View Full Version : The kid gloves are off


DJSupreme23
07-24-03, 02:35 PM
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/1200.htm

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"Since the events of 9/11," observes Lee Harris, America's reigning philosopher of 9/11, "the policy debate in the United States has been primarily focused on a set of problems - radical Islam and the War on Terrorism, the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians and weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein in Iraq."

We sense that these three problems are related, Harris notes in an article at TechCentralStation.com, but we can't quite figure out how. He proposes a subtle link between these seemingly disparate issues - and it's not specifically their common Muslim identity. Rather, it has to do with their unearned power.

"All previous threats in the history of mankind have had one element in common. They were posed by historical groups that had created the weapons, both physical and cultural, that they used to threaten their enemies." States achieved power through their own labor and sacrifice, developing their own economies, training their own troops and building their own arsenals.

The same cannot be said of the threats emanating from the Muslim world. Al Qaeda destroys airplanes and buildings that it itself could not possibly build. The Palestinian Authority has failed in every field of endeavor except killing Israelis. Saddam Hussein's Iraq grew dangerous thanks to money showered on it by the West to purchase petroleum Iraqis themselves had neither located nor extracted.

How, despite their general incompetence, has this trio managed to guide the course of events as if they were powers in the traditional sense?

The cause of this anomaly, Harris replies, is that the West plays by a strict set of rules while permitting al Qaeda, the Palestinians and Saddam Hussein to play without rules. We restrain ourselves according to the standards of civilized conduct as refined over the centuries; they engage in maximal ruthlessness.

Had the United States retaliated in kind for 9/11, Harris tells me, the Islamic holy places would have been destroyed. Had Israelis followed the Arafat model of murderousness, the West Bank and Gaza would now be devoid of Palestinians. Had the West done toward Iraq as Iraq did toward Kuwait, the Iraqi polity would long ago have been annexed and its oil resources confiscated.

nico
07-24-03, 02:47 PM
This Harris retard obviously has little insight into the fact that history has shown that there is only one way to bring down a hyperpower. Barbianians and terror, it worked with the Roman empire. No country can (except for China, and Russia) could actually threaten the US in any manner. Terrorism is like a bee, once you get it hurts and you DON"T forget the sting. Same with 9/11 the atcual attack had little value other than to scare 288 million Americans. And it worked didn't it, two wars later we still have terrorism. And if anything we will be getting more terrorism. Has Israel been able to stop terror? No, eventhough she has the world's 4th most powerful defensive military.

The cause of this anomaly, Harris replies, is that the West plays by a strict set of rules while permitting al Qaeda, the Palestinians and Saddam Hussein to play without rulesWe restrain ourselves according to the standards of civilized conduct as refined over the centuries; they engage in maximal ruthlessness.



:bugeye: and so? They get the job done don't they? And Rules! LMFAO! get a clue moron "rules" are for those Euro babies, this is the NWO get used to it. So stop bitching and fight it.

DJSupreme23
07-24-03, 02:52 PM
You manage to completely miss the point of the article, nico.

nico
07-24-03, 02:53 PM
Have I? Explain?

jps
07-24-03, 04:02 PM
kid gloves? new york post? hahaha

The post is the paper that called a CUNY teach in about the war in afghanistan "anti-american" and called for the professors involved to be fired.
Typical that they'd print an article of Daniel Pipe's ranting.

a couple points....
Pipes seems to imply that because the muslims hadn't been refining the oil on their land that it was ok for foreign powers to steal it....
if you had oil on your land that you didn't know about and, one day while walking in a field on your land you find that I've built an oil refinery their, am taking the oil away for my benefit and have posted armed guards to keep you from approaching, you'd have every right to be angry and to use force to remove me from your land.

Pipes also ignores the historical reasons for the "inability" of the muslim world to build weapons and airplanes, and, as is his usual way, implies that it is because they are inferior people.

More on pipes:http://www.hatewatchers.org/pipes/index.htm

Ghassan Kanafani
07-24-03, 04:09 PM
We sense that these three problems are related

we can't quite figure out how

more is not needed to be said about his thought processes .

We restrain ourselves according to the standards of civilized conduct as refined over the centuries; they engage in maximal ruthlessness.

What a joke , you know its beautifull how you can actually twist a quantitative reality that rises from here to mars into "irrelevant" and deduct some sort of "civilized" condition from it .

I blame it all on Kant

You manage to completely miss the point of the article, nico.


[opint of your article Petey is :
Muslims are evil we are best .

Get a life man

DeeCee
07-24-03, 04:56 PM
DJ man you gotta know this is all BS so why post it? Let me point out one or two things...Lee Harris, America's reigning philosopher of 9/11
Americas what?:eek:
weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Saddam Hussein in Iraq
Err what WMD? You mean the ones we haven't found and members of the defeated Baath party still insist don't exist.
We sense that these three problems are related, Harris notes in an article at TechCentralStation.com, but we can't quite figure out how
'Sense'? Nonsense:p
"All previous threats in the history of mankind have had one element in common. They were posed by historical groups that had created the weapons, both physical and cultural, that they used to threaten their enemies
This is so wrong I can't even be arsed to refute it.

Enough already. You post articles like this your just gonna get laughed at. Try posting something with facts in it then we can have a lively debate!

Take care now.
Dee Cee

Tiassa
07-24-03, 05:07 PM
It's nice to know that, after all the vilification of Arabs and Muslims, after all the bile and hatred spewed about, after all the knee-jerk hyperreaction ....

It's nice to know that once we account for that, the way to lead the world to something better is to aspire to be equal to what we allegedly despise.

What's the Post's motto? "All the news that's printed to fit"?

If Americans can't aim any higher, what exactly separates "us" from "them"?

Once again human decency and the mere shadow of the appearance of integrity come down to who can bang the biggest.

Those are the rules we in the West set long ago. Who is to say that "they" in the "Muslim world" aren't saying,

- In brief, until the West plays by the rules, we must be prepared to act like them, without dignity, compassion, or regard for human value.

Was anybody really surprised on September 11? Check that ... Was anybody really surprised on September 11 other than the fact that today was the day as opposed to yesterday or tomorrow?

Was anybody really surprised that someone finally hauled off and kicked us in the sac?

I wasn't. Except for the fact that it had taken us so long. I mean, the truck bombing of 1993 was almost humorous.

The deposit?

:m:,
Tiassa :cool:

Deepuz
07-24-03, 09:44 PM
and so? They get the job done don't they? And Rules! LMFAO! get a clue moron "rules" are for those Euro babies, this is the NWO get used to it. So stop bitching and fight it.

Wow those Euro babies....LOL......moron rules.......Teee heee
That is quite amusing :-)