God is love. God is a consuming fire. The God of the Bible is a Jealous God. This God we acknowledged as the Creator is a merciful and faithful God. He is a Spirit.

Existing things, visible and invisible, are His. He created His angels, cherubs and seraphs. But one fell because of pride in the name of Lucifer who became Satan, the one who did not abide in the truth (John 8:44).

The God of heavens and earth is the LORD. He dwells in holiness. But where is His voice? Of course based on the Bible, the Lord`s voice is in the waters.

Now how can one meet the God of gods when He is a Spirit biblically speaking?

Not to meet the God who is the Creator of heavens and earth does not mean there is no God because it doesn`t follow logically speaking. And not to hear from Him doesn`t mean there is no God.

A man who has breath is a human being but if he has no breath anymore then that man is a corpse ( a mere dead flesh). There is no way that a human being speaks without first hearing someone speaking other than he himself.

Eternally speaking, the Word was already there in the bosom of the Cause of the all life.

it is evil, who would in their right mind would wish to meet something so inherently evil.

What you said has nothing to do with the concept as Jesus taught.

What you said has nothing to do with the concept as Jesus taught.And how did you come to that conclusion? :bugeye:

it is evil, who would in their right mind would wish to meet something so inherently evil.And how did you see an inherent evil? Isn't it good to give a rest for your body?

I'm with satan, even if he doesn't exist. I reject your "god" of the bible. Or your "god" of the koran. whatever. "god" sucks big donkey dicks, and i can't stand the taste of him, or them.

I'm with satan, even if he doesn't exist. I reject your "god" of the bible. Or your "god" of the koran. whatever. "god" sucks big donkey dicks, and i can't stand the taste of him, or them.
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M*W: I'm with you, CottonT. The God of the bible is the evil one, and I reject him, too. That also goes for the god of the Qur'an, now that I know who Allah really is. I agree with you on all counts, but I wouldn't know what a big donkey dick tastes like. Maybe you can explain?

Enton,

God is love. God is a fantasy concept. Please demonstrate otherwise if you disagree.

God is a consuming fire. Fire is dangerous, a curious description for a god.

The God of the Bible is a Jealous God. Jealously is a significant personality flaw. Why would the most powerful being in the universe need to be jealous of anything?

This God we acknowledged as the Creator is a merciful and faithful God. Only some make such statements, many do not.

He is a Spirit. Another fantasy concept.

He created His angels, cherubs and seraphs. Wonderful fictional mythology.

Not to meet the God who is the Creator of heavens and earth does not mean there is no God because it doesn`t follow logically speaking.True, but then how do we distinguish this idea from an imaginative fantasy that has far greater credibility?

And not to hear from Him doesn`t mean there is no God.But more importantly it doesn’t indicate there is a god.

There is no way that a human being speaks without first hearing someone speaking other than he himself. Some atrocious English, but was there a point?

Eternally speaking, What the heck does that mean?

the Word was already there in the bosom of the Cause of the all life.Gibberish.

And how did you come to that conclusion? :bugeye:
I have made some introductory study into the origins of Christianity. The creed that characterizes orthodox Christianity was formed from both a physical, temporal, political, and (I feel) metaphysical distance from the supposed creator of it. One can proceed from the earliest texts including the non-cononical ones, such as those found at Nag Hammadi, and triangulate Jesus' position from the other great spiritual teachers on Earth, all of whom seemed to teach a similar thing, albeit with different words.

Now how can one meet the God of gods when He is a Spirit biblically speaking?
From the Gospel of Thomas:

3) Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is
in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they
say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will
precede you. Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is
outside of you. [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves]
will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you
will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living
Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty
and it is you who are that poverty."

108) Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become
like Me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden
will become revealed to him."

113) His disciples said to Him, "When will the Kingdom come?"
<Jesus said,> "It will not come by waiting for it. It will
not be a matter of saying 'Here it is' or 'There it is.' Rather,
the Kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth, and men
do not see it."

it is evil, who would in their right mind would wish to meet something so inherently evil.

Your perception is distorted by your experiences. And you cut me like a knife with blashpemy.

You bring sadness to me because God loves you. It is as though you have struck my Earthly father.

God as described in the OT is an evil bastard, like a father that demands love and turns around and beats you to a pulp. God can't be hurt, much less by any human words, you can only hurt yourself and others with them. Fortunately, this God of Israel is an antiquated and obsolete concept, which was overturned by Jesus. They are similar only in name.

Your perception is distorted by your experiences.no distortion here brother, only clear and complete clarity, of thought and vision.And you cut me like a knife with blashpemy. no blasphemy here brother, no believe in a god/gods devil/devils.
You bring sadness to me because God loves you. oh diddums, it's your own fault for being delusional, I have the love of my family and friends, I certainly dont need love from the father of evil, evil personified, the devil is a good guy in comparison. according to your infallible bible?It is as though you have struck my Earthly father.If I'd have done that, I would be guilty of a crime, as it is I can symbolically stab, cut, shoot, drown, anything imaginary/non-existant as I wish.

no distortion here brother, only clear and complete clarity, of thought and vision. no blasphemy here brother, no believe in a god/gods devil/devils.
oh diddums, it's your own fault for being delusional, I have the love of my family and friends, I certainly dont need love from the father of evil, evil personified, the devil is a good guy in comparison. according to your infallible bible?If I'd have done that, I would be guilty of a crime, as it is I can symbolically stab, cut, shoot, drown, anything imaginary/non-existant as I wish.

All realities are distorted:
http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=47902

Sometimes I wonder and gasp at life with awe. When I was a little boy in skimpy tight shorts I will wondered why we are here but my biggest headache about Gods was why they do not also ask this question about themselves, I am sure they do if they have any once of intelligence in them. Usually the lowest level of energy is logicaly accepted to exist first, which in our case is bacteria. Thus the idea of evolution. However there is a twist. When you boil water it goes from low energy to high energy, but when you take away the heat source it goes back from high to low again. Meaning humans might have evolved to Gods at some point only for them to evolve back to bacteria, and the cycle continues. Just what the source of energy is here I can't say at this point, maybe you can. Everything is a cycle, at least everything that has to do with life. Hence Gods and science can exist together. Anyway if Jehovah exists, what about Zeus, Apollo, and the other hundreds of Gods. When exactly are we going to get it right? Until then we should continue standing in the line of evolution, including Gods.

All realities are distorted:only if your delusional enough to believe in religions, (taoism is just another religious BS.) I believe in none, I'm an atheist and secular humanist.

only if your delusional enough to believe in religions, (taoism is just another religious BS.) I believe in none, I'm an atheist and secular humanist.

You must have patience and actually read some of the discussion in the thread, the thread is not about taoism. The thread is a philosophical idea that is being discussed concerning reality. It was hard for me to get past the the word taoism on the thread too. At least we have that in common.

Taoism is just the idea that the creative and destructive principle otherwise known as God in the west, is impersonal and all-pervasive, inherent within the nature of everything and not separate from it. It seeks balance without intention, like water seeks the lowest level.

Taoism is just the idea that the creative and destructive principle otherwise known as God in the west, is impersonal and all-pervasive, inherent within the nature of everything and not separate from it. It seeks balance without intention, like water seeks the lowest level.how can it seek balance if you have to be out of your head first.
taoism is just mysticism, anything that lies outside reality, is just mumbo jumbo.
once they added the spiritual and magical they made it another delusional religion

And how did you see an inherent evil? the bible, your infalible bible, shows the god of the bible, the whole bible to be evil.Isn't it good to give a rest for your body?how can you possibly get a rest from your body, when you die your body decays and you mind ceases, you can rest your body, but you certainly cant rest from it.
enton: you've set very low standards for yourself, and it seems your incapable of reaching them.

You must have patience and actually read some of the discussion in the thread,
I spend sometime reading the thread before I make a post, so dont be partonizing, "arsehole".

Enton,

God is a fantasy concept. Please demonstrate otherwise if you disagree.That's your perception of the God of gods. Maybe, you think that the God of gods is like the god of Roman Catholic Churches which can be represented into sculpture and artistic paintings. :D

Fire is dangerous, a curious description for a god.That's true but like me who is just a poor filipino, I use fire for cooking. :D

Jealously is a significant personality flaw. Why would the most powerful being in the universe need to be jealous of anything? Well as a creature of God, I had a feeling of jealousy too. Well, if I had a very precious masterpiece I would not let it be lost.

Only some make such statements, many do not.Yes, that's true! Only some acknowledged Him as the Creator because many people doubt whether or not they're in a real world or in realm of dreams.

Another fantasy concept.That's your license to opine.

Wonderful fictional mythology. That's your conclusion and not mine or to any christians in this world.

True, but then how do we distinguish this idea from an imaginative fantasy that has far greater credibility? Good you made a perfect distinction of thoughts. You may ask a blind what is his thinking about a God or his giver of life.

But more importantly it doesn’t indicate there is a god. For you in your atheistic dictionaries (atheictionaries).

Some atrocious English, but was there a point?The language of dog, cat and rat. Think why do we have language!

What the heck does that mean?As I said, some words in common dictionaries are not written in atheictionaries.

Gibberish.What's your cause? Or shall I say you're just an effect without a cause? What's the purpose of your tongue?

From the Gospel of Thomas:

3) Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is
in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they
say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will
precede you. Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is
outside of you. [Those who] become acquainted with [themselves]
will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you
will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living
Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty
and it is you who are that poverty."

108) Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become
like Me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden
will become revealed to him."

113) His disciples said to Him, "When will the Kingdom come?"
<Jesus said,> "It will not come by waiting for it. It will
not be a matter of saying 'Here it is' or 'There it is.' Rather,
the Kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth, and men
do not see it."
Excuse me, w :) hose Thomas were you quoting? Thomas Aquinas?

Enton,

That's your perception of the God of gods. Maybe, you think that the God of gods is like the god of Roman Catholic Churches which can be represented into sculpture and artistic paintings. No. Gods are fantasy concepts because no one has yet shown they are anything else.

That's true but like me who is just a poor filipino, I use fire for cooking. Such a god that we could control would be fine.

Well as a creature of God, I had a feeling of jealousy too. Well, if I had a very precious masterpiece I would not let it be lost.How can something omnipotent lose anything?

Yes, that's true! Only some acknowledged Him as the Creator because many people doubt whether or not they're in a real world or in realm of dreams.Or that they are not as gullible as others who do believe.

That's your license to opine.No, that gods are fantasy is objective fact until someone can show that a god exists.

That's your conclusion and not mine or to any christians in this world.Yet neither you or any Christian can show that the bible stories are anything other than fictional myth. Simply asserting that the bible is true doesn’t make it true.

Good you made a perfect distinction of thoughts. You may ask a blind what is his thinking about a God or his giver of life.Please try again. Your statements didn’t appear to make any sense.

For you in your atheistic dictionaries (atheictionaries).What have dictionaries to do with showing that gods exist or not?

The language of dog, cat and rat. Think why do we have language!To communicate. You are becoming somewhat obscure here.

As I said, some words in common dictionaries are not written in atheictionaries.That didn’t answer the question.

What's your cause? Or shall I say you're just an effect without a cause? I am a product of human reproduction, the same as you.

What's the purpose of your tongue?Why is that relevant?

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M*W: I'm with you, CottonT. The God of the bible is the evil one, and I reject him, too. That also goes for the god of the Qur'an, now that I know who Allah really is. I agree with you on all counts, but I wouldn't know what a big donkey dick tastes like. Maybe you can explain?


Yeah, that kind of came out sounding bad, didn't it? I wouldn't know, actually, though one time my brother and I talked our youngest brother into trying to fuck a goat. Luckily, he wasn't quite fast enough for the goat, especially with his jeans down around his ankles. He finally gave up. I was about 8, next was 6 and the youngest was about 5. We all ended up laughing our asses off, though, and still do to this day. I'm laughing right now, thinking about it. I'm gonna have to remind him of that next time I talk to him (the youngest). :D

Enton,

No. Gods are fantasy concepts because no one has yet shown they are anything else. Only God can show but I doubt if He will reveal to you. I just hope so, He will. :rolleyes:

Such a god that we could control would be fine.Can you control your belly?

How can something omnipotent lose anything?Our God is not omnipotent. There is something that He cannot do. :bugeye:

Or that they are not as gullible as others who do believe.Who knows they are just using their intelligence the smartest way possible!

No, that gods are fantasy is objective fact until someone can show that a god exists.Psalmist David was in his proper mind when he thanked the LORD God in front of the gods.

Yet neither you or any Christian can show that the bible stories are anything other than fictional myth. Simply asserting that the bible is true doesn’t make it true.Fictionist arise because of their need of food support.Or else they would be tagged as "plagiarists" if they will twist the Biblical writings into their own and sell those plagiarized biblical events. Well, others just changed the characters and time, nevertheless, they're known as "Apocryphal" writings, not totally plagiarized.

Please try again. Your statements didn’t appear to make any sense.Interview unique people, like the blind people, ask them what they think about God, whether there is someone responsible for the existence of life, breath, universe.

What have dictionaries to do with showing that gods exist or not?Dictionaries are following what the Bible says about God but lexicographers mean those "gods" simply as "false". Ask them (lexicographers and etymologists) why did they give due importance of the word "God/god" in their dictionaries or how in reality are they very sure of the existence of that "word".

To communicate. You are becoming somewhat obscure here.[QUOTE]Show me scientific evidence written and documented that cats and dogs and rats communicate in each other in a common tongue. What's my point? Animals were not subject of the commandment of God in the Garden of Eden, only Adam the first man, as He told him not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

[QUOTE=Cris]That didn’t answer the question.It answered you have just mislooked. Where are these words in atheist's dictionaries: god, spirit, soul?

I am a product of human reproduction, the same as you.Good answer. (reproduction)

Why is that relevant?Just an addition for our topic. For me tongue can be very good and can also be very dangerous as once you've commented in "God is a consuming fire." (fire, according to you, being dangerous). Well, of course the purpose of tongue is for physical sense of taste. But remember too that deceit and truth comes out :) from the mouth with a tongue!

enton:

What's the purpose of your tongue?
Oh my. So many ways to answer this. It begs a list.

- Tasting substances in an effort to not ingest poisons and pick the high sugar nutrients
- Forming articulate speech patterns (language)
- Sealing the throat when swimming
- Manipulating food substances in the mouth for proper mastication prior to swallowing
- Aiding with the transport of food to the throat (swallowing)

And now the really important uses (you knew it was coming...pun intended)

- A deep, sensual french kiss
- Stimulation of the nipples (male and female)
- Bathing the body, as in "french tongue bath"
- Stimulating the clitoris (fem) or glans (male)
- Probing the vaginal opening
- Tickling the ears
- Tickling the belly button
- Teasing the testicles

There must be more...