England is a cool place, no guns (or very few illegal ones), even though we dont have guns, we still had a gun amnesty a few months ago, not to get guns from villians, but to collect any spare ones that normal people had lying around. It was quite successful, old ww1 and ww2 stuff, farmers shotguns and the like. The villians will always have some but, we dont have a gun problem.

Which is all very handy when, in the next 8 years when people begin loosing faith in technology and governments, and maybe even technology begins to collapse (it would if we get hit by a big solar storm) and civil war breaks out in country after country. America is on the cards SOON. England already have an agreement with heads of government around the world. They will come here and the military will protect this small, easily defended island, with no weapons in the hands of civilians to cause much bother here.

OK, the above is a guess, but, if you are british, it's maybe not a bad idea to remember that, if the world goes tits up and civilians take up arms, the UK will be the safest and most easily defendable, realistic proposal as a kind of HQ or safe haven.

I wonder if the british government and royal family are aware of this and if so for how long. Ive been wanting to get out of the UK for a while, move to some out of the way country and live the good life. Now i'm staying because i believe that something is afoot and the UK is the safest place to be in the event that CIVILIANS decide to take up arms against governments and each other.

kula

Why bother with England? It has no natural resources, past a few megatonnes of stone. Its an international financial centre, but that can be moved offshore, to places like Jersey. The Uk wont be the most easily defendable, I vote for Switzerland, or Iceland, or various bits of Asia that are inaccessible.
Besides, even if they do come here to use us as a base, we'll kick them out again.
Lets face it, civilian weaponry is fuck all use against an army, one willing to use overwhelming force and brutality to make its point. So us not having many firearms really doesnt matter.

Actually Great Britain has some of the largest proven oil reserves.

Pangloss let's not go too far, it has oil reserves and they shrinking...

Yah, probly right. I'd have to look it up but they've been overproducing the hell out of the North Sea in recent years, or so the story goes.

The UK wouldnt need the resources, the rest of the world could be controlled from there. Continental countries are borded so would be accesible to small arms. Obviously the world police and troops would also be controlled from the defended country.

There must be speculative plans in case of civilian uprisings, right up to having to evacuate the leaders to another country.

kula

Last I knew the North sea produciton peaked maybe 1996? I forget exactly. And the reserves out in the Atlantic will be expensive to drill, furthermore we're scheduled to become a net oil importer anytime now. So, add to that that the natural gas is running out (we're involved in that thousands miles long pipeline from the the "stable" regions of central Asia) the UK will be buggered as regards balance of payments in a few years. Alright, call me pessimistic, go on, I dare ya.

The rest of the world can be controlled from anywhere with a few airstrips and some oil. Bhutan? Australia? (sorry, that should be called "murdochland")

Lack of guns does not equate with safety. You can still riot, loot, and burn stuff without guns, and molotov cocktails are easy to make.

Besides, even if they do come here to use us as a base, we'll kick them out again.
Lets face it, civilian weaponry is fuck all use against an army, one willing to use overwhelming force and brutality to make its point. So us not having many firearms really doesnt matter.


there's a reason to why no one has attempted to invade the US

Global civil war? why? there is no global enemy that I know of that would cause people in almost every country to rebel.

btw- if shit happens, you can come to Latvia. Latvians are very individualistic , easy going, apathetic and lazy and particulary when shit happens just say "leave me alone" and lock themselves in
it would take a lot to move them in any agressive action/
WW3 maybe

Japan.

I would say that Greenland is very defensive, and no one wants to invade it anyway, as it has a not very welcoming climate.

But why should there be a civil war?
But if there is, you better start searching for me in some very desolate and empty countryside, like Siberia or Mongolia. I bet no one will care and look for me. :D

so.. let's turn it around -> which would be the unsafest places in the case of global civil unrest?

That's easy to answer...Latvia, duh!

why?! :confused:

Because everyone wants it...;)

not really. I should know

I know Avatar I was being sarcastic!

I vote for africa, latin america and the usa!

Latvia will be eaten up by Russia as soon as hell breaks loose. It will be the first thing that happens in the world nightmare, if such a thing will ever take place. And then....
You know, I've heard Russia is as corrupt as ever, with Putin as the head of the mafia.

in global uprising I plan to go to new zealand

I think the safest place to be would be in Nunavut or Antarctica.

Greenland sounded good, but i cant see the queen going there.

I think i'd be most nervous in the USA, too many weapons and no recent history of national unrest. Developed countries would be hit worse if say a solar storm wiped out the electronics, under developed countries are already used to being under developed.

Any rioting poulation in places like the UK could be easily controlled, or at least made as ineffective as needs be.

kula

How about those lonely Pacific Islands?

Run. Hide.

Great philosophy.

Fear is the mind-killer.

RIP

Taking philosophy seriously can be the mind killer, philosophising expresses its aliveness ! Train your mind to not fear concepts !

IF the governments have any plans for us, awareness of the possibilities could give us a little more say in things, or better still, we can take things in our own direction.

Better even still, dont fear thought, celebrate imagination !

kula

How about those lonely Pacific Islands?


Yeah, nothing better than to weather a global crisis on an island, lying at the beach in the sun and sipping drinks from coconuts. :cool:

http://www.epa.gov/region9/images/ph_pico1.jpg

I couldn't agree more...

They're too hot for my northen skin.

Well...there's one more bed available. I am sure you would like this locale:

http://images.google.ca/images?q=tbn:izUjGFRJwo0J:www.canadianculture.com/canphotos/images/nunavut/igarjuag01.jpg

Look at that beach...

there's a reason to why no one has attempted to invade the US
I can think of at least 3. The PAcific, the Atlantic, and the sheer economics involved in invading a continent across a 3,000 miles supply line. I doubt the USA could have invaded Europe without the UK.
If a town resists, just drop a fuel air bomb on it. If a house, ram it with a tank, or fire a few shells through till the top drops on its occupants. Even millions of civilians armed with small arms wouldnt be much match for a properly equipped professional army, especially if the geneva convention etc had been discarded.

As for fear is the mind killer, sure, it helps you stop thinking what you need to do to survive, whether that be run away and hide, or fight back. Are you not motivated by survival, Mr G? Or do you serve some higher power?
(perhaps you could start a thread on self defense or suchlike.)