End nuke program or else, Bolton warns (http://www.washtimes.com/world/20060406-111308-6447r.htm)
Iran has until the end of April to abandon its nuclear-weapons program and comply with international atomic energy agreements or face increased international sanctions, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations said yesterday.
What nuclear weapons program ?
The IAEA , US , EU have not come up with any evidence that Iran is building nuclear weapons. What Iran is doing is enriching uranium for power stations, activities Iran is allowed to do under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which both Iran and the United States have signed (but not Israel).Iran is in compliance with international atomic energy agreements.
THE IRAN PLANS (http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact)
The officials say that President Bush is determined to deny the Iranian regime the opportunity to begin a pilot program, planned for this spring, to enrich uranium.
This is, of course, a clear violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, signed by both the US and Iran (but not Israel) which specifically allows signing nations the right to develop nuclear power plants.
Iran ready for high-level talks, US resists (http://news.ft.com/cms/s/76a939b6-c5bc-11da-b675-0000779e2340.html)
Iran has prepared a high-level delegation to hold wide-ranging talks with the US, but the Bush administration is resisting the agenda suggested by Tehran despite pressure from European allies to engage the Islamic republic, Iranian politicians have told the Financial Times.
The last thing the Bush Junta wants is the world to see is Iran willing to cooperate to resolve issues between itself and the West. Any negotiations are doomed from the word go due to deliberate spiking by the Bush Junta.
US considers use of nuclear weapons against Iran (http://www.afp.com/english/news/stories/060408061934.4atjkq7n.html)
The administration of President George W. Bush is planning a massive bombing campaign against Iran, including use of bunker-buster nuclear bombs to destroy a key Iranian suspected nuclear weapons facility
OK the fruitcake in the White House is going to use atomic weapons on a nation which as of today is fully compliant with the law !
Has Iran broken any law concerning nuclear - well, anything? What part of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which they signed and Israel did not, was violated?

We make plans all the time. Planning is not doing. We are concerned about Iran developing a nuclear weapon, since there is no practical defense for one. I should point out that you don't know that Iran isn't planning to make a nuke, either.

Brian did an American steal your lunch money as a child or what ? I mean seriously-- you got issues mate.

Last week, the U.N. Security Council adopted a non-binding statement urging Iran to abandon its uranium enrichment activities. Tehran has rejected the demand. But none of that matters does it ??

I bet you blame Bush for your warm beer also. You're weird dude.

Brian Foley is probably an Iranian al Queda plant to try to plot such misinformation. If he isn't I deeply apologize to iranian al queda for suggest this fucktard works for them. I'm sure they have some standards somewhere. Not sure where though.

We make plans all the time. Planning is not doing.
This is not a plan this is open US aggressiion , how often does America announce they will consider using atomic bunker busting bombs ?
We are concerned about Iran developing a nuclear weapon, since there is no practical defense for one.
It is none of Americas business , how can the US preach hellfire indignation against a supposed Iranian A-Bomb when the US allowed Pakistan to develop its own bomb and test it and threaten India ?
I should point out that you don't know that Iran isn't planning to make a nuke, either.
I will and can say 100% that Iran is not building a bomb not even America has openly accused Iran of wanting or even having a bomb programme only that is suspects . The IAEA , the EU and Russia have all agreed that Iran does not have a A-Bomb weapons programme . All they want is for Iran to stop its enrichment programme . Iran is saying that it has under the NPT agreement every such right to do so .

Now having said that I personally have no problem with Iran developing an Atomic Weapon because judging by the US barbarity enacted on Iraq in which so far since 1990 1.5 million Iraqis have died that will be a powerful deterrent to the any US belligerent adveturism against another innocent nation .
Brian did an American steal your lunch money as a child or what ? I mean seriously-- you got issues mate.
What the Fuck is this ? The prick has only be on here a few weeks and he already is throwing his weight around ! I mean seriously didnt I tell you some posts back to go shove your head up Bush's Ass ?
Last week, the U.N. Security Council adopted a non-binding statement urging Iran to abandon its uranium enrichment activities. Tehran has rejected the demand. But none of that matters does it ??
More importantly could you answer has any evidence been forwarded that actually validates US accusations that Iran is pursuing an Atomic weapon ?
I bet you blame Bush for your warm beer also. You're weird dude.
Hey Fuck believe me I dont live in America I couldnt give a Fuck how many of you die in this bullshit war on terror . As far as I am concerned America is the biggest threat to the World peace and must be resisted at all costs .
Brian Foley is probably an Iranian al Queda plant to try to plot such misinformation. If he isn't I deeply apologize to iranian al queda for suggest this fucktard works for them. I'm sure they have some standards somewhere. Not sure where though.
This from a Fucking moonbeam who has only authored 2 threads on sciforums one entitled " Defining Star Treks Isoton " and the second " For those Star Trek Vs. Star Wars fans " , yeah ... hey man whatever . Hey I take that you calling me a Fucktard as a complement because mate if you ever called me a sane rational person I would be deeply Fucking worried ! ;)

This from a Fucking moonbeam who has only authored 2 threads on sciforums one entitled " Defining Star Treks Isoton " and the second " For those Star Trek Vs. Star Wars fans " , yeah ... hey man whatever . Hey I take that you calling me a Fucktard as a complement because mate if you ever called me a sane rational person I would be deeply Fucking worried ! ;)

Why should i author drivel like you do? I respond to far more than Sci-Fi, I just see no reason to authoring threads that as bullshit laden as yours is all. I dare you to present something that is anit iran, anti al-queda, and anti insurgent. If you're totally impartial then it should show.

Why should i author drivel like you do?
A 32 year old man obsessed with Star Trek , Fuck mate get a life .
I respond to far more than Sci-Fi,
Yeah how about you stay in Sci-Fi land leave us all alone .
I just see no reason to authoring threads that as bullshit laden as yours is all. .
This from an authour of uninteresting pointless shit like this .
I now I spoke before of what I thought Star trek meant by an Isoton, but i have had some thoughts lately.

Okay if we go strict translation is is equivalent to 1 metric ton of TNT.

Now this dos not sound right as even a hand pahaser could out do that.

Now, we know that the Galaxy Class ship has less than 400 gigajoules of effective shielding in any particular arc.

Perhaps an Isoton is determined by joule out put. Maybe a single isoton is a 100 megajoules. This would put standard torpedoes at 2 gigajoule output or 2 times the output of the entire ventral phaser array firing for one second. Still it would take hundred of photons to bring down a Galaxy class starships shields.

So what are your thoughts?
What are my thoughts , life must be hard when you are a 32 year old freshman at college LOL
I dare you to present something that is anit iran, anti al-queda, and anti insurgent. If you're totally impartial then it should show.
Why ? Im pro Iran and pro Iraqi resistance and as for Al Qaeda , hey I call them Al-CIAda . Better yet instead of slinging shit at me when I havent in the least provoked you , why dont you add something constructive to the thread . You know like why you think the US should turn Iran into a parking lot , you know something we can debate .

didn't russia say that it would supply iran with enriched uranium?

didn't russia say that it would supply iran with enriched uranium?

Yep and free of charge as well. Iran supplies the uranium and Russia would enrich it and ship it for free.

Yeah how about you stay in Sci-Fi land leave us all alone .

How about you just shut up and leave us alone? I mean it is a valid question

What are my thoughts , life must be hard when you are a 32 year old freshman at college LOL

I wouldn't know about 32 year old freshman as I am just a year away from my bachelors and won't be 32 years old until spetember. And pardon me form not being from a rich family, or for wanting to workd for a while before I wnet to college.

Why ? Im pro Iran and pro Iraqi resistance and as for Al Qaeda , hey I call them Al-CIAda . Better yet instead of slinging shit at me when I havent in the least provoked you , why dont you add something constructive to the thread . You know like why you think the US should turn Iran into a parking lot , you know something we can debate .

I'm american and I believe in telling it how it is, not playing to your paranoid-delusional fantasies. You have provoked me. You support organizations who have no respect for the rules of war. It's bad enough we have war, but when you break the few rules we have and murder civillians you should be punished. People who support such aggencies should also be punished.

Want to know why the Iraqi civillian casuality rate is so high? It is the direct actions of the Insurrgents, Iran, and Al-Qaeda. Go ahead and refute this truth. I know you will. Still doesn't change it.

Want to know why we invaded Iraq? WMD's were just a grain of sand. Saddam had violated the treaty he had signed too many times to ignore. He kept chemical and biological weapons in his stockpile and used them. He has delayed and denied inspectors. He has even performed crimes so heinous against his own people that they defy description. Deny it. it still remains true.

Want to know why we'll invade Iran? Becuase they are not even willing to compromise on any concern the whole world has. Just becuase you are a sovereign nation does not give you the right to piss off your neighbors when they express a real concern. Iran is doing just that. They are gambling and about to lose big time.

Want to know why you are a fucktard? Becuase your not not Pro_Iran or anything like that, it is becuase you are Anti American. Anyone defying America is a hero to you. It doesn't matter that their actions would make satan go "Dude that is just wrong." As far as you are concerned anything against America is to be worshipped. Now that i read what I wrote I realize that calling you a fucktard is actually insulting to fucktards every where.

Ohhhh..... yeah.
And the government is also slipping mind control agents into your water.
Not that it seems to be helping mich.

*sigh*

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...HELLO??? HELLO??? ANYONE AT HOME!? raps yer heads. only hear echos

LISTEN closely all here typing with your illte stars and stripes stickin outta your computees

your 'bleesed' Amerikee waged an I L L E G A L WAR ON IRAQ--a PREemptive strike. do y o u u n d e rstand????

Now you are uuuuing nd rrrring that they have no intentions to do so in IRAN??????

What littledreamworlds do you'll live in?

1) I am not even sure a war can be illegal.
You might be able to argue that its wrong or that its unnecessary or such things... but law really doesn't exist as more than a formality outside of national borders. For example, a treaty is only in effect as long as both parties wish it to be.

2) Why the hell would we need to make up stuff about Iran. We have pleanty of reasons to beat them down as is.

3) We have pleanty on our plate as is. Even if the absurd assertion that we went to war with Iraq for oil and Afganastan for whatever the hell Afganastan has, we aren't getting anything out of them [/i]now[/i]... much less once we further dilute our efforts. You might have a case for us going up against Iran if you go purely by the assertion that we are going up against them because they are a potential threat to our interests.

4) If we do end up blowing them back to the stoneage, which really isn't too far for them, I'm not really certain that that would be a bad idea... if we can manage it.

yeah, noone pays attention foley. just like you said.

1) I am not even sure a war can be illegal.
You might be able to argue that its wrong or that its unnecessary or such things... but law really doesn't exist as more than a formality outside of national borders. For example, a treaty is only in effect as long as both parties wish it to be.

me))Clockwork, is is very very clear, YO wouold defend nazism. i am serious, really!!

2) Why the hell would we need to make up stuff about Iran. We have pleanty of reasons to beat them down as is.

me))))))so. you and the war gung ho-ists. you going to destroy Nature. you have lost all feeling andare dull and numb and dumb. dont know what else to say. NUTHIN will get thru

3) We have pleanty on our plate as is. Even if the absurd assertion that we went to war with Iraq for oil and Afganastan for whatever the hell Afganastan has, we aren't getting anything out of them [/i]now[/i]... much less once we further dilute our efforts. You might have a case for us going up against Iran if you go purely by the assertion that we are going up against them because they are a potential threat to our interests.

me)))what are you doin at these forums? you learn nothin. you haven't budged your obnoxious views from day one i come here.

4) If we do end up blowing them back to the stoneage, which really isn't too far for them, I'm not really certain that that would be a bad idea... if we can manage it.

ypu are beyond vile and your heart ICE

This is, of course, a clear violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, signed by both the US and Iran (but not Israel) which specifically allows signing nations the right to develop nuclear power plants.

What does Israel have to do with this?

What does Israel have to do with this?

thats the sole reason he is here. to slander people he knows nothing about.

What nuclear weapons program ?

The one they could implement rapidly whenever they chose. Like Pakistan did, on whose system their own is based. Of course, it's a little harder now that attention is on them.

The IAEA , US , EU have not come up with any evidence that Iran is building nuclear weapons. What Iran is doing is enriching uranium for power stations, activities Iran is allowed to do under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which both Iran and the United States have signed (but not Israel).Iran is in compliance with international atomic energy agreements.

/sarc
But Israel has no nuclear weapons. They say they don't, and I know from your experience in the area of "we-say-we're-not-so-we're-not" politics that they must be telling the truth. After all, Iran says they're not developing nukes, and why would they lie? :D
/sarc off

Moreover, Iran has already specified that they will abandon the agreement if they so choose:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4703434.stm


Has Iran broken any law concerning nuclear - well, anything? What part of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which they signed and Israel did not, was violated?

Poor Brian. Your lack of attention is showing.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/iaea0603.html
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/nuke/

"7. In addition, in response to the Agency’s enquiry about certain transfers of nuclear material to Iran, only recently confirmed by the supplier State in response to repeated Agency enquiries, Iran acknowledged the receipt in 1991 of natural uranium, which had not been reported previously to the Agency, in the form of UF6 (1000 kg), UF4 (400 kg) and UO2 (400 kg), which was now being stored at the previously undeclared Jabr Ibn Hayan Multipurpose Laboratories (JHL) located at the Tehran Nuclear Research Centre (TNRC). Iran also informed the Agency that it had converted most of the UF4 into uranium metal in 2000 at JHL. This information was subsequently confirmed by Iran in a separate letter to the Agency dated 26 February 2003."

"8. ...While a centrifuge component production facility is not a nuclear facility required to be declared to the Agency under Iran’s NPT Safeguards Agreement, Iran was requested, in light of its stated policy of transparency, to permit the Agency to visit the workshop and to take environmental samples there to assist the Agency in verifying Iran’s declaration and confirming the absence of undeclared nuclear material and activities. The request was initially declined. "

They later acquiesed, but why the initial refusal?

"16. The UF6, UF4 and UO2 imported by Iran in 1991 are materials that, as provided for in Article 34(c)of Iran’s Safeguards Agreement, are subject to all of the safeguards procedures specified in the Agreement, including, in particular, the requirement to report inventory changes. Therefore, Iran was obliged to have reported the import of the material in question at the time of import. Equally, Iran was obliged to have reported design information as soon as possible before nuclear material was introduced to the receiving facility, and a Facility Attachment concluded for that facility."

"22. Most of the UO2 used in the UCF-related experiments has been presented for Agency verification as liquid waste at Esfahan; the remaining waste has been disposed of at a location near Qom and cannot be verified. The whereabouts of the AUC produced during the UCF-related experiments is being discussed. Final evaluation of the accountancy will be completed when the results of destructive analysis become available, and the supporting documentation provided by the facility operator has been examined. "

The findings of the report WRT to Iran's failure to comply are summarized here:

"D. Findings and Initial Assessment

32. Iran has failed to meet its obligations under its Safeguards Agreement with respect to the reporting of nuclear material, the subsequent processing and use of that material and the declaration of facilities where the material was stored and processed. These failures, and the actions taken thus far to correct them, can be summarized as follows:

(a) Failure to declare the import of natural uranium in 1991, and its subsequent transfer for further processing. On 15 April 2003, Iran submitted ICRs on the import of the UO2, UF4 and UF6. Iran has still to submit ICRs on the transfer of the material for further processing and use.

(b) Failure to declare the activities involving the subsequent processing and use of the imported natural uranium, including the production and loss of nuclear material, where appropriate, and the production and transfer of waste resulting therefrom. Iran has acknowledged the production of uranium metal, uranyl nitrate, ammonium uranyl carbonate, UO2 pellets and uranium wastes. Iran must still submit ICRs on these inventory changes.

(c) Failure to declare the facilities where such material (including the waste) was received, stored and processed. On 5 May 2003, Iran provided preliminary design information for the facility JHL. Iran has informed the Agency of the locations where the undeclared processing of the imported natural uranium was conducted (TRR and the Esfahan Nuclear Technology Centre), and provided access to those locations. It has provided the Agency access to the waste storage facility at Esfahan, and has indicated that access would be provided to Anarak, as well as the waste disposal site at Qom.

(d) Failure to provide in a timely manner updated design information for the MIX Facility and for TRR. Iran has agreed to submit updated design information for the two facilities.

(e) Failure to provide in a timely manner information on the waste storage at Esfahan and at Anarak. Iran has informed the Agency of the locations where the waste has been stored or discarded. It has provided the Agency access to the waste storage facility at Esfahan,and has indicated that access will be provided to Anarak.

33. Although the quantities of nuclear material involved have not been large, and the material would need further processing before being suitable for use as the fissile material component of a nuclear explosive device, the number of failures by Iran to report the material, facilities and activities in question in a timely manner as it is obliged to do pursuant to its Safeguards Agreement is a matter of concern. While these failures are in the process of being rectified by Iran, the process of verifying the correctness and completeness of the Iranian declarations is still ongoing. "

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/iaea0603.html

Geoff

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...HELLO??? HELLO??? ANYONE AT HOME!? raps yer heads. only hear echos

LISTEN closely all here typing with your illte stars and stripes stickin outta your computees

your 'bleesed' Amerikee waged an I L L E G A L WAR ON IRAQ--a PREemptive strike. do y o u u n d e rstand????

Now you are uuuuing nd rrrring that they have no intentions to do so in IRAN??????

What littledreamworlds do you'll live in?

*watches Duendy rap on coconut as if it was somebody's head*

You know what I hate? When it is clearly obvious someone is not even trying to write a coherent post. Their grammar is so off the wall and spelling looks like some hyperspastic chihuahua was typing for them. It just grates.

The US did not engage in an illegal war. You may think it has, but again your thoughts and reality are two very different things. We had many reasons to go to war in Iraq. Not the least of which is Saddam Hussein himself. We destroyed an oppresive and abusive upper class that was literally murdering and raping their black guts out. Our only mistake was thinking the war would take longer and we'd have a while to plan how we were going to help the local people put together a true government. This mistake is excaberated by terrorist groups and Iran, who both want different things.

didn't russia say that it would supply iran with enriched uranium?
Oh yeah , but America scuttled that by putting a provision of quantity , meaning it wouldnt be enough for Irans needs .
How about you just shut up and leave us alone? I mean it is a valid question
This is my thread moonbeam you enjoined it you are the one throwing insults .
I wouldn't know about 32 year old freshman as I am just a year away from my bachelors and won't be 32 years old until spetember. And pardon me form not being from a rich family, or for wanting to workd for a while before I wnet to college.
Im sorry you are a 31 year old introvert who lives in a fanytasy world of Star wars , Stra trek and Battle star galatica , christ I bet the moron has a toy collection of all his favourite characters . ;)
I'm american and I believe in telling it how it is, not playing to your paranoid-delusional fantasies. You have provoked me. You support organizations who have no respect for the rules of war. It's bad enough we have war, but when you break the few rules we have and murder civillians you should be punished. People who support such aggencies should also be punished.
Im sorry Im lost America knowingly invaded Iraq on spurious and groundless evidence and was not sanctioned by the UN . The US has openly proceeded with a detainment policy of civilians leading to deliberate torture and terror . Since 1990 the US has oversawthe mass murder of 1.5+ Iraqi human beings . If I had a choice between Bin Laden and Bush it would be Bin Laden all the way asshole .
Want to know why the Iraqi civillian casuality rate is so high? It is the direct actions of the Insurrgents, Iran, and Al-Qaeda. Go ahead and refute this truth. I know you will. Still doesn't change it.
If America had not of attacked illegally Iraq their wouldnt be any Iraqi civilians being killed every childs death , every mothers death and every regular Iraqi civilian death is to be laid fair and square on Americas doorstep .
Want to know why we invaded Iraq? WMD's were just a grain of sand. Saddam had violated the treaty he had signed too many times to ignore. He kept chemical and biological weapons in his stockpile and used them. He has delayed and denied inspectors. He has even performed crimes so heinous against his own people that they defy description. Deny it. it still remains true.
Show me proof ? Where are these elusive WMD ? Where are these chemical and biological weapons ? Now that America has occupied Iraq illegally for 3 years not one iota of evidence has been provided .
Want to know why we'll invade Iran? Becuase they are not even willing to compromise on any concern the whole world has. Just becuase you are a sovereign nation does not give you the right to piss off your neighbors when they express a real concern. Iran is doing just that. They are gambling and about to lose big time.
Its none of Americas business ! What neighbours has Iran pissed off ? Israel thraetened Iran first and the region is requesting America co-operate with Iran to quell the violence in Iraq a situation America is trying its best to scuttle .
Want to know why you are a fucktard? Becuase your not not Pro_Iran or anything like that, it is becuase you are Anti American. Anyone defying America is a hero to you. It doesn't matter that their actions would make satan go "Dude that is just wrong." As far as you are concerned anything against America is to be worshipped. Now that i read what I wrote I realize that calling you a fucktard is actually insulting to fucktards every where.
A 31 year old obsessive Star Trek fan who posts thraeds as if that world really exists calling me a fucktard I find very reassuring because if you called me rational Id be very worried indeed ROFL now beam yourself up .
What does Israel have to do with this?
Because Israel is the main driving force of providing intel to the US on Irans capabilties and threatening Iran with airstrikes , Israel is the one causing trouble and Israel is the only nation with a nuclear arsenal . And Israel is a vile ugly racist state that is exclusive and is the real thraet .
Moreover, Iran has already specified that they will abandon the agreement if they so choose:
And once again he still cannot provide one single newslink which clearly states that Iran is proceeding with an Atomic weapons programme .

Because Israel is the main driving force of providing intel to the US on Irans capabilties and threatening Iran with airstrikes , Israel is the one causing trouble and Israel is the only nation with a nuclear arsenal . And Israel is a vile ugly racist state that is exclusive and is the real thraet .

Once again - they said they didn't have one. Foleyan rules of Middle Eastern discourse dictate that "if someone say it's so, it is". Thus, the Israelis have no nukes.

And once again he still cannot provide one single newslink which clearly states that Iran is proceeding with an Atomic weapons programme .

And once again Foley still cannot provide one single newslink which clearly states that Iran is not trying to develop an Atomic weapons programme.

You asked what their initial infraction was: I showed you.

You demanded I accept the dictate of the IAEA: I did (and they agreed with ME).

You think you can see into the heads of the Mullah Council, or the nutbar who runs Iran, but that I can't.

And yet you deny all of the above, without ever realizing that the reason Iran hasn't been able to make a nuke is precisely because there's been exactly this kind of pressure on them.

Foley, I think you need to change the foil in your aluminum hat.

Geoff

Once again - they said they didn't have one. Foleyan rules of Middle Eastern discourse dictate that "if someone say it's so, it is". Thus, the Israelis have no nukes.
Mordechai Vanunu
And once again Foley still cannot provide one single newslink which clearly states that Iran is not trying to develop an Atomic weapons programme.
How many newslinks do you want ?
No Proof Found of Iran Arms Program (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/22/AR2005082201447.html)
Traces of bomb-grade uranium found two years ago in Iran came from contaminated Pakistani equipment and are not evidence of a clandestine nuclear weapons program, a group of U.S. government experts and other international scientists has determined.

U.N. Agency Findings Back Up Iran Claim (http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5222707,00.html)
VIENNA, Austria (AP) - U.N. nuclear agency tests have concluded that traces of highly enriched uranium on centrifuge parts were from imported equipment - rather than from any enrichment activities by Iran, a senior Western diplomat said Saturday.

IAEA: No proof of secret Iran plan (http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/01/iran.nuclear/)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The U.N. atomic watchdog agency says weapons inspectors have not uncovered evidence to support accusations that Iran has a secret nuclear weapons program.

IAEA confirms peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear activities: chief negotiator 06/11/2005 (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-06/11/content_3073327.htm)
TEHRAN, June 11 (Xinhuanet) -- Iran's chief nuclear negotiator Hassan Rowhani said on Saturday that the UN nuclear watchdog has confirmed the peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear activities, the semi-official Mehr news agency reported.

Russian Atomic Energy Minister: Iran Has No Technology to Produce A-Bomb (http://www.rosbaltnews.com/2002/12/28/60899.html)
"The production of an atomic bomb requires a complex of plants with high-tech equipment, while Iran has nothing of the kind," Rumyantsev said.
You asked what their initial infraction was: I showed you.

I did not ask that I asked very clearly on here and as well on my other Iranian thread .
And once again he still cannot provide one single newslink which clearly states that Iran is proceeding with an Atomic weapons programme .
Now could you for Fucks sake do it !!!!
You demanded I accept the dictate of the IAEA: I did (and they agreed with ME).
IAEA confirms peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear activities: chief negotiator 06/11/2005 (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-06/11/content_3073327.htm)
TEHRAN, June 11 (Xinhuanet) -- Iran's chief nuclear negotiator Hassan Rowhani said on Saturday that the UN nuclear watchdog has confirmed the peaceful nature of Iran's nuclear activities, the semi-official Mehr news agency reported.
Good so you agree with the IAEA decision of November 2005 concerning Iran here .
You think you can see into the heads of the Mullah Council, or the nutbar who runs Iran, but that I can't.
What am I psychic ! Just show me the Fucking hard evidence which says Iran is developing an Atomic Weapon as you claimed on my last Iranian thread ?
And yet you deny all of the above, without ever realizing that the reason Iran hasn't been able to make a nuke is precisely because there's been exactly this kind of pressure on them.
Again no evidence has been put forward and accepted that Iran wants to develop an atomic weapon ! Show me where the US has come outright and declared that Iran is actively pursuing an Atomic weapon programme ?
Foley, I think you need to change the foil in your aluminum hat.
Is this clown for Fucking real ?

Gettin' ready to attack Iran, and start that final war, yeah baby! Tomorrow we wake up in heaven after the rapture.

*watches Duendy rap on coconut as if it was somebody's head*

You know what I hate? When it is clearly obvious someone is not even trying to write a coherent post. Their grammar is so off the wall and spelling looks like some hyperspastic chihuahua was typing for them. It just grates.

me))THAT grates, puntuation?! but the evil killing of thousands of people in Iraq, etc., and poisoning the very atmosphere with depleted uranium--whiich is also killing their own soldiers (U.S., etc.,) DOESN't 'grate'...?!!look in MIRROR!!!

The US did not engage in an illegal war. You may think it has, but again your thoughts and reality are two very different things. We had many reasons to go to war in Iraq. Not the least of which is Saddam Hussein himself. We destroyed an oppresive and abusive upper class that was literally murdering and raping their black guts out. Our only mistake was thinking the war would take longer and we'd have a while to plan how we were going to help the local people put together a true government. This mistake is excaberated by terrorist groups and Iran, who both want different things.

.......yous a propaganda spONGE!

You seem to forget that conspiracy nuts, anti-american powers, and a dozen other groups are all pumping out their own propaganda.
And you are most definitely their sponge.

Mordechai Vanunu

Gesundheit.

Seriously, though, it doesn't matter in Foleyan logic what proof you have - only of what you say.

How many newslinks do you want ?

I read those - old, out of date, and all they seem to talk about is what they think Iran's going to do or not do. None of them have any real proof. Suspicion isn't proof. Can't you find any real proof?

:D

I did not ask that I asked very clearly on here and as well on my other Iranian thread .

Err...you said:

Has Iran broken any law concerning nuclear - well, anything? What part of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which they signed and Israel did not, was violated?

Maybe that was some other Brian Foley.

Now could you for Fucks sake do it !!!!

I already did !!!! Didn't you find the comments !!!! Do you need new glasses !!!!

Good so you agree with the IAEA decision of November 2005 concerning Iran here .

Of course! And their follow-up on Iran where they kind of changed their minds:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear

However the links are older than Foley's shirt, so I have excerpts here:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=51540&page=7&pp=20

What am I psychic ! Just show me the Fucking hard evidence which says Iran is developing an Atomic Weapon as you claimed on my last Iranian thread ?

No, you're not, but you think you are, and I didn't say they definitely were, I said they probably are trying to do so and would in a blink if no one were looking. Duuh. You only seem to deal in absolutes, but - or when it's to your advantage, anyway.

Is this clown for Fucking real ?

I don't know: are you?

Back to your bunker, Foley. The Illuminati are coming. And they have the rubber protruder.

Geoff

"Since 1990 the US has oversawthe mass murder of 1.5+ Iraqi human beings"

Really?? It was my understanding that Saddam was in power during this time periord?? He obviously had enough money to build new digs with gold sinks...

So Bryan, how is it that Saddam had enough money to build palaces with gold sinks and yet couldnt feed his people? Are you saying his gold sinks were more important?

Once again - they said they didn't have one. Foleyan rules of Middle Eastern discourse dictate that "if someone say it's so, it is". Thus, the Israelis have no nukes. - G

Mordechai Vanunu - BF

Gesundheit.

Seriously, though, it doesn't matter in Foleyan logic what proof you have - only of what you say. - G

Gesundheit? Heh, typical. Try and use humor to sideskirt the issue of having your claims refuted in regards to the so-called innocence of Israel.

Mordechai Vanunu is a guy's name.

Here, read up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu

Mordechai Vanunu (help·info) (מרדכי ואנונו) (born October 13, 1954), also known by his baptismal name John Crossman, is an Israeli former nuclear technician who revealed details of Israel's nuclear weapons program to the British press in 1986.

- N

"Since 1990 the US has oversawthe mass murder of 1.5+ Iraqi human beings"

Really?? It was my understanding that Saddam was in power during this time periord?? He obviously had enough money to build new digs with gold sinks...

So Bryan, how is it that Saddam had enough money to build palaces with gold sinks and yet couldnt feed his people? Are you saying his gold sinks were more important?


Gold sinks & having 30 majestic palaces are part of the perks of being a dictator, there is no doubt sadaam was affected by these harsh sanctions too, work on another 15 new grand palces was put on hold, & his hareem shrinked to under a 1000 girls, the americans also had sanctions on US hard core porn, so sadaam no longer had access to new snuff dvds, so he had to make do with killing his own people, after decades of doing this he was by this stage very bored with it, & before he so much enjoyed curling up in front of a log fire with a cuban cigar, a brandy & the latest american snuff dvd's, the mark of a outstanding dictator is to ascend the killing fields, and embrace hollywood snuff dvds.

So lets not forget sadaams hardships too......

Sometimes I don't know if Vincent is trying to make a point, which he is doing pretty well, or is just being... Vincent.

I wish Vincent would post more often.

And duendy strikes again, God I love her posts. Trying to decipher them is a good way to past the time when I don't feel like doing any homework.

Seriously, though, it doesn't matter in Foleyan logic what proof you have - only of what you say.
Yep your Fucked .
I read those - old, out of date, and all they seem to talk about is what they think Iran's going to do or not do. None of them have any real proof. Suspicion isn't proof. Can't you find any real proof?
Right my source is from 5 months ago from the IAEA , and this clown on page one of this thread gives a link from 2003 .All those links are current ie: 2005 to 2006 and pacifically state that Iran does not and is not pursuiing an atomic weapons programme .
Err...you said:
No morris dancer your link is an IAEA document of " Implementation of the NPT safeguards agreement in the Islamic Republic of Iran " it is about safety standards and documentaion . Not an indictment of Iranian illegality , now could you provide a link which corroborates your claim .
I already did !!!! Didn't you find the comments !!!! Do you need new glasses !!!!
Comments ! comments ! I want links to verified newsources you know what I asked for proof ! Or are you simply playing ignorant because you cant back up yopur mouth .
Of course! And their follow-up on Iran where they kind of changed their minds:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060201/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear

Your link does not exist .
Sorry, the page you requested was not found.

The story or page you were trying to access may have expired.

If you are having trouble locating a destination on Yahoo! News, try visiting the Yahoo! News home page or browse through the News site index. Also, you may find what you're looking for if you try searching below.
Could stop Fucking around and start providing .
No, you're not, but you think you are, and I didn't say they definitely were, I said they probably are trying to do so and would in a blink if no one were looking.
Strange on this thread you assured me that Iran was indeed seeking an Atomic weapon .
CNN caught Lying and thrown out of Iran (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=51540&page=1&pp=20)
Iran had been expressing "nuclear belligerence":
And further on you clearly state that Iran :
can see that Iran's President said that the nukes were only for peaceful purposes?
You are once again contradicting yourself , you have a habit of doing this .
Back to your bunker, Foley. The Illuminati are coming. And they have the rubber protruder.
Somewhere in England a Morris dancing Troupe is missing its village Idiot .

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/conker/conkers-and-ghosts/morris-dance.jpg

Back to your Village square , Geoff ! oooh Arrr ! oooh Arrr !

Really?? It was my understanding that Saddam was in power during this time periord?? He obviously had enough money to build new digs with gold sinks...
Palaces ? Bullshit more US propaganda , from what I saw of those edifices they looked like wealthy residential housing . All were empty and devoid of furniture indicative of owners who were residing overseas as is common during upheavals .Why the Fuck would he supposedly build 100s of palaces with gold fittings only to leave them empty ? And the larger Palces which were trumpted by the Press were goverment buildings and military complexs . Something the US orchestrated kangaroo trial of Saddam Hussein is burying as quickly as it inventede the story .
So Bryan, how is it that Saddam had enough money to build palaces with gold sinks and yet couldnt feed his people? Are you saying his gold sinks were more important?
They died because America inflicted on Iraq a medieval embargoe which under noursihed an entire nation , an embargoe which prevented medicines from entering the nation of Iraq killing in swathes . Your nation is the murderer of defenceless human beings

Because Israel is the main driving force of providing intel to the US on Irans capabilties and threatening Iran with airstrikes,

Proof?

Israel is the one causing trouble

How so?

and Israel is the only nation with a nuclear arsenal .

Are you serious? What about the US, Russia, China, France, Great Britain, Pakistan, India...

And Israel is a vile ugly racist state that is exclusive and is the real thraet .

Ah. So, it's just your old anti-Semitism flaring up again, and that's why you mentioned Israel. Ok, just had to be clear on that.

Gesundheit? Heh, typical. Try and use humor to sideskirt the issue of having your claims refuted in regards to the so-called innocence of Israel.

Mordechai Vanunu is a guy's name.

Neildo, I think that Geoff is quite aware of both Vanunu and of the Israeli nuclear weapons. He's trying to make a point about Foley's argument: Foley seems to think that if the Iranians say that they aren't trying to build nukes then that is sufficient evidence for it to be true. When applied anything other than the endorsed Foley viewpoint, it becomes quite apparent (by the multitude of contradictions) that such logic isn't worth the rise in entropy it took Foley to dream it up.

What nuclear weapons program ?
The IAEA , US , EU have not come up with any evidence that Iran is building nuclear weapons. What Iran is doing is enriching uranium for power stations, activities Iran is allowed to do under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, which both Iran and the United States have signed (but not Israel).Iran is in compliance with international atomic energy agreements.

This is, of course, a clear violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, signed by both the US and Iran (but not Israel) which specifically allows signing nations the right to develop nuclear power plants.

The last thing the Bush Junta wants is the world to see is Iran willing to cooperate to resolve issues between itself and the West. Any negotiations are doomed from the word go due to deliberate spiking by the Bush Junta.

OK the fruitcake in the White House is going to use atomic weapons on a nation which as of today is fully compliant with the law !
Has Iran broken any law concerning nuclear - well, anything? What part of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, which they signed and Israel did not, was violated?

what a bunch of bulshit. you dont know shit- m tired of you rants you tirads, yuou radical hippie pot smokin good gor nothing
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what a bunch of bulshit. you dont know shit- m tired of you rants you tirads, yuou radical hippie pot smokin good gor nothing
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so...everyone u dont agree with becomes a pot tokin head ne'r d well?....??
you gin drinkin redneck

gor head show everyone your biases. you forgot shit kicker./

Yep your Fucked .

Right my source is from 5 months ago from the IAEA , and this clown on page one of this thread gives a link from 2003 .All those links are current ie: 2005 to 2006 and pacifically state that Iran does not and is not pursuiing an atomic weapons programme .


Comments ! comments ! I want links to verified newsources you know what I asked for proof ! Or are you simply playing ignorant because you cant back up yopur mouth .




http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4336559.stm

Last Updated: Thursday, 10 March, 2005, 16:32 GMT


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Iran 'given Pakistan centrifuges'



Khan confessed last year to leaking nuclear secrets

Pakistan has confirmed that the former head of its nuclear weapons programme, AQ Khan, gave centrifuges for enriching uranium to Iran.

It is the first time Pakistani officials have publicised details of what nuclear materials the disgraced scientist passed on to Iran.

Information minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed told the BBC's Urdu service that "a few" centrifuges were involved.

Iran is under international pressure over its nuclear ambitions.

It says it intends to use enriched uranium only in power stations, but the US says Iran is making fuel for nuclear weapons.

'Personal capacity'

The Pakistani information minister stated again on Thursday that his government had no knowledge of Dr Khan's activities.

Click here to see how a gas centrifuge works

"He helped Iran in his personal capacity," he said, the Associated Press news agency reported.

Officials have consistently said that the government had no knowledge of Mr Khan's activities on the nuclear black market.


Why Pakistan's nuclear scandal still hits the news





Many analysts have questioned the veracity of these denials saying it would have been impossible for him to conceal his actions.

Dr Khan remains under close guard at his home in Islamabad.

The authorities have refused to allow experts from the UN nuclear watchdog, citing national security.

"We will not hand over [Dr Khan] to any other country," Mr Ahmed reiterated on Thursday.

Last month he dismissed reports that the US was probing whether Dr Khan had sold nuclear secrets to Arab nations.

European countries and the UN recently joined the US in criticising Iran for allegedly not keeping a pledge to suspend uranium enrichment activities.

UN atomic energy agency chief Mohamed ElBaradei said this month that the "ball is very much in Iran's court to come clean".

Nation shocked

The US has called Dr Khan the "biggest proliferator" of nuclear technology.

Labelled the father of Pakistan's nuclear programme, Dr Khan confessed last year to leaking nuclear secrets.

He said he took full responsibility for proliferating nuclear weapons to Iran, Libya and North Korea.

President Pervez Musharraf pardoned him, but the scandal embarrassed and traumatised Pakistan, and stunned world nuclear experts.

Dr Khan had held the post of scientific adviser since retiring as head of the country's top nuclear facility in 2001 but was sacked after his confession.

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Brian,brian,brian,

Can you read, then read the above, this pakistan scientist who developed the nukes for the paki's, also passed it on to north korea, who now say they have nukes, he also passed it to libya who admitted they were developing them too, the third country is iran, now brian are we to believe iran unlike the other 2 countries is not developing nukes, and there interests with him were only to develope nuclear power, i was under the impression the russian were building there nuclear power stations, the russian have also offered to do all enrichment too.

So why,why, do they need to be talking to the paki scientist who developed nukes.

I wonder if he was the first to develope hoola hoops in pakistan, would they be interested in him then.

Brian do you need dot to dot books, to get to the truth, how much proof do you need brian.

Hell brian if the iranians give you a guided tour of the nuclear bombs plans, with signs pointing to nuclear bombs, each target individually named on the bomb, washington, new york, israel, you would turn around and still say, so this is a nuclear power station then.

Brian you are a real dingo,
i just wish it snatched you at Aires Rock, in that well known australian fairy tale.

Still, it would be a terrible idea to nuke Iran. Shiites in Iraq would be furious, Iran could strike Israel with conventional weapons, and it would be the first use of nuclear weapons since WWII which would outcast the US from the international community.

It is probable that Iran is using our debacle in Iraq as cover to develop their own nukes, but I don't see any solution other than diplomacy.

Yep your Fucked .

Right my source is from 5 months ago from the IAEA , and this clown on page one of this thread gives a link from 2003 .All those links are current ie: 2005 to 2006 and pacifically state that Iran does not and is not pursuiing an atomic weapons programme .

"Pacifically" state? But of course, the CNN thread postdates those links, and my coup-de-grace link was from the first of February 2006 where the IAEA said:

"Iran's many failures of its obligations ... constitute noncompliance"

No morris dancer your link is an IAEA document of " Implementation of the NPT safeguards agreement in the Islamic Republic of Iran " it is about safety standards and documentaion . Not an indictment of Iranian illegality , now could you provide a link which corroborates your claim .

Ah, but avoiding safeguards and failing to document possession or usage is illegality (see above). By comparison, could I then avoid telling the government about part of my salary this year? After all, all I'd be doing is failing to report it. It's not as though I'm going to do anything illegal with it, right? I mean, I guess I might be. But it's not as though the evasion of accounting for things is a crime, or indicative of crime, is it?

I mean, it's not as though someone like...I don't know...Al Capone, maybe...was ever imprisoned for something like that.

Could stop Fucking around and start providing .

Best take that comment to your significant other and leave me out of the argument. I hate domestic disputes.

In any event, I am providing. We dealt with the whole issue on the Iranian thread, where your only defense was to turn turtle. The IAEA are on my side, Foley, not yours. That was your benchmark; your benchmark let you fall down and hurt your ego. Too bad.

Strange on this thread you assured me that Iran was indeed seeking an Atomic weapon .

Was indeed or very likely was? Different things, Foley. Considering that Iran wants to "wipe Israel from the map" it makes me very skeptical of their claims. The evidence mounts and all you can do is whine about ancient history. You saw for yourself - if you even dared click the link - in your thread on CNN that the IAEA had come around to my position. Not really refutable, Foley. Bye-bye now.

(It's funny how because the link has expired he thinks he can get away with pretending it didn't exist...as if I made up the link previously, and all the text, and the comments too. :D Still get a chuckle out of that.)

You are once again contradicting yourself , you have a habit of doing this .

It's funny, but I find myself wholly indifferent to the claims of a verifiable lunatic.

Somewhere in England a Morris dancing Troupe is missing its village Idiot .

I note that Morris dancing is an ancient folk dance dating from the 15th century.

Dwarf tossing is of modern Australian invention.

I'll let you decide what seems more ludicrous.

Geoff

Gesundheit? Heh, typical. Try and use humor to sideskirt the issue of having your claims refuted in regards to the so-called innocence of Israel.

Is there a bug going around that attacks people's senses of humour?

In all seriousness, I know (and thankyou Funk) who Mordechai bloody Vanunu is. But I'm afraid that under the strict confines of Foleyan logic that his so-called "evidence" simply doesn't stack up. After all - and I hate to have to remind you - Israel said they don't have nukes, and we must (under Foleyan logic) accept them at their word.

Similarly, if I were to say that you were a mealy-mouthed hangers-on, I'm afraid that would have to be accepted, too. :(

Geoff
Indomitable All-Knower and All-Around Great Person

Still, it would be a terrible idea to nuke Iran.

Agreed.

Geoff

i say!
this geoffp has the reasoning skills of a retard

Still, it would be a terrible idea to nuke Iran. Shiites in Iraq would be furious, Iran could strike Israel with conventional weapons, and it would be the first use of nuclear weapons since WWII which would outcast the US from the international community.

It is probable that Iran is using our debacle in Iraq as cover to develop their own nukes, but I don't see any solution other than diplomacy.


Spider,
diplomacy? it dont work, it takes the united nations a year to decide what colour toilet paper to use in the toilets the following year.

You forget 2 important things about the united nations china & russia, they will always stop sanctions coming into effect if it helps america or its just doing the right thing.

classic examples, burma, zimbabwe america has been pressing for sanctions for these 2 loony countries, guess what china & russia says no.

If there is a despot or loony country out there they can always count on russia or china's vote in the UN.

Good old mugabe went to china last year for a cash handout, he new china being america's enemy would take his side no matter what mass murders he commits in zimbabwe.

As long as china & russia have permanent seats on the un council, along with america, the uk , & froggy france, the united nations will always be nothing but a talking shop.

So after decades of talking over iran, eventually they will get nukes what then?
do we hope the iranian leaders will eventually develope a brain?


Spider who is buiding the nuke stations in iran russia, who give the north koreans nuclear secrets russia and china, is it a coincident they are both enemies of america.

Let me ask you this in a un-diplomatic world, america says to china & russia for every nuke north korea or iran sends to america, we will send equal nukes to your countries, would china & russia be so quick to encourage these loonies then?

If america is bombed by nukes, it will allow china or russia to try to be the worlds power, which is what they both want, or why else would they be supporting all america's enemies?

i say!
this geoffp has the reasoning skills of a retard

I say!

I remember you! You're the illiterate who hates Brits!

Geoff

So if diplomacy doesn't work, the only alternatives are to wait and see what happens, or start WWIII, maybe that's the Bush plan all along.

maybe? (http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060417fa_fact)
if he can, he will
i say, yes. the sooner the better. do not give the iranians room to backdown

the midterm elections will see the house go to the democrats and they will start impeachment proceedings. it is essential to bush's survival that a new war be started

www 3?
why?
jihaadists exploding bombs in crowded places hardly consists a world war

So if diplomacy doesn't work, the only alternatives are to wait and see what happens, or start WWIII, maybe that's the Bush plan all along.

Any fight with a muslim country is not going to start world war 3, china & russia has no interest in muslim countries other than to arm them to fight america, sort of doing there dirty work.

Hey i would be very dissapointed if the uk allowed iran to develope nukes, we cant blame bush all the time, its basic common sense you cant let loonies like iran develope nukes, fuck me north korea has blackmailed billions out of the west over there nuke games, imagine the fun the iranians will have.

The north koreans are not driven by religous fucking mad ideas, they know went to back down.

Iran does not they are on a mission from god to kill the great satan america, and israel, how do you talk to fucking loonies like that, there basket cases, with a ribbon on top...........

of course, i really do not see how and why an iranian war should impede an impeachment

Iran does not they are on a mission from god to kill the great satan america, and israel, how do you talk to fucking loonies like that, there basket cases, with a ribbon on top...........

the ayotollah has the last word. he aint that much of a loon

I say!

I remember you! You're the illiterate who hates Brits!

Geoff

so ahh...you british then?

NPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty#Parties_to_the_treaty)

Since very few of the nuclear weapons states and states using nuclear reactions for energy generation are willing to completely abandon possession of nuclear fuel, the third pillar of the NPT provides other states with the possibility to do the same, but under conditions intended to make it difficult to develop nuclear weapons.

For some states, this third pillar of the NPT, which allows uranium enrichment for fuel reasons, seems to be a major loophole. However the treaty gives every state the inalienable right to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, and as the commercially popular light water reactor nuclear power station designs use enriched uranium fuel, it follows that states must be allowed to enrich uranium or purchase it on an international market. Peaceful uranium enrichment can arguably be considered a small step away from developing nuclear warheads, and this can be done by withdrawing from the NPT. No state is known to have successfully constructed a nuclear weapon in secret while subjected to NPT inspection. However, according to many sources, Israel has succeeded in developing over two hundred nuclear warheads without having been questioned or investigated by the UN Security Council.

Iran is a signatory state of the NPT and has recently as of 2006 resumed development of its uranium enrichment program, obstensibly for its civilian nuclear energy program, as it is entitled to do under the terms of the NPT. It has been accused of reactivating this program to covertly develop an independent nuclear weapon program by the United States and European Union, in violation of the NPT. There has been some concern over the possibility of a nuclear armed Iranian state, with specific anxieties raised after controversial remarks made by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad about the state of Israel [12].Iran remains under investigation by the International Atomic Energy Agency, who have currently presented no evidence of a nuclear weapons program.

Some argue that Iran's extensive oil and gas reserves cast doubt on the economic viability of purely civilian nuclear power. [citation needed] However modern economic theory holds that the relevant consideration is the "opportunity cost" of oil. The argument is that by burning oil internally, Iran must forgo revenue that would have come from selling the oil. Under this analysis Iran faces essentially the same choice in its oil-use decisions as an oil importer. In addition, some in Iran contend that the state is simply looking for alternative fuel sources, given that most estimates suggest that oil will be exhausted within 100 years.

In addition, some in Iran contend that the state is simply looking for alternative fuel sources, given that most estimates suggest that oil will be exhausted within 100 years.

who knows? could be 100 could be 500. if it were 100 Iran could setup nuclear power 75 years from now and have plenty of time to spare given that nuclear power is a known technology.


Duendy,

i've never even been to southern U.S, i think thats what you were alluding to :)...and rednecks dont drink gin, only moonshine.

so ahh...you british then?

I dunno; do you hate me?

Geoff

NPT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Non-Proliferation_Treaty#Parties_to_the_treaty)

Since very few of the nuclear weapons states and states using nuclear reactions for energy generation are willing to completely abandon possession of nuclear fuel, the third pillar of the NPT provides other states with the possibility to do the same, but under conditions intended to make it difficult to develop nuclear weapons.

For some states, this third pillar of the NPT, which allows uranium enrichment for fuel reasons, seems to be a major loophole. However the treaty gives every state the inalienable right to use nuclear energy for peaceful purposes, and as the commercially popular light water reactor nuclear power station designs use enriched uranium fuel, it follows that states must be allowed to enrich uranium or purchase it on an international market. Peaceful uranium enrichment can arguably be considered a small step away from developing nuclear warheads, and this can be done by withdrawing from the NPT. No state is known to have successfully constructed a nuclear weapon in secret while subjected to NPT inspection. However, according to many sources, Israel has succeeded in developing over two hundred nuclear warheads without having been questioned or investigated by the UN Security Council.

Iran is a signatory state of the NPT and has recently as of 2006 resumed development of its uranium enrichment program, obstensibly for its civilian nuclear energy program, as it is entitled to do under the terms of the NPT. It has been accused of reactivating this program to covertly develop an independent nuclear weapon program by the United States and European Union, in violation of the NPT. There has been some concern over the possibility of a nuclear armed Iranian state, with specific anxieties raised after controversial remarks made by Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad about the state of Israel [12].Iran remains under investigation by the International Atomic Energy Agency, who have currently presented no evidence of a nuclear weapons program.

Some argue that Iran's extensive oil and gas reserves cast doubt on the economic viability of purely civilian nuclear power. [citation needed] However modern economic theory holds that the relevant consideration is the "opportunity cost" of oil. The argument is that by burning oil internally, Iran must forgo revenue that would have come from selling the oil. Under this analysis Iran faces essentially the same choice in its oil-use decisions as an oil importer. In addition, some in Iran contend that the state is simply looking for alternative fuel sources, given that most estimates suggest that oil will be exhausted within 100 years.


Iran has no interest in nuclear energy, why else would they be talking to the paki scientist who developed nukes for pakistan, the same guy who supplied north korea with nukes & the same guy who offered libya nukes facts, & the same guy who is under house arrest in pakistan, because he is offering his nuclear weapons secrets to every tom, dick, and harry with a million dollars in there pocket.

The question is the sanity of irans leaders, is it sane to fly a 30 metre square flag of down with america, with bombs falling on america, over the state highway, they have been flying this flag for over 20 years.

Do you think nukes in there hands will make the world safer?

The same country that hangs teenagers, because hey they might be gay, more like a adult muslim try to molest them, got turned down, then he reports them to the religous police for being gay, goodbye young boys.

I am just puzzeled how anyone in this world can think iran is not a insane country, that flag alone is proof of the disease running that country.

Even hitler in all his glory would never have had a flag flying over the highway like that, iran does not hide its insanity, the question is do you chose to see it?

But I'm afraid that under the strict confines of Foleyan logic that his so-called "evidence" simply doesn't stack up. After all - and I hate to have to remind you - Israel said they don't have nukes, and we must (under Foleyan logic) accept them at their word.

The Yom Kippur War threats of 1973 removed all credibility of Israel being able to claim they have no nukes.

- N

The argument is that by burning oil internally, Iran must forgo revenue that would have come from selling the oil.
They could also keep it to sell later, when supplies are low and prices are higher.

http://www.kunstler.com/mags_diary17.html

Proof?
Israel Threatens Iran Over Nuclear Research (http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,2144,1864693,00.html)
Israel was taking advantage Sunday of the growing international pressure on arch enemy Iran to dangle the threat of pre-emptive action to stop Iran's nuclear program in its tracks.
How so?
Report: Israel pressuring U.S. over Iran attack (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?ID=4380)
Are you serious? What about the US, Russia, China, France, Great Britain, Pakistan, India...
I meant in the mideast .
Ah. So, it's just your old anti-Semitism flaring up again, and that's why you mentioned Israel. Ok, just had to be clear on that.
This from an Asshole who thinks Geoff is the greatest debater on sciforums ! Fuck :)
When applied anything other than the endorsed Foley viewpoint, it becomes quite apparent (by the multitude of contradictions) that such logic isn't worth the rise in entropy it took Foley to dream it up.
Where have I contradicted myself ? Show me .
m tired of you rants you tirads

Then dont read my rants and tirades .
Brian do you need dot to dot books, to get to the truth, how much proof do you need brian.
I really have no problem with Iran developing an Atomic Weapon , I believe Iran should develop a Atomic Arsenal that way the mideast can push the Israeli threat into redundancy into and stop American aggression .
The IAEA are on my side, Foley, not yours. That was your benchmark; your benchmark let you fall down and hurt your ego. Too bad.
The IAEA is not on your side in fact the IAEA has never made any accusation towards Iran that concerns Atomic weapons manufacture .
IAEA tells US to bug off! (http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2006/03/iaea-tells-us-to-bug-off.html)
IAEA chief says Iran dispute is not ‘crisis situation’ (https://registration.ft.com/registration/barrier?referer=http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wrhmt/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=1&search=iaea&x=0&y=0&location=http%3A//news.ft.com/cms/s/3c36f4a6-93e6-11da-82ea-0000779e2340.html)
UN Nuclear Watchdog Satisfied With Russia-Iran Nuclear Cooperation (http://www.mosnews.com/news/2005/11/05/iaeairanrus.shtml)
You saw for yourself - if you even dared click the link - in your thread on CNN that the IAEA had come around to my position. Not really refutable, Foley. Bye-bye now.
the IAEA is proceeding with an investigation of Irans nuclear facilities at Americas behest .
(It's funny how because the link has expired he thinks he can get away with pretending it didn't exist...as if I made up the link previously, and all the text, and the comments too. :D Still get a chuckle out of that.)
Could you provide me with a link that works .
It's funny, but I find myself wholly indifferent to the claims of a verifiable lunatic.
No Geoff you simply chop and change your views to suit your argument on one thread you state Iran is developing Atomic weapons and here you taking a contradictory stance . Same as the Jews were a race and then you change your mind and Jews werent a race .

I really have no problem with Iran developing an Atomic Weapon , I believe Iran should develop a Atomic Arsenal that way the mideast can push the Israeli threat into redundancy into and stop American aggression .
Really? You do know that Israel would never let that happen. Also Mahmoud Ahmedinejad said he would wipe Israel off the map, so why wouldn't he be contructing the means to do so?

The Yom Kippur War threats of 1973 removed all credibility of Israel being able to claim they have no nukes.

- N

/Foleyan logic on

Well, they didn't admit they had them, did they? They just threatened with them etc. They didn't actually say they had any.

/Foleyan logic off

...what happened? Did I pass out?

Geoff

The IAEA is not on your side in fact the IAEA has never made any accusation towards Iran that concerns Atomic weapons manufacture .

Yep, they sure are, they censured Iran for their failures to comply with NPT (NPT - yeah you know me!).

the IAEA is proceeding with an investigation of Irans nuclear facilities at Americas behest .

Oh, so you DO admit that Iran is in violation - finally, a Foley that admits something. I'll have to write this one down in my journal next to the "Judas Gospel" under "Significant Events, April 2006".

Could you provide me with a link that works .

It worked before, and don't pretend you don't know that, because you visited the site. News sites time out, you know? Like your train of thought, they are impermanent.

Ugh. Pathetic. Sad. Very, very sad. It makes me sad, it's so sad.

No Geoff you simply chop and change your views to suit your argument on one thread you state Iran is developing Atomic weapons and here you taking a contradictory stance . Same as the Jews were a race and then you change your mind and Jews werent a race .

I think you mean yourself with that last bit - first Jews weren't a race (when it suited your arguement) then they were so that you could accuse them of racism. Both times I blew you out of the water; once by trashing your Khazar argument and the associated arguments and then the second time when you refused to acknowledge my answers. Before that, I blasted you on the CNN thread with the info on the docs, and now here with the materials misreporting.

The question really is: when are you going to win one? When's it gonna be your time?

There's no contradiction either in my perspective on Iran's trying to get nukes - they've violated the NPT, they've taken documentation related to weapons research - and I still think they'd get nukes in a second if the attention were off. You yourself admit you think they should have them, and they want to destroy Israel. Why woudn't they try to get them?

I guess it must be because they have such an enlightened, top of the 8th-century government.

That hangs abused children and gay people.

Geoff

Does the world inspect Americ's nuclear arsenal and program?

Don't they police themselves? I don't think they're increasing the number of warheads, and if they are they should stop. It's kind of a moot point anyway - they already have enough to flatten the earth and kill all life, so I doubt it matters too much. Same goes for the Russians, the Chinese, the Brits and the French. No one is inspecting them either, I'd imagine.

Geoff

Iran has no interest in nuclear energy, why else would they be talking to the paki scientist who developed nukes for pakistan, the same guy who supplied north korea with nukes & the same guy who offered libya nukes facts, & the same guy who is under house arrest in pakistan, because he is offering his nuclear weapons secrets to every tom, dick, and harry with a million dollars in there pocket.

The question is the sanity of irans leaders, is it sane to fly a 30 metre square flag of down with america, with bombs falling on america, over the state highway, they have been flying this flag for over 20 years.

Do you think nukes in there hands will make the world safer?

The same country that hangs teenagers, because hey they might be gay, more like a adult muslim try to molest them, got turned down, then he reports them to the religous police for being gay, goodbye young boys.

I am just puzzeled how anyone in this world can think iran is not a insane country, that flag alone is proof of the disease running that country.

Even hitler in all his glory would never have had a flag flying over the highway like that, iran does not hide its insanity, the question is do you chose to see it?

Vincent, how do you know? Really? Do you have some inside information about them wanting nukes or is it the same information we all have, namely the media?

Too be honest, I'd expect them to have and make them. I pretty much expect every country on the planet to produce nukes. When you have the worlds only super power stating that they have the right to strike any country they feel is against them [you're either with us or against us], and your country is one of those slated for US statehood [forced of course] then protection is you number one goal. If nukes will do the job, then so be it. I personally feel that if Iran had nukes, it would be for defense only but that may matter zip...

Iran ready for high-level talks, US resists
By Guy Dinmore
Published: April 7 2006 01:35 | Last updated: April 7 2006 01:35 (https://registration.ft.com/registration/barrier?referer=http://nuclearfree.lynx.co.nz/USPropagandaPolicy.htm&location=http%3A//news.ft.com/cms/s/76a939b6-c5bc-11da-b675-0000779e2340.html)

The countdown to war (http://www.opendemocracy.net/conflict/countdown_3426.jsp)
Moreover, Washington now declares Iran to be the main state sponsor of terrorism, just as it targeted Saddam Hussein's Iraq in 2002; it makes repeated claims of Iranian interference in the Iraq war; and – perhaps the most significant element of the rhetorical assault – says that Iran's uranium-enrichment research is approaching a point of no return within a matter of months.

Bush & Blair Planned to Create Justification for
Their Illegal War on Iraq (http://nuclearfree.lynx.co.nz/noevidence.htm)

War Against Iran, April 2006
Biological Threat and Executive Order 13292
by Jorge Hirsch (http://www.antiwar.com/orig/hirsch.php?articleid=8788)

Does the world inspect Americ's nuclear arsenal and program?


It's supose to but the United States and Israel have refuse to allow inspection of it nukes and bio weapons. [of course Israel denys having nukes]

Really? You do know that Israel would never let that happen.
Fuck Israel ! Who are they ? Israel is the nation that is the unstabilising presence in that region . Israel is a non-entity of a nation consisting of 5 million inhabitants that has be heavily subsidized in order to survive . Since its inception in 1948 the US taxpayer has forked out $1 trillion to Israel Iran is a nation of 60 million people and is a very important economic player to the US , EU , Russia , Japan and China as evidenced by the current bickering . Also Iran is strategically important and Iran is the main nation of the mideast , so why should some shithole like Israel have the ability to have sway over such an important nation such as Iran ?
Also Mahmoud Ahmedinejad said he would wipe Israel off the map,
That was after Israel had threatened airstrikes on Iran , see my earlier post on here to funkstar for the link .
And speaking of megalomania why doesn’t this comment from an actual documented mass murderer and a war criminal with international arrest warrants for him to stand trial at the Hague raise concern ?. This comment from Sharon implies Israeli impunity to act without restraint .
Sharon to Peres: "Don't worry about American pressure; we control America" (http://www.washington-report.org/html/newsitem_s.htm)
An acrimonious argument erupted during the Israeli cabinet weekly
session last week between Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and
his foreign Minister Shimon Peres during which Sharon reportedly
yelled at Peres, saying "don't worry about American pressure, we
control America."
so why wouldn't he be contructing the means to do so?
I keep asking several posters who like yourself to show actual proof or where America has actually announced that Iran is actively pursuing an Atomic weapons programme . All it is sheer unfounded speculation based on intelligence which cannot be corroborated and information from the EU and the IEAE as well as Russia which contradicts Americas assertions .

The Yom Kippur War threats of 1973 removed all credibility of Israel being able to claim they have no nukes.

- N
Sources?

I've heard of the alleged threats made in various pieces of fiction, but have never been able to verify that there's historical basis for it...

After all - and I hate to have to remind you - Israel said they don't have nukes, and we must (under Foleyan logic) accept them at their word.
To be fair, Israeli policy on the subject is one of deliberate silence.

Yep, they sure are, they censured Iran for their failures to comply with NPT (NPT - yeah you know me!).
No you clearly claimed the IAEA has come out supporting your stance over Irans supposed Atomic weapons programme , in fact the IAEA has not made an indictment against Iran that implicates Iran in a covert Atomic Weapons programme .
Oh, so you DO admit that Iran is in violation - finally, a Foley that admits something. I'll have to write this one down in my journal next to the "Judas Gospel" under "Significant Events, April 2006".
Again your are deliberately avoiding having to answer the question . The IAEA had in 2005 found no evidence that Iran was pursuing a clandestine Atomic weapons programme . This current IAEA investigation is at Americas behest , meaning thje IAEA is simply reconducting the investigation , and will publish the same findings .
It worked before, and don't pretend you don't know that, because you visited the site. News sites time out, you know? Like your train of thought, they are impermanent.

Ugh. Pathetic. Sad. Very, very sad. It makes me sad, it's so sad.
I don’t believe this prick , all you have do is google the news story as several media outlets carry the story . No I would like to see that story ,go on get to it ! hurry up google !
Both times I blew you out of the water; once by trashing your Khazar argument and the associated arguments and then the second time when you refused to acknowledge my answers.
We are still waiting on your promise of this :
Done and done. New update tomorrow on why you're even wronger than you know.

Don't be sad though - everyone screws up sometimes.

Geoff
Before that, I blasted you on the CNN thread with the info on the docs, and now here with the materials misreporting.
Blasted what ? I am still waiting for you to provide sources to back your claim .
But on that thread 2 posters voluntarily gave their opinions to how the debate was going :
Well, it seems to me Geoff is avoiding the issue and is instead just arguing with you. If this were an official debate, it would have been called off 2 pages ago. Instead of addressing the issues you raise that are backed up by some evidence, he is instead responding to your opinions. Admittedly your opinions are radical and just plain ignorant, but you still bring up valid points. I would say Geoff is losing this one.
I agree, however he has provided evidence backed by all the related and necessary agencies that show Iran does not currently have any nuclear weapons program. Those same agencies have also corraborated Iran's explainations of certain discrepencies such as the uranium traces on centrifuges.
But he's already given proof (if you can call it that as there's no way to prove the non-existance of something) of Iran not developing any nuclear weapons from the words of the IAEA, etc. That's much better than the only things that says Iran *is* developing nukes, are all mere "fears", "suspects", etc.
You lost on all accounts in that thread on the Jewish race thread and here .
There's no contradiction either in my perspective on Iran's trying to get nukes - they've violated the NPT, they've taken documentation related to weapons research - and I still think they'd get nukes in a second if the attention were off. You yourself admit you think they should have them, and they want to destroy Israel. Why woudn't they try to get them?
You are Fucked in the head here you are blatantly contradicting yourself , game over you lose again .

Where have I contradicted myself ? Show me .

The problem wasn't contradiction in your own position (though you're hardly the most rational of creatures), the point was that your tendency to believe statements on nothing but their own merit (as when Iran says they don't have nuclear weapons aspirations) is a thoroughly silly way to discern truth, as demonstrated when applied to statements that contradict your view.

It's supose to but the United States and Israel have refuse to allow inspection of it nukes and bio weapons.

Israel isn't a signatory to the NPT, and thus aren't bound by it.

[of course Israel denys having nukes]
No, they don't. They deliberately have no official stance on the subject.

No you clearly claimed the IAEA has come out supporting your stance over Irans supposed Atomic weapons programme , in fact the IAEA has not made an indictment against Iran that implicates Iran in a covert Atomic Weapons programme .

Iran's in violation. You wanted to know if they ever broke any international laws. They did. They're investigating Iran. Seems they feel exactly the same about Iran's intentions as I do.

Again your are deliberately avoiding having to answer the question . The IAEA had in 2005 found no evidence that Iran was pursuing a clandestine Atomic weapons programme .

And in 2006 they think that Iran might very well have been trying to do that. You've still never explained why they had those weapons-related documents, or where that fissile material went. So now they back me.

I don’t believe this prick , all you have do is google the news story as several media outlets carry the story . No I would like to see that story ,go on get to it ! hurry up google !

The news story, though only a couple of months old, is gone. You've already seen the bloody story, you little liar; you whined about it enough on the CNN thread at the time, when you weren't ducking and covering.

We are still waiting on your promise of this :

Red herring. Keep waiting; in the meantime, you can answer up about why you were wrong on Iran. And Judaic genetic origins (both threads). Oh and the killings about the cartoons! (Ever hear of Africa? It's a continent to the west of you.)

You lost on all accounts in that thread on the Jewish race thread and here .

Wrong again, Foley. You're no geneticist and you don't seem much better a political observer (and show me where I said they "currently" had any nukes). But go on: show me how I lost the argument. Go on. Don't be scared. You were utterly wiped out. Want to start it up again? Fine by me! :D

Geoff

The problem wasn't contradiction in your own position (though you're hardly the most rational of creatures), the point was that your tendency to believe statements on nothing but their own merit (as when Iran says they don't have nuclear weapons aspirations) is a thoroughly silly way to discern truth, as demonstrated when applied to statements that contradict your view.

I like you. I wish I had a way with words like you.

Fuck Israel !
Brian, I know you hate Israel, that's not the point. As soon as Israel realizes what's going on in Iran, and the US doesn't do anything, they are likely to attack pre-emptively. They are a small country that cannot afford to let threats build up.

All it is sheer unfounded speculation based on intelligence which cannot be corroborated...
It is consistent with their desires and technological capability, so it is at least realistic to consider.

I like you. I wish I had a way with words like you.

What, Funkstar good with words, Geoff no good with words?!

Geoff hurt. Like ice cream melting, all inside.

Geoff

The problem wasn't contradiction in your own position (though you're hardly the most rational of creatures),
The idiot fest begins .
the point was that your tendency to believe statements on nothing but their own merit (as when Iran says they don't have nuclear weapons aspirations) is a thoroughly silly way to discern truth, as demonstrated when applied to statements that contradict your view.
Okay so could you show me what statements were provided that have contradicted my stance and proven it wrong . Could show me where a world leader other than some crackpot Israeli has actually said that Irans leaders are wanting nuclear weapons . Do it I expect you to back your mouth up here . I want you to enter this debate with me fully and don’t run like the last time and give me some bullshit excuse that you don’t have anytime . Iran's in violation. You wanted to know if they ever broke any international laws. They did. They're investigating Iran. Seems they feel exactly the same about Iran's intentions as I do.
OK so from this IAEA investigation into Iran’s activities what has the IAEA uncovered that they have accused or charged Iran with that has broken international laws .
And in 2006 they think that Iran might very well have been trying to do that.
Ok so show me the link that you claim exists that the IAEA has accused Iran of pursuing Atomic Weapons .
You've still never explained why they had those weapons-related documents, or where that fissile material went. So now they back me.
Yes I did I explained in depth here for you .
CNN caught Lying and thrown out of Iran (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=51540&page=7&pp=20)
Of course you are very selective in what you choose to present from the story , you forgot to add that the final IAEA analysis was this . Note the words from your source “IAEA inquiry has not found firm evidence” . First mention of the documents linked to constructing a nuclear warhead was made last year in a longer IAEA report. At that time, the agency said only that they showed how to cast "enriched, natural and depleted uranium metal into hemispherical forms." In the brief report obtained Tuesday, however, the agency said bluntly the 15 pages of text and drawings showing how to cast fissile uranium into metal were "related to the fabrication of nuclear weapon components." This relates to the documents about nuclear weaponery Iran has claimed it did not ask for the documents but received them anyway as part of other black market purchases. That is what Iran says . So we now go to the fuller original story below to get a better explanation . Iran Reportedly Holds Illicit Nuke Papers ( http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,,-5584631,00.html)While diplomats familiar with the agency probe into Iran's nuclear program, speaking anonymously, said at the time that the papers apparently were instructions on how to mold highly enriched uranium into the core of warheads, the agency itself refused to make a judgment on what possible uses such casts would have. Asked about the finding, a senior diplomat close to the IAEA declined to elaborate but emphasized that the documents had no other use. He demanded anonymity in exchange for discussing confidential information. So the IAEA has had these documents for some time and had refused to make any judgement on them . The documents in question were given to Iran by members of the nuclear black market network, the IAEA said. Iran has claimed it did not ask for the documents but was given them anyway as part of other black market purchases. So the IAEA here is fully aware where Iran got this paperwork from . The papers were shown for perusal as part of unrelated documents, leading to speculation among diplomats accredited to the IAEA that Iran had revealed them in error. And here Iran had handed them freely over for inspection , Iran received this paperwork innocently as part of this purchase , something the IAEA knew about .. The same network provided Libya with drawings of a crude nuclear bomb which that country handed over to the IAEA as part of its 2003 decision to scrap its atomic weapons program. And here the IAEA admits knowledge of this blackmarket nuclear network . So why isnt the IAEA identifying which country of origin this blackmarket nuclear network and the IAEA has not made any official statement that Iran did deliberately purchase these files ?

The news story, though only a couple of months old, is gone. You've already seen the bloody story, you little liar; you whined about it enough on the CNN thread at the time, when you weren't ducking and covering.
You’re a liar you put that bogus link that link there thinking I wouldn’t bother reading it .
Red herring.
Explain why Quarkmoon and Neildo would voluntarily interject and say you were losing the debate because I could provide sources to back myself up whereas you couldn’t .

The idiot fest begins .


it started here:


http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=53959&page=1&pp=20

;)

aaannnnddd heay:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=53921 :o

What, Funkstar good with words, Geoff no good with words?!

Geoff hurt. Like ice cream melting, all inside.

Geoff

No worries mate, I like you too.. you use words sometimes that my altruism wont allow me to. :D

Besides your heart is too cold to be melting.

it started here:http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=53959&page=1&pp=20

;)

aaannnnddd heay:

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=53921 :o
Sorry mate , this from a poster whose sole thread here " Did the U.S create the internet? " garnered 4 replies 2 from JamesR and 2 from himself Yeah the idiot fest ended with you ;)
No worries mate, I like you too..
Geoff is also a Morris Dancer and seeing you are also English , would you be by any chane a Maypole dancer , a match made in village idiot heaven hahahahahahaha .

Okay so could you show me what statements were provided that have contradicted my stance and proven it wrong . Could show me where a world leader other than some crackpot Israeli has actually said that Irans leaders are wanting nuclear weapons .

How about this link?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/12/iran.nuclear/index.html

But several Western countries fear Tehran is intent on developing a nuclear bomb.

Foreign ministers from the European Union's three biggest nations -- the so-called EU3 -- met Thursday following Iran's moves to restart its nuclear program.

"Our talks with Iran have reached a dead end," German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier told reporters after meeting with his British and French counterparts, Jack Straw and Philippe Douste-Blazy, and EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana.

Or this one?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/16/world/main1210064.shtml

"World Leaders Agree No Nukes For Iran"

(AP) Moscow and Beijing joined the U.S. and its European allies in demanding Monday that Iran fully suspend its nuclear program...

Or this one?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/17/olmert.iran/index.html

Germans mentioned there for starters.

"Iran's announcement that it would restart its nuclear program has prompted Britain, France and Germany to call for an emergency meeting next month of the U.N.'s International Atomic Energy Agency. Iran had been following a two-year suspension while it conducted talks with the European countries.".

Or this one?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4378948.stm

"The White House said the comment showed the US was right to be concerned about Iran's nuclear programme.

But why would they worry?

"As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," he said, referring to Iran's late revolutionary leader, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.

In 2001, former Iranian president Hashemi Rafsanjani speculated that a Muslim state that developed a nuclear weapon might use it to destroy Israel."

Oh. Yeah.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0%2C8599%2C430649%2C00.html

"Sources tell Time the IAEA has concluded that Iran actually introduced uranium hexafluoride gas into some centrifuges at an undisclosed location to test their ability to work. That would be a blatant violation of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, to which Iran is a signatory."

"U.S. officials have said repeatedly they believe Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons."

"If those countries didn't have much incentive or motivation before, they certainly did after the Axis of Evil statement," says one western diplomat familiar with the Iranian and North Korean programs. "

....

Or maybe you could find one world leader that says they don't want to produce weapons, Foley? Heloooo?

*crickets chirping*

....

OK so from this IAEA investigation into Iran’s activities what has the IAEA uncovered that they have accused or charged Iran with that has broken international laws .

Staring at computer screens seems to be making you blind. They failed to report usage, concealed materials and obtained documents for the construction of a nuclear device.

Or, more simply, they-no-tell-what-do-with-uranium-and-get-drawings-for-big-mean-bomb. That-bad. IAEA-not-like.

Ok so show me the link that you claim exists that the IAEA has accused Iran of pursuing Atomic Weapons .

Ah, that would be the one where they found the docs. Why else exactly would they comment on it? "Oh, yes, Iran has some weapons documentation; but we're certain it only gets used to keep rings off the Ayatollah's coffee table. Don't trouble yourself about it, honestly!"

Yes I did I explained in depth here for you .

Where? Your interpretation was bogus.

"This relates to the documents about nuclear weaponery"

Meaningless.

"So the IAEA has had these documents for some time and had refused to make any judgement on them "

Where does it say how long, and why would that make a damned bit of difference?

"So the IAEA here is fully aware where Iran got this paperwork from ."

Also meaningless. They're aware of where Iran says the paperwork came from, which has what bearing on the case anyway?

"And here Iran had handed them freely over for inspection , Iran received this paperwork innocently as part of this purchase , something the IAEA knew about .."

The link says, you utter toad: "The papers were shown for perusal as part of unrelated documents, leading to speculation among diplomats accredited to the IAEA that Iran had revealed them in error."

You're worse than dense, you actually are a liar. Amazing.

"And here the IAEA admits knowledge of this blackmarket nuclear network . So why isnt the IAEA identifying which country of origin this blackmarket nuclear network and the IAEA has not made any official statement that Iran did deliberately purchase these files ? "

Err, uh, politics? And again: what bearing could this possibly have on the case? Talk about red herring and grasping at straws!

You’re a liar you put that bogus link that link there thinking I wouldn’t bother reading it .

You, Foley, are a bloody liar, and a pathetic one. I'm sure I'm not the first to say it. You comment on it but you didn't read it? So perhaps you're merely ignorant, then.

Explain why Quarkmoon and Neildo would voluntarily interject and say you were losing the debate because I could provide sources to back myself up whereas you couldn’t .

Explain why they never came back when I located that IAEA report.

pwnage

Geoff

How about this link?
Predictable not one link pertains to answering the Fucking question , but I will go through them for the benefit of other posters so they can see how much odf a Fuckwit you are .

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/12/iran.nuclear/index.html
1st link : I am at a loss , no leader said Iran was intent on building an Atomic Bomb or pursuing an Atomic weapons programme .

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/01/16/world/main1210064.shtml
2nd link :No leader said Iran was intent on building an Atomic Bomb or pursuing an Atomic weapons programme .
In fact the news item was very positive towards Iran .
This positive note from the EU
"What we hope is that as a result of this and other diplomatic pressure is that the Iranians will come back to the negotiating table ... and will recognize the good intent of the European three,"
And this positive note from Russia .
In Moscow, Putin said the Iranians had indicated "they did not exclude the implementation of our proposal."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/01/17/olmert.iran/index.html
3rd link :No leader said Iran was intent on building an Atomic Bomb or pursuing an Atomic weapons programme .
"Israeli conservative Likud party leader Benjamin Netanyahu, a possible political rival of Olmert's, said this month that Iranian nuclear weapons would be "dangerous to Israel and dangerous, in fact, to the world.
Yeah well discount this as a serious concern .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4378948.stm
4th link :No leader said Iran was intent on building an Atomic Bomb or pursuing an Atomic weapons programme .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mi...ast/4378948.stm
5th link : Again not even related to the question I asked him in fact the article concludes this :
An International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) report last month said questions about Iran's nuclear programme remained unanswered despite an intensive investigation.
So where is the smoking gun ?

http://www.time.com/time/world/arti...30649%2C00.html
6th link : Again no mention of any world leader saying Iran was intent on building an Atomic Bomb or pursuing an Atomic weapons programme .

Well that was a waste Fucking time .

Or maybe you could find one world leader that says they don't want to produce weapons, Foley? Heloooo?

*crickets chirping*
If no world leader has said Iran is seeking nuclear weapons why bother , and secondly that question was for funstar to answer not you
Where? Your interpretation was bogus.
You claimed falsely I never addressed that report , you said clearly here You've still never explained why they had those weapons-related documents, or where that fissile material went. So now they back me. And i showed you where I addressed it .
You, Foley, are a bloody liar, and a pathetic one. I'm sure I'm not the first to say it. You comment on it but you didn't read it? So perhaps you're merely ignorant, then.
The Link does not exist , Geoff P is telling a LIe here , I have caught him out , very revealing this .

Now you are the LIAR you deliberately told a LIE about me on this thread here :
So what if Jews rule the world? (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=53741)
Good god - first Jews do rule the world, then they don't - which is it you believe, if anything?
And whats more other posters voluntarily have enjoined asking you to back your bullshit up .
Geoff:Ahh, I see. So you CAN'T quote Brian making the claim that Jews ruled the world. Quite revealing...
GeoffP has attributed certain remarks to Brian Foley.
Both Brian Foley and mountainhare have asked GeoffP to cite the examples.
GeoffP has not done so.
I infer that GeoffP can not cite the sources.
And then it was this
and one to the existence of Jews, which are a race.
Then you do a 360
Again, Jews are not a race, Foley.
Your a LIAR pure and simple you contradict yopurself and tell LIES all through sciforums .
Explain why they never came back when I located that IAEA report.
Because you got trounced when you couldnt provide one link to substantiate your assertion of Irans Atomic weapons programme , thats why they left , but not before giving me the accolades of victory .

We make plans all the time. Planning is not doing. We are concerned about Iran developing a nuclear weapon, since there is no practical defense for one. I should point out that you don't know that Iran isn't planning to make a nuke, either.

Well Iran did invite America to help build its generator and/or oversee that they're not enriching uranium. America denied. I wonder why?

Misdirection you say? Maybe, but had America been trying to prevent war, they'd have accepted rather than let Iran continue with its real/not real program.

Israel isn't a signatory to the NPT, and thus aren't bound by it.

Then for the sake of survival, Iran should drop out of the NPT, develop a nuclear arsenal the equivalent of Israelis non-nukes and keep there mouths shut about what they have until attacked. It's only fair.

If some crazy deranged dude was saying he was gonna attack me with a gun and no one was coming to my aid then I have no choice but to get a gun also. Better safe than sorry.

Then for the sake of survival, Iran should drop out of the NPT, develop a nuclear arsenal the equivalent of Israelis non-nukes and keep there mouths shut about what they have until attacked. It's only fair.

Except, of course, that the world isn't fair like that, and a good thing, too. Because that means that there's still a more peaceful way out then having to reduce significant parts of ancient Persia to smoldering cinders. Which would, y'know, be sort of a shame.

If Iran were to extract themselves from the NPT, it would be a sure sign of their nuclear ambition. That cannot be allowed. Yes, I know that I'm dictating different terms for different countries, but that is as it must be. Crazy mullahs in Tehran with nukes are a potentially much, much worse situation than Israel having them. And that's really all there is to it.

If some crazy deranged dude was saying he was gonna attack me with a gun and no one was coming to my aid then I have no choice but to get a gun also. Better safe than sorry.
Better yet, deny him access to a gun. That way you don't need to get into a gun-fight at all. Yes, I know that you think the "crazy deranged dude" is Israel, but the analogy doesn't hold: Israel has had nuclear weapons (or have they ;)) for a long time now, and hasn't used them.

I know another Foley, and he's as much of a dickhead thinker as you are, google, nazi communist radical islam connection, and then tell me who is the more dangerous to world peace, also cheek out the SS Skandebeg Divison, and SS Handschar Divison, a lot of scary conections here!

Okay so could you show me what statements were provided that have contradicted my stance and proven it wrong . Could show me where a world leader other than some crackpot Israeli has actually said that Irans leaders are wanting nuclear weapons.

See, that's the thing. I don't need to. The whole point was that you can't take everything at face value, because that obviously won't get you the truth.

"Some crackpot Israeli" is all that's needed to show that your approach doesn't work.

Let me cut it out in cardboard for you: When Ahmadinejad says that Iran doesn't have plans to build nuclear weapons, that in itself is not proof that Iran doesn't have plans to build nuclear weapons.

So, in order to build an argument that Iran "really" doesn't have plans to build nuclear weapons, you need to do some supplementary work: Source critique, credibility studies, historical parrallels, etc. You know, an "argument". Which, by the way, isn't helped by your insistence that it would be wise for Iran to actually build nukes (trust me - they may be crazy, but any argument you could possibly think of has been thought out by far smarter people in Teheran already), seeing as that undermines your stance slightly.

Do it I expect you to back your mouth up here . I want you to enter this debate with me fully and don’t run like the last time and give me some bullshit excuse that you don’t have anytime .

Done. Repeatedly. Oh, and for the record: Proving myself to a random lunatic who wants to play intellectual tennis without a net on an internet forum isn't high on my list of priorities. So, another time you have a request that you "expect" me to respond to, and "want" me to do: Please don't hesitate to go buy yourself a tall drink of Go Fuck Yourself, Sunshine. On my tab, of course.

This concludeth the lesson.

Predictable not one link pertains to answering the Fucking question

:rolleyes: None so blind as will not see.

1st link : I am at a loss , no leader said Iran was intent on building an Atomic Bomb or pursuing an Atomic weapons programme .

Indeed, that explains perfectly why they're censuring them and all the diplomatic fuss. In fact, if those diplomats have been misquoted, maybe they should have contacte