Over time metalheads gain enough experience and insight to realize that, with a few exceptions, the metal genre is unthinking slobs slashing out three chord rock and pretending that somehow it is more "profound" than other rock music. This has reached its peak in black metal, where the crowd who believe that socialization is more important than music content now impress each other with new aesthetic recombinations of the same old, same old.

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With a few exceptions, the metal genre is unthinking slobs slashing out three chord rock and pretending that somehow it is more "profound" than other rock music.Don't diss one genre because all of rock and roll is going through a dry spell. Iron Butterfly's "Unconscious Power" was arguably the first heavy metal song identified as such, and it had more chords than Beethoven. Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, Blue Oyster Cult, Robin Trower, none of those founders of metal played three-chord rock like Buddy Holly and Elvis.

Sure Ratt and Slaughter came along, but so did Def Leppard. I still can't get some of their chords to come out of my guitar. Audioslave is the king of the genre today, and they not only have more harmonic dynamics than anybody, but also tone dynamics. Their music will not be as easily covered by the next generation of garage bands as the Rolling Stones.

Metallica and Velvet Revolver don't think they're more profound than Radiohead and Fiona Apple. They're just being profound in a different way. And sometimes they all let their hair down and just play for fun.

Godsmack RULES! They are f***ing awesome... Rob Zombie, White Zombie, Powerman5000, Metallica, Korn, Coal Chamber, Nine inch nails, Avenged Sevenfold... they all rule.

Monster Magnet. Nothing comes close.

I used to love Metallica and other metal bands (accept "Nu-Metal of course) but now i find myself only likeing the sub genre's like Prog/Power/Neo-classical,Space,Fantasy,Symphonic etc....

The above "genres" are the type of music ive always been looking for, but didnt know they existed till i got into metal, so thanks metal

:)

But Progressive and Power metal is where it is at now!!!!

pm5k and metallica are empty
their lyrics have ne meaning
they are simply overproduced generic metal

Well, I will keep to Blind Guardian, one of the best power metal bands ever. But hey, I know some good and pretty innovative metal bands, but they are only local ones...perhaps they will get famous some day. :D
But there is a future, you just have to search for good music.

8 foot sativa is pretty good, the first album sounds prettymuch the same on all tracks but the second album is good

If you want to discover some metal that is so trashy it's camp, check out Drain sth, their second (I guess) album, "Freaks of Nature." It's an all-girl Swedish goth-metal band that's about as real as the Monkees and just as much fun. Pure formula, slick production, tight harmonies, power chords lifted straight from Korn. Lyrics that span the entire downer spectrum from mere despair to frelling leeches! All sung with a sultry-scary accent like Abba on meth. Sounds like the music they play on the elevators in Hell, hehe. Great fun, good for a road trip or a theme party. Somebody really put a lot of work into it and it shows.

Eek, I have seen them already... I would like to meet them one time, and leave with a blood dripping chainsaw. http://www.dark-smilies.de/pics/Metzel/metzel011.gif

the best blackmetal imho is EMPEROR, ILDJARN, IMMORTAL, LIMBONIC ART

This is the wrong thread for black metal only. :D

This reminds me, not long ago I was browsing the hard and heavy CD section of a local store and some kiddies appear beside me. One of them said:"Look, the new Slipknot album... you have to buy this, those guys are so cool and their music is really evil and they are the best and so on..." I could not help but laugh at them. Slipknot sounds so faked, I advised that it would be much better to buy a Pantera, Children of Bodom or Cannibal Corpse CD, much better stuff...but of course, the little idiots never heard of those bands. So they bought this great Slipknot CD.

Food for the masses...errr, I mean maggots.

Slipknot totally sucks
their "music" and "lyrics" is suited for stupid teenagers at most

p.s. I'm proud that I started with good black metal (Skyforger) and not some nushit :m:

I personally enjoy Slipknot. However, their old stuff is so much better than Subliminal Verses 3. They've softened so much. Even some acoustic songs. The price to pay to make it mainstream I suppose. I like all music though. Every genre. People can't believe that one CD collection contains Children of Bodom, Good Charlotte, Phil Collins, The Casualties, Ashlee Simpson, Skinny Puppy, Eminem, and The Beatles. Among many more of course.

I'm going to a Bodom show and a Skinny Puppy show in a couple of weeks. Can't wait.

Heh, perhaps Slipknot is good, but they sound like a bad version of Pantera, so I would conclude that Pantera is better.

Also, I think that the new Slipknot album sounds better than the older ones, but they are sounding somewhat fake and soft all the time. And Slipknot was always mainstream:p

Who's Ashlee Simpson if I may ask?

Ashlee Simpson is Jessica Simpson's younger sister.

So? Then who is Jessica Simpson?

Yes, Slipknot was always mainstream, but their videos were rarely played in a "prime" timeslot. They were also rarely on talk shows like Conan and Kimmel until SV3. To me, it matters not how "mainstream" an artist or band is. If I like them, I listen. I just don't like when artists/bands change to become mainstream. Not to say Slipknot softened to become mainstream; I heard that a few of them are in love and whatnot.

So? Then who is Jessica Simpson?

Another blonde pop star. More virginal than Britney. Hit TV show "Newlyweds" with her husband Nick Lachey, boy band sensation. I don't like her. Just Ashlee. Even Ashlee is iffy sometimes though.

Nobody truely likes a genre of music. They get lured into a genre, they might "agree" with it or some such trivial thing, or "want to be the guy who's a metal fan" and then force themselves to only like songs from that genre, many of which they don't really like as much as they like Jojo's "get out(leave)", but they would never admit to liking Jojo, not even to themselves. They're a metal fan, they have established that about themselves.

I've been there, I "liked" punk and punished my poor ears with nofx, and so on and etc. I tried to find "my" genre as stupid teenagers do.
Now I like songs. I've realised the odds of one artist bringing out more than one song I like are incredibly slim. It's happened a couple of times, but it's rare. A genre being consistently satisfying will never happen.
The song that makes someone or a band famous is usually ok, then they are given a permit to make shit. There are exceptions, and genuinely talented people/bands, but there is no talented genre.

You'll find the truely great bands either don't fit a genre or invented one.
Bands that fit genres can only make money because teenagers and wannabe cool adults decide to like genres, to become the "punk fan" (for example) and then randomly pick whats available from within that genre, coming up with little reasons why they like these guys and not those guys so they seem legit.
Keep in mind this is all subconscious, there are people who truely believe their favourite band is "a simple plan" and they have seriously thought up reasons why a simple plan is better than "sum 41", "even though sum 41 still rock". You know, they could talk to you about this subject like an expert. They've worked hard to trick themselves into liking a simple plan.
Even though I'm sure scientists could prove that no member of the homo sapien species could possibly actually like a simple plan's music, not 1 person would honestly like a simple plan, this I am sure of.
They were just put on the shelf and people needed a band so they grabbed one.

I'm not a red hot chilli peppers fan, but off the top of my head they're a good example of the real deal who deserve to be recording artists. I actually hate U2 but they also fit into this category. People legitimately liked their music and thats how they became famous.
They aren't genres, they're just bands. I'm sure plenty of people grabbed them off the shelf too, but they became a product in the first place because they were talented. Not because they fitted into a genre which had proven to sell records.

What's wrong with U2? Just curious.

How come no one here mentioned Tool? Tool might not be the hardest, but certainly one of the deepest bands. Much of their music is quite complex too. I guess that their is not any drummers in here.

Wow Lou, that was pretty dead on.
I think metal's only good when it's live, otherwise it's shite.
Anyone here listen to the Blood Brothers?

My brother's a metalhead. I can't stand most metal because I despise the incoherent growling (conversely, my brother thinks Gershwin's "An American in Paris" is a bunch of noise), but I'm starting to get into Tool. Would you classify them as metal, because the singing is usually quite mellow compared to harder metal bands. Keegan's voice seems to be about as loud as that guy from Linkin Park.

I really like that song "Aenima", mostly because of the vocals (very calm and subdued, then a hyperkinetic chorus).

Tool is not metal and is one of the suckiest wanabee metal bands around. They call themselves "love metal".

Ya, maynard is one of my favorite singers. But I really like tool because I think that Danny Cary is the best rock drummer currently. And I guess tool wouldn't be classified as Metal. I just thought that I would bring them up. I thinkt that the best metal band was probably pantera.

Avatar, I like you. You seriously crack me up. I am not trying to make fun of you man.

If Led Zeppelin is metal, Tool is definitely metal.

Led Zep is nowhere near metal, Tool sucks big time

Fuck Tool, listen to Burzum.

I can't believe that so many people in an "intelligent community" don't like tool. Tool is one of the most, if not the most intelligent music available.

Danny Cary, the drummer of tool, is even better than Niel Peart, the drummer for rush.

Tool is good music according to your subjective scale, but not to ours.
What is "intelligent music" anyways?

p.s. let me say it one more time :) -> tool sucks!

R.E.M. >> Tool on the intelligent music scale.

"I can't believe that so many people in an "intelligent community" don't like tool. Tool is one of the most, if not the most intelligent music available."

Tool is overrated, decent music that succeeds for being the closest to decent the mainstream (yes fag-boys, TooL is maiNstream) gets.

Give me an example of how Tool is so "intelligent".
And don't say "Lateralus" or I will hunt you down and choke the life out of your diseased body.

Nobody should listen to Burzum instead of Tool. They should punish themselves for taking Tool seriously by breaking apart their cds and using the sharp edges to carve Sarcofago's insignia on their flesh.

Yeah, where is Tool intelligent?

Is there no drummers in here?

Is there no drummers in here?

i'm a drummer... i don't like tool.. but highly respect danny cary... however... although i'm not a huge rush fan (i only like a couple of songs)... no one compares to neil peart... sorry to break it to ya dude... watch rush live in rio and see what i mean

I know I said I hated growling in metal, but I've just started listening to some Dimmu Borgir, and I actually like it, mainly because it's like an escapist fantasy into an overdramatic Gothic novel. That Satanism stuff is entertaining, not scary or offensive. But apparently Dimmu Borgir doesn't rank high on the hardcore scale of metal so I feel kind of guilty.

You know, I'm starting to like Tool, but the number one thing that repelled me before was the seemingly overt pretentiousness of Tool fans. Like right here, right now, everybody is saying how Tool is soooo smart and only smart people can understand Tool (I'm inferring this to be the case). It's like there are music fans (mere mortals) and Tool fans (incomprehensible geniuses). I too want to know what makes Tool so frigging smart. Their lyrics can be interpreted many ways? Any decent band has at least some ambiguous lyrics. I agree that Tool's drumming is manic and impressive, but how exactly does that make them smarter? They may be more technically proficient, but that's kind of like saying Liszt was more musically ingenious than Beethoven because the former was an unparalleled virtuoso (though Beethoven was an excellent pianist as well).

Sarcofago <3 <3 <3

Lol Jews Did Wtc

I see what you mean chris. Point taken.

Any decent band has at least some ambiguous lyrics.
See? What the fuck is that?
How could that possibly be a prerequisite for a decent band?
The only thing I can think of is you must lead a very boring life and find deciphering lyrics to be an entertaining way to pass the time.
You are a very sad lame person if that is the case, but even lamer for demanding bands offer you that service before you will consider them decent.

there are many great bands and artists that have little to none lyrics at all for example "Dead Can Dance", Vangelis, Mike Oldfield, "Hocico", "In Slaughter Natives" and then of course Johannes Brahms, A. Vivaldi, Ludwig Van Beethoven, and I can continue and continue with bands and artists from all styles (ambient, noise, industrial, classical, EBM, metal, etc) who have no or little lyrics, but they are better than many of those who depend heavely on lyrics.

Sextrash. Sextrash. Sextrash.

"Is there no drummers in here?"

Are there. Not to be picky, but if you're going to say a band is tailored to intelligent people (counting yourself among them), try to use proper grammer.

But to intelligence, is it music's place to be 'intelligent'?
Even the stuff people think I'm a pretentious fuck for listening to, Vivaldi and Moeran, is not particularly intelligent. Certainly it took intelligence to create, and a healthy aesthetic sense to appreciate - but it does not take high intelligence to hear a piece and like it.

Ambiguous lyrics and intricate chord structures (I may have got the term wrong) do not make your band intelligent. They show that effort has been put into it, creative power used, but no more than that. Slayer has some very daunting, well-thought riffs - yet I doubt that headbanging to 'Hell Awaits' is a mark of genius.

But then, maybe Slayer just should have written more obscure and homo-erotic lyrics.

"Lurking in the dismal fog
Hungry for some cock
Seeking harmless victims
While prying open my third eye"

The future is with the rivetheads!

I go sleep now :bugeye:

Pink Steel

See? What the fuck is that?
How could that possibly be a prerequisite for a decent band?
The only thing I can think of is you must lead a very boring life and find deciphering lyrics to be an entertaining way to pass the time.
You are a very sad lame person if that is the case, but even lamer for demanding bands offer you that service before you will consider them decent.

I should have left out the word "decent". But there are some crappy bands out there whose lyrics are predictable and constantly rehashed that you already know what they mean before you hear them. What I was trying to say was that a lot of bands out there have lyrics that may take several listenings before you start to put it together.

I find lyrics are secondry to the actual music, good lyrics are just a bonus.

Without a doubt, one of the most technhicly proficient bands on this planet are symphony x, theve also got the BEST singer in the world from any genre, plus their music contains HUGE ammounts of passion.

Atheist, for example, has all that and more.

Or Demilich.

CRAdEl OF FILTH GILDED CUNT

BEST SONG EVER UNLESS METALLICA COMES BACK FROM DEATH

Well im a stupid teenager... what else?

New Model Army rocks !! :)