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alexb123
03-06-11, 04:01 AM
Who are the most uncivilized people on earth?

tablariddim
03-06-11, 05:08 AM
football hooligans

GeoffP
03-06-11, 06:28 AM
My in-laws.

thechunk
03-06-11, 06:55 AM
N i g e r i a n s

WillNever
03-06-11, 07:31 AM
Most of Southeast Asia.

Some really horrible countries:

China
Taiwan
Hong Kong
Korea
Malaysia
Phillipines
Viet Nam
Thailand
Singapore
And yes, those scamming bastards in Nigeria

Basically, these countries are some of the world's worst human rights abusers currently. They also have hands down some of the highest rates of human trafficking in world history.

cosmictraveler
03-06-11, 07:43 AM
We should define the word first. If this definition isn't the one the OP was thinking about then they should define their word better.

uncivilized, uncivilised [ʌnˈsɪvɪˌlaɪzd]
adj

1. (Social Science / Anthropology & Ethnology) (of a tribe or people) not yet civilized, esp preliterate

2. lacking culture or sophistication.



In my wildest imagination, those pictures of the so called UNCONTACTED TRIBES seems not true.I believe in their long years in the jungle they have HISTORY passed on by their ancestors from one generation to another.Moving from place to place inside the jungle means that they are aware o f others existence.They have language, system in survival, etc., they are creatures that made them adapt with the life in the forest.I am sure they talk and asking how to mingle and how to adopt others tribe ways of life.Who knows they think of us like other tribes just few kilometers away.


Why not the government of Brazil form a commission to help those tribes.Careful studies will help us to come closer to them and will learn more about them and vice versa.Let say...send group of misionaries, bring them the tools like shovels, picks, rakes,varieties of fruit seeds and vegetables,.... they need hem to survive in the jungle if they dont want to move closer to our so called civilized society,Easier said than done but if we really want them to survive we should share to them the BENEFIT of every inventions ever made for us be they simple or technical.There is nothing funny about them, they deserve help.Remember hundreds of TRIBES are existing in deep jungle of Amazon that needs help, those pictured were only but few.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBcQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boston.com%2Fbigpicture%2F200 8%2F05%2Funcontacted_tribe_photographed.html&ei=749zTezQBY_4gAfTks2EDQ&usg=AFQjCNGlnB3UNkDy8WTcso2sVnb2FIo1gA

EmptySky
03-06-11, 09:28 AM
N i g e r i a n sGenerally, most sub-Saharan Africans, using the second meaning of the term defined above by cosmictraveller.

Bells
03-06-11, 09:28 AM
Uncivilised by which standard?

What is being used to measure here?

skaught
03-06-11, 09:50 AM
Members of sciforums.

cosmictraveler
03-06-11, 09:51 AM
Members of sciforums.

:crazy::runaway::shh:

alexb123
03-06-11, 10:30 AM
To put this in context, I would say that the most civilized people are the Amish et al.

cosmictraveler
03-06-11, 10:42 AM
To put this in context, I would say that the most civilized people are the Amish et al.

But your question, which you didn't bother to answe, was uncivilized. So who do you think are the most uncivilized then? :shrug:

alexb123
03-06-11, 11:02 AM
Cosmic I'm not sure, its a very difficult question.

For example some Tribes will still eat members of other Tribes, which does seem as uncivilized as you could get. However, within their own tribe they have a highly developed and civilized social structure.

The second most barbaric thing I have ever witnessed, via the internet is this:

*strong warning very graphic content*

[link removed by moderator following complaints about its disturbing content.]

But is this the act of a few or is this a cultural issue? Are these people civilized when not burning others to death?

Milgram proved to us that civilized people can commit acts of evil.

Cellar_Door
03-06-11, 11:13 AM
The tribes that live in the Omo Valley in southern Ethiopia would be a good example. They don't take too well to being patronised though: they have a lot of hate for the European tourists who travel there in order to observe them like monkeys.

birch
03-06-11, 11:36 AM
i find it very interesting why it's always the asian and african countries which are considered the most uncivilized by western thought but the middle-east is almost never mentioned as well as south america. that's a gross miscalculation there so the judgement cannot be taken seriously either. in the middle-east, there women are notoriously oppressed as well as their customs are often extremely primitive and barbaric. it is amazingly barbaric. as for south america, there is a horrendous amount of human rights violations as well as human trafficking as well as heavy drug trafficking and extreme corruption.





Most of Southeast Asia.

Some really horrible countries:


China
Taiwan
Hong Kong
Korea
Malaysia
Phillipines
Viet Nam
Thailand
Singapore
And yes, those scamming bastards in Nigeria

Basically, these countries are some of the world's worst human rights abusers currently. They also have hands down some of the highest rates of human trafficking in world history.

china, taiwan, korea and singapore are not southeast asian countries nor are they all uncivilized. north or south korea? hong kong, singapore, malaysia and taiwan are uncivilized??? are you nuts?

why is it you don't mention the middle-east where they murder their daughters for even looking at a another male among other extreme practices? or how about how they will flog and murder a woman for "being" raped by seeing her as the culprit? do you see that happening in these asian countries youl listed? NO. and why didn't you mention india? have you been to india? do you know how brutal their caste system is? most of the countries you list are not anywhere near that level of barbarism. how about mexico? have you been to mexico? afghanistan? iraq? or even iran? you think that these countries are less uncivilized than places like hong kong, singapore, malaysia, vietnam etc?? anyone with a modicum of sanity would know that the latter countries are far more safe to travel to and live in than most of the middle-east and south america is not any less uncivilized than many southeast asian countries. on the contrary, some are even more civilized. why is it only that east asian countries are focused on as well as africa by westerners?

is the middle-east and south america not mentioned because they are caucasoids and east asian and african countries are not?? is this the extent of your lame reasoning process? because that is the only flagrant and obvious distinction.

it's quite ridiculous how westerners are always pegging only some countries or cultures as "uncivilized" while simultaneously completely ignoring others, some of which could be far worse. how can we even trust such cartoony western judgement of other cultures?? it's quite laughable.

also, realistically, there is usually no such thing as 'uncivilized people' in one country vs another as it boils down to how a countries laws are as well as enforced. there are both uncivilized and civilized people in every country. again, it's the laws that dictate what will transpire more or less in any given country but the nature of what motivates is still inherently there. in even civilized countries today, in the past there was much barbarism and human rights violations. any country or culture will devolve into mayhem or reveal these barbaric inclinations without the laws to suppress it or channel it into other positive actions as well as education to alleviate most superstition or ignorance which could have disastrous outcomes.

there is human trafficking, drug trafficking, and all types of crime committed and corruption in even so-called civilized countries. why? because there are both civilized and uncivilized people in any country. again, it's the nature of the laws which mitigate the most extreme acts and outcome of this evil side of nature.

alexb123
03-06-11, 01:24 PM
What about George Bush and others going to war in Iraq? What about Hitler? Can a country be classed as civilized when there is so much blood on their hands?

ULTRA
03-06-11, 02:13 PM
The Burmese. A military dictatorship, regular disappearances of any opposition, the jailing of a Nobel peace prize winner. No human rights to speak of and an atmosphere of fear and oppression. It's also very hot, humid and jungled.

Emil
03-06-11, 02:28 PM
Who are the most uncivilized people on earth?
So you do not believe in different civilizations?
Than in a single and which must taken as the reference standard?

birch
03-06-11, 02:38 PM
It's also very hot, humid and jungled.

what does this have to do with anything? is tar turf and ugly strip malls and poor zoning with lots of superfluous and ill-thought out stores better with pollution? no.

industrialization and civilized are two different aspects. there could be a civilized, kind and humane person living in a hut somewhere and a cold, ruthless inhumane bastard living in a gleaming hi-rise with all the modern amenities just as well.

anyways, tropical areas are teeming with natural beauty.

ULTRA
03-06-11, 02:47 PM
what does this have to do with anything? is tar turf and ugly strip malls and poor zoning with lots of superfluous and ill-thought out stores better with pollution? no.

industrialization and civilized are two different aspects. there could be a civilized, kind and humane person living in a hut somewhere and a cold, ruthless inhumane bastard living in a gleaming hi-rise with all the modern amenities just as well.

anyways, tropical areas are teeming with natural beauty.

Civilized is generally taken as meaning urbanized after the greek root of the word.
Was there any point in your post? No. I knew I put you on my ignore list for a reason..

birch
03-06-11, 03:05 PM
Civilized is generally taken as meaning urbanized after the greek root of the word.
Was there any point in your post? No. I knew I put you on my ignore list for a reason..

then you're an idiot. and if you believed that, you wouldn't have mentioned the military dicatorship, would you? pay attention to the topic. they didn't ask what is considered a 'civilization' but what is 'uncivilized people' which makes an inference on whether people are handled humanely more or less. people don't consider 'civilized' in reference to people to physical urban development as much as it relates to humane laws, practices and treatment. do you consider someone 'civilized' if they are a rapist and murderer just because they live in a developed country? lmao.

even the posts above are referring to political and ethical corruption. is there some reason why you didn't address those then? isn't this supposed to be an actual 'thinking' forum rather than popular social conditioning?

in general, 'uncvilized' is closely related to a countries level of corruption.

http://www.forbes.com/2010/11/01/most-currupt-countries-2010-business-beltway-currupt-countries.html

areas of the middle-east, africa and some parts of south america, southeast asia, and even some western nations (as in predominantly white) come up such as russia and poland come up. but it's all a gradient which fluxes.

roughly, according to this list and it's governments, these are the most corrupt nations currently on the bottom:

somalia
myanmar
afghanistan
iraq
uzbekistan
turkmenistan
sudan
chad
burundi
equatorial guinea
angola
venezuela
kyrgystan
guinea
republic of congo
tajikistan
russia
papua new guinea
laos
kenya
guinea-bissau
congo brazzaville
central african republic
cambodia
yemen
paraguay
nepal
libya
iran
haiti

i was closer to accurate even before i looked it up!

and it goes on and up from there. willnever's post was mostly completely off and no one even noticed. he just pulled it out of his/her ass probably due to racism! every country has human trafficking but the worst ones currently are india, saudia arabia, russia, brazil, mexico, azerbaijan, israel, united states, netherlands, romania, bulgaria, lithuania, thailand, ukraine, china, belgium, germany, greece, italy, japan, turkey, moldova and nigeria.

notice that the highest "demand" is from usually "wealthy" countries and the origins of such people are trafficked usually from more poorer countries.

http://www.iast.net/thefacts.htm


Demand:

Belgium, Germany, Greece, Israel, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Thailand, Turkey and the United States are countries ranked "very high" as destination countries of trafficked persons. 12


Prostitution in the Philippines is a de facto legal industry that is now the fourth largest source of gross national product (GNP) for the country. 13 300,000 sex tourists from Japan alone are believed to visit the Philippines every year. 14

The sex industry in the Netherlands is estimated to make most $1 billion each year. 15 It is a major Western European destination country for trafficked women with 2,000 brothels and numerous escort services, using an estimated 30,000 women. 16 Moreover, 68-80% of women in its sex industry are from other countries, a factor highly indicative of sex trafficking.

Globally:

UNICEF reports that across the world, there are over one million children entering the sex trade every year and that approximately 30 million children have lost their childhood through sexual exploitation over the past 30 years.

The U.S. Department of State estimates that about 600,000 to 800,000 people - mostly women and children - are trafficked across national borders annually. 6 [Note: This estimate does not include those trafficked within national borders.]

Eleven countries score very high as countries of origin for trafficking victims. The countries are Belarus, the Republic of Moldova, the Russian Federation and Ukraine (Commonwealth of Independent States), Albania, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Romania, China, Thailand, and Nigeria.

India:

More than 2.3 million girls and women were believed to be in the sex industry, and experts believed that more than 200,000 persons were trafficked into, within, or through the country annually. There were approximately three million trafficking victims in the country, and two thousand rescues a year. Women's rights organizations and NGOs estimated that more than 12,000 and perhaps as many as 50,000 women and children were trafficked into the country annually from neighboring states for commercial sexual exploitation. According to an International Labor Organization (ILO) estimate, 15 percent of the country's estimated 2.3 million prostitutes were children, while the UN reported that an estimated 40 percent of prostitutes were below 18 years of age. Tribal persons made up a large proportion of the women forced into sexual exploitation.

USA:

From fiscal year 2001 through fiscal year 2005, the Civil Rights Division and United States Attorney's Offices filed 91 trafficking cases, a 405% increase over the number of trafficking cases filed from fiscal years 1996 through 2000. In these cases, Department attorneys charged 248 trafficking defendants, a 210% increase over the previous five fiscal years. In addition, 140 defendants of trafficking related crimes were convicted, a 109% increase over the previous five years.

Despite an estimated prevalence of 100,000 to 150,00010 slaves in the U.S., fewer than 1,000 victims have been assisted through the efforts of federal, state, and local law enforcement since 2001, when services for trafficking victims were first made available.

The sex industry in the Netherlands is estimated to make most $1 billion each year. 15 It is a major Western European destination country for trafficked women with 2,000 brothels and numerous escort services, using an estimated 30,000 women. 16 Moreover, 68-80% of women in its sex industry are from other countries, a factor highly indicative of sex trafficking.

Stryder
03-06-11, 03:22 PM
You do realise that "Uncivilized" appears to some to be an excuse for "Racism". Tarring an entire people because they aren't the same as you or follow the same laws you do doesn't exactly prove you are any more civilized than them.

In essence there has been no "uncivilized" people in millenniums en-mass. There might be a few hermits that lack social skills or prefer to be away from people, but even that doesn't necessarily make them uncivilized.

It probably would have made more sense to ask questions like:
Who are the most evil people?
Who are the most cruel people?
Who are the most corrupt people?
Who are the most rude people?

But state that "People" just means a collective of individuals that aren't necessarily directly affiliated with one another, let alone related.

birch
03-06-11, 03:33 PM
It probably would have made more sense to ask questions like:
Who are the most evil people?
Who are the most cruel people?
Who are the most corrupt people?
Who are the most rude people?

But state that "People" just means a collective of individuals that aren't necessarily directly affiliated with one another, let alone related.



that's something an adult should already realize and the point i was making. it's so obvious that there are both civilized and uncivilized people in every country.

when people consider what is 'uncivilized people' they usually go by a government and it's level of societal corruption but in reality there will be both humane and inhumane people in any society.

alexb123
03-06-11, 04:35 PM
As we can see this is a difficult question. But why is it easy, as I note that no one has disputed it, to state that the Amish et al, are the most civilized?

EmptySky
03-06-11, 04:46 PM
You do realise that "Uncivilized" appears to some to be an excuse for "Racism".If you read cosmictraveller's definition you'll see this is to do with cultural sophistication or rather lack of it.

Being civilized does not mean being non-violent. To rats we might appear as barbarians when we exterminate them, or any creature for that matter which threatens us, but that does not make us uncivilized or lacking sophistication.

There are some people in the world who are both culturally unsophisticated and barbaric, if we define barbarianism as acting violently towards other forms of life without sound rational reasons.

To have the rational reasons, of course, you have to be civilized in the first place, and the judgement of what is sufficiently rational must rest with the most advanced culture, ie, the most civilized.

It seems like a loop but it isn't, one just needs to avoid the pitfalls of liberal relativism.

tablariddim
03-06-11, 04:52 PM
football hooligans

Yep, I totally agree. Football hooligans are beyond uncivilised, they stir up my vitriol and I wouldn't mind to see them skinned alive, hung, drawn and quartered...fucking right!

Anybody who thinks that any particular country contains the 'most uncivilised people on earth', must be a racist nutter.

jmpet
03-06-11, 04:58 PM
I don't like the word "uncivilized". Can you use another word?

alexb123
03-06-11, 05:01 PM
Does the civility of government have a correlation to the civility of the population?

Also are there double standards in how we see civility? So if a non-western nation were to wage an unjustified war, they would be considered barbaric. But if the UK/USA were to do it, they have already earned a standard baseline of civility, therefore when they are uncivilized it slips under the radar?

alexb123
03-06-11, 05:01 PM
I don't like the word "uncivilized". Can you use another word?

I agree uncivilized might not be the best word, what do you suggest?

Emil
03-06-11, 07:30 PM
As we can see this is a difficult question. But why is it easy, as I note that no one has disputed it, to state that the Amish et al, are the most civilized?

I think the Eskimos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo) are the most "civilized".

Expansion
03-06-11, 08:10 PM
As far as lacking culture, and sophistication try Texas.

jmpet
03-06-11, 08:11 PM
I agree uncivilized might not be the best word, what do you suggest?

Dude- it's your thread. YOU tell ME.

chimpkin
03-06-11, 08:33 PM
There aren't a whole lot of uncivilized people, and by that I mean:

"People living completely independently of the global economy by lack of inclusion or choice."

If by uncivilized, you meant "Who has the cruelest cultural practices?" there's a lot of places that have pretty horrific cultural practices.

Infibulation(Sudan?) dying rooms (China), no birth certificate for females so they can be disappeared by their families (Saudi Arabia), honor killings (Pakistan, India et al) Killing people suspected of "witchcraft,(parts of Africa), stoning (Afghaninstan), uncontrolled prison rape (the US)....

Should have known better than to click on Alex's link, but morbid curiosity got the better of me (shudder). How anyone could do that to another human being, I just don't know.


As far as lacking culture, and sophistication try Texas.

Hey, I'm not white trash! I'm caucasian recycling. ;)

ShouldBeStudying
03-06-11, 08:51 PM
Most of Southeast Asia.

Some really horrible countries:

China
Taiwan
Hong Kong
Korea
Malaysia
Phillipines
Viet Nam
Thailand
Singapore
And yes, those scamming bastards in Nigeria

Basically, these countries are some of the world's worst human rights abusers currently. They also have hands down some of the highest rates of human trafficking in world history.

lol taiwan? hong kong? don't list countries when you have no idea what it's like there

chimpkin
03-06-11, 08:55 PM
Oh, I didn't notice Willnever had posted Taiwan in there...doesn't Taiwan have single-payer health insurance that covers everyone?

Which might lead you to think they were more civilized than the U.S....

Maybe he is just horrified by anywhere that considers dogs, monkeys and/or rice rats to be on the menu...

birch
03-06-11, 09:19 PM
he's a typical 'asians are most exotic (different) to me, therefore must be the most uncivilized' bs.

it really is a social meme for average westerners to consider asian countries to be the worst for everything. it's hard to understand and they must really use some powerful cognitive dissonance with every other country and culture in the world. there are far more scarier places to go than on that pathetic list. all those places are pretty nice and malaysia is beautiful. i can't believe he/she mentioned singapore of all places. what a complete load of arbitrary crock!

actually it's downright idiocy.

but still in general it does have a bit to do with racism. if asians look most different than the majority demographic, they will be more scrutinized as well as those countries with their military occupation will be more widely known such as vietnam, korea, japan and china because for obvious reasons and which is constantly on the news.

also, more personal differences such as eating habits, looks etc tend to color widely how people view degrees of differences and similarities between other cultures. those who eat dog are going to be viewed as more uncivilized by those societies which view them as sacred family members or those who use chopsticks are obviously curiously different (everyone else uses a fork), therefore more markedly distinct so easily pigeonholed and scrutinized (and thus remembered). for instance, another culture that might kill a girl for talking to a teenage boy or marry off a five year old to a grown man or wash their face in urine or torture eachother due to religion or drug cartels the basis of one's economy is less important because they don't give a shit as much as a culture that would eat their beloved pets, right? that's what is going to get people's passions going to create a cultural vendetta and is a favorite target to sensationalize and caricaturize as "uncivilized and barbaric." so therefore, any and all aspects of their culture will be scrutinized in detail to be the marked "polar" other category for reference while everyone falls somewhere in an undefined hazy middle of nowhere of unimportance. this means that 'any' faults will be pegged to this one category more than another. issues such as racism, sexism, barbarism, poliltical corruption and even uncouth behavior will be placed in this category en masse even if one were to visit mexico and perhaps view the disgusting sexist behavior of males and oppression of females or if one were to visit the middle-east where women wear veils and strictly controlled by their husbands, it is the "east" asian female that has the priviledge of the most oppressed woman or the east asian male who is labeled the most sexist etc. as for racism, even though there are more organized groups which kill people for being a different race in russia or more organized supremist and racist groups in america, it's asians that will be labeled the most 'racist'. even though in reality, there are poorer, corrupt, and barbaric countries etc, it is usually east or southeast asia that will be pegged as the most again in this category. even though there are places that flog, castrate, murder, mutilate and torture people in myriads of ways all over the world, even routinely and horrificly, it will be east asia or south east asia that will be pegged as the most barbaric. why? because people are that amazingly lame--asians look the most different from everyone else. thank you west and i hope one will return the favor you so richly deserve. oh wait, they are doing that. it's the 'i hate america' campaign around the world.

think about it and randomly ask people what countries they think are the most corrupt and most will mention some asian country. this is pretty strong evidence of a social prejudice because in reality there are a hell of a lot of corrupt and/or barbaric/primitive places. um, has israel been anything but a pain in the ass? how about mexico? has the war in the middle-east and killings ever stopped? no. do westerners think they are the most corrupt? of course not. the dog-eating slant-eyed people must be.

if you ask most people about these other countries such as albania, krygstan, bulgaria, poland, myanmar, afghanistan, uzbekistan, turkmenistan, chad, burundi, tajikistan, romania, libya, netherlands, india, peru, panama, russia etc, they either have never heard of them or know nothing about them as if it doesn't even exist. nothing stands out in there collective knowledge about these people or places. but when it comes to east-asians and south-east asians, they do. they are the dog-eating barbarians who have slanted eyes and look strange. oh, they eat scorpions and all kinds of weird things etc. basically, they are admitting that asians are the most fascinating to them while everyone else is too boring to bother with demonizing. also, when most of these people from western/eastern europe, south america, middle-east or even india immigrate to western countries, because they tend to look white or caucasoid, they never really show up on the society's radar. looks are the dominant factor in how people gauge similarities or demonize those that are different. in the mind of the average westerner; middle-east is arabs and all they know is they have oil, africa is poor and wild, europe is nice but not as powerful as america, and east asian countries are the wierdest and worst.

africa shows up constantly on the news due to famine and relief going on all the time(they are not worth demonizing because they are too pathetic in the view of the collective west) and china due to it's global emergence. but east-asians simply would look most different than everyone else in a western country so anything negative would be pegged to them more than anyone else simply due to a complete ignorance of anywhere else as well as the soldiers who went to war in vietnam and korea are the freshest in recent memory even though there are tons of countries out there. it really does boil down to racism more than anything which is fine as long as that is understood as what it is.

but as far as uncivilized behavior, practices or corruption or poor countries there is a big world out there with many countries with these problems.

pegging certain countries with these problems as the worst because they are the only ones one is aware of is poor logic or no logic. maybe even borderline retardation.

chimpkin
03-06-11, 09:32 PM
Singapore is more civilized than here-if you litter you get fined...I'd go so far as to call them draconian...but quite tidy and orderly.

Many countries in Sub-Saharan Africa are probably where life is cheapest...although that's far from universal even there.
Afghanistan is pretty unpleasant and dangerous right now. Haiti is very unpleasant too...less shooting, but no food, and there seems to be a kleptocracy firmly in place...

If eating monkey squicks you out, my sociology professor was taking a tour in the Phillipines...One of his fellow bus tour members had some barbecued monkey on a stick, then tossed it up when he found out what it was he'd eaten...which seems a bit silly-if you eat meat, why not that particular meat?
I'm under the impression that, other than the third-world driving style (stop signs and traffic signals are decorative; you will get rear-ended if you stop) the Philippines are a nice place.
Lots of Filipina nurses here in the U.S.

Anti-Flag
03-07-11, 07:27 AM
The term "human civilization" is an oxymoron, human behaviour is rarely civilized.

thechunk
03-07-11, 07:44 AM
HAVING WORKED IN MOST OF THE CESSPIT COUNTRIES IN THE PAST 20YEARS ON MY RAPE & PILLAGE OIL CAREER THE MOST UNCIVILIZED I HAVE TO REITTERATE IS

N I G E R I A :wtf:

I BELIEVE THERE A FEW ACADEMIC POLITICALLY CORRECT PEOPLE ON THIS THREAD WHO DO NOT HAVE A CLUE WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT, ONLY WHAT THEY READ OR SEE ON TV !! :bugeye:

Cellar_Door
03-07-11, 12:38 PM
What about George Bush and others going to war in Iraq? What about Hitler? Can a country be classed as civilized when there is so much blood on their hands?

Committing atrocities and being civilised are not mutually exclusive. Also, it's hardly fair to judge entire peoples by their leaders.

Cellar_Door
03-07-11, 01:07 PM
You do realise that "Uncivilized" appears to some to be an excuse for "Racism". Tarring an entire people because they aren't the same as you or follow the same laws you do doesn't exactly prove you are any more civilized than them.

In essence there has been no "uncivilized" people in millenniums en-mass. There might be a few hermits that lack social skills or prefer to be away from people, but even that doesn't necessarily make them uncivilized.

It probably would have made more sense to ask questions like:
Who are the most evil people?
Who are the most cruel people?
Who are the most corrupt people?
Who are the most rude people?

But state that "People" just means a collective of individuals that aren't necessarily directly affiliated with one another, let alone related.

Yeah alright, 'civilised' is a relative term. Different cultures never really understand eachother, but it doesn't mean that our way is better than their way. Science is only our Western society's version of the creation myth, right?

But is it really? In a civilised society we can expect infant mortality not to be through the roof, or most women not to die in childbirth. We can expect sewage systems that don't just involve shitting and drinking from the same untreated stream. We can expect people to have a basic knowledge of sexual and general health. We can expect proper education and basic levels of literacy in the general population

There was a time when the East was much more civilised than the West, and whilst the printing press was being invented in China the English were still being wiped out by the plague and waging war with virtually every surrounding nation.

However, there are groups of people on this earth who have always lived a primitive existence. It's all very well saying how a simpler way of life is just a part of their culture, but I wonder if you and the proponents of your argument could really endure the kind of life they lead there.

Fraggle Rocker
03-07-11, 02:42 PM
The word "civilization" has a fairly precise meaning in anthropology. It refers to the level of human social and technological development during which:People lived in permanent settlements so large that all of the residents may not have been personally acquainted. Agriculture (the twin technologies of farming and animal husbandry) provided virtually all of the food. The settlements traded goods and services with each other.Civilization followed the Neolithic Era; the Dawn of Civilization was the second Paradigm Shift, after the Agricultural Revolution.

Not all writers agree on the number of Paradigm Shifts: Toffler counts only three and ignores this one as well as the Bronze Age and Iron Age, but I count six. A Paradigm Shift is a wrenching, fundamental change in the way humans relate to each other and to the universe. In civilization, people had to learn to live in harmony and cooperation with total strangers, which conflicts with our instinct to only trust and care for a small clan of people we have known intimately since birth. A Paradigm Shift is a major step in our transcendence over internal and/or external nature.

So to say that a society is not civilized is merely to say that its groups are small enough that everyone knows everyone else, even if not intimately. Obviously this applies to Paleolithic humans who lived in small extended-family units without permanent settlements, but it also applies to larger Neolithic groups with permanent settlements that were typically too small to have agriculture of maximum productivity, and therefore had to augment their diet at times by hunting and gathering. Most human labor was allocated to assuring adequate nutrition and other basic needs, so there was not much surplus productivity, and tribes had very few non-essential goods and services to trade with each other.

pjdude1219
03-07-11, 06:46 PM
lol taiwan? hong kong? don't list countries when you have no idea what it's like there

hong kong isn't even a country

WillNever
03-07-11, 07:39 PM
As well, they have strange and peculiar fetishes in many of those asian countries. For example, a popular sexual fetish in China is the "crush fetish" in which asian women wearing high-heeled shoes stomp on fruit, toothpaste tubes, and then work their way up to bunnies, kittens, and puppies, and then they videotape it so that they (and others) can masturbate to the video later. Those are called chinese crush videos. There are even rumors that a few of those girls have stepped on some humans, killing them. In those cultural sinkholes, they have a whole different (and in my carefully considered opinion, less developed) attitude toward how animals -- and indeed, all life -- should be treated than we do.

Some of those countries may have modern amenities but that is merely a veneer for the brutal mentality that still exists in those places, which thrive predominantly off borrowed technology that they themselves did not develop.

chimpkin
03-07-11, 07:56 PM
Gee, Will, racist much?

It's not like we don't do freaky stuff in the sack-S&m, furries, plushies, golden showers, scat-play, bestiality AND our own crush videos... we also factory-farm and bomb other countries...

So watch where you're swinging that tar-brush, it splatters.

China is starting to innovate...it's just that they take the approach that it's cheaper to swipe it from us if they can, which is logical, if ethically questionable.

ULTRA
03-07-11, 08:11 PM
I can only reiterate that Burma has deviated a long way from what we consider to be civillised. It's a disease ridden jungle hell-hole that seems to have been forgotten by modernity. This is a brief synopsis of the situation there:

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.burmacampaign.org.uk%2Findex. php%2Fburma%2Fabout-burma%2Fabout-burma%2Fhuman-rights&ei=jo91TcqhEcqwhQffvOj9Bg&usg=AFQjCNFQVsjdyFUEPFdIVTY-1XyZhjhRmA&sig2=Q27w8zOTDLPNv4aVj5D8UA

I can hardly think of a more deserving candidate. Many of the abuses cannot even be recorded because journalism is severely impeded, to the piont of death. At least China is making an effort to address its problems, albeit slowly.

WillNever
03-07-11, 08:16 PM
Yep. Also, I can reiterate that Asia blows, except for South Asia. :cool:

thechunk
03-07-11, 09:04 PM
Will I have to disagree South Asia blows as well it cost me nearly 500 baht the last time ;)

birch
03-07-11, 09:35 PM
"Dr. Robert M. Bowman, a retired Lieutenant Colonel from the USA Air Force, in an open letter to the USA President, George W Bush (2001):

"We are not hated because we practice democracy, freedom, and human rights. We are hated because our government denies these things to people in third world countries whose resources are coveted by our multinational corporations. And that hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism..."

"We are the target of terrorists because we stand for dictatorship, bondage, and human exploitation in the world. We are the target of terrorists because we are hated. And we are hated because our government has done hateful things. In how many countries have we deposed popularly elected leaders and replaced them with puppet military dictators who were willing to sell out their own people to American multinational corporations"

http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_whyusa.html



as usual, it's the asian or african countries but all other countries are usually ignored.

it's prejudice and bias but that's okay because it can be returned. the west can be demonized too.

think about how totally nonsensical the responses have been. there have been stats published but it's ignored in favor of people's particular dislike or negative interest in a particular culture, country or race.



As well, they have strange and peculiar fetishes in many of those asian countries. For example, a popular sexual fetish in China is the "crush fetish" in which asian women wearing high-heeled shoes stomp on fruit, toothpaste tubes, and then work their way up to bunnies, kittens, and puppies, and then they videotape it so that they (and others) can masturbate to the video later. Those are called chinese crush videos. There are even rumors that a few of those girls have stepped on some humans, killing them. In those cultural sinkholes, they have a whole different (and in my carefully considered opinion, less developed) attitude toward how animals -- and indeed, all life -- should be treated than we do.

Some of those countries may have modern amenities but that is merely a veneer for the brutal mentality that still exists in those places, which thrive predominantly off borrowed technology that they themselves did not develop.

you never answered why you focus on asian countries to the exclusion of most other places because you know you can't legitmately qualify it. you can only pinpoint certain things you dislike that certain people in these countries engage in while there are atrocities commited by people in many cultures and countries.

that's blatant intellectual dishonesty, even character-wise. how about that for a reality-check?!

your opinion isn't "carefully" considered, it's hypocritical. actually it's akin to near insanity and utter denial. there are places in the world where they kill women and children for the most trivial reasons or religious related, constant warring and bombings and torturing of humans, marry animals and little children and these people just focus on east-asia as if the only uncivilized things occur there???????? you guys have to be punking someone because that is just ludicrous to ignore that. i would like to send you to pakistan, afghanistan, israel or iraq for vacation. maybe you can witness a live stoning, flogging, or burning people alive and have a good time.

so, it's only "asian" countries that have a "brutal mentality" and have different attitudes on how life should be treated??? only asian cultures??? you just can't be serious, that's not even technically correct. are you not aware of all the atrocities and practices in other culture or countries??? are you that dense?

chimpkin
03-07-11, 09:58 PM
China had bureacracy when my ancestors were still painting themselves blue and decorating their hut's fireplaces with the slain skulls of enemies...

(Which I'd be perfectly happy doing myself-pass the woad pot?)

The reason Africa is so chaotic is due to the aftereffects of mass kidnappings-slavery-and the aftereffects of a colonialism that was only more brutally enacted in the United States-where we practiced almost complete genocide, taking the Native American population from an estimated 20 million to less than 1 Million in roughly 200 years of colonization.

ULTRA
03-07-11, 10:02 PM
as usual, it's the asian or african countries but all other countries are usually ignored.

it's prejudice and bias but that's okay because it can be returned. the west can be demonized too.

think about how totally nonsensical the responses have been. there have been stats published but it's ignored in favor of people's particular dislike or negative interest in a particular culture, country or race.




you never answered why you focus on asian countries to the exclusion of most other places because you know you can't legitmately qualify it. you can only pinpoint certain things you dislike that certain people in these countries engage in while there are atrocities commited by people in many cultures and countries.

that's blatant intellectual dishonesty, even character-wise. how about that for a reality-check?!

your opinion isn't "carefully" considered, it's hypocritical. actually it's akin to near insanity and utter denial. there are places in the world where they kill women and children for the most trivial reasons or religious related, constant warring and bombings and torturing of humans, marry animals and little children and these people just focus on east-asia as if the only uncivilized things occur there???????? you guys have to be punking someone because that is just ludicrous to ignore that. i would like to send you to pakistan, afghanistan, israel or iraq for vacation. maybe you can witness a live stoning, flogging, or burning people alive and have a good time.

Try reading post46. Plenty of informed analysis in my link (had you been bothered to read it), but no. Here we go a-trolling again

birch
03-07-11, 10:05 PM
Try reading post46. Plenty of informed analysis in my link (had you been bothered to read it), but no. Here we go a-trolling again

the only person who hasn not been trolling this thread is me, chimpkin and fraggle-rocker. grow a semblance of an honest bone in your body before you spout off. interesting that you accuse me of trolling when i'm not the troll in this thread. what does that say about your judgement or lack of it?

if you think i've been trolling, then you can't be taken seriously either.

i've brought sanity to this thread and so has chimpkin.

it is utterly rediculous to focus just on asian countries considering the horrendous amounts of barbaric shit that goes on in other cultures and in other countries besides them. it's almost crazy but it's probably because asia is viewed more as a threat because of china. that still doesn't make it correct though.

i'm just a little curious why people, not just you, are more interested in asian countries than others. even though you pick burma, there is a lot of other countries with drastic frigging problems as well as tremendous human rights violations. it's kind of puzzling honestly.

ULTRA
03-07-11, 10:11 PM
I don't care about the rest of Asia. The human rights abuses in Burma make the rest look like a holiday camp.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.burmacampaign.org.uk%2Findex. php%2Fburma%2Fabout-burma%2Fabout-burma%2Fhuman-rights&ei=jo91TcqhEcqwhQffvOj9Bg&usg=AFQjCNFQVsjdyFUEPFdIVTY-1XyZhjhRmA&sig2=Q27w8zOTDLPNv4aVj5D8UA

Have a look, then tell me what there is that is possibly commendable..
If you'll take an oblective view, I'll retract.

drumbeat
03-07-11, 10:12 PM
Most of Southeast Asia.

Some really horrible countries:

China
Taiwan
Hong Kong
Korea
Malaysia
Phillipines
Viet Nam
Thailand
Singapore
And yes, those scamming bastards in Nigeria

Basically, these countries are some of the world's worst human rights abusers currently. They also have hands down some of the highest rates of human trafficking in world history.

Which ones of these place have you been to?

birch
03-07-11, 10:18 PM
I don't care about the rest of Asia. The human rights abuses in Burma make the rest look like a holiday camp.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.burmacampaign.org.uk%2Findex. php%2Fburma%2Fabout-burma%2Fabout-burma%2Fhuman-rights&ei=jo91TcqhEcqwhQffvOj9Bg&usg=AFQjCNFQVsjdyFUEPFdIVTY-1XyZhjhRmA&sig2=Q27w8zOTDLPNv4aVj5D8UA

Have a look, then tell me what there is that is possibly commendable..
If you'll take an oblective view, I'll retract.

i AM taking an objective view. i'm not looking through one peephole but at the larger world. you are more narrowly focused. you need a basic education. what happens in burma make the rest look like a holiday camp? why are you exageratting in relation to other places? i can understand that there are reasons but you seem to think what occurs there is unique which is not the case. yes, they are one of the worst with problems but they are not the only ones with these issues. you seem to think they are which means you are rather ignorant of the barbaric practices, oppression, mutiliations, torturing, and killings in many places.

seriously, how can anyone be this dumb to think what occurs in burma is unique?

drumbeat
03-07-11, 10:18 PM
As well, they have strange and peculiar fetishes in many of those asian countries. For example, a popular sexual fetish in China is the "crush fetish" in which asian women wearing high-heeled shoes stomp on fruit, toothpaste tubes, and then work their way up to bunnies, kittens, and puppies, and then they videotape it so that they (and others) can masturbate to the video later. Those are called chinese crush videos. There are even rumors that a few of those girls have stepped on some humans, killing them. In those cultural sinkholes, they have a whole different (and in my carefully considered opinion, less developed) attitude toward how animals -- and indeed, all life -- should be treated than we do.

People have strange and peculiar fetishes in every country. Europe and USA are of no exception.

You are clearly talking out of your arse.

Me-Ki-Gal
03-07-11, 10:23 PM
Non . I haven't been to any of those countries . Bikers is my best answer to the o.p . ( did I use that right ? ) You computer geeks drive Me crazy . Now I think it is not carpenters at all or Musicians , but it might be computer geeks and book worms . Yeah book worms can be some of the nastys of the nastys . Just the implication of worm says it all. Just Joking I love all of you . I like books

ULTRA
03-07-11, 10:26 PM
you need a basic education. what happens in burma make the rest look like a holiday camp? why are you exageratting in relation to other places? i can understand that there are reasons to but you seem to think what occurs there is the worst and unique which is not the case. yes, they are one of the worst with problems but they are not the only ones with these issues. you seem to think they are which means you are rather ignorant of the barbaric practices, oppression, mutiliations, torturing, and killings in many places.

If you read the damn article you would see about the routine extrajudicial killings, people being tortured routinely, 20 year jail terms for critisizing the junta, the murder of journalists, the forced labour camps, the civillians forced to carry ammunition in conflict zones etc. etc. etc.
But no, you'd rather stay ignorant and spout bullshit as per usual.

birch
03-07-11, 10:29 PM
If you read the damn article you would see about the routine extrajudicial killings, people being tortured routinely, 20 year jail terms for critisizing the junta, the murder of journalists, the forced labour camps, the civillians forced to carry ammunition in conflict zones etc. etc. etc.
But no, you'd rather stay ignorant and spout bullshit as per usual.

why is it i'm accused of being ignorant and why are you angry at me? if you care about spouting bullshit then why didn't you address willnever's post? see, that proves you are full of it.

how is someone supposed to take you seriously that you are being honest if you ignore the more erroneous posts in favor of attacking ones that aren't as much and call them trolling? that really makes you the troll who seems to have an agenda. that's pretty dishonest and despicable.

you need to learn how to use logic when making a point. we weren't disputing that occurs. it is just ignorant to think these things aren't occuring in other places. you just happened to pick the one you are interested in but the link i posted was more comprehensive.

i still don't understand why the middle-east and south america are so ignored. are these people not important to the west?

is what happens in asian countries more important to fix?

ULTRA
03-07-11, 10:36 PM
No, and that's why no-body cares. If what went on in Burma (please read the link, it's not too long) went on in the West there would be fury as to what happens there. It's because Burma is not important that they don't get bombed by the west.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.burmacampaign.org.uk%2Findex. php%2Fburma%2Fabout-burma%2Fabout-burma%2Fhuman-rights&ei=jo91TcqhEcqwhQffvOj9Bg&usg=AFQjCNFQVsjdyFUEPFdIVTY-1XyZhjhRmA&sig2=Q27w8zOTDLPNv4aVj5D8UA

chimpkin
03-07-11, 10:37 PM
I'd guess Burma to be slightly better than North Korea,where Kim Jong Il specializes in starving his people to death..Although since both have such tight media restrictions it's hard to say.
Indonesia, I seem to recall, doesn't oppress the majority population horribly... but some of its' minorities are very persecuted indeed.

Apparently, just because war is over does not mean that raping has stopped...gang-rape's become the national sport there...there have been thousands of cases of traumatic fistula-which is what happens when the bladder, or less commonly, bowel and bladder is perforated during rapes.

http://www.conversationsforabetterworld.com/2010/01/rape-epidemic-fuels-fistula-cases-in-the-democratic-republic-of-congo/

drumbeat
03-07-11, 10:38 PM
It's because Burma is not important that they don't get bombed by the west.

'Intervened with' may be a better phrase than bombed.

But the same with DRCongo, Colombia, Zimbabwe...

(edit: chimpkin seems to have brought up Congo at the same time as me.)

chimpkin
03-07-11, 10:40 PM
No, and that's why no-body cares. If what went on in Burma (please read the link, it's not too long) went on in the West there would be fury as to what happens there. It's because Burma is not important that they don't get bombed by the west.

Ultra, we have a long, sordid history of bedding down with nasty regimes to get our oil and other resources...I don't like it either, but Burma seems to be another in a long line of such.

:(

If the Burmese ever come here, I'll be sure and go hold a sign or something...

birch
03-07-11, 10:41 PM
No, and that's why no-body cares. If what went on in Burma (please read the link, it's not too long) went on in the West there would be fury as to what happens there. It's because Burma is not important that they don't get bombed by the west.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDAQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.burmacampaign.org.uk%2Findex. php%2Fburma%2Fabout-burma%2Fabout-burma%2Fhuman-rights&ei=jo91TcqhEcqwhQffvOj9Bg&usg=AFQjCNFQVsjdyFUEPFdIVTY-1XyZhjhRmA&sig2=Q27w8zOTDLPNv4aVj5D8UA

uh, i suppose it's good you are concerned about burma but my point was that similar links for a lot of countries that outline it's terrible problems or even say it's worst before or currently. i already posted a link with many countries that have grave issues and there are many articles on them.

birch
03-07-11, 10:45 PM
I'd guess Burma to be slightly better than North Korea,where Kim Jong Il specializes in starving his people to death..Although since both have such tight media restrictions it's hard to say.
Indonesia, I seem to recall, doesn't oppress the majority population horribly... but some of its' minorities are very persecuted indeed.

Apparently, just because war is over does not mean that raping has stopped...gang-rape's become the national sport there...there have been thousands of cases of traumatic fistula-which is what happens when the bladder, or less commonly, bowel and bladder is perforated during rapes.

http://www.conversationsforabetterworld.com/2010/01/rape-epidemic-fuels-fistula-cases-in-the-democratic-republic-of-congo/

uh, i think the west needs to focus on the middle-east where your current real problems lie at the moment.

it's weird that there is a war going on over there and people are still focused on asia. lol

um, don't you want to give those women and children freedom? how about so that they aren't ruled literally by the sexist societies where women and children can be essentially legally murdered basically by their families or where village stonings are normal?? hmm?
also, there is a lot of poverty there.

ULTRA
03-07-11, 10:49 PM
Ultra, we have a long, sordid history of bedding down with nasty regimes to get our oil and other resources...I don't like it either, but Burma seems to be another in a long line of such.

:(

If the Burmese ever come here, I'll be sure and go hold a sign or something...

The trouble is we're not bedded down with them They're so despotic and so evil that no other countries want to be associated with them. They live in international isolation. You can get 15 years in a hell-hole jail just for owning a fax machine. Modem's aren't allowed either without a licence.

ULTRA
03-07-11, 10:51 PM
The only people working with them is texaco. They are getting a pipeline built using slave-labour.

chimpkin
03-07-11, 10:58 PM
that would be Chevron/Texaco...I'll have to remind my wife of that fact...

I buy Chavez'z gas ATM (Valero), as he seems the least evil of the options..but as he goes downhill, that will likely change

Burma produces 90% of the world's rubies, unless there's an alternate source that's being used... and Japan's timber consortiums are happily in there clearcutting old-growth for particle-board furniture...

birch
03-07-11, 10:59 PM
The trouble is we're not bedded down with them They're so despotic and so evil that no other countries want to be associated with them. They live in international isolation. You can get 15 years in a hell-hole jail just for owning a fax machine. Modem's aren't allowed either without a licence.

i still don't understand you biased logic. in the middle-east, so-called honor killings due to culture or religion go by with little to no penalties, if that is ever enforced. that's why a father can murder their child or brother murder their sister etc. literally, these places are like traveling in a time machine back two thousand years in their cultural values which are that primitive!!! the judicial system there is also very scary and usually totally corrupt and backwards! africa is a foregone conclusion.

i can understand that burma has a despotic government but to think that they are the only ones with extreme problems or crazy shit going on is ridiculous.

why is it that asian countries are so focused on? it doesn't make one iota of any sense in light of the fact there are just as or in some cases, even more primitive and barbaric cultures!! my friend went to turkey and he witnessed someone fuck a goat right in the open! most of south america is pitiful and in terrible poverty and corruption too.

why is the big pink elephant which is massive amounts of primitive and barbaric cultures and countries by western thought which some are even still warring (and have never stopped even) ignored by the west while east asian or south-east countries particularly hold more interest?

ULTRA
03-07-11, 11:09 PM
I was not focusing specifically on Asia. Others did that. I was simply looking for the most despotic, inhumane, cruel and generally uncivillised country I could think of. In this respect Burma takes a hell of a lot of beating. There is also no right of free speach (20 years in jail), no right of assembly, no free media and the election winning opposition who gained 80% of the vote have all been tracked down, tortured and jailed indefinately.

birch
03-07-11, 11:18 PM
I was not focusing specifically on Asia. Others did that. I was simply looking for the most despotic, inhumane, cruel and generally uncivillised country I could think of. In this respect Burma takes a hell of a lot of beating. There is also no right of free speach (20 years in jail), no right of assembly, no free media and the election winning opposition who gained 80% of the vote have all been tracked down, tortured and jailed indefinately.

the stats show they are not the only ones. what you listed goes on in many places such as no free media etc, despotic etc, no free speech, jailed unfairly and brutally. again, it seems you don't realize these things occur regularly in more than just one country.

in the middle-east, civilians randomly and forcibly pulled out some american journalists in their car, burned them alive and hung them while cheering. hell, i don't know if they would do that in burma, perhaps. i know that probably wouldn't happen in china, singapore, malaysia, indonesia, korea, vietnam, phillipines, taiwan, (even north korea most likely) etc. it doesn't make sense the focus on 'uncivilized' with asians.

i just don't understand the more focus on asia or southeast asia by most westerners.

ULTRA
03-07-11, 11:26 PM
Birch, don't you have anything constructive to say at all or are you gonna keep on sitting there criticising other people whilst adding nothing to the debate, no facts, no figures no nothing. Just trolling away like you always do..

birch
03-07-11, 11:36 PM
Birch, don't you have anything constructive to say at all or are you gonna keep on sitting there criticising other people whilst adding nothing to the debate, no facts, no figures no nothing. Just trolling away like you always do..


your statement indicates that i'm right in that there is some peculiar fascination that westerners have with asian cultures or countries over others, probably because it's seen as the most opposite.

i did post facts which i'm sure you saw but again, peculiarly, ignored for the most part. and then you say i'm trolling when i think i've pretty much have been more realistic than most on this thread. that's kind of strange..

i just don't know how to wrap my head around how much shit has been going for ages between israel/pakistan (and how extremely fucked up they are) and all the poverty, corruption, despotic, barbaric practices and corrupt governments in the middle east, south america and even in some parts of europe/eastern europe as well as africa but asian countries are the most popular in the minds of westerners. i mean, they even strap bombs on themselves and blow eachother up almost literally everyday or there is some type of bombing or killing going on over some primitive religious issues usually (the warring part has always been going on and never stopped) and still asian countries are the ones focused on. that's almost hilarious. again, africa is a foregone conclusion. this thread is almost surreal.

word of advice: focus on your own fucking problems for a change at your backdoor which is mexico (they need your help), and the wars in the middle-east you are involved in.

yeah, get a fucking clue.

birch
03-08-11, 01:35 AM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/interactive/2010/oct/26/corruption-index-2010-countries-world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index

i seriously want to know why asian countries are demonized by the west more. it defies the rational or even realistic.

if this remains a social stigma, then the west deserves the same in return. i will make sure to just dig up dirt on them.

birch
03-08-11, 02:24 AM
Some of those countries may have modern amenities but that is merely a veneer for the brutal mentality that still exists in those places, which thrive predominantly off borrowed technology that they themselves did not develop.

that is NOTHING to be ashamed of! as a matter of fact, in reality people have to start somewhere and at least they are trying to build themselves up as best as they can. if i had the know-how to teach someone else something and they used it to better themselves, i would feel honored and that it was put to good use and it benefited other people. that's what knowledge is for!!!

what's truly shameful is your veiled attitude that countries which are trying to better themselves rather than wallow in backwardness so the likes of you can either ignore them or feel comforted that you can continually patronize them as unimportant is what drives most to demonize certain people more than others. that's truly pathetic, inhumane and downright small-minded.

that is the only reason i can think of that could be. there really is no current cultures at the moment right now except for mostly asian ones that are very industrious or trying to up and come.

as for modern amenities being a veneer, don't make me laugh! i could say that for the majority of even western people in developed countries where the animalistic and natural urges both positive and negative are right or barely controlled under the surface with complex laws and enforcement in place. some of the most brutal and animalistic and oversexed people i've met in the west too! doesn't make a difference if they live with modern conveniences. as a matter of fact, i learned all my uncouth and aggressive behavior in the west and dealing with and observing western people. i learned to use profanity liberally and be an ass by watching western people. how about that? shocking? only if you are blind to what goes on. i couldn't believe also the amount of craziness, disrespect and profanity i witnessed day in and day out at school and the rudeness in general society. don't imply that westerners are more civilized because that is just complete bullshit. asians in general are actually much more civil. there are tons of corrupt, immoral, ignorant and bad people that are native to western culture just as well.

as for piracy or corruption, grow a damn brain cell please! that's a huge problem everywhere, even in america. why the hell do you think peer to peer networks are so popular as well as all the upload/download sites and all the copyrighted content everywhere on the net continually. tons of western people download illegally all the damn time. it's not a matter of just people in other countries doing that. it is also indicative that ways of doing business or commerce will have to eventually change. it does no good to stifle flow of info.

WillNever
03-08-11, 07:12 AM
if you're going to be racist, at least have the decency to be closer to accurate, you waste of human shit for brains.

you are a dumbass, literally. anyone with a brain reading your post is going to have a laugh.

most of those weren't even southeast asian countries and hong kong is not a country to boot.

you idiotic human shit. post your hypocritical shit at ********** where truth does not matter. asshole

Query: are you of asian descent? Try to be honest, because little else would explain your hostility at this time, regardless of whether I am right or wrong.

Perhaps you are simply a fanatical asiophile?

sifreak21
03-08-11, 07:46 AM
simple the extreme religious

Fraggle Rocker
03-08-11, 04:33 PM
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