The Wiccan Rede
Bide within the Law you must, in perfect Love and perfect Trust. Live you must and let to live, fairly take and fairly give. For tread the Circle thrice about to keep unwelcome spirits out. To bind the spell well every time, let the spell be said in rhyme. Light of eye and soft of touch, speak you little, listen much. Deosil go by the waxing moon, chanting out the joyful tune. Widdershins go when the moon doth wane, and the werewolf howls by the dread wolfsbane.

When the Lady's moon is new, kiss the hand to Her times two. When the moon rides at Her peak then your heart's desire seek. Heed the North winds mighty gale, lock the door and trim the sail. When the Wind blows from the East, expect the new and set the feast. When the wind comes from the South, love will kiss you on the mouth. When the wind whispers from the West, all hearts will find peace and rest.

Nine woods in the Cauldron go, burn them fast and burn them slow. Birch in the fire goes to represent what the Lady knows. Oak in the forest towers with might in the fire it brings the God's insight. Rowan is a tree of power causing life and magick to flower. Willows at the waterside stand ready to help us to the Summerland. Hawthorn is burned to purify and to draw faerie to your eye. Hazel-the tree of wisdom and learning- adds its strength to the bright fire burning.

White are the flowers of Apple tree that brings us fruits of fertility. Grapes grow upon the vine giving us both joy and wine. Fir does mark the evergreen to represent immortality seen. Elder is the Lady's tree burn it not or cursed you'll be. Four times the Major Sabbats mark in the light and in the dark.

As the old year starts to wane the new begins, it's now Samhain. When the time for Imbolg shows watch for flowers through the snows. When the wheel begins to turn soon the Beltaine fires will burn As the wheel turns to Lammas night power is brought to magick rite.

Four times the Minor Sabbats fall use the Sun to mark them all. When the wheel has turned to Yule light the log the Horned One rules. In the spring, when night equals day time for Ostara to come our way. When the Sun has reached it's height time for Oak and Holly to fight. Harvesting comes to one and all when the Autumn Equinox does fall. Heed the flower, bush, and tree By the Lady blessed you'll be.

Where the rippling waters go cast a stone, the truth you'll know. When you have and hold a need, harken not to others greed. With a fool no season spend or be counted as his friend. Merry Meet and Merry Part bright the cheeks and warm the heart. Mind the Three-fold Laws you should three times bad and three times good. When misfortune is enow wear the star upon your brow. Be true in love this you must do unless your love is false to you. Eight words the Rede fulfill And ye harm none, do what ye will.

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"Be the change you want to see in the world"
M.K. Ghandi

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Whatever joy there is in this world,
All comes from desiring others to be happy,
and whatever suffering there is in this world
All comes from desiring myself to be happy.

(from "The Tibetan Book Of Living and Dying" by Sogyal Rinpoche

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Love that! :)

Are you a whitch...?

Love,
Nelson

why do everyone think tht all pagans are wiches. it's the same as saying tht all christians are priests

Just a way of speaking, Avatar...

Not a witch, a Banshee, that calls out of the storm to guide us to our doom.

Not really but ya know:D

wiccem is such a peacful religon.

You practice Wicca? Ive always thought that to be the most interesting religion. Ive tried to start a discussion with my husband (who is a strict southern baptiste) but he just wont hear anything on the subject. Its a shame what christianity did to the wiccan religion...


Groove on

most wicans do not considerate their beliefs as a religion. They simply live wicca not believe in it.
[for the record: I'm not a wiccan, but I live my beliefs also]

wicca is one of the many forms of paganism

Yep! :) It's a way of living, not a religion...:)

It's a way of living, not a religion...

Oh, Im sorry, I didnt know:)

we had a witch come to a scout thing once and i found that alot of her belifs fit closly with mine but i have never had a chance to check it out more fully

You know, from what I know of wiccan, I agree with most of it but I too, have never looked into it further.

From what I heard (I could be wrong) they dont consider themselves witches because a true wiccan does not do spells. Good or bad spells. They say everything you put out comes back X 3. Am I right about that???

The they could do good spells cause the cosiquences would be good but i may be wrong (thats what she told me anyway)

Banshee,

Do you know the relationship between the elements and the spells...? :)

Love,
Nelson

Originally posted by *stRgrL*
*They say everything you put out comes back X 3. Am I right about that???*

Yes, you are very right about that. :) Wiccans were known in some earlier time as 'White Magicians'. Wiccans are healers. They do good to others and be ware of the 'evil' they can do to others. It is not an option for real Wiccans.

Everything you do in life has its back fire on your life. Doing bad, spells or not, back fires much more and much harder. That's very true...!

Yes, TruthSeeker, I do know about the connection between the elements and the so called spells. Don't go into spells from Wiccans here, in the thread. It is not allowed to write them down in the open so people can try them out, without the right knowledge on how to use the spells, and use them for their own intentions, good or bad. My apolgies...:)

Banshee,

Don't forget, there are literally hundreds if not thousands of variations of Wicca ("Trads"), and likely several thousand "solitary" Wiccans out in the world as well. Not all are under oaths of secrecy about their spells at all, and even those under some sort of oath can usually speak *of* spells and how they work, they'll just shy away from posting a spell's complete "recipe" due to the responsibility.

Also, Wicca is just one variation of Pagan Witchcraft. Wicca was assembled in the 50's by Gerald Gardner, supposedly out of older rites and rituals taught to him - it is certainally not the only "legitimate" way of practicing Pagan Witchcraft. (I say "supposedly" because the proof for this has never been provided, though really it's irrelevant to me, I consider Wicca to be quite legit.)

Myself, I'm a non-Wiccan Pagan Witch. I did spend a year-and-a-day as an initiate in an established Wiccan coven, however, so I guess that's what makes me think I have the right to talk about Wicca. :) I have since parted company with that group, though I still count them as valued friends and will occasionally dance a fire with them.

Wicca and Witchcraft are pretty tightly intwined at first glance, so can be difficult to sort some of the ideas apart, but the "returns X3" idea is a Wiccan one. "Law of Three" or "Law of Return" is what I know that principle by. It's not one I personally believe in, actually.

I also have a problem with the terms "white magic" and "black magic", or "white witch" or "black witch" - to a Witch such as myself these ideas are foreign to my spiritual practices, and actually downright misleading. There is nothing (in my magical path) "evil" about blackness, darkness, and negativity. Everything in balance...

Anyhow, I'm more than happy to discuss Witchcraft, spellwork, etc. with anybody interested. One of my favorite topics. :)

Please go on. This topic facinates me. I love learning about other peoples belifes

Cupric, I mentioned that in earlier times, as in, a long while back, people called Wiccans White Magicians. :) Now-a-days it's different and the Wiccans have more freedom, so to say.

About spells and how they work, I prefer not to talk here on the thread, just because I've had 'bad' experiences with people to who I was trying to explain and actually showed how the spells and rituals work.

I am open for a discussion about it though. :) Maybe I'll change my mind.

Blackness, darkness and 'evil' are not in my path of living. :) The Wiccan way is my path now for a long time, my life is going pretty well... :)

If someone uses a spell in the name of Love...
It will never be bad, or go wrong...

Besides that, if you do a pell witout Love, it turns to be very weak.

What gives power to a spell is the Love we put on it. :)

Love,
Nelson

If someone uses a spell in the name of Love...
It will never be bad, or go wrong...


I disagree, Nelson. That's a beautiful sentiment, but unfortunately it's very rarely true. In fact, so-called "love spells" are pretty much forbidden in most traditions - Banshee can perhaps help me explain why.

For me (and most other Witches) the decision to cast a spell hinges on a question of whether or not it manipulates someone else's free will. I have a great amount of respect for each individual persons' right to live their life according to their own choices, so I am very cautious in applying any sort of magical spell to someone without permission beforehand.

Some traditions will even forbid something that appears to be perfectly beneficial, such as a healing spell, without that explicit permission. The reason for this is usually involving a concept of Karma - perhaps that illness is a necessary learning tool to that person, and therefore by applying healing without permission you are interrupting their learning process and causing havoc with thier Karma. If the sick person were to *ask* for a healing spell, that would be acceptable, however. I don't personally see it as that much of an extreme, but you will definitely find those that do. (Probably most will be Wiccan.)

So...there's one definition of "black" magic for you - magic that influences someone's will without their permission.

And let's look at love spells - while this probably isn't precisely what you were talking about, Nelson, it's relevant enough, I think.

Ever heard the saying "If you loves something, set it free..."? This is excellent advice, I'd say. A love spell is just the opposite - magically cultivating an impression of affection for someone they don't actually care for is one of the biggest intrusions into someone's freedom I can imagine. No matter how much "in love" I ever felt with someone, I would never cast a spell upon them to make them love me back. I would be fooling myself, for one thing, and for another my lover would literally be "out of his mind". Spells of this nature can backfire wildly too - I have heard of the target of a love spell becoming a violent stalker once the spell caster realized she didn't like the guy so much after all and tried to get rid of him. He became obsessed with her, and maybe the spell wasn't completely to blame, but I'm sure it added to the fire.

Nelson, I'm sure you're familiar with the quote, "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"? Sometimes, a spell designed with all the love in the world is nothing more than a bad idea, and at the extreme can be downright dangerous in the right (or wrong, as the case may be) circumstances.

So, what happens to people (withches) that abuse witchcraft? And Im totally retarded when it comes to this subject - so please forgive me. There is no heavan or hell - right? The only things I know of this - is what I learned on TV. So im sure they are wrong. But what happens after you die? Do you have a god? And what do the elements mean? Im very curious.

Banshee,

"Earlier" times...okay, I missed that bit. But actually, I see many Wiccans calling themselves just that in current times...but it's sort of a moot point anyway - is there *anything* some Witch or Wiccan hasn't called themselves at some point or another? :D Wicca has definitely broadened out since it's inception, that I am in complete agreement with. Some folks object to this broadening as a loss of old traditions, but I can't help but see it as a positive thing.

And hey, if you're not comfortable discussing spells here, by all means don't! I'm not trying to pressure anybody, I was just pointing out that some folks (like me) don't mind discussing them. :) Join in, or stand by, but you're certainally welcome to jump in at any point. Since you *are* a Wiccan (unless I've read something wrong), you'll likely have a different viewpoint to mine, which can only make the discussion more interesting, yes? :) But, y'know, follow your comfort level.

Blackness, darkness and 'evil' are not in my path of living

Well, I wouldn't exactly say "evil" is part of my path either, but blackness and darkness certainally are. To risk being a pain in the ass, I'll even bet they're part of your path too, just not recognized as such. After all, a full moon is best viewed in the darkest hour of night, is it not? And have you ever used a waning or dark moon in a spell or ritual? :) Darkness and blackness have a bad reputation for being something "evil", but really it's just bad press. (IMO) Even destruction, while it may not always be the most pleasant experience - destruction must occur before construction, and vice-versa. To me this is just another example of one of the many cycles that exist around me everywhere.

BUT - all of this is not to say there's anything wrong with your path, it's simply not mine. :)

Do you mind if I ask how long you've been Wiccan?

Asguard,

Hey, I'll chatter away forever, but - do you have any specific questions? Gives me a starting place. :)

Cupric,

I disagree, Nelson. That's a beautiful sentiment, but unfortunately it's very rarely true. In fact, so-called "love spells" are pretty much forbidden in most traditions - Banshee can perhaps help me explain why.

You understood me wrong...
I'm not talking about Love spells, I'm saying that what gives a spell its power is Love... ;)

A spell not casted with Love is weak...

So...there's one definition of "black" magic for you - magic that influences someone's will without their permission.
Yes!! That's for sure!!

The Love spells I'm talking about here are all spells...
I'm not focusing on the issue love, earthly love...
I'm focusing on the way of casting a spell.

Love is the Force which empowers the Universe.

*stRgrL*,

So, what happens to people (withches) that abuse witchcraft?

Everything you do naturally returns 3 times greater to you.

There is no heavan or hell - right?

Heaven and hell are here...

But what happens after you die?

I've never heard this in witchcraft... that's a good question... perhaps Banshee or Cupric (or both...) knows... ;)

Do you have a god?

Two. Our Father from Heavens and our Mother from Earth... :)

And what do the elements mean?

Aspects of ourselves and of the Universe.


Death is really strange... at the same time you return to Heaven and to Earth. Even Christianism say that!! :bugeye:

Love,
Nelson

Originally posted by Cupric
*Well, I wouldn't exactly say "evil" is part of my path either, but blackness and darkness certainally are. To risk being a pain in the ass, I'll even bet they're part of your path too, just not recognized as such. After all, a full moon is best viewed in the darkest hour of night, is it not? And have you ever used a waning or dark moon in a spell or ritual?*

Yes, I meant it more as a way of acting in a 'black' or 'dark' way toward others and having a fear of 'blackness' and 'darkness', for I am not afraid of it at all. Guess I understood you wrong at this point. :) My apologies. :)

Oh yes, I obviously am a pain, even to members here on the boards, so it seems. While it certainly it not my intention.

The darkest hours of the night I prefer most, with or without the full Moon. And yes, I have very often used waning, dark and full Moons in spells and rituals. Every 'part' of the Moon has its own use in spells and rituals.

I am a Wiccan since I was 14 years old. I am 42 now, so a long time. I'm at your service to discuss the subject, don't give spells...sorry. :)

TruthSeeker, you posted while I was typing my reply. :)

there's one definition of "black" magic for you - magic that influences someone's will without their permission.

Influencing someone's will without permission is forbidden and out of the question in the Wiccan tradition. Then you head in the direction of Voo-Doo. That's a subject I stay away from. Some say it only works if you believe in this so called "Black Magic". There certainly is something "wicked" about Voo-Doo. It's an old tradition and there are cultures in which this is still in use. Weird things happen in this cultus. I know a few people who dealt with this Voo-Doo. They didn't even know there was someone after them. In the Netherlands live a lot of people from Suriname (don't know if the spelling is correct) and they know how to practise Voo-Doo.

But what happens after you die?

When your life time has come to an end, you have to deal with how you lived this life time. My view on this varies very much from that of the people who say there is nothing after this life time. I don't believe in the one and only god. I call it "All That Is".
I agree with TruthSeeker that heaven and hell are just part of life, not in an afterlife. A lot of humans have lived before and will return in another life time after this one. In between you return to the Cosmos, where you come from. It depends on how you lived this life time, in how you will return to a next life time. Maybe the best word to describe it is Karma or Ka. Don't know how to tell it in different words. I'll think about this. There's a lot more to say about the in between...:) :)

stRgrL,

Okay, #1, you're not retarded, LOL, just ignorant on a pretty esoteric topic that most folks know virtually nothing about. Nothing to forgive - you asked a set of perfectly honest and reasonable questions. :)

As for those questions... Well, the answer you're going to get is going to vary by the witch. That's one thing about having a "religion" (for lack of a better term) that has no set dogma - most of us sort of decide what we believe and work with that throughout our lives, revising our opinions as we learn from our mistakes.

Okay...the witch that abuses magic: Some believe in a "Rule of Three", I spoke about that briefly before. This idea basically states that what you send out (ie positive or negative energies, usually in the form of spells) will come back to you, TIMES THREE. (I've also rarely heard other versions that say times six, or slightly more frequently, times nine).

Personally, I do believe that you attract the same sort of energies you send out, but I don't see any sort of multiplication going on in any sort of consistent format.

A couple of good (if rather mundane) examples of this might be a witch that likes to portray herself as intimidating and powerful. If she runs around in black capes flinging hexes, should she be surprised when people vandalize her car and heave rocks through her front windows? She spewed out negativity, she got back negativity.

Now take a witch that is unassuming, she lives peacefully with her Christian neigbors even though she wears a pentagram openly, and uses the magic at her disposal to heal and soothe those she encounters. She is likely to be well-liked despite her "eccentricity", even if she is "found out" to be a witch. She spews positivity, she gets back positivity.

Granted, someone can look and act like the unassuming witch and hex herself silly all night in secrecy, but in my experience, it's very difficult to hide your true self for an extended period of time. Eventually, the truth appears, and consequences are paid in the form of loss of friendship, jobs, trust, and sometimes actual physical danger, depending on the situation.

Do you ("we") have a god...well, there's another that's going to vary depending upon the witch. This is actually a pretty big question! There are lots of variations of belief in Godhood...

Some believe there is a single supreme deity, most often a Goddess.

Some believe in a single supreme deity that is usually split into a male half (A God) and a female half (A Goddess) that are roughly equal in power. If one is considered supreme, it is most often the Goddess half.

Some believe there are hundreds or thousands of different Gods, none are supreme over the others, instead each are (usually) supreme over a certain aspect or two of nature. (IE a God/dess of Beauty, a God/dess of Childbirth, a God/dess of Healing, etc)

Still others believe in a mixture of the above - a single deity, usually split into male and female halves, but known by thousands of names across the globe, giving the impression of being several thousand Gods and Goddesses but is actually a dual or single being.

And then there's the belief that all things are God - every living thing is a bit of God, add us all up and you're getting there...

Some believe the concept of "God" is just a label we place on an unconscious universal force. Others believe the God and/or Goddess are thinking, feeling beings that reach out to, care for, and will communicate with human beings.

And then there are those that believe there are all sorts of different types of Gods in existance - some are unthinking forces, some are "elevated" or "enlightened" human souls, some are souls from a slightly different plane, etc.

Had enough yet? :) And I'm just rattling this off the top of my head, I'm sure there are dozens and dozens of other beliefs.

Personally...well, I'm currently sort of in a blend of a bunch of these ideas. I think there is one main force in the universe that tends to make life happen - this is the true Creator, but it's a non-thinking being. What appears to reach out to us, that communicates with and loves us, is a layer of "being" added to that force, created by all the thousands of years of psychic activity in the form of prayer, ritual and spellwork humans have been pouring out since we became human. I believe we have literally given life to that force, made up of all the little bits we have willingly sacrificed to it over the years. How we percieve it from there, what sex we assign or what names we choose to call it are up to us. (all my own opinion, of course)

Many of those specialized God-names are still useful to me, however. I regularly revere the Hindu god Ganesha, the name of this God works for me as sort of a key into the corresponding wavelengths of this "Force" or "God", producing the results I desire. (Ganesha is known as the remover of obstacles.)

The elements...ahhh, yes! And like anything else, my answer will vary from someone else's...

Most recognize four elements - Earth, Air, Fire & Water. Obviously, these aren't the modern elements... I've heard these called the "old" elements, and the "alchemical" elements. I believe these are mainly from the British area, which is where most witchcraft is traced back to.

BUT - this is another that varies upon tradition. Druids see "realms" instead of elements - the Realms of Earth, Air and Water, and Fire is the means of moving between the three realms.

Chinese medicine has five elements - Earth, Air, Fire, Water, and Metal. (I think those are right, anyway...one of those seems wrong now that I'm looking at it though...)

I use a modification of the first set - I observe five elements, the fifth being "Space" or "Spirit".

The elements are useful in spellwork - each element corresponds to several things. Water, for example, corresponds to the direction West, the Sea, deep emotion, and femininity (and many, many other things). So if your spell involves any of those things, the element of Water might be a good thing to include.

When in ritual, many covens (or groves, or circles, or whatever they're calling themselves) will ask the spirit of each direction to be present, to lend their energy to the ritual and to protect the group from intrusion. In this role, the elements are often referred to as the "Watchtowers", and each element/direction/watchtower is invoked individually, asked to peform as guardian, then ritually thanked and dismissed at the end of the ritual. (With lots of variations, depending upon the group.)

I'm certain I've missed a whole bunch of information here, but I think this is a long enough post for the moment, LOL, and hopefully it'll at least give us some good stuff to talk about. :)

Banshee,

Oh yes, I obviously am a pain, even to members here on the boards, so it seems. While it certainly it not my intention.

LOL! Oh, no no no!! That's not what I was saying at all... I was saying *I* was being the pain in the ass! :) And hey, no need to apologize either, misunderstandings happen on boards, it's just how it goes. No worries. :) (I don't get upset very easily, folks gotta *try* if they want to offend me. :) )

Every 'part' of the Moon has its own use in spells and rituals.

I agree! I also like how you put "part" in quotes like that - I see a lot of folks that tend to forget there's more to the moon than just waxing, full, waning, and dark - she's always a'changin'. ;)

Nelson,

A spell not casted with Love is weak...

Hmmm... I'm still not seeing exactly what you mean here... Perhaps we are working with differing definitions of love?

How are you defining Love? I see you said "Love is the Force which empowers the Universe.", but do you have anything more specific I can sink my teeth into? Thanks. :)

Cupric,

I use a modification of the first set - I observe five elements, the fifth being "Space" or "Spirit".

I do the same...

I match the four elements, five elements, four seasons and the 12 signs of the zodiac. It's perfect to work with witchcraft... ;)

Like...
Aries, Leo and Saggitarius: Fire
And so on... ;)

They work in triangles.
You get the 12 signs and divide per 4 (elements). You get 4 triangles for each element.

I read a long time ago a book that talked about that and it inspired me to mix all those things together. The book also mixed all those things with Junguian Psychology.

Unfortunatly, I don't remember the name of the book... :(

I will see if I found a site about this... :);)

Love,
Nelson

there's no white or black magic , it's only the question of how you use it.

EXACTLY! Well said, Avatar. :)

Cupric,

How are you defining Love? I see you said "Love is the Force which empowers the Universe.", but do you have anything more specific I can sink my teeth into? Thanks.

Words are not enough to determine a Highter Truth. Probably because The Highter Truth is limitless... ;)

I don't know how can I say...

Love is the "Force" within the Universe. The Universe is nothing but Love. Love is a limitless resource of Creation. Once you connect yourself with this source, Love, you are able to access your God Self and create your own Reality.

It's an everlasting game of conscient and unconscient. Your conscient and subconscient do the programation of your unconscient. The ego is just the tip of an iceberg in the middle of the ocean of the Highter Self, the God of Creation.

Once you know how to relate consciently with your Highter Self you are using magic in your life.
That's the Faith of Christianism. ;)
That's the kabbalah in Judaism. ;)
That's the Non-Action in Taoism. ;)
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;)

Once you discover your Real Self, your True Self, your Highter Self, Inner Child, God Self........ and learn how to use it in your behalf, you use magic. Why do I call Love...?
Because...

We are all Love Beings, Children of God :)

Love,
Nelson

Love is the "Force" within the Universe. The Universe is nothing but Love. Love is a limitless resource of Creation. Once you connect yourself with this source, Love, you are able to access your God Self and create your own Reality.
It's an everlasting game of conscient and unconscient. Your conscient and subconscient do the programation of your unconscient. The ego is just the tip of an iceberg in the middle of the ocean of the Highter Self, the God of Creation.
That's some heavy gibberish, Seeker! Any proof fot that except your own imagination?;)
Cheers!

I think I understand now, Nelson.

You are calling "love" what I call "God", I think. This part Love is a limitless resource of Creation especially makes me believe so.

Different words, same essence.

It's an everlasting game of conscient and unconscient. Your conscient and subconscient do the programation of your unconscient. The ego is just the tip of an iceberg in the middle of the ocean of the Highter Self, the God of Creation.

(I think you mean unconscious, conscious, and subconscious, yes?)

C. Jung's work about archetypes and the subconscious mind seem to back up what you're saying, I think. I'm curious about what you might be saying though - are you saing the "unconscious" mind and the "subconscious" mind are different? (are we heading towards an "id, ego, superego" type idea, or a dual "conscious, subconscious" type of idea here? Or something else?)

I think for my own personal use, I'd subsitute the word "hidden" or "inner" self instead of "higher" self, but otherwise, I'm thinking I'm understanding what you're saying, and agreeing for the most part.

Cupric,

Yes, you understood. :)

I'm curious about what you might be saying though - are you saing the "unconscious" mind and the "subconscious" mind are different? (are we heading towards an "id, ego, superego" type idea, or a dual "conscious, subconscious" type of idea here? Or something else?)

That's a confusing thing...
First better not use the term uncoscious. Instead, let's use the term "Supraconscient".
There is conscient, subconscient and supraconscient.

Conscient is easy to understand, it's your ego.
Subconscient and Supraconscient are harder.

Subconscient is the part of yourself where your feelings are hidden. It's where all your old life patterns are. It creates your habits and it dictates what will happen with you. It gives you even your feelings, your reactions. A common example of subconscient pattern is the "victim". The one that says that he is always the victim will always be until he goes into his subconscient and changes the pattern. There are hundreds of examples...

Supraconscient is another name for Subconscient... but in a different perspective. The Supraconscient is your Inner Self. It's where the Creation is made. The Subconscient gives the pattern the Conscient made to the Supraconscient which creates it in our lifes...

Complex, isn't?

Ok... let's see in different ways.
The Conscient is the tip of an iceberg in the middle of an Ocean, your Supraconscient. Your Subconscient is the part of the iceberg which is underwater. The process of Reality Creation is:

...........................Conscient
................................|
.......................Subconscient....Subconscien t
................................|............../
.......................Supraconscient
................................|
.......................Manifestation

Two things can happen:
1. State of Awareness:
Your Conscient gives the information to your Subconscient, which gives it to Supraconscient which manifests it.

2.Common State (nowdays...):
Your Subconscient gives old patterns information to your Supraconscient when you are "self-sleeping" instead of self-aware, which manifests it.

Understood?
If you didn't, I understand you... :D:D:D

Love,
Nelson

I would love to give you a spacific question but i don't know enough to know what to ask

By the way on gods i have always felt that the univese IS god and that he creates worlds like earth, his daughters (i just see planets as female, don't know why). That probably sounds stupid

Asguard,

By the way on gods i have always felt that the univese IS god and that he creates worlds like earth, his daughters (i just see planets as female, don't know why). That probably sounds stupid

The energy of planets is the Female Energy.
It feels female because planets are the site where life borns.

Heavens is Father.
Earth is Mother.

Heaven have seeds.
Earth receive them and life is born.

Love,
Nelson

By the way on gods i have always felt that the univese IS god and that he creates worlds like earth, his daughters (i just see planets as female, don't know why). That probably sounds stupid.

Not stupid at all Asguard. :) Gods, The Cosmos: All That Is...! :)

The Planets are in general female energy...

Asguard,

By the way on gods i have always felt that the univese IS god and that he creates worlds like earth, his daughters (i just see planets as female, don't know why). That probably sounds stupid

LOL, nope, doesn't sound stupid in the least! :) What you have there is your own personal perception of the universe, which is just as valid as my own. Different, but in my opinion, just as valid.

Like my car - all my cars have always been male, given male names (current one is named Pepe'), and referred to as "he". For various reasons, it just fits for me. If my hubby referrs to my car as "she", it doesn't sound stupid, it's interesting more than anything else. He's just percieving different things in the same object, doesn't make either of our observations or perceptions the wrong one - it's just a question of what works for you.

Magic seems to work like that as well. I can cast a spell completely differently from someone else, yet we can get nearly identical results. It boils down (I think) to your intent - the words, symbols, guestures, props, music, incense, whatever...all just one of many roads to your chosen destination.

I tend to see most of my mechanical companions as male, actually. My computer is male too. Maybe it's just because I tend to get along with men better than women? (They can be so *bitchy*...and being female doesn't seem to help, I *still* don't understand most women)

*ramble, ramble* I'll shut up now.. :D

my computer isnt GOOD enough to have a personality

or if it does it hates me:(

Originally posted by *stRgrL*
You practice Wicca? Ive always thought that to be the most interesting religion. Ive tried to start a discussion with my husband (who is a strict southern baptiste) but he just wont hear anything on the subject. Its a shame what christianity did to the wiccan religion...


Groove on

Hold on, what did I miss, what did christians do to wicca again?

You say it as if there is something bad, but the only thing I can think of was that they were too strict and upity, and drove their teenagers to find a religion that they knew would piss them off.

And why does the rede sound like Yoda wrote it? hehe, everywhere he is, look carefully you must.

I am a natural healer...

but i feel like a child struggling to learn something; if i try to heal it rarely works as well as if i just let it happen...

I do not need spells; although i do controlled breathing...

-...what made you relize you could control things around you...

sometimes i feel like i am a child...literally...
-what is your state of mind when doing (spells)?

-what are you thoughts on reincarnation...spirit energy (chi)...eastern medicine...

- do you wake up in the middle of the night from strange dreams and are very very thirsty?

Originally posted by Panther
if i try to heal it rarely works as well as if i just let it happen...

- do you wake up in the middle of the night from strange dreams and are very very thirsty?

Hold on here. . . if it doesn't work any better than it would if the person just healed naturaly. . . then how do you know that you did anything?

And Yes I often wake up from strange dreams, and I'm often very thirsty, but then I'm in a desert and the air is very dry.

Yes...you said
Hold on here. . . if it doesn't work any better than it would if the person just healed naturaly. . . then how do you know that you did anything?

Explaination

Natural healer
and
Healing Naturally
are not used interchangbly

A natural healer is a person that possess a unique ablity to help other people cure abnormalities physical, mental, emotion, or spiritual by sharing there energy with others...

Healing Naturally is a process we all develope
Ex. Skinned Knee: a scab will form i.e. healing naturally

What I said....
if i try to heal it rarely works as well as if i just let it happen...

What I meant is...
if i force my ability or try to control it in a specific way...

But if...
I just work with the person body and just let the process happen
(meaning, let my energy shift theirs back to equilibrium) then it works better...

Because sometimes I really want to help someone so I try and force a healing...the results are not as positive

But if...
they choose me...and I just let it happen then the results usually have a lasting positive result...

What I said....
- do you wake up in the middle of the night from strange dreams and are very very thirsty?

My dreams a very real to me...I appreciate your comments mystech; but I would like Banshee to take the dream and analyze it for me...thank-you

Analyzing dreams is no mystical process. I'm sure that Banshee will be the first to tell you that she can only take guesses, because it was not her own dream. It has special meaning to YOU and relevance within YOUR own life, not hers, and if she doesn't know what sort of person you are, or what's going on in your life, she can't relate it to anything that would really make sense.

You yourself are more qualified to interpret your own dreams, or at very least a psychiatrist whom you speak to regularly, and I do advise that for many of the people who post on these forums.

As far as Love Spells go you can't use them to influence another person but they can be used to attract love into your life without the consequences of influencing someone:)

Thank-you...

I guess you could call it a spell; however, I do not have a set of words or phrases that I say...

I believe "in a way" your right...although we all do it a little differently...

Best of Life ... Panther