Science says: "perpetual motion is in utter impossibility" and has ridiculed and derided ALL overbalancing wheel attempts.
Science says: "we humans self evolved from apes"

My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ said: "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words will not pass away"

It is with honor, joy and humility that I share what was given to me:


http://www.otherpower.com/images/scimages/11/Gravity_Wheel_8.jpg


I used 3/16" spring wire of the type used in making those long magnetic pickup tools that can be bought at hard ware stores such as big lots for $.99 each. For the weights, I used 4 ounce lead balls.

YAHWEH bless you in YAHSHUA, Jesus Christ, this day.

A voice in the wilderness

It is with honor, joy and humility that I share what was given to me:

Proof of the power of brainwashing.

Originally posted by techstuf
Science says: "perpetual motion is in utter impossibility" and has ridiculed and derided ALL overbalancing wheel attempts.
Science says: "we humans self evolved from apes"


Can you please explain (in depth) how this diagram is supposed to disprove either of these statements?

I assume it is supposed to prove that an over-unity device IS possible (not the ape thing).

Care to give an explanation of how it works and how it is over-unity?

Techstuff, I hate to burst your bubble, but that diagram does not in any way, shape or form disprove that man evolved from apes. :p

Tom

That is not the point at all......it will serve it's point quite adequately which is this:

Man, especially high minded self worshipping foolish ones are quite fallible and so are some of their "laws".


When it is shown that these haughty physicists whose "laws" are defective were wrong about such a simple thing as this, a few of you will question them on some of their other foolishness, ie. the notion that a bunch of cells got together to produce an unfathomably long string of coincidences and write their own genetic code to produce humans.


GOD bless you in Christ,


techstuf

Originally posted by techstuf
blah blah blah... When it is shown that these haughty physicists whose "laws" are defective were wrong about such a simple thing as this...
blah blah blah

This isn't the religion forum.

How does this sketch DO that?

What about this design refutes any physiscists laws?

How does this design prove (or even suggest) that an over-unity device can be created?

Support your assertions.

This diagram is a variation of the studies Da Vinci did in perpetual motion, the device would lose 1/8th of it's momentum per revolution, and by the act of friction come to a stop.
They make nice toys though, maybe you could set up a buisness and sell them as curiousities.
Hey stop ragging him, this is classical mechanics, something not taught anymore.

This device is self sustaining and any calculations to the contrary are in error. The springs convert gravitational energy to stored energy at postitions 9-12 o'clock when viewed as a clock face. This energy is returned at postitions 1-3 O'clock. Mine is not unique and had Bessler been more selfless, things may have been a bit different. Ask Burt Rutan about his overbalancing waterwheel.....the one in his living room. The one he designed his whole house around.


GOD bless,


techstuf out

Didn’t your Lord and Savior say anything to you about lying?

YAHWEH bless you in YAHSHUA, Jesus Christ, yesterday.

thanks.

yahweh bless yeshua this day.

Science is Law, most laws are speculated off of a theory. Now if you can prove to me with a video that this will constantly move. now by theory, Perpetual motion cannot exist as long as there is gravity, the same as absolute 0, because there will always be heat

I roll my eyes once again. I get so many kicks out of some of these threads.

FRICTION!

Hmmmm Im thinking that it wouldnt matter if his hosue was based upon it, I do not believe it would constantly work if lets say he was walking around his house, the shifting weight would cause some adverse effects, even then i do not believe it would work in the first place, as iv said to everyone else, show me a video

On a side note, man did not evolve from apes (a common misconception). We simply have a common ancestry.

Originally posted by Alpha
On a side note, man did not evolve from apes (a common misconception). We simply have a common ancestry.

bingo! i hate when people say we came from monkeys and use that to prove god.

bingo! i hate when people say we came from monkeys and use that to prove god.

why dose every one choose to argue that creation and evelotion are contradictory of one another.:confused:



On a side note, man did not evolve from apes (a common misconception). We simply have a common ancestry.

i think apes evolved from man
they are physicaly superior to us :D

as to perpetual motion the laws of physics are based on it
abody in motion will contenue in that motion until acted on by an outside force.
for every action there is an =&oppisite reaction.:cool:

Sorry, techstuf, in heaven they may not have to obey the laws of thermodynamics, but here on earth we can't create a perpetual motion device.

what makes you guys even think you exist?

Mystech, you are succinct, right to the point. Thank you for your comment.
You are absolutely correct on both points. In heaven they do not have to obey the "laws of thermodynamics" and "We" can't create a perpetual motion device.


Good day and GOD bless,


Peace,


techstuf out

what makes you guys even think you exist?:m:

http://www.otherpower.com/images/sc...ity_Wheel_8.jpg

Well why don't you apply for a Nobel? Surely this 'discovery'
changes everything about how we understand mechanics :eek:

Originally posted by techstuf
Mystech, you are succinct, right to the point. Thank you for your comment.
You are absolutely correct on both points. In heaven they do not have to obey the "laws of thermodynamics" and "We" can't create a perpetual motion device.


Good day and GOD bless,


Peace,


techstuf out

Jesus, there is no Physics in heaven, i dont recall god stating anything about friction, or about jesus being some sort of physicist... i mean really, since when did jesus study how weight transfers energy as it slides across something creating friction, i dont think i believe in Physics professor jesus... now as for glow in the dark jesus, and hard hat jesus.. those are another thing

First, I must assume that you are, of course, being sarcastic. Cute, but sarcastic. To be frank, I like your style. To be real and frank: I, rather like Nobel, discovered long ago that there are much more important things in life than self interest. Nobel ended his life with his own sincere, self nomination for a REAL prize.....and no, it didn't bear his name. It was ever lasting life. He asked his FATHER and mine, to be admitted into HIS kingdom, eternally. I did not set out to change anyone's thinking about mechanics.....although that outcome is a distinct possiblity. I am merely passing on something given to me for that very purpose. To pass it on and change the thinking of a chosen few. Some of you may wake up from your self induced comas just long enough to realize that there is a greater teacher for you to follow than the one(s) who so tritely and arrogantly instilled in you such simple and tragic errors as these so called "laws of science". The mere act of naming them "laws" instead of "currently observed principles" or "strongly held beliefs" precludes an open and inquisitive process......and subjects one to their inherent inaccuracies by subliminal intimidation, at the least. The only immutable laws were set down by the one who created you and me. The one whose anger grows hot at the ones who still preach heretical and arrogant nonsense that pervades the earth today. You may choose to foollow those that teach that your unfathomably complex DNA code was self written over the course of what amounts to an even more unfathomable and astronomical string of contiguous coincidences and other such "laws" or nonsense forced upon our children as "fact". I for one, am happy here in my place at the feet of Christ. For how often can one say that they were presented with the perfect privilege of delivering such a gift as this. Surely, it will frustrate many that such a simple device as this has escaped them and their rhetorical logic. I ask you, will your own teacher(s) who have most likely derided and ridiculed such an "unlikely" thing as this, make aplogy for their error? I can tell you that even if they would, then the vast majority still would NOT. They would curse my teacher all the more and the ONE who sent Him. It is my wish and I believe, my Master's before me, that the wheels start turning.......and His teachings begin tumbling around and round in the heads of His lost ones that there might be time enough for them to return to Him. Tell me, if you could see the sight of a simple wheel that turns of itself continually by making use of gravity and it be made true to you, would you make such a consideration? Or would you simply say, as many others will, Oh my, isn't that great! You know, I always thought that this just "might" be possible! I can see now that it makes use of gravity in a way we simply didn't see before! Our understanding was simply limted and this really changes nothing because the wheel is acted upon by an external force, gravity and is converting it to another form of energy! Arrogance or Humility......always such an easy choice for most. Tis a brave one that remains humble in victory......while the coward is arrogant even in their own defeat.


GOD bless,


techstuf

To put it kindly: Techstuf, take your idiotic religious rantings to the religion forum, because frankly no one here gives a shit, and you are making a complete and utter fool of yourself, and trust me, by the standards of those who post around here, making a fool of yourself is an extreemly difficult thing to do!

Originally posted by techstuf
Tell me, if you could see the sight of a simple wheel that turns of itself continually by making use of gravity and it be made true to you, would you make such a consideration?

Sure, but of course we’ll not see this sight from you. It’s a pity you don’t realize that your real master seeks money.

You're correct. I was being Sarcastic. Regarding your little design,
I would have to perform a more detailed examination on it to
come to any conclusion; however, I know all about friction and
force and I don't see your design being perpetual. Have you
considered filming maybe a weeks worth of motion and doing
an actual mathematical proof?

Anyhow, it looks like your main goal is an attack on science by
using what in your opinion is 'scientific flaw' as a proof that
'God' exists (which is like saying that a diamond with a crack in
it proves that the LockNess monster exists... it just makes no
sense). Quite frankly you probably owe the quality of your
life (and your Freedom... religions, political, or otherwise) to
science. Had a vaccination or surgery? Drive a car? Talk with your
family on a cell phone? All the results of innovations based on
the observation, identification, description, experimental
investigation, and theoretical explanation of phenomena (ie.
Science). Consequently, if some theory turns out to be flawed
then no problem... it can be adjusted.

What does 'God' result in? Thousands of religions which can't
agree, war, hypocracy, fear, intimidation, lack of freedom,
terrorism, and the list goes on. On top of that 'God' is a belief.
A belief is 'acceptance without proof'. When you live a life of
accepting things without proof you do a dis-service to your brain.

Q: When's the last time 'God' as spoken to you? I am not talking
about ambiguous symbolic pseudo-communication. I am talking
about delivering a direct vocal message from him to you?

Q: If 'God' exists then why does he not stop by to say 'Hi'? Heck
take him out to Starbucks and buy him a Frap. Hang out.

Originally posted by Mystech
To put it kindly: Techstuf, take your idiotic religious rantings to the religion forum, because frankly no one here gives a shit, and you are making a complete and utter fool of yourself, and trust me, by the standards of those who post around here, making a fool of yourself is an extreemly difficult thing to do!

Mystech has a very good point behind that last line... BAKKA BAKKA BAKKA! WOOWOOWOOWOOWOOOWOOOO Now excuseme, I Must go relieve myself IN A PRINGLES CAN!

So anyways, i just actually read everything techstuff said, Looks to me, like hes saying the exact same thing i saw in the movie bulletproof monk, if you dont believe in it, the law doesnt apply, *Not sure if i got that right* However, then if your stating that, i do no believe gravity exists, now i will proceed to go outside, jump off my house, and try and fly like superman, and when i die, and i get judged, im telling god its your fault =P

JoojooSpaceape
whos to say god would waste her time with your passing?
and do you realy believe you can believe you will not fall and injure yourself?
or will you perform the act with the fear in your mind?
:D
jesus is an alien not a son of god!
he just knew everyone was pre programed to belive such what they told.
:D
how can THE GOD have a son?
it is shear arrogance of humans to assume such a limited concept of life generation.
sure maybe he was a profit but most of all he was a builder who
begged for food from other people while giving advice on living a better life. in other words he was an advice for food trading counselor!
techstuf...
yes allot of scientists are limited in thier ability to think clearly and openmindedly its a side effect of certain things
and
there is allot easyer way to create a perpetual motion motor than the way you have depicted.
its just that to use one to power a money printing press is the only form currently being sought.
a PERPETUAL MOTION MOTOR IS OUTDATED!
free energy is the only real form of drive system that is relative to this civilisation.
and more is the point that too many people covet huge profits and power from current energy systems so untill those people have been cured of thier mentil illnesses then its useles to even debate such things as a consumer interface.
######the earth dose not spin in a precise axis!
so eliptical orbital afect alone would create friction force even with non friction parts.
aside from the constant fluctuation of spin and magnetic feilds
NOTHING IS CONSISTANT
consistencey is a concept of perverse control originating from the churchs when they took control of science and science is yet to through off this retarded concept completely.

groove on all :)

peace light truth love
the path to that we hold above

zanket-

Embarrassing truth for physicists everywhere? If you want to change someone's, particularly a scientist's mind, you must use evidence, hypothesis testing... and more importantly common sense.

You have displayed none of these. To think a diagram that lacks an explanation and that has already been ruled out as feasible many years ago is a collaberation of stupidity, ignorance, and, as one other put it, brainwashing.

I award you no points, and may your god have mercy on your soul.

"Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away".



GOD richly bless you dear readers in Jesus Christ.

I can just as easily quote:

"Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will by no means pass away".

and it means just as little.

You think too highly of yourself! I have written not to have discourse with you or any of your sort, but for those few who wander here with ears to hear and eyes to see GOD'S truth. If I valued myself more highly, I certainly would not have come here of my own volition! I can recall that it took an act of the former president of the US., Theodore Roosevelt, to quiet the cackling "physicists" of the Wright Brother's era over the simply "impossible" act of heavier than air flight.......how much more have they fallen these days! I prove nothing as I am nothing. My Master, Jesus Christ, has much to prove to you and it is certainly quite something!



GOD bless you in Christ.

Originally posted by techstuf
You think too highly of yourself!
Not sure how you base this on my previous message, which was only pointing out that you had no point. I realize that I and my methods currently have limitations... you do not realize the same about your methods (religion).

I have written not to have discourse with you or any of your sort, but for those few who wander here with ears to hear and eyes to see GOD'S truth.
All I see is you posting pointless lines from the bible and over-estimation of how much we care about what religion so and so scientist was.

My Master, Jesus Christ, has much to prove to you and it is certainly quite something!
You are correct. Your 'master' and religion have much to prove... and hasn't managed to show any of it in over 2000 years.

Thank you, GOD richly bless you in Christ.

haha, you are a fucking crazy fundy, you know that?

You know, Techstuf, the sciforums DO have a religion board, why don't you head over there? I'm sure your inane rambelings wont seem quite so out of place.

a master of physics and science... ?
the almighty and feared reveared and downtroddin subjegated
oppressed
Albert Einstien
Nikolas Tesla

may thier work live on in the hopes and dreams of free thinking
un biased scientists throughout the knowen world...
regardless of what religion they choose to affiliate with!

there are more i assume
maybe they were soo well before thier time that we may need
another new civilisation to start working with half of what they discovered.

groove on all :)

nik s' black box
al s' unified feild
maybe too much for the most of us???
or more precisely the least of us!!!

big sigh. :(

Ha, I just realized something... this thread about perpetual motion machines was put in the Pseudoscience category of these forums, which, I believe immediately revokes all validity in the claim. Pseudoscience is not science, yet mr. tech purports to make it so with the use of his religion, which is also not science.
Interesting, isn't it?

Ellimist, GOD bless you richly in Christ that you might see more clearly the path you have chosen for yourself.

techstuf

i am a Christian my father on earth was a preacher while he passed through this world. as was my grandfather before him. and his before him. i have read the Koran, torah and as many versions of the bible as possible for me to attain. also many other religious texts in none of these texts dose the exact process nor time specs. for the forming of the dust/clay and breathing the breath of life into the nostrils to create a living soul exist. if you know of a how to manual for this procedure then please post it.
no where in the texts dose GOD or our LORD rule out chemical or biological processes in the creation of man in fact he used them to bring his son into this world.
as too the laws of physics and science in general heaven is also bound to them as are we for these are the rules that GOD created to create the universe with and to study them is to study the mind of GOD. when the finite studies the infinite invariably there will be misinterpretations of the data but then we only rethink when proven false.

HE/SHE said seek and ye shall find, ask and it will be given ,knock and it will open. science its self confirms and proves GOD for nothing as perfectly and divinely ordered as the universe could come from the randomness of chaos.
the only fluke of life was GOD all else was guided by HIS/HER mind/hand.
;)

See them brown circles,thats where the magnets go.

Historical Jesus was real,Biblical Jesus was not.Look at it this way,Who ever did create the earth he would make freedom,but the religous freaks and the government dont look at it that way,They think they can control and destroy the world as they want it.GOLD AND SILVER=DEVESTATION=VIRUS=2060=FAILURE=RESTART=AND TRY AGAIN.

When i was born,i had unexplained small marks on my chest,Directly where my colons are,even on the last fragment of them,Before this happened,i was flying through a endlessly long type of portal and thier were openings,so i went into one of them,i can still remember it today.Now People have told me nobody can remember the time before they were born,i figured they'd say that,but honestly i remember it as a great unforgettable spectacalur event and i dont expect you People to believe but i can honestly say its true.I wont let nobody deny that.Lets get back to this subject,humans always want to jump higher and higher,and say they've done this and they've done that and they know it all,but what they dont realize somethings humans arent allowed to explain or quite litterely cant,And most real phenomena will span out in our created time or maybe not,it really depends on humans at one,fighting and conquering one huge problem.

Do you have above average memory (in general)?

So if thier is a(god) how big of him to make one very good person be the man everyone gets ruled by.god can't be good.

um yeah... less psychosis... more Q&A?

Nobody can decide which is possible and what isn't.If you see it with your own eyes believe it ,and doesn't go through a line and is very changeable dont believ'e it.Dont delve to far into the unexplained,do you think you are the one who can give a answer that has a great amount of proof,i dont think so,people have to have seen something amazing in worldly numbers and that will never happened unless it was announced and you really think they'd announce that,i dont and you probably dont,i mean everything constantly changes and can be changed constanly and so on.Does it give you something back believing in the unexplained.I dont doubt things, but ufo's at this point in time it is very doubtful,but maybe people will believe as time goes on.The 25th century is my prediction if miracles happen that is.Ever Wondered Why Heaven is above and Hell is below.Who Knows.

my memory question isn't going to get answered is it. *sigh* :eek:

People have told me i have a great amount of memory in varied Happenings,like say back in 1982,July 24th My Nephew(age2then) went to A Supermarket with me and My Mother and he opened a carton of strawberries and i can still remember small happenings and big happenings,to this day,i can remember,maybe it comes from my dads side,he was a Genius.I mean i was classed as a Genius as a Child because i was great at 3d Art and i am now in the making of a 3d mathmatical puzzle.My mind was very active at that time and still is at this present time.

ahh much better. Your acknowledgment of past events seems
to support a good memory. Now I am curious about accuracy
of memory. Have people around you ever remembered things
(short/long term) incorrectly and you were able to recognize the
faulty memories and provide correction?

Well to be Accurately honest,Only once ,but that was through false information by the provider,It doesnt really count.

Fair enough :). Could you provide a little more clarity to this
statement:

When i was born,i had unexplained small marks on my chest,Directly where my colons are,even on the last fragment of them,Before this happened,i was flying through a endlessly long type of portal and thier were openings,so i went into one of them,i can still remember it today

Basically I interpreted it as your conciousness flying into one
of your colons through a hole in your chest... could you perhaps
ellaborate on the experience as I'm not sure that I quite
understood it.

Thanks,

-CC

My two reasons why i am truly correct with my memory,The First reason is that i am insecure about failure,The Second reason is that i've always wanted to show perfection in front of the retired scientist who lived very near to my home when i was young and now still does.

I never said I doubted your memory :). I am actually interested
in expanding that birth experience so I can fully understand it.

Well let me put it to you this way,The marks were x-rayed,And the doctor's saw two triangular marks(pointed down),they Can't operate because the bacteria hasn't flushed through the colon.The weird thing about it is that,iv'e had problems for 20 years,but no serious problems because of this.

I started using my emotional lobe alot earlier than a normal person,i started using my frontal lobe(its been in my records) since i was eight, which means i wouldv'e had more understanding about the sorroundings,when i was younger than eight,emotion can't create memory.

I will never deny that didn't happened because i know it happened.

Your thinking what a nut this guy is,right.Well I can say i am not a nut,People around me know im not a nut,but as soon as i brought the time before i was born up,the word comes out.

You might think this is abit coincidential me saying this at this point,but when i come out of my mother's wome,the nurse said i think he's been on this earth before.

Just to put it clear when i edited my post,i only deleted the s off operate(s).

Thanks for sharing the experience. I think I understand it now.
No I don't think you are a nut... well at least not yet :D. Now,
that I have some data I'll await an opportunity to compare it
to something similar. Who knows, maybe I'll find a trend.

BTW, when you were flying through the portal, what did it
look like? What did it sound like? Taste like, smell like? etc.

The portal was multicoloured,It had giant holes on the left that were black and on the right the holes were white.I couldn't smell anything only when i went through the black hole that's when i came to earth.The sound was like my ear in a seashell it was like i could hear something that may have been really far away from me.

i couldn't taste anything at all,but i could talk and i could shut and open my eyes.

Well lets just say the religous ones aren't as thrustworthy as they make out to be.In 1982 The Bible's were changed.It said in one them that the son of john was asked by the name said by jesus,Cephys to join thie'r Kingdom and he said blatently that it is not of this world.I dont expect you to believe this,but you will know this is the truth,pick up old volumes of the Bible and Read every Page,because everything will point in that direction.

Thanks MrMynomics

This is not a question of who was born with what , and what is waht, its the question of how this item, can perform perpetual motion, Which , because of friction, and gravity, it can not, it is also the idea that this person continue to to babble incoherently going on and off of the subject with quotes that make no sense, or connection to his idea that this "perpetual motion device" is a holy device or something to that effect and that it is somehow linked to religion, as i have said before, prove it, someone show me a video of this thing, spinning for over 3 days without a battery or anything, and i will believe them

Yep.

On the other hand sometimes tangents (like the one I indulged
in) can provide some interesting insights into other (admittedly
unrelated) areas.

how much angular momentum dose the earth lose per rev.
and for the record
the moon,solar system,galaxie,universe.
i concure that this device dosn't seam viable.
yet perpetual motion is possible i think.
as to the tangents they aare the most valuable part of this thread. and i would as important as the topic in other posts here.
with respect
grimreaper:cool: