The US is Being Oppressed!

The penny has finally dropped.

None of us on these forums should be criticising the US at all for its failed, and somewhat laughable, Middle East policy. I have finally understood. It's not their fault at all, they are subject to the whim of Israeli politicans! The US is a virtual colony with little ability to run its own affairs. We should be offering our sympathy and support.

The evidence spaeks for itself:

1. Bush demands immediate withdrawal of Israeli forces from occupied territories.
2. Israel says no.
3. Bush says 'now'.
4. Israel says 'take a running jump, we've got more Palestinians left to kill!'
5. Bush says 'wait 'till Powell gets there!'
6. Powell gets there (via Tahiti, Antarctica and the North Pole - vital states which needed to be 'consulted')
7. Israel puts Powell straight.
8. Powell calls for an end to Palestinian terror or else the US pulls the financial plug.
9. Israel commits massacre at Jenin, US urges Arafat to denounce Palestinian violence.
10. US says nothing about Jenin.
11. Bush shuts up after its clear the Israelis have absolutely no need to listen to him.

Clearly the US is being dictated to here. That threat of Jewish lobby funding is enough to send Bush scurrying for cover. He is impotent in the face of Sharon's warmongering.

We must all try and do all we can to help Bush - he is being told what to do by the world's most powerful individual. Please spare a thought and give generously to the 'liberate US foreign policy' campaign.

 

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Captain Canada ...

Sounds like you voted for Bush and are just now realizing what an
idiot he can be.

Take care

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The US denies us foreigners the vote unfortunately. How different things could be...

I do feel sorry for the legions of Arab-Americans who backed Bush over Gore though (shows what you get for not voting for a man called 'Liberman' just because he's Jewish). The left-right balance is probably more important on most things, though I doubt that on the issue of Israel it makes much difference in the US.

 

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Captain Canada ...

Sorry 'bout that.

Forgot you're not from the good old US of A.

Must be a bummer.

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Well they keep asking me to join, but I'm reluctant. What's the bar like? Not sure I like all the members (or the management), but there seem to be a few perks. I'm currently in a club that's a little more exclusive though...

 

Im not a staunch Bush supporter, but as far as Isreal and Palastine are concerned Gore would have made little difference. Look how long the cease fire agreement lasted that Clinton brokerd. Its funny to me how on one hand the Middle East and the rest of the world for that matter complain how the U.S.A. sticks its nose into affairs of other nations, then in that same instance fuss how America isnt doing enough in the Palastinian Isreali conflict. I have yet to see the European nations offer anything substantial to help quelch the conflict or the Middle East nations except the little peace plan the Arab prince put on the table. What can America really do to stop the conflict short of Invasion. I dont know I could be wrong if so let me know.

 

Since 1945 the US has given Israel $98bn. Free money. With that Israel has built the fourth largest standing army in the world. Every year Congress approves another $3bn in aid to Israel (the most the US gives to any country). Threaten to cut that aid and the Israelis come to the nogotiating table, maybe even make a legitimate offer (i.e. not a 'generous' 45% of the land they have ilegally occupied since 1967). That's where US influence lies, and that's why the US is blamed for not doing enough - that money is as sacred and untouchable as the holy grail. By granting that money and the weapons, the US is actively involved.

But they can't cut the aid. Why? The $34m given by the Jewish lobby to politicans each year. That money buys a nice big yes vote every time the Israel aid budget comes up for renewal - the most uncontroversial piece of legislation passed each year. Bush Sr. tried to threaten the cut in 1991 - he said never again after the flak he took in Congress. It's the only instance I know where $34m buys you $3bn - not a bad deal.

Europeans don't have that sort of influence because they don't give Israel that sort of aid. Whenever the US says it doesn't want to get involved in the Israeli conflcit it's disingenuous - it is involved.

 

Yep, its our fault, its allll our fault!

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Captain Canada what would you suggest America do? Bush has demanded an Isreali withdraw. Even if America cut Isreali funding would that stop the conflict now, mabey down the line but I dont think it would yield immediate results. What can America do Without world support in this instance?

 

I think we can make a significant difference by cutting funds and weapons aid, But do you think that bush can stand that big of a risk? I mean Israeli lobbies will make his life in white house as hell. All kind of pressure, Economy, military, cutting of campaign fundings make sure he won't be elected for next term and then the bigest weapon among all is Media, which is very much in control by them. I am sure goverment is not stupid enough to go against Israel.

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I agree.

 

Anwser to what the U.S can do...

Hello folks,

It has been correctly mentionned that Israel generously funds united states politicians in order to basically 'bribe' them in maintainning a positive outlook on the Israel zionist cause.

It is no secret, pretty much all corporations with blood on their hands 'just does it'. (Pun)
For example, Coca-cola, Nike, Wal-mart, McDonald's, Addidas and the such: use slave laborers, wrecklessly violate environmental laws, uses every loop-hole to avoid paying taxes, are radically against workers unionizations and finally, all contribute directly and indirectly to the 'american dream' ideal that only leaves you with a huge existential crisis at age 40 when you realize for the first time that material objects aren't beeming you up to a Nirvana state. A.k.a: HAP-PYNESS!!!
(Geez, for a moment there I got confused with my other thread concerning totalitarian regimes...)

Anyways, my point is that Israel is just exploiting a well used route to U.S. tax-payers funds. Face it, politics as always, needs a major reform in order to stop the rich to dictate the behavior of our politicians which are supposed to represent us!!

On a simple note, corporations are doing what citizens should be doing:
show concern and help their own politicans so that they wouldn't care for other countries money when it comes to campaigning across the U.S.

Other than Bill Gates and Micheal Jordan, no U.S. citizen can fund a multi-million dollard campaign on his own without extensive corporate and lobby payouts.
Ever wonder why Presidents and member of congress are nothing else that fat-cats from Havard and Yale? Because only those with the resources can even get half a chance to play an important role in politics. (Except those by heredity:
e.g.: Bush Jr.! Ahh, good old republican monarchs)

Need a better point to this reply?
Let me break it down this way:

Take 5 kids out of 30. Divide them in two groups. Give them a park a couple of square miles. The 5 kids get to live in the homes of the other 25 kids, also tells them when they can go to school and work. Sometimes, those five kids prevent the other 25 to get medical attention, food and life essentials.
Of course, the 25 are getting peo'd each passing minute, but they can't just evacuate the smaller group. Why? Because the five kids brought their over-sized brother to help them not only fend-off any attacks but to totally dominate the larger group.
With time, the few get it into their heads that they own the place and then start to colonize the larger group in the hopes to better control the park.
This initiative, of course, requires more big brothers. So they adopt a guy named Thomahawk (missiles)and his brother Apache(helicopter). With an arsenal of high-powered killing machines funded by the original Big Brother (

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) the 5 kids now really own's the place.

Then one day, for apparently no reason to CNN or other mindless medias, one of the 25 kids gets so mad that he prefers to die and take one of his oppressors with him rather than to pursue life as it is.
The 4 kids yield bloody murder to the world and cried until the big brothers got fed up and decided to tolerate the 4 kids revenge on the remaining 24. (Like this had a point)

All this said in done, I welcome you to Palestine!!!!!!



So to end by quotting the coolest newspaper in town "The onion": Give a shit, tell your congressman to give a shit, because if you don't, who will?

Peace out,

Prisme

 

Next time we should ask sharon to "pressure" Bush to sign Kyoto, after all it seems the israelis can give more direction to American policy than the halve world complaining about us government environmental neglect....

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Seriously we can only hope that a strong movement in Israel itselve developes (same goes for palestines), that is having durable, respectable high on the agenda.

- given the tense circumstances (israel is in "survival mode" since 1948) i can sorta picture that for people going through that their whole live on both sides it is not easy to vision something alse as this deadly embrace..But who knows, in south Africa it was a right wing hawk (Pik Botha) that eventually saw the light and offcoase this Nelson Mandela (who could stand above the parties). Israel is currently the millitary superpower in the middle-east, so I will see negotiated lasting peace only come if some important right-wing hardliner like sharon one day accidentally hit his head and his concious start working again.....

- religion, I know religion is important for jews and palestines alike, at least more important than the average joe from a "cristian" soceity like Europe England and (in name) the us.

Could some israeli tell me how "heavy" or how "light" religious the average israeli teenager is raised nowadays? Cause sometimes I get this feeling that the clash of the religions could be even a bigger obstacle than the social/economical issues??? You know , religions have a nasty habit of telling people that "god, history and the future is on their side and the devil on the other side"

 

play the coming war here

just keep clicking continue...

http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2002/11/iraq2.shtml

 

I bet a lot of amercians feel a bit uncomfortable about the fact that their concept of freedom and freemarket has allowed some really big free marketeers to buy a seat in the white house instead of reflecting the voice of the average voter.

Voting against Bush wouldn't help cause the other side is sponsored also.

And yes, American companies play this game all the time as well, so it's no jewish invention, it is just that they know how to play your game very well.

As american You either learn to improve your playskills or you must reconsider words as freedom and free market a bit (especially after Enron etc) and restrucure the election, like actually putting a max. amount of dollars that is allowed to be spent on this election campaign circus and for instance creating a FREE FOR ALL POLITICAL PARTIES tv-channel (financed by public means, instead of mega expensive commercials during superbowl) where less wealthy parties can get their voice and message heard by all the american public like the big parties. Just some ideas....

 

There are mores Jews in America than in Israel. Instead of continuing to give them free aid, pack them up and move them to Montana and let the Palestinians have Palestine.

 

Wow! I never thought about it that way! Now I see the light! No more BushBashing for me buddy! No Sir RE Bob! I hereby suggest that we change the name of the country to the United States of Israel and call it a day!

 

I guess it dosent bother any of you that the palestinians dont want just there own state but to drive Isreal into the sea for good.
If your neighbor continued to murder your mother, father, brother, and sister on the bus, at the mall, in a night club, on your religous holiday, or just becuase your a jew, it must be okay becuase you take money from the USA? Right.

 

Can you support that with some kind of factual information. All Palestnians? Have you spoken with them all? as there a poll? A petition?

:m: Peace.

 

no, your right. I ment to say militant.