You can thank Orac for turning me on to this site (http://www.lifetechnology.org/index-3.html). This is the most woo filled site I've ever laid eyes on and is a goldmine for laughs and the occasional reductio ad absurdum.

Funny site, have you been here...

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCcQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.venganza.org%2F&ei=7CZqTtiWNYTv0gHxh4SaBQ&usg=AFQjCNEU4dqm4sEmKuGr2o3Sqk06WWphfQ

Ah yes, the FSM. I prefer the Church of Google (http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/) or the Cult of the Giant Space Duck who shall crush the nonbelievers beneath his webbed foot!

This is the funniest....

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=y8j&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=science&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=10072l18247l2l19236l25l12l16l1l6l0l206l1156 l1.5.1l7l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1024&bih=659&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi#um=1&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=d9j&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=science+big+bang&oq=science+big+bang&aq=f&aqi=g2&aql=&gs_sm=e&gs_upl=6385l9003l0l9226l10l9l0l0l0l2l194l1350l2.7l 9l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=ac3fe364e757c609&biw=1024&bih=659

Because you're ignorant?

Because you're ignorant?

No, because it is an added simplicity, an easy way out from way before science had evolved properly.

Wrong again.

Because you're ignorant?

do you think the big bang created space or was there space that the big bang filled ? How could there not be something beyond the big bang ? Nothingness is so hard to imagine . I can see why the zero is a relatively new invention. It is easy to imagine when you don't have something like an apple , but a complete lack of anything at all anywhere is terribly hard to imagine . You got anything on that ? I know google is my friend . I was hoping by know you might be a little friendly . Have a drink of Me maple water . It is a little sugary.

do you think the big bang created space
Yes.


or was there space that the big bang filled ?
How could there be?


Nothingness is so hard to imagine
No it's not. Imagine a horse, nothing BUT a horse. Then take it away. ;)


but a complete lack of anything at all anywhere is terribly hard to imagine
I never had problems with it.


You got anything on that ?
On what?

[QUOTE=Dywyddyr;2812742]Yes.


How could there be?


No it's not. Imagine a horse, nothing BUT a horse. Then take it away. ;)


that is like the apple , there is still space . Take the space away and what do you have . Describe for me would you . If the big bang creates space what is beyond that space . You think there are other big bangs we can't perceive because of a fish bowl effect of our own big bang ?

that is like the apple , there is still space
Not if you imagine the horse without any space. :p


If the big bang creates space what is beyond that space
Excellent question. We don't know. (There's a thread on it somewhere - try searching for "outside the universe")


You think there are other big bangs we can't perceive because of a fish bowl effect of our own big bang ?
And because, by definition, they'd be separate universe.

Not if you imagine the horse without any space. :p


Excellent question. We don't know. (There's a thread on it somewhere - try searching for "outside the universe")


And because, by definition, they'd be separate universe.

We don't know.. fail. If you don't know, then you haven't imagined anything. You have come up with something that doesn't work.

We don't know.. fail.
Wrong.


If you don't know, then you haven't imagined anything.
Imagining is NOT knowing.


You have come up with something that doesn't work.
Nope, that's your speciality.

Not if you imagine the horse without any space. :p


Excellent question. We don't know. (There's a thread on it somewhere - try searching for "outside the universe"/


And because, by definition, they'd be separate universe.

What if they bleed into each other like color mixing or individual frequencies of sound does . That could account for some of the missing ? Energy ? I don't know what to call it ?

An exchange ? Or going to , Drawn to ? Don't know ? A speeding up expansion is perplexing also . Are you in on the expanding universe . I tend to think that one is a done deal in comprehension . Although I kind of take it on faith that the people who discovered it know what there talking about.

Wrong.


Imagining is NOT knowing.


Nope, that's your speciality.

Imagining in science should at least be a complete picture. I can imagine a singularity in a vacuum blowing stuff out of it, and expanding.. you add water, and wait for 3 minutes. too simple, too convenient. To low intelligence for 2011. At least I have the full picture, even beyond the limits of the Universe, even beyond the limits of a multiverse.

What if they bleed into each other like color mixing or individual frequencies of sound does
How could they? Each of them would exist separately from the other.

General Note.
This place is always good for a laugh: http://www.crank.net/

Wrong.


Imagining is NOT knowing.


Nope, that's your speciality.

Now that is Funny Ha Ha funny . I'm roaring with laughter over that . Yeah I got to agree too . Imagining is not knowing , but imagining the unknown is a contemplation of the unknown . We do it to try and predict the future too . I imagine woo on the thread is going to happen . Do I know that for sure . Pretty sure it might of happened already . I imagine it has . Just a wild guess here

Imagining in science should at least be a complete picture.
Also wrong.
It's not science if all you do is imagine.


At least I have the full picture, even beyond the limits of the Universe, even beyond the limits of a multiverse.
Only in your own imagination. Which is nothing whatsoever to do with reality.

How could they? Each of them would exist separately from the other.

General Note.
This place is always good for a laugh: http://www.crank.net/

Why would there be a barrier between 2 universes ? and if there was shouldn't humans be able to detect a barrier ? It is not like we can look at the back of our heads in a circular universe if we could see that good . Expanding into nothing ? What would the expansion push the other universe out of the way ?

Also wrong.
It's not science if all you do is imagine.


Only in your own imagination. Which is nothing whatsoever to do with reality.

Einstein's brain was dissected, and what they found was a huge area of 3D spacial awareness. Einstein was a genius of imagination. So science does not suffer from a capacity to imagine. The problem with that is, it was passed on to people like you, who have no capacity to imagine, and just parrot fashion what they hear. Einstein today would be taking my route, he was already on the same route as me but was talked out of it. He did manage to hide the Aether in his theory well enough to fool a lot of you though. He just renamed it space time.

Why would there be a barrier between 2 universes ?
There isn't a barrier. They exist separately. Think of "different dimensions" (in the science-fiction sense).


What would the expansion push the other universe out of the way ?
They can't contact each other. In any way, so there's no question of "pushing".

There isn't a barrier. They exist separately. Think of "different dimensions" (in the science-fiction sense).


They can't contact each other. In any way, so there's no question of "pushing".

Here comes the woooooo

Keep going, this thread could be funny, and linked to.

Here comes the woooooo
You're going to post again?

There isn't a barrier. They exist separately. Think of "different dimensions" (in the science-fiction sense).


They can't contact each other. In any way, so there's no question of "pushing".

yeah don't explain the emptiness of nothing beyond the big bang . Different dimensions like scifi I can imagine . I watch and read scifi so the image has been put in my imagination pretty good . Good woo woo . Love it !! Woo is entertaining for me . Liked the link too . The crank link . Beyond our expanding space in time . I can't grasp emptiness or nothingness . I can imagine stepped up bases to account for muliti universe . That I can imagine . I can imagine adjacent universes like our own that make up the stepped up bases . Like countries are to the world , or atoms are to matter

There isn't a barrier. They exist separately. Think of "different dimensions" (in the science-fiction sense).


They can't contact each other. In any way, so there's no question of "pushing".

When thinking of science it helps to think of science fiction.. :rolleyes:

Yes, you are certainly not posting woo. :D

When thinking of science it helps to think of science fiction.. :rolleyes:
And a failure to grasp the picture.


Yes, you are certainly not posting woo. :D
Wrong again.

And a failure to grasp the picture.


Wrong again.

Lots of people on this site just say wrong. You really like the easy route. The other Universe for your information are beyond the boundaries of this universe, not inside it. That would be like trying to put infinite streams down an optic cable, and then being able to move through it at the same time, and not even register any energy from it. About time you noticed the bubbles out there pushing apart.. pushing apart... not sci-fi. I can push a ball in real life.. not sci-fi. Galaxies push apart.. not sci-fi, and Galaxies have bubbles around them... not sci-fi.

I can't imagine your sci-fi version, because it is science FICTION.

The other Universe for your information are beyond the boundaries of this universe, not inside it.
There's no evidence that there actually is another universe, so your claim is specious.


That would be like trying to put infinite streams down an optic cable, and then being able to move through it at the same time, and not even register any energy from it.
Nope.


About time you noticed the bubbles out there pushing apart.. pushing apart... not sci-fi. I can push a ball in real life.. not sci-fi. Galaxies push apart.. not sci-fi, and Galaxies have bubbles around them... not sci-fi.

I can't imagine your sci-fi version, because it is science FICTION.
And your version isn't even that: it's a fantasy. With no support.

There's no evidence that there actually is another universe, so your claim is specious.


Nope.


And your version isn't even that: it's a fantasy. With no support.

Well you have just killed support as a rule that means anything then, because if your theory is supported then it just means that science can deliver whatever it likes. Of course I know the stupid maths version.. maths is fantasy.

There is the missing energy though . I don't know how to say it . I see it a lot on science programs about astronomy. The matter don't account for every thing

There is the missing energy though . I don't know how to say it . I see it a lot on science programs about astronomy. The matter don't account for every thing

They have a void, a vacuum, of course there's missing energy if you put a vacuum where there is matter. Maybe they will put the multiverse there next. they add so much invisible stuff, and then every other post they say "Don't add pixies!"

There isn't a barrier. They exist separately. Think of "different dimensions" (in the science-fiction sense).


They can't contact each other. In any way, so there's no question of "pushing".



correct
there is no barrier which is why no contact can be made :D

Well you have just killed support as a rule that means anything then, because if your theory is supported then it just means that science can deliver whatever it likes.
Oops, wrong again.
I didn't say it's a theory.


Of course I know the stupid maths version.. maths is fantasy.
Um, no you don't (you've previously admitted that). And no, maths isn't a fantasy.

correct
there is no barrier which is why no contact can be made :D

:spank:
:p

I think math is a human construct to organize existing phenomena that occurs in nature . Some of its probability may not occur , Yet there also are probabilities that they can be forced to occur by manipulation . I like to use it when I build . Fucking amazes Me big time cause a shit load of the laws of math are fucking spot on reality . Supplementary angles blew my fucking mind in field operations . I knew right then at a tender age there was more than meets the eye

:spank:
:p

We got virtual contact . Ouch . I gotta go . Procrastinating . You all are so much fun . Later

As Pincho has already demonstrated many times, the best woo always has a lot of math.

As Pincho has already demonstrated many times, the best woo always has a lot of math.

Yes.. like The Sims.

I brought the cranks up as an example of those who use the terms UFO and Flying Saucer interchangeably, nothing more. If that's what you're reacting to then I suggest you work on your reading comprehension.


and now we have an entire thread devoted to cranks

/snicker

nothing to work on kiddo
i can smell you csiop fanatics from a mile away

/phew

i like to thank god, my loving family, sciforums, for turning me on to this piece of info. it is the most wooified incident i've ever laid eyes on and is a goldmine for laughs and the occasional fart


James Randi - a Conjurer Attempts to Debunk Research on Animals

The January 2000 issue of Dog World magazine included an article on a possible sixth sense in dogs, which discussed some of my research. In this article Randi was quoted as saying that in relation to canine ESP, "We at the JREF [James Randi Educational Foundation] have tested these claims. They fail." No details were given of these tests.

I emailed James Randi to ask for details of this JREF research. He did not reply. He ignored a second request for information too.

I then asked members of the JREF Scientific Advisory Board to help me find out more about this claim. They did indeed help by advising Randi to reply. In an email sent on Februaury 6, 2000 he told me that the tests he referred to were not done at the JREF, but took place "years ago" and were "informal". They involved two dogs belonging to a friend of his that he observed over a two-week period. All records had been lost. He wrote: "I overstated my case for doubting the reality of dog ESP based on the small amount of data I obtained. It was rash and improper of me to do so."

Randi also claimed to have debunked one of my experiments with the dog Jaytee, a part of which was shown on television. Jaytee went to the window to wait for his owner when she set off to come home, but did not do so before she set off. In Dog World, Randi stated: "Viewing the entire tape, we see that the dog responded to every car that drove by, and to every person who walked by." This is simply not true, and Randi now admits that he has never seen the tape.


hahaha
poor frakking fanboys
look at your god lie and deceive
haaaahaha

Einstein's brain was dissected, and what they found was a huge area of 3D spacial awareness.
Oh dear, you're talking bollocks again. Link please.
And explain this:

Einstein had the lesser 3D spacial awareness, but the higher maths capacity.
http://www.avforums.com/forums/general-chat/1212291-pincho-paxton-ii-revenge-bubble.html


Einstein was a genius of imagination. So science does not suffer from a capacity to imagine.
No, but you apparently suffer from an inability to read.
One more time:


It's not science if all you do is imagine.


people like you, who have no capacity to imagine, and just parrot fashion what they hear.
Stupid, and false, assumption.


Einstein today would be taking my route
Also wrong. Einstein backed his imagination up. With evidence and mathematics.


He did manage to hide the Aether in his theory well enough to fool a lot of you though. He just renamed it space time.
And wrong again.

You don't know how to understand. It's as simple as that. Before you can understand something, you need to know how. You are an errand boy who somehow (possibly father) got into a scientific world. This went to your head, and now you feel that you can correct a genius. No you can't. You can feed my cat if you want. I'll trust you with the metal dishes, just keep away from the china plates.

And whatever that second quote is.. because you can't even link very well, I just wrote it back to front. It doesn't take much intelligence to realise that.. maybe a frog spawn could help you figure it out.

You don't know how to understand. It's as simple as that. Before you can understand something, you need to know how. You are an errand boy who somehow (possibly father) got into a scientific world. This went to your head, and now you feel that you can correct a genius. No you can't. You can feed my cat if you want. I'll trust you with the metal dishes, just keep away from the china plates.

Dyw is an engineer I think . An inventor non the less . That fast track walk way at the airport ? I think that was one of Dyw inventions . Anyway Dyw is very brilliant . Likes to point out fallacy too . Most people have to go back and re read Dyw posts before they get it. Typically it is the other persons pride that makes them feel the way you do about Dyw . I seen it time and time again . I seen many people eat black chickens too

Dyw is an engineer I think . An inventor non the less . That fast track walk way at the airport ? I think that was one of Dyw inventions . Anyway Dyw is very brilliant . Likes to point out fallacy too . Most people have to go back and re read Dyw posts before they get it. Typically it is the other persons pride that makes them feel the way you do about Dyw . I seen it time and time again . I seen many people eat black chickens too

So he's lazy too. No wonder he spends all his time wasting his life on here.

Pincho Paxton is a synonym for wacko.

@Pincho --


This went to your head, and now you feel that you can correct a genius. No you can't. You can feed my cat if you want. I'll trust you with the metal dishes, just keep away from the china plates.

Insults. Really? Is that the best you can do Pincho? You do realize that insults are the last resort of the weak mind right?

@Pincho --



Insults. Really? Is that the best you can do Pincho? You do realize that insults are the last resort of the weak mind right?

That was a compliment. I figured that he was capable of feeding my cat. That means he is capable of movement, and a bit of logical box, and wrapper opening. A compliment for a parrot who just repeats what science says. The Big Band was proposed about 1927, and Einstein didn't like it at first. Proposed by a professor of physics.. not so bad, and mathematician.... and this is the problem. The reason that Einstein was against it was because he didn't think that the Universe was expanding, and this creates a situation for science to grab hold of. if the Universe is expanding... we can adopt the Big Bang... nooooooooooo. That is a fork road, and there are alternatives. You expand the universe locally... per Galaxy. You don't rewind the Universe back to a single point, you rewind maths back to a single formula, and you rewind evolution back to a simple physics. Then you drag all of the mathematicians into a room, and put all of the designers into another room, and keep them apart. It would be amazing to see what Einstein could have become without maths. just passing his ideas into another room.

You don't know how to understand.
Wrong.


Before you can understand something, you need to know how.
But you do neither.


You are an errand boy who somehow (possibly father) got into a scientific world.
Wrong.


and now you feel that you can correct a genius.
Also wrong. Specifically: you aren't a genius. Far from it.


And whatever that second quote is.. because you can't even link very well, I just wrote it back to front. It doesn't take much intelligence to realise that.. maybe a frog spawn could help you figure it out.
The link works.
And I'm still waiting for a link to support your assertion.

This is your main problem:
http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/30000/4000/300/134329/134329.strip.gif

Wrong.


But you do neither.


Wrong.


Also wrong. Specifically: you aren't a genius. Far from it.


The link works.
And I'm still waiting for a link to support your assertion.

This is your main problem:
http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/30000/4000/300/134329/134329.strip.gif

It's not a problem, even the comic strip shows that maths, and physics don't work together. Look at the actual physics in the comic, a parrot fashioned portrayal of comic characters, and a poor joke. It proves my point.

Wrong.


But you do neither.


Wrong.


Also wrong. Specifically: you aren't a genius. Far from it.


The link works.
And I'm still waiting for a link to support your assertion.

This is your main problem:
http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/30000/4000/300/134329/134329.strip.gif

It's not a problem, even the comic strip shows that maths, and physics don't work together. Look at the actual physics in the comic, a parrot fashioned portrayal of comic characters, little tiny hands, little tiny ears, a tie that breaks the law of gravity, stupid looking little heads, and a poor joke. It proves my point.

It's not a problem, even the comic strip shows that maths, and physics don't work together.
Another ridiculously false claim.


Look at the actual physics in the comic, a parrot fashioned portrayal of comic characters, little tiny hands, little tiny ears, a tie that breaks the law of gravity, stupid looking little heads, and a poor joke. It proves my point.
Nope, but your comments highlight the disjoint between you and reality.

Another ridiculously false claim.


Nope, but your comments highlight the disjoint between you and reality.

I told you.. wrong doesn't work. Try to skip the part of your brain that leads to wrong. It has had too much air time. Sometimes you sit talking to people who's wiring just leads to wrong all of the time, it isn't very functional.

Sometimes you sit talking to people who's wiring just leads to wrong all of the time, it isn't very functional.
You're right, maybe I should just ignore you.

What is woo?



do you think the big bang created space or was there space that the big bang filled ? How could there not be something beyond the big bang ? Nothingness is so hard to imagine . I can see why the zero is a relatively new invention. It is easy to imagine when you don't have something like an apple , but a complete lack of anything at all anywhere is terribly hard to imagine . You got anything on that ? I know google is my friend . I was hoping by know you might be a little friendly . Have a drink of Me maple water . It is a little sugary.

I bet the aliens are trying to find the very thing that would be able to couple with any matter. :p

I agree there is most likely a world that holds the body our universe consists of.

Wait. Did Pincho really just say that math and physics don't work together?!?

Pincho, what drugs are you on and where can I get some? Physics is applied mathematics, how does that mean that physics and math don't work together?

What is woo?
The sort of stuff you post.
For example:


I bet the aliens are trying to find the very thing that would be able to couple with any matter.
And

I agree there is most likely a world that holds the body our universe consists of.

Pincho, what drugs are you on and where can I get some?
Seconded...
http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium/bat-country-jeff-ridlen.jpg

It seems appropriate to share this, at this juncture:
http://sciforums.com/picture.php?albumid=94&pictureid=480

Is that like a science joke? You guys need to get out more.

Wait. Did Pincho really just say that math and physics don't work together?!?

Pincho, what drugs are you on and where can I get some? Physics is applied mathematics, how does that mean that physics and math don't work together?

Physics is the study of nature, and movement. I mean, c'mon it's in the title.

Physics is mathematics applied to nature. If you don't know that then I have to wonder just how much you can know about science, and I have good cause to wonder.

LOL! @ Chimpkin.

The sort of stuff you post.
For example:


And

yeah! I don't know what promps me to say that stuff! But if it entertains.:shrug:

Guess its just away to express my feelings on things!:cool:

Physics is mathematics applied to nature. If you don't know that then I have to wonder just how much you can know about science, and I have good cause to wonder.

LOL! @ Chimpkin.

Nothing on the internet says that, in fact the opposite. Astronomy, chemistry etc. Wikipedia even states that it has been known to be used with certain branches of mathematics, but that is an appendum.

So now... wonder about yourself.

Nothing on the internet says that, in fact the opposite.
Link please.


Astronomy, chemistry etc. Wikipedia even states that it has been known to be used with certain branches of mathematics, but that is an appendum.
Appendum? WTF?


So now... wonder about yourself.
Hardly.

Link please.


Appendum? WTF?


Hardly.

Link? Just get on you dolly trolley invention, and get to your PC, and type physics.

Link? Just get on you dolly trolley invention, and get to your PC, and type physics.
Um no. YOU made the claim, support it.
Please give a link to a reliable site that states physics is NOT mathematics applied to nature.

Following your instruction gives:
1st hit (wiki) - Mathematics is the language used for compact description of the order in nature, especially the laws of Physics.
Need I go on?

Um no. YOU made the claim, support it.
Please give a link to a reliable site that states physics is NOT mathematics applied to nature.

Following your instruction gives:
1st hit (wiki) - Mathematics is the language used for compact description of the order in nature, especially the laws of Physics.
Need I go on?

Oh my god, you can't even search Google? That's the last time I answer you. You are obviously a troll.

Oh my god, you can't even search Google?
Wrong. I did. And found that you lied.


That's the last time I answer you. You are obviously a troll.
Since you made the claim it is up to you to support it. But there's no need since the first hit I got proved you lied.