Job law defeat puts French reforms on hold: Analysts (http://www.timesofoman.com/newsdetails.asp?newsid=28314)

PARIS –– Job market reform in France is now probably buried after the debacle over the government's youth job scheme until after next year's presidential election, experts said Tuesday.

Congratulations to the French students on your victory against freemarket capitalist oppression .

In France University education is free and obtainable for every French citizen regardless of the individuals social and economic status within French society . That is why French students carried on to victory against these regressive youth job laws they acted as a people united .

American students because of the fact that education is a very expensive business and has to be paid for . So US students are from the affluent economic classes whose families economic security guaratees their education will be financed .This leads to elitism and explains why there is no mass student uprising against the current illegal US war against Iraq as there was against that war in Vietnam . The fact was that during Vietnam there was a draft and US students protested only in selfish interest to save their own skins . This War on terror is being fought by the under class of America and as the is no draft there will be no student action because they are safe .

American students are indifferent to the need and wants of their fellow American citizens they are elitist . Whereas Fench students are of the people for the people they are the people .

VIVA LA FRANCE

Uhuh - check the unemployment rate in France to the USA freakboy.

Americans dont mind working for what they get. They dont mind working for their education also. Thats why we are the richest--- most powerful nation of the face of this fucking earth.

You have no clue.
Only rich people go to college. :bugeye:
You're a dork.

My poor confused Brian....
Are you under the assumption that Harvard is the only college in America?? Local Junior College charges $18 a unit.....

Brian Foley,

I might somewhat agree with you on the laziness of Americans, but I think what the French students were protesting was stupid. The proposal to allow ease of dismissing one's worker is not a bad thing, this forces people to actually work hard, and not slack off.

So I guess you can say: "Hooray for activism and keeping of the scewing of the job market, employment rate, and economy!"


[Renrue]

Uhuh - check the unemployment rate in France to the USA freakboy.

Americans dont mind working for what they get. They dont mind working for their education also. Thats why we are the richest--- most powerful nation of the face of this fucking earth.

You have no clue.
Only rich people go to college. :bugeye:
You're a dork.

If I bicycle 5 minutes away from this american campus I end up in a 3rd world country.

you may be the richest nation but that also makes you the most inequal.

In France University education is free and obtainable for every French citizen regardless of the individuals social and economic status within French society . That is why French students carried on to victory against these regressive youth job laws they acted as a people united .

The protest was about the job laws, not the bloody educational system. Can you try at least to stay on topic? Do you even know what they were protesting about?

American students are indifferent to the need and wants of their fellow American citizens they are elitist . Whereas Fench students are of the people for the people they are the people .

Well, it's not as though you've never made broad sweepingly ridiculous statements before. I give this one a 6 of 10.

VIVA LA FRANCE

That's VIVE la France. Good god.

Geoff

VIVA LA FRANCE
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That's VIVE la France. Good god.

See? Mexicans have even infiltrated Australia!

:p

- N

The protest was about the job laws, not the bloody educational system.
Christ does this idiot have drink problem or is he really this fucking stupid ?Read again real slow snapperhead .
That is why French students carried on to victory against these regressive youth job laws they acted as a people united .
Well, it's not as though you've never made broad sweepingly ridiculous statements before. I give this one a 6 of 10.



That's VIVE la France. Good god.

Geoff
Shut up you idiot .

I guess Brian Foley has never heard of Federal Aid? You don't have to be rich to attend college in the U.S., I'm proof of that.

As for protests. Perhaps you weren't paying attention, but when the Iraq War was first launched, guess who the majority of protestors were? That's right, college students.

Brian: Ever hear of a community college? And there are an assload of scholarships floating around for people of every walk of life.
If you want one, you can probably get one if you look hard enough.

I paid my own way through college with a little scholarship help, thank you very much. With the wages of a factory laborer.

I paid my own way through college with a little scholarship help, thank you very much. With the wages of a factory laborer.
Ditto. My father worked in a steel mill. I worked my way through college by working at 7-11, Jewel, a factory, even as an enviromental scientist. Often I had more than one job as I was also supporting my wife and child.

It's called paying your dues. Anyone can go to college in America.

The fact was that during Vietnam there was a draft and US students protested only in selfish interest to save their own skins.

Unlike the noble French students, who protested to save... their job contracts? The real victim of the protests is not "capitalist oppression," but rather the poor, unassimilated suburbanites whose previous unrest led to the proposed reforms in the first place. If the student protesters ARE the French people, that implies that the immigrants in the suburbs either are not French or are not people. And that seems to be exactly the attitude that got France into this mess in the first place.

Moreover, it would behoove your argument to consider more recent examples of activism in the USA. Maybe something like, say, the nationwide demonstrations that were held yesterday, which were attended by hundreds of thousands of people, including tens of thousands of students who walked out of school:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/10/us/10cnd-rallies.html?ex=1144900800&en=645fa8c804d57872&ei=5087

Congratulations to the French students on your victory against free market capitalist oppression .

In France University education is free and obtainable for every French citizen regardless of the individuals social and economic status within French society . This is totally wrong
1) The French are capitalists
2) School is "free and obtainable for every French citizen ...." it is obtainable for those that are able to score well on the French standardized tests. Not just anyone can go to University. It is mostly middle and upper middle class with some very clever lower class.

I have a friend whose uncle was the French ambassador to Australia.

Gee Lucky him … he now has a plumb job in Geneva.

Anyway anyone with the grades can go to Uni in the USA. The Government will either pay outright or lend the money at low interest. My lone is 2.5% locked.

I’m not saying that French workers shouldn’t have some rights but I certainly know a lot of fat lazy crap workers in Australia that probably exist in France as well. The problem is, most people don’t like to work hard. Asia will eclipse the Europeans soon.

Christ does this idiot have drink problem or is he really this fucking stupid ?Read again real slow snapperhead .

Not know if have "drink problem" - not understand your English! Maybe you write again...reeeeal slow.

And, again, show me how I'm wrong there.

Shut up you idiot .

Awww...don't cry! And don't let the fact that I speak two more languages than you do get you down either. And I'm learning Spanish!

Geoff

I guess Brian Foley has never heard of Federal Aid? You don't have to be rich to attend college in the U.S., I'm proof of that.
I said middle class , and did you pay back that Federal Aid ? And can poor blacks and Hispanics get a free education , seeing they live in urban destitution ?
As for protests. Perhaps you weren't paying attention, but when the Iraq War was first launched, guess who the majority of protestors were? That's right, college students.
They must of been very small protests , I mean were they of the size and scale of those in France ?
Brian: Ever hear of a community college? And there are an assload of scholarships floating around for people of every walk of life.
If you want one, you can probably get one if you look hard enough.
If you look hard enough ! doesnt sound very definite more like a lucky dip barrell .
I paid my own way through college with a little scholarship help, thank you very much. With the wages of a factory laborer.
So you still paid for it , could you paid for it if you were unemployed ?
Anyone can go to college in America.
Obviously not if you atre poor and unemployed .
Unlike the noble French students, who protested to save... their job contracts? The real victim of the protests is not "capitalist oppression," but rather the poor, unassimilated suburbanites whose previous unrest led to the proposed reforms in the first place. If the student protesters ARE the French people, that implies that the immigrants in the suburbs either are not French or are not people. And that seems to be exactly the attitude that got France into this mess in the first place.
Im sorry you are losing me here you turning this into a racist argument , the fact is the chirac goverment wants to bring in Labour reform similar to America , and thank God it got knocked down in the first round .
This is totally wrong
2) School is "free and obtainable for every French citizen ...." it is obtainable for those that are able to score well on the French standardized tests. Not just anyone can go to University. It is mostly middle and upper middle class with some very clever lower class
Precisely the French system is based on merit not money , in order for you to stay learning you must pass exams if you dont you lose out . And thats fair enough because everyone is in an equal boat .

Precisely the French system is based on merit not money , in order for you to stay learning you must pass exams if you dont you lose out . And thats fair enough because everyone is in an equal boat .

Fair? The French system??

Have you even been to a French university? Half of the places are a bloody mess; the students are starkers with bloody uncertainty. Equal boat? Equal bloody career slaughterhouse, more like. If you want to adopt the French model, try reading the links on this webblog first:

http://www.pavefrance.com/blog/

I don't think France should be bloody paved (gits), mais...calisse.

Geoff

I said middle class , and did you pay back that Federal Aid ? And can poor blacks and Hispanics get a free education , seeing they live in urban destitution ?

Let's just say if I'm considered middle class, then 95% of the U.S. population would be considered rich. Federal Aid, scholarships and grants will pay for the vast majority of higher education costs. With Federal Aid you eventually have to pay it back, but only after you have obtained your degree.

They must of been very small protests , I mean were they of the size and scale of those in France ?

A CNN article from January 19, 2003 before the launch of the Iraq War: http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/18/sproject.irq.us.protests/ At least tens of thousands of people rallied on the Mall in Washington, and a similar-size group crowded downtown San Francisco...

...The rally is one of dozens organized in 25 countries by the group Act Now to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER). The group said it had organized transportation from more than 200 cities in 45 states for the rallies in Washington and San Francisco. Organizers estimated the crowd at about 200,000. Washington park police would not offer an estimate.

Unlike the noble French students, who protested to save... their job contracts?
:D

The thing is, Brian is in love with "fighting the power". Anyone who goes "against the system" are automatically in the right, merely by doing so, because the system/power/gov't/military-industrial complexxx0rz is always wrong.

Of course, the fact that France will continue to have high youth unemployment isn't as important as the fact that "the people stood up!"

Viva la revolucion! - eh, Brian?

Yeah I think his veneer slipped a bit on that one.

Geoff

what veneer? he made this topic to piss americans off.
didnt work, did it?

try again, klanman.

The thing is, Brian is in love with "fighting the power". Anyone who goes "against the system" are automatically in the right, merely by doing so, because the system/power/gov't/military-industrial complexxx0rz is always wrong.

That much I knew, but the comparison to the protest movements in 1960s America was just too much. I suppose it would be too much to expect him to go more than a sentence or two without a ham-fisted diabtribe against America...


Of course, the fact that France will continue to have high youth unemployment isn't as important as the fact that "the people stood up!"


Forget youth unemployment: their *total* unemployment hasn't cracked the single digits in a decade. And they don't even get low inflation out of the deal. No wonder they want to reform the labor system...

This is totally wrong
1) The French are capitalists.

We may have to forgive Brian for not knowing this, since many of the French themselves don't seem to realize it...

what veneer? he made this topic to piss americans off.
didnt work, did it?


Well I have to pretend he has some kind of veneer - benefit of the doubt, all that.

Geoff

Precisely the French system is based on merit not money , in order for you to stay learning you must pass exams if you dont you lose out . And thats fair enough because everyone is in an equal boat .No no no,
1) its actually harder to get into a French University than to get into an American University.
2) If it were fair then the number of poor French students (speaking of poor, in france there are a lot of - have you seen the HUGE MEGA slums that ring Paris like a prison?) would equal the middle class students. It does not. There are far less poor french in uni compared with middle class french.
3) All Universities in the world are based on merit, the French are not special in anyway. However the more the State pays the less of a chance you have to have a say in the matter. And anyway, merit is not nessesary sometimes being a little less apt makes for a better (more motivated) student.
4) Again, I know a lot of French that live in Australia. Many have used their family connections (ex: the French Ambassador) to get where they are. It’s just another way around the system - they return to a plumb life long highly paid French public service job. Its just like the problems associated with communism. Most of the Americans I know are there through a University exchange program and have no such connections (although many do have wealthy patents and as such they got into a good university that has such connections – in all societies members try to protect the tribe!).

lastly, what kind of cry baby culture has the French become? Are they so pitiful that they can not stand on their own two feet for a whole of 2 f*cking years during the prime of their life? What? They need their arse wiped as well? Believe me; necessity truly is the mother of invention and the French and killing what should be a great and productive culture and replacing it with this insane baby sitting culture.

What happened to the French? They used to be daring and courageous? Now they seem pathetic.

As an analogy I’d say the French have become like an 80 years old grandma, instead of a young 22 year old prize fighter - like China and India.

If the Europeans are so pathetic that they can not live life with some small risk for a couple pathetic years at what should be the height of their life, well then Europe is really screwed. Next they'll they'll want a dear leader to take away any choice at all so they can just suck at the teet and be done with it!

If the Europeans are so pathetic that they can not live life with some small risk for a couple pathetic years at what should be the height of their life, well then Europe is really screwed.

Typical american. They want to throw away social protection for a few bucks.

Typical american. They want to throw away social protection for a few bucks.

LOL Social protection.

Dont eva let anyone tell you they betta then you awe Forrest , you hear me.. your know different then anyone else.

Your boys different Ms.Gump. He got an IQ like monkeyboy... round 80.. hes gonna need a special school.....

Typical american. They want to throw away social protection for a few bucks.That’s unfair, I'm not suggesting tossing 80 years old out on the street.

We're talking about 2 years during their early to mid 20s. How much mollycoddling does a 25 year old Frenchman need?!?!?

Also we’re not talking about a couple of bucks. The French have not created a new major industry or company in something like 3 or 4 decades (something I read in the economist I think).

Did you see what happened to the Chinese when they choose coddling over chance? The Chinese surely are not stupid but their society stagnated and collapsed. The French are by definition in stagnation.

Necessity if the mother of all inventions.

Michael

Typical american. They want to throw away social protection for a few bucks.


Too much social babysitting can lead to an unmotivated society.

This is a decent article:
The New Land of Opportunity (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1181588,00.html)
In today's Russia, nothing is easy but everything is possible; in France, by contrast, everything is easy but nothing is possible.

Youth unemployment is about 23% in France, and almost 1 in 10 school leavers does not have a permanent job five years after taking the baccalaureate. In Yekaterinburg, being out of work is a luxury few can afford. The demand for energetic young people is so high that ads for the best jobs scroll along the bottom of prime-time programs on local TV.

Brian Foley, in America the Goverment and University's created special programs that give the poor minority blacks, with low academic achievement, and no money preference over high academic achieving students with money no matter what their race, its called the racial quota, system, but even then you will still not have any problem finding a university to attend and recieve total grants to pay your tuition, with very little effort, even you would be able to figure it out.