmakos' = sacrifice
Now if you understand that comjunal expression of emotions wit aid of a psychedelic sacrament is primeval. and that when tis becomes prohibited, in its place is substituted a 'scapegoat/sacrifice' which then is supposed to act as the resolver of community tensions. but it neve can. because these frustrated emotins are deep withing every individual hence the need o have free access to ecstasy via sacrament and/or dancing, chantin--any means to let OUT energies, rigidities. but we rather have been led to believe we need sacrificial VICTIMS. thew whole literalist tale of 'Jesus Christ' is this. he becomes NOT the pharmakon but the pharmakos
so it seein this. YES we ARE oppressed. alright the may be human but theones right at the top who can create propgnda for war, and destroy ature, 'etc' are DE-humanized. have lost teir soul/feeling in their greed for more power and control

The system is just as normal, or abnormal what difference does it make, as the oppressors are human as human nature is a system as the system is human nature. Bah.
is it 'normal' to pollute Nature for millions of years. whic is what the oppressors are doing in their wars now. using depleted uranium tipped weapons. is it natrual to destroy NATURE? what do u say?

and as well as, psychedelic inspiration!

and that psychedelic inspiration's set and setting is gonna be complete abandon to ecstatic expression
Duendy, can you clarify and expand on the above? I'm not quite getting what you are saying. Thanks.

Duendy, can you clarify and expand on the above? I'm not quite getting what you are saying. Thanks.
Okay, but realize i am in the midst of exploring about all this myself...

in my researches which have been inspired by psychedelic experiences, pain, despair, te searching to know, find an answer to all the troubles for me nd as i see it for many people in the world including other species, Natre itself...'ect', tis inspired me to try look t the roots of it all, s well as i can

a book which inspired tis also was Allegro's The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, a most amaaazin and very controversial book--to this day. John Allegro inspired me to see mythology differently than i had done so before reading it. ie., i came to see mthology was a collection of literary devices, such as transliteration, metaphor, allusion, wordplay, pun--using old dead languages for putting tother words and themes fpr ther sories etc etc

A;so through him and other influential people like Gordan Wasson (he was first white dude to discover about Indigenous use of psilocybin mushrooms in 1950s) etc i came to realize the centrality of psychedelic sacraments in mythology...going way back into primeval times

Now, Allegro shows how Dionysianism also used a psychedelic sacrament. herbs including psychdelic fungi in wine (as did early Christians!)

Now sometime back i read a very eye opening article about how Classic Dionysianism has been reformed by Orphism (i will try get you URL of this essay as it is crucil for a more in-depth explanation of what you are asking (its very complex what you ask )

to summarize: before the reforms the way the bacchantes (folllowers of Donysos) took the sacrament as a CELEBRATION of Nature. tis is really really important to note, as you'll see

A celebration of Nature and body and of corse the dynamic PROCESSof Nature. including life and death and regeneration

the reformers of this were the Orphics. aparenelty a more philosophical branch that happeed within theopen umbrella of Dionysianism. The latter had a more open interpretation of teir ecstasies....but the Orphics began to write things down creating dogma (bear wqith me on tis Cotton. i cant just give u a superficial answer)---the essencewof their dogma was the pycholgical splitting of Nature from 'spirit'. they tamed the wilder 'orgia' of te more anceint Dionysian rituals eventually diluing th scrament and then not using it at all. andtheir rituals were NOT celebratory but 'katharsis'--ie., they interpeted it that man had 'fallen' thru eating meat etc and tus was impure and tus needed to get 'pure' via their 'purification rituals'

part 2 follows

I'm still reading. This is interesting. Whenever you have the time, I'd like to see part 2.

ie., what tey did was to create a shism for theselves and for other they have indoctrinated thru te ages between conepts of 'pure' vs 'impure'!
their saying was 'soma sema' translated as 'the body, a tomb'. so they in other words creatd te dogm that we were prt 'Titanic'/of the earth and bad, and part 'Dionysos' which they saq as a 'divine spark'/our supoosed real selves which was trapped in the body and Nature, and thru teir rituals could be rleased ad go back home to the 'pure spiritual source'. they also dogmatized about reincarnation. which meant that tis purification MAy have to take lifetimes.

Ophism was the first mystery/mystical sool in the West, and isobviously influenced by Indian metaphysical philosophy, particulary the Upanishads

(if there s any thing u dont understand. ask. cause doing so also helps me....and btw in the break i looked for te article andits fukin disappeared!!)

Orphism was a huge influence on Christianity. and you can see it. we have the idea of sex as sin, and the need tobecome tese good little sheep for Jesus. a dude who never had no sex. well thats theliteralist story anyhow

so we hae to understand that major transition from a celebraoty fom os spiritual ecstatic experience to the guilt-ridden oneof self-renunciation and feelings of being unclean etc etc. what do you think?

so how has all that translated into tese materialistic times where 'spirit' is not even considered and 'God' is dead etc?

well they modify the oppression dont tey. NPW any ...ANY emotions not considerdfor the good of production and furtherence of frantic progress are deemed meaningless and if unacceptable, mentally ill.

all meaning has been replaced by THEIRmeaning, which is busy busyness, ad consumerism, and believing their hype about what asuccesful life is.....meanwhil deep meaning, which is what we need is severely cntrolled. ecstasy is not encouraged. tis is why i am encouraging it

but, to explore te courage to really let go. we really need to see through the mental illness myth. cause this insidious myth inhibits us at every turn. even wit ourselves. we dont wat to seem weird.....and ecstatic abandon is what it says. a total letting go of all suppressed emotion

will leave it there for now

feedback and ideas?

Kamazazicz,
You shouldn't assume it's always been this way everywhere.

Kamazazicz,
You shouldn't assume it's always been this way everywhere.
how do you KNOW this??

ooops sorry spidergoat. thought youd said the opposite. i misread. sorry to assume you'd say that.......

Because people are Cowards and are scared to fight against evils like Buddha1. They think ignoring such problems will solve them.

Because people are Cowards and are scared to fight against evils like Buddha1. They think ignoring such problems will solve them.

ANOMOLOUS, I thought you were still banned. Go away.

ANOMOLOUS, I thought you were still banned. Go away. Who me Anonymous ? No way.

Duendy, you've made me think (and squint a little :) ). I am tired though, not given to deep thought at the moment. Are you saying to get high, get screwed by a wonderful woman (or man) under the stars in a field? :m:

Duendy, you've made me think (and squint a little :) ). I am tired though, not given to deep thought at the moment. Are you saying to get high, get screwed by a wonderful woman (or man) under the stars in a field? :m:
hahahaha..i know, i am trying to fill u in with years of what i've been exploring meself......and answer to second question is Y E S hehe, and also feeling sexual feel of stars and field too...the whole erotic 'field', as it were......
Celeeeebraaatin life d'youll.....

You know, shrooms are one of the drugs I've never tried. Maybe I missed the boat going the pot/coke route? I definitely like the sex under the stars aspect of your guidance. Now, if only I could find a good local counselor. Hehe. The getting high part, I think about almost everyday, though I haven't done anything in months. Would be a wonderful way to go out, though, wouldn't it? Don't worry, I'm not ready to go out just yet. :)

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You know, shrooms are one of the drugs I've never tried. Maybe I missed the boat going the pot/coke route? I definitely like the sex under the stars aspect of your guidance. Now, if only I could find a good local counselor. Hehe. The getting high part, I think about almost everyday, though I haven't done anything in months. Would be a wonderful way to go out, though, wouldn't it? Don't worry, I'm not ready to go out just yet. :)
pot's fine, as longas not abused too much--tho same goes fo nything doesn't it------coke? well its a refined drug isn't it. and it is really yer urban-like drug. for mad socializing type of stuff. also you can get a big hole in yu nose too. i woould rathe recommend cocoa LEAF if yu has to

you know, he ote day i happened upon tis blog about Albert Hofmann's 100th birthday. He gave also gave lectures at his Symposium. in reading the reponses to i from others, this person said how she had been really intrigued where he had said how we must explore observing Nature with LSD, and how she had never heard this emphasized before
reading tis gave me a kundalinii-trill all over, cause it is what i go on abou. and LSDwas THE very litte first psychedelic i had when 15 which DIDturn m completely on to Nature. so , if you feel me---reading that was like really meaningful to me, in so many ways

He, also like, me--and others of course--is VERY aware of te urgency for people to understand the wonder of Nature in deepening ways. for really we all have been more and more become divorced from Nature....esstranged is a good word

at that early age of 15, and wit hindsight, i realize how much i had been estranged from it. dulled to it. and psychedelics opened that door agin.

You sound like you are happy duendy, for the most part. I hope you are, but with my experience with drugs, they only make things worse for me. I love watching the stars at night, watching the birds fly about in the mornings, watching my dogs play in the back yard, seeing the leaves change colors in autumn, but they don't change my overall feeling that there is no point to my life. I just hang on, hoping that something major will change this. Maybe someday.

You sound like you are happy duendy, for the most part. I hope you are, but with my experience with drugs, they only make things worse for me. I love watching the stars at night, watching the birds fly about in the mornings, watching my dogs play in the back yard, seeing the leaves change colors in autumn, but they don't change my overall feeling that there is no point to my life. I just hang on, hoping that something major will change this. Maybe someday.
I am curious ---and you don't have to answer about this if you feel not to. You say you've been in the armed forces? and i remember you saying the other day about how your fitness lvels have gone down. is tis anything to do with unknown illnesses post-yourservice?

about Nature, and how you DO observe it yet still feel te blues wont let u go.

can you ---are you aware where tis sadness is coming from?

you ask if i am happy?

i am open to te labyrinth of potential spiralling emotions...heh

ie., sometimes i can feel SO despairing its turns into fukin comedy. and is it ay wonder in this world???????
BUt i also am aware of tis ongoing passion to try find out why which where we have gotten INTO this mess. that i see as a mess. some will swear blind everythings jest hunky dory
i dont WANT to get rid of tese depairings, nor of other emotions. for a think that it is really important T feel. that that is what we are being denied. for when somat wrong you gotu feel its wrong aint you?

Actually, the only illness I have is the depression, which started my freshman year at west point (the u.s. military academy). I was first treated for it my junior year (3rd year) there. I don't think I have any of the things associated with the depleted uranium shells, or anything like that. No Desert Storm Syndrome or anything. Nothing physical, except headaches. I think the depression comes from just seeing how harsh life can be. I'm just sick of our American society. The things society as a whole seems to value. I don't want any part of it (except the internet, I guess). It just seems like everyone is toiling along and ignoring all the important things. I don't know.

i FEEL you!
it's like a sense of aloneless--a feeling that all the milling about frantic people, all over are on some fukin trip that you canot dig at ALL. in fact it seems like utter madness

this rminds me of Kamakazic's feelings where she or he 'wants answers' to:
'Can anyone tell me why man is so self-destructive?

Why people hate?

Why greed controls and ruins lives?

Why are we not adapting to make te next generation better?

ok, lets ry and explore these questions...
why is man so self-destructive?

would a person be if they were also having access to springs of real joy i wonder? is it guilt that keeps a person from allowing themselves to let go? is it cause they have been drilled that they and teirlives aremeaningless and that they are mere glorified machines/computers. and that when they is dead that is it. soooo grab what ya can. and live on in your 'success'--ie., what money and possession u pass on to your family?
so is the self-destructiv part a real clue that all that is't enuf? that we are missing someting deeper thans being let on?.....how many people are on so-called 'meds'. you said it yourself Cottontop. you sai 'i have an illness'---ie., they tell you that if you are desperatly unhappy you have 'clinical depression'. tis is outright lie--a myth. and i will challenge it till the cows come home. cause it is an evil lie. it is completely insidious. even more so than te social-controlling tactics of th Churchian times. and thats saying someting. i m not saying people dont FEEl despir. i am saying that the culture which then claims it is a disease and they have pills to 'cure' it without addresing the actual OPPRESSION OF the culture is truly insidious.
when they take all meaning away we want to die. they have taken away the freedom to our land, what we can ingest, ecstasy. made us guilty via their myth. now it is 'success' isn' it? would u say this is the main guilter? whethe one's a 'winner' or a 'loser'
we must get clues from the youth. cause teir actions speak VERY lud cause thewy is all fresh to te game. may feel very unhappy and self harm and so on. you'd ask them. would they know?...they may say verythings fukin boring, and they'd be right. ie., meaning's gone/ its al shoppin !..its al grim faced suits runnin round doing us up. no control over our lies whatsoever. except witin their remit. theire boundary. which is very very narrow the less money you have

Yeah, it's so sad that kids have to lose their innocence and joy and curiosity. I was so happy as a kid, for the most part. Everything was exciting and new. I always wanted to go play in the woods or make an ant farm or play in the dirt or climb a tree. Holidays were looked forward to. Now, it seems like I've explored all I want to. There is nothing left to be curious or excited about. It's time to move on, but to what?

Edit: Sorry duendy, I'm not really "into it" today. I should be giving you more, but I'm just not up to it. I'm like that at times. Please understand.

Yeah, it's so sad that kids have to lose their innocence and joy and curiosity. I was so happy as a kid, for the most part. Everything was exciting and new. I always wanted to go play in the woods or make an ant farm or play in the dirt or climb a tree. Holidays were looked forward to. Now, it seems like I've explored all I want to. There is nothing left to be curious or excited about. It's time to move on, but to what?

me))tell me. when was te last time you had a TRip, and what was it like?
i know exactly what you mean. how tings become dulled.it happened to me.
when a tiny kid i was really into ature--in a rather 'magica' waytoo---maybe most kids are. i remember when about 5-6 on my own intitiative deciding to make a fairy garden. loved fairy books about woods ad magical shit happnin...loved being in Nature. but i sense tis got dulled for me. mum was a club kind ofperson--bright lights big city, and she was biget influence on me---plue school. school woulddull ANY fuker--ight?
i stated gettin hard faced. throwing litter,not giving a shit about our garden--ie., after my grampa died, i'd helped him as a kid, but when he ded when i was 11, i just let garden go. i loved ANything about big cities. raffic u neame it. so u can see i was getitin more and more dulled to Nature right. as i said LSD totally turned all tat out! totally
wasn't all to 'lived hapily ever after' have been thru many hells too. cause whatever---the oppressive shit dont go knowere. the machine is ll round. deSIGNED TO dulla ya. make NO fukin mistake. it donna want you gettin into Nature...HAH! oh no

Edit: Sorry duendy, I'm not really "into it" today. I should be giving you more, but I'm just not up to it. I'm like that at times. Please understand.
i am not expecting friend, seriously...just let me ramble on, tho with passion o' course heh



second question of Kamakazi is

why do people hate?

theres a Freench film releasded few yews back called La Haine...meaning 'te hate' all bout youth growing up in French ghetts. great film
i see it a lot with youths where i live. many will spit and look bad at people. specially outsiders. you hear of terrible violence people do to each other, and animals. cant bear reading the latter

we see right the smiling shil dont we. all open and full of the joys of spring and then same child can become the snarling teenager and then viscious repressed cold men adult and 'worse'----why?
again. ACTUA oppression all round. our society denies THA, oh yeah. they always blame individual. they 'need help' meaningpychological help etc. but never explore roots
and i am feeling the roots is oppression suppression and repression.....deniedn meaning, freedom, including freedom for ecxstasy-without-guilt BREEDS hate

If a man can choose life or death he can choose to make his environment and world a better place. Word of mouth is going to be the eye opener. Change occurs through action. I will definitely step up my game as far as spreading the word of self-destruction. Join me. God Bless.

ok there was this science experiment. They attach this wire to one section of a mouse's brain, and the wire is connected to a switch if the mouse touch the switch he will get instant pleasure and after that he get extremely tired. Guess what? well in the end the mouse killed himself by pressing the switch many times to get high!
This proves that animals get bored easily, we are high level animals, but still animals so we get bored. It is our nature to be greedy evil and mean, and when we reality being good and virtous is boring we'll start to be evil! yeah evil rule!