Have you ever wondered why the Bible insist so much about Love?

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2 John 1:5

"5 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. "


1 John 4:12

"12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. "


1 John 4:7

"7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. "


1 John 3:11

"11 his is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another."


1 Peter 3:8

"8 Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble."


Peter 1:22

"22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart.[ 1:22 Some early manuscripts from a pure heart] "


Ephesians 4:2

"2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. "


Galatians 5:13

"13 You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the sinful nature[ 5:13 Or the flesh; also in verses 16, 17, 19 and 24] ; rather, serve one another in love. "


Romans 12:10

"10 Be devoted to one another in brotherly love. Honor one another above yourselves. "


"Joy is the fruit of Love."
- God

If you would choose between Love and hate, or Love and fear, what would you choose? Is it hard to Love other people? Do you want to hate those who hate? If so, WHY? What is the joy in hating? What is the joy in indifference? What is the joy in fear? And violence? And confusion? Do you want to be Loved or hated? What do you prefer? For you Love Love and joy and hate hate and violence. For the same reason do not hate others. Do not be violent with others. Have no preconceit to others. For in the same way you treat others, the others will treat you. It's written:

Matthew 7:1-2

"1 Do not judge so that you will not be judged.
2 For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. "

For this reason, all universal law is made true in one statement:

"Love one another"

Love attracts Love and Joy, and casts out fear.

Love is God's wisdom while judgment is the wisdom of the world.
With Love, joy comes, but with judgement, peace do not endure. For all things that are judged by one, will be judged differently by other's eyes. That's why God's wisdom is Love, for Love do not judge, but accept what it is from light, and dissipates what it is from darkness.

Love is the light of the world.


To Christians:

John 13:35
"35 By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."

Do not judge people or desperatly try to prove your point. Instead, Love them, and shall your Love be an evidence of God's Love, of God's wisdom.

to keep the masses docile and malleable?

Truthseeker

If you would choose between Love and hate, or Love and fear, what would you choose?

Does one actually choose to love another ?

For this reason, all universal law is made true in one statement:

"Love one another"

How is this a choice ?

1) I would choose fear. I love fear. It's damn exciting.

2) If someone presented me with the option of never loving again or never playing hockey agian, I would choose never loving again. I would rather give up having connections with other humans than hockey.

3) Nelson, what the fuck are you doing back?

Tyler

I would rather give up having connections with other humans than hockey.

Aren't they one in the same ? :D

Nelson, what the fuck are you doing back?

I for one am enjoying the 'new and improved' Truthseeker. Many of his beliefs have remained intact, however his responses appear more mature and well considered. Compared to before, he now responds to questions directly, develops better arguments and has shown a willingness for dialogue.

I say, give him another try.

The philosophical treatment of love transcends a variety of sub-
disciplines including epistemology, metaphysics, religion, human
nature, politics and ethics. Often statements or arguments
concerning love, its nature and role in human life for example,
connect to one or all the central theories of philosophy, and is
often compared with, or examined in the context of, the
philosophies of sex and gender. The task of a philosophy of love
is to present the appropriate issues in a cogent manner, drawing
on relevant theories of human nature, desire, ethics, and so on.
This brief introduction examines the nature of love and some of
the ethical and political ramifications.

[To read more click here] (http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/l/love.htm)

Tyler,

1) I would choose fear. I love fear. It's damn exciting.
Have you ever really experienced fear?

2) If someone presented me with the option of never loving again or never playing hockey agian, I would choose never loving again. I would rather give up having connections with other humans than hockey.
Do you love your mom? Or do you love hockey better?

3) Nelson, what the fuck are you doing back?
Finishing what I've begun... hoping to see all of you well...


(Q) and EvilPoet,

Does one actually choose to love another ?
How is this a choice ?

Often statements or arguments concerning love, its nature and role in human life for example, connect to one or all the central theories of philosophy, and is often compared with, or examined in the context of, the philosophies of sex and gender.

I'm talking about Love Agape here... Altruism, compassion, humanity... I'm not talking about sex, or any kind of romantic human love.

TruthSeeker: I think you missed my point. You are mainly taking
about god's love (at least that is the way your post seems) and
that, in my opinion, goes in the religion section of philosophy not
the general section.

I am wondering - what other areas of philosophy interest you?

I think it's good to have Truthseeker back. Welcome back Nelson. :D

EvilPoet,

TruthSeeker: I think you missed my point. You are mainly taking about god's love (at least that is the way your post seems) and that, in my opinion, goes in the religion section of philosophy not the general section.

I've put in the general section because that's my own philosophy too.

I am wondering - what other areas of philosophy interest you?

I'm more interested in God and the Bible, but I'm also curious about Plato and Aristotle. I would like to read books like Plato's "The Banquet" and Aristotle's "Ethics". Do you know if I can find an on-line version of those?


I think it's good to have Truthseeker back. Welcome back Nelson.

Thanks Adam :)

TruthSeeker,

I would like to read books like Plato's "The Banquet" and
Aristotle's "Ethics". Do you know if I can find an on-line
version of those?
Which "Ethics" are you refering to? Nicomachean
or Eudemian Ethics? Here is Nicomachean Ethics (http://graduate.gradsch.uga.edu/archive/Aristotle/nicethic.txt.TXT)

Symposium By Plato (http://graduate.gradsch.uga.edu/archive/Plato/Symposium.txt)

And you can also look here:

Greek Philosophy Archive (http://graduate.gradsch.uga.edu/archive/Greek.html)

"Have you ever really experienced fear?"

Yes. Being cornered by large men with heavy weapons at 11:30 at night who are demanding to know if I'm jewish and pointing said weapons in my face. That was frightening.


"Do you love your mom? Or do you love hockey better?"

My mom. In order of love, though, hockey is a close second.

Tyler:

But love involves a lot of fear, doesn't it? So there's really not a dichotomy between the two.

I think it's impossible to love someone, to truely love them, and not fear them at least a little. Just like in sex, fear makes love that much more piquent.

What would my love be if I did not respect and honor the one I loved enough to fear him? How close would he be if he was not in a postion to make himself feared?

Not very.

My mom. In order of love, though, hockey is a close second.

Spoken like a true Canuck. :)

Nelson:
If you would choose between Love and hate, or Love and fear, what would you choose? Is it hard to Love other people? Do you want to hate those who hate? If so, WHY?

Hating someone because they hate is irrational. Hating someone because they are hate-worthy is not.

That said, I don't think I've truely felt hate in a long time.

Luckily, I don't have to choose between love and hate.

*EDIT*

And yes, Nelson, I do know what fear is.
Welcome back.

But love involves a lot of fear, doesn't it? So there's really not a dichotomy between the two.


Wanting certainly involves alot of fear, fear that you might not get whatever it is.
I thought love was supposed to be about acceptance.
Or is that what you were talking about?

I thought love was supposed to be about acceptance.
Or is that what you were talking about?

No. Love involves a great deal of fear. That's what I was talking about.

You could make an artificial distinction between love and wanting, but my contention would still stand. Even if you seperate wanting from love, love itself still involves fear.

Xev,

Hating someone because they hate is irrational. Hating someone because they are hate-worthy is not.

What do you win by hating?

Nelson:

Determination, "courage never to submit or yeild", passion.

What do you win by loving?

Love involves a great deal of fear. That's what I was talking about.

For goodness sake, get real! Perhaps this is so - in your personal experience/opinion. Beyond that, you're hazarding a guess and essentially, as a blanket statement, it's a load of rubbish.

Snow is cold.

Fish are slippery.

Bloody is sticky and smells like iron.

Bill Gates sucks donkey - alright.


All observations based on personal experience/opinion. Take issue with them?

Now, if you wish to act like an adult, I'll explain exactly why this personal experience/opinion has more objective support (i.e the neurochemicals involved in love and those involved in fear).

Otherwise, I'll go back to my solitaire game and let you get back to having sex with your first cousins. :)

Otherwise, I'll go back to my solitaire game and let you get back to having sex with your first cousins.


Given what you expressed abou love and fear Im not surprised that your playing solitare :)

And mulling on my relationship with the man I love. :p

*Grins*

I love humiliating your sort.

So do you love him, does he REALLY LOVE YOU?

Or do you just feel more secure by his side? Does his pseudo strength seem to alliviate your fear?

You 'love' humiliating our sort?

Sounds like you LOVE to HATE

You say hating something that is worthy of hate, is okay.

So tell me, are there any humans who do not deserve love? People deserve hate? Nobody does, yourself included.

Maybe you're carrying around a lot of burden and anger, a lot of pain. You seem to be seething hate and anger from between your teeth. I read it between every line your write. Perhaps this MAN of yours is just a boy and hurts you more. Why would you have fear for him? That seems awfully ridiculous in my opinion.

So, if love is just a neurochemical, explain, why does it HURT you if this MAN of yours just....walked right out of your life tonight?
just chemicals? feels more real than that... I know I won't forget it any time soon...

True love has no fear--only lies and falsehoods are filled with fallicy, insecurity and utter fear of collapse and death.

before you tell others to act like an adult, why won't you act like one yourself, instead of trying to snobishly rub it in others face like a little girl that you have a 'man'...as if that gives us any reason to give you respect. I think you deserve it without.

and I realize i'm quite guilty also of, seething pain and anger.

read it between my lines.

But I won't deny I'm also guilty of unabashed altruistic love for myself, and for others, and for the will to change.

Everything is impermanent, joy and happiness, pain and suffering.

The days of my anger are dwindling steadily, however my pain will always be remembered. And much pain will be felt throughout my life, helping heal those who suffer. But in helping heal I do find joy.

Glacial:
You 'love' humiliating our sort?

Definitely. Intellectual sadism FUCKING RULES!

Like look at m0rlock. He hasn't posted since I pointed out that he was wrong. It doesn't even matter if I'm lying or not....he'll never know, and I'll be sitting here with a smug grin on may face thinking "oh shit, I'm going to be late for work"

you avoid all my points.

So it makes you happy to be right, and see that others are 'wrong'

perhaps you should turn the tables, step outside your shallow self for just perhaps
one second and put yourself in their shoes.

Then maybe it makes you unhappy to be wrong, when you see that others are right.


Anyways, looking at life in terms of right and wrong, how short-sighted are you anyways? You think its split duality never to be resolved? Good and Evil, and the two are not whole within a greater essence?

Wake up and smell your dormant brain..... anyone who looks at life in terms of right and wrong, we'll, they're the ones losing out. Life is a blessing, the positives AND THE NEGATIVES.

Glacial:

I didn't miss any of your points. I ignored your tripe. There is a difference.

Even if there was anything but tripe in there, why on earth would I talk about my relationship on a fucking message board?

Anyways, looking at life in terms of right and wrong, how short-sighted are you anyways? You think its split duality never to be resolved? Good and Evil, and the two are not whole within a greater essence?

I'm a Nietzschean. I believe in transcendence of good and evil.

Thus your criticism is sillly at best.

So, if love is just a neurochemical, explain, why does it HURT you if this MAN of yours just....walked right out of your life tonight?

Pain is a neurochemical too, else why would Vicodin work?

Why would you have fear for him? That seems awfully ridiculous in my opinion.

Respect, darlin'. To tell the truth, I fear myself more than anything else.

And, as I noted, there is a well documented connexion between ecstacy and fear. Since, however, you prefer the platitudes of new-age gibberish to real science, I won't deign to explain.

You seemed quite adamant about boasting '...relationship with the man I love'.. as if anyone here gave two shits about 'the man you love'.

Transcendence of good and evil? Haha, have you fully explored the evil within yourself? How could you transcend good and evil if you do not fully understand both?

Obviously if all 'feeling' to you is simply chemicals, perhaps all your perception of reality is simply chemicals, and there is no such thing as reality, just your chemicals telling you this is so, that is so. As for drugs, they are ALL EMPTY. They simply remove blocks within the mind. The mind is what reacts around them, not the 'drugs' reacting within the mind.

"new age"... hmm

"dark age".. hmm

hmmmmmmmmmmm

You're one unhappy girl. You need LOVE. :)
Where is everyone else on this thread?

Glacial:

You seemed quite adamant about boasting '...relationship with the man I love'.. as if anyone here gave two shits about 'the man you love'.

Actually, I mentioned it once. I really don't like talking about personal matters.

Hmm, you must be very lonely if you find one oblique reference to be "adamant boasting". I'd suggest a personals ad?

"Single twit seeks same for fun times, possible relationship. I am a boring, pathetic loser with the personality of a wet dishrag, and enjoy making a fool of myself online, as well as masturbating to the pictures in the Sears cataloge. Having less intelligence than a retarded jellyfish a plus."

Transcendence of good and evil? Haha, have you fully explored the evil within yourself?

A fair amount of it. I'd never know my good if I didn't know my evil.

How could you transcend good and evil if you do not fully understand both?

Wow. If you can make a valid point, maybe there's hope for Bush!

Obviously if all 'feeling' to you is simply chemicals, perhaps all your perception of reality is simply chemicals, and there is no such thing as reality, just your chemicals telling you this is so, that is so.

I'm not sure to what extent I believe in "reality". I rather agree with H.P Lovecraft:

"Wonder had gone away, and he had forgotten that all life is only a set of pictures in the brain, among which there is no difference betwixt those born of real things and those born of inward dreamings, and no cause to value one over the other"
--The Silver Key

You're one unhappy girl. You need LOVE.
Where is everyone else on this thread?

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not merely happy, I am swimming in a fog of joy. I've gleaned pleasure from the texture of the stucco on my walls and the strange cadence of the cars on the highway outside. I've fathomed depths that most do not even dream of, and I know I haven't even gone as deep as I could. I don't even know what heights are possible....

If I believed in God, I'd thank Him every second for my life as it has been, and hope most earnestly that I get more.
As an athiest, I'm content to dance in the snow and exalt my Will to the stars.

Glacial:
Why would you have fear for him?

Xev:
Respect, darlin'.

What have fear and respect got to do with each other?

(oh, and by the way, sometimes people don't post responses because they too have something else to do at the time, that's all. No need to flatter yourself on having made an unassailable assertion.)

Mac:

What have fear and respect got to do with each other?

Because very few people are worth my respect if they don't inspire some fear.

To be capable of great good, one must be capable of great evil.

Can we stay on topic, please...?

Nelson:

No. :p

Xev:

Yes...

Truthseeker - Xev

OK you two, get a room. :D

Nelson:

No.

YYYEEAaaaahhh... :mad:

"Have you ever wondered why the Bible insist so much about Live?"

Yes.