In 1989 a British historian named David Irving who was known for his controversy was in Austria and said "The hollocaust didnt happen, they died through disease" Now before you all say "HOW CAN HE SAY THAT! DID HE NOT DO GCSE HISTORY!" There is a small but very powerful voice that says that there were no gas chambers in the concentration camps and that the evidence to support this claim is there and that the jews died through disease in the camps. But because he said this in Austria it presents a problem... Because in Austria to deny the hollocaust and other natzi crimes is punishable by a jail sentance. So nearly 20 years later David Irving appeared in an Austrian court today and said this... "I pleed guilty to the charge, I made a mistake when I said there were no gas chambers at Auschwitz" And now he has been jailed for three years.... Now for me I fail to see the justice in that, surely a fine or even some community service for a bizzare law would be more appropriate? Especially following all the hoo-ha over the muslim cartoons. i.e. one people can say what they like... but another now cant... surely this man should be freed?
There are a lot of things that don't make sense and this is one of them. And to get 3 years for this when he pleaded guilty. What would he have got if he didn't plead guilty? Austria should be ashamed of themselves today their country has given free speech another kick in the balls, just when it's not needed in light of the rescent cartoons.
That’s because Austria has a holocaust compensation claim settlement coming up this year . It seems to me that this David Irving case was done to appease the powerful US Jewish lobby that made life hell for the Swiss over their Holocaust bank account compensation claim . That cost the Swiss some $3 billion , it turned out there was only some $35 million in unclaimed holocaust Swiss bank accounts .
Irving obviously forgot to interview the soliders who entered the concentration camps. A good friend of my grandfathers, who was also in artillery, was one who actually witnessed the camp at Dachau. I had the opportunity to speak with him at my grandfathers funeral, and had an interesting talk. He said you could still smell the stink from the ovens, because they had been running up until the end. Shame on men like Irving who would like to avoid the truth, for he is an insult to every man who gave their life fighting the nazis. He should, however, be free to speak if he has not caused anyone direct harm as a result of that speech.
that would be a good idea except i dont want to look crazy. There is so much evidence for the holocaust that its just retarded to deny it. Although i dont think you should put a guy in jail for 3 years because he denies it.
I doubt we are seeing the full picture here. source Maybe there is more to the story than just his pleading guilty. edit: "The hollocaust didnt happen" - indeed, but the holocaust did. Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
Regarding the topic, has anybody read: "A Moral Reckoning : The Role of the Catholic Church in the Holocaust and Its Unfulfilled Duty of Repair" by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen? His previous book was "Hitler's Willing Executioners : Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust". Any comments?
it´s not only the gaschambers? did ur greandfathers see 6 million yews die? no i don´t think so...coz it never happend! yeah jews did die but not more 2,5 million! rest is bullshit...money making for the jews! muslims, gipsys and many more died under Hitler rule....but one only hears about the jews or atleast they r getting all the $$!!
Advice: read some general references on a subject before you start shouting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust And honestly I cannot see the logic behind you anger. 2.5 million is not enough for a holocaust? Jews died to make money? I would think they were actually doing quite well for themselves before they were murdered.
Dil_420 I don't like your emotional rants. I don't like your inability to type correctly. I don't like your liking for text-speak. I don't like your flaunting of effective grammatical rules. I don't like your blatant sabre rattling. I don't like your noxious agenda. I don't like your lack of logical thought. I don't like your misinterepretation of history. I don't like your absence of evidence. I am sure, were we to meet, you would turn out to be a thoroughly likable member of humanity, so why is it, on this forum, you come across as such an asshole?
Does 'free speech' imply you are allowed to bare faced lie about something? Irving was stupid. First, a 'historian' should know his facts. As has been stated, people here have relatives who went to concentration camps during the liberation og Germany, and found gas chambers. To claim otherwise shows he has an agenda. Second, if he was any good at research, he'd have knwn he was breaking the law when he made those statements. I;m sure he could have used terminology that wouldn't have put him in breach of this law if he'd thought carefully about it. Lastly, knowing what he'd done, why did he return to Austria? What gives? He's trying to make himself a martyr, that's what. When interviewed whether he now accepted that 6M Jews died during the Holocaust, he said 'millions died, but I'm no expert'. Er, well, he previously thought he was expert enough to make proclamations about gas chambers. So, he deserved to be found guilty, although I think jail is a bit excessive. I'd have preferred community service of some kind. Something relevant, send him to Rwanda to aid people there, and give him time to muse on genocide.
it's been estimated that about 6 million jews were exterminated by the nazis and it wasn't only the jews that suffered, france paid a heavy price too.
Wasn't it poland and the soviet union who suffered most (as countries)? Not sure anymore and too lazy to look it up.
The jews were the main target and paid the heaviest price but also targeted were anyone considered 'inferior'. That would include the physically and mentally disabled, german dissidents, homosexuals, slavs and poles... This proves the hypocrisy behind evil agenda. The jews are and were very intelligent and successful and the germans through their jealousy scapegoated them for their own failure in the end wiping out anyone that would be a challenge or a burden. The 'ends justify the means.'
the russians fought a pitched battle with the nazis in the battle of stalingrad the russians were literaly walking on top of their dead i am not sure about this but i beleive hitler asked warsaw to surrender in exchange for not bombing the city, when they did hitler pulverized it hitler has to be the biggest asshole of all time
I just don't know. I had one history teacher a long time ago say that ovens were used to dispose of clothes and dead bodies so that infection would not spread. I had another teacher much later say that live people were crammed inside. Either one sucks, but why this single atrocity seems promoted as far more significant than every other atrocity in the world's history, nobody seems to ask. Wisest policy may be to not care about this one any more than any other one that has happened. With overpopulation turning once beautiful ecosystems into polluted wasteland, perhaps the best response to such things is good and well!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Casualties_by_country here is a nice table which shows casualties by country and also a subdivision of the casualties in jews etc. Poland seems to be hit quite hard.
