View Full Version : The models of god


daktaklakpak
01-03-02, 02:33 PM
What's the difference between you will the event to happen and you knew the event will happen? Which one has a greater degree of control, the former or the later?

If such event really occurred, do you consider that you remote controlled someone to complete the task(event) is the same as you did it yourself (with someone else as a tool)?

Now, here comes the question: How does god operate?

Is he a one man army, who is the general, the captain, and the soldier? Is he accountable for every act the army did, from building the castle to defending it? Do you think god created this universe and make sure every particle works the way it suppose? If you think it's too much or too trivial for god to handle, just like you don't care your computer's CPU is now having 1 millivolt less than the manual spec'ed, then I have an alternative model for god.

In this model, god operates like a gang. He did create the gang and become the mob boss. But he only controls the important stuff, like his lieutenants and master plans, but never his hoods and the detail works. In this case, god will obviously ignore most of the men because given the size of the universe, a supernova is much more noticeable than the birth/death of a man. It's like when you build your own computer, which one do you care more, the screen or the microcode inside the CPU when you turn on the power?

It all boils down to detail control or abstract control. Detail control gives the ability of all knowing, but eliminates free will and the concept of god, because everything is part of god. Abstract control allows free will and the concept of god, but eliminates the ability to know before hand because there is not absolute control.

KalvinB
01-03-02, 02:44 PM
One word, "sovereignty."

Ben

daktaklakpak
01-03-02, 03:07 PM
Have you heard of any one in power also do the dirty works himself?

KalvinB
01-03-02, 03:29 PM
God doesn't do dirty works because dirty works aren't needed. He does his own good work himself.

God allows Satan and us to do dirty works because that's what we desires and God can turn dirty works into blessings as he did with Job.

Ben

daktaklakpak
01-03-02, 05:22 PM
Dirty work is not necessary being bad, like cleaning up windows or washing dishes. They don't need god's blessing to become good.

BTW, sovereignty is still like a mob boss model.

If it's not absolute control to every particle, then it must be abstract control of some sort, with different degrees of detail.

KalvinB
01-03-02, 06:13 PM
Sovereignty is actually a King-like model. There are good kings and bad Kings and God certainly is the best King to work for.

Ben