interesting.

lol, it looks like some kind of secret group sabotaged your post =]

The Freemasons were a group of (Jewish) people who were slaves forced to build the pyramids, until one of them discovered time-travel, and freed the masons. Hence there is this: http://www.masonicinfo.com/images/GreatSealObverse.gif on the United States' dollar bills. :D

wow. See that!!! I posted the link to the article and its gone and I didn't even write interesting. I posted the link to the article. And the funny as hell thing is I can't even find the article on the net. Let me do a name search now.

Yes I found it: http://islamictruth.bizhat.com/

I disagree with the Freemasons being linked with Satanism! Besides, I doubt that you, Muslim, truly know what the 'one eye' represents.

'one eye' represents.

RA the first egyptian god :m:

The Satanic Bible was written by Dr. Anton Szandor Lavey, not Anthony Sans Delivi...where's the proof that any of this is real? Since when is Matt Groening an anarchist?

RA the first egyptian god I disagree. I believe the all-seeing-eye represents the fact that the Freemasons see all. :)

I disagree. I believe the all-seeing-eye represents the fact that the Freemasons see all. :)

Do you mean that in a metaphorical sense or do you mean they can actually see you all the time. And there is an interesting choice of words you used there.

The Freemasons were a group of (Jewish) people who were slaves forced to build the pyramids, until one of them discovered time-travel, and freed the masons. Hence there is this: http://www.masonicinfo.com/images/GreatSealObverse.gif on the United States' dollar bills. :D

Time travel? Why didn't they save 6 million Jews from Hitler? :confused: only a bad person would not save someone from oppression.

Actually that makes more sense the pyramid and the "one" eye. You'd have real problem judging distance. Still even the strongest beast can be destroyed, Prophet David vs Goliath! by the planning of god. God is the best of planners.

Are you a Freemason by any chance?

1 dollar (http://gallery.hd.org/_exhibits/money/_more2001/_more01/US-Dollar-USD-10-5-1-bills-Greenbacks-worn-front-and-back-ANON.jpg)

the inscription below: Novus Ordo Seclorum (new order of ages) reflects the desire of the founders of the United States -- several of whom were freemasons -- to establish a new order in the west. Also... the eagle seems to be a rosicrucian symbol. dunno

I'll tell you what I heard about it.
The eye in the pyramid is "The Great Seal" of God.
The great pyramid was built before the flood by Enoch and the sons of god to reflect the plan of the future salvation of mankind.
Thats what a so- called "Egyptian" pyramid is doing on the back of a one dollar bill.
The U.S.A. was founded ..."In God We Trust".
The other emblem on the right side of the one dollar bill is the seal
"Of the United States", with 13 arrows, she had 13 colonies ect....
They are separate..."The Great Seal", and "Of The United States".
are two different things.

I'll tell you what I heard about it.
The eye in the pyramid is "The Great Seal" of God.
The great pyramid was built before the flood by Enoch and the sons of god to reflect the plan of the future salvation of mankind.
Thats what a so- called "Egyptian" pyramid is doing on the back of a one dollar bill.
The U.S.A. was founded ..."In God We Trust".
The other emblem on the right side of the one dollar bill is the seal
"Of the United States", with 13 arrows, she had 13 colonies ect....
They are separate..."The Great Seal", and "Of The United States".
are two different things.

Thats wrong god has no sons.

according to bible he has... and also according to many other ancient myths... hercules... sons of ra... etc.

The free masons are servents of satan. Most of their members do not know this but those who are in the higher levels know that they serve lucifer. The eye in the capstone is satan.

Why would they save the Jewish people and help them establish the state of isreal? Because they know that this must happen before the coming of their christ. (the anti-christ) It is not out of love that they save and help the Jews, on the country they hate the Children of Abraham and will gladly take part in the final extermination of the Jewish people. Israel to them is the final concentration camp that must be protected until satans purpose has been fulfilled. The jews will accept the anti-christ as the Messiah when He comes to protect them from the arabs. His act of protecting and destroying the arab enemies of the Jews is part of the deception. This Israel has been set up by a synagogue of satan, It is there for one purpose to set up the world for the great deception. Of course the arabs are playing their part to a tee, their bloody terrorism they call jihad is hated by more and more of the worlds people as they come to taste it in their countries. The Anti-christ will be cheered on as His army liquidates the arab nation of the face of the earth.

The masons have their stamp all over Israel.

There is only one road leading from Eilat to the Egyptian border at Taba and the last circle before getting to the border you will find this Masonic Memorial in the middle of the road.

http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/articlefiles/963-eilatmason1.jpg

http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/articlefiles/963-eilatmason2.jpg

So at the border of Israel this sits as a signal to all. Notice how the all seeing eye in the capstone of the pyramid is connected to the pyramid. When the US dollar was designed satanic plan was near to completion but now the all seeing eye has reached its destination the mission is complete.


And take a tour of the panicle of Law in Israel, the high court of Israel:

http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/articlefiles/817-supremecourt.jpg

Notice the green glass Pyramid poking out of the top of the building with the all seeing eye on the capstone?

For a better view just click on the link and have a guided tour of this abomination.

The High Court of Isreal a guided tour (http://www.thegoldenreport.com/asp/jerrysnewsmanager/anmviewer.asp?a=817)


Their plans will come to nothing The true God of Abraham will catch them in their own craftiness.


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A prophet said it was as I stated, the capstone is Christ, not lucifer.
The illuminati story is full of disinformation. The Jews were supernaturaly blinded for a season so the rest of man could receive salvation.
The Jews aren't some evil race because they called for the crucifiction of Christ.
It was done by God to save life.
They are the original olive tree, the rest of us were wild branches only grafted in because they were blinded by God.
Read the New Testement.
Don't be decieved by lies and disinformation.
The kingdom cometh not with observation.

no jewish slaves were used to build the pyramids. thats been debunked pretty much fully at this point.

and yeah wow The Visitor - you need to go to history class, starting probably with like 3rd or 4th grade and work your way up. the great pyramid wasnt built by any sons of god before the flood or whatever. your mind is a wasteland.

yeah, the capstone is identified with Jesus, the trinity, the eye of horus (same as christ), "The stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner", or 'chief cornerstone'. Psalm 118:22, Matthew 21:42

the great pyramid wasnt built by any sons of god before the flood or whatever.

how do you know?

The cornerstone is Not the capstone They are different stones.

Psalm 118
22 The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
23 This was the LORD’s doing;
It is marvelous in our eyes.

How prophetic can it get. :) The masons rejected the cornerstone for the capstone they rejected Jesus for lucifer.

Acts 4
8 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel: 9 If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well, 10 let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. 11 This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’ 12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”


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God must be getting a kick out of this right now...

I'll tell you who else is getting a kick out of this, and why we've got two years or so of combatting utter nonsense on this subject matter, here and in the media as a whole: The Freemasons are the subject of Dan Brown's forthcoming new book!

Gah! :eek: :rolleyes:

Adstar, Lucifer is the morning star, the lightbringer, the holy ghost.

Revelation 22:16: I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.

2 Peter 1:19: And we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts

Adstar, so do you agree with the guys essay on Freemasons? because your and his theory match pretty well.

Adstar, what's the point in following that pattern? Are you afraid?

Oh, well... whatever.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.freemasonry?lnk=li

http://groups.msn.com/psycologicalwarfare

quelquechosedautre is a freemason spy who killed a friend of mine for no reason

http://groups.google.com/group/Antimasonpartyheadquarters

Robert L Thompsett was trying to recruit me for the new world order I had nothing to do with freemason

Robert L thompsett british freemason spy lived at 125 rue stjacque Hull Quebec

The apartment managers were in on it and have taken over some kids infheritance Bertrand bycicle.

Robert L thompsett phones other papers customers and copies the artwork into his paper. He does not have a creative bone in his body.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.freemasonry/browse_frm/thread/3987904f6fcffe1d/23b4cfba87935f2e#23b4cfba87935f2e

http://stuffnewspaper.com/video.htm

first plan would be to contact all his sponsors and inform them they
are advertising with a new world order spy if they demand proof I
posted plenty.


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1-3 degree masons are worth 10 points
satanists are worth 25 points
Grand master masons 500 points
crooked law enforcement 1000 points
FBI agents(crooked) 2500 points
Destroy a Lodge during freemason ritual 30,000 points
Destroy a freemason business 15,000 points

This is example only but you get the idea make it sporting

The free masons are servents of satan. Most of their members do not know this but those who are in the higher levels know that they serve lucifer. The eye in the capstone is satan.

Why would they save the Jewish people and help them establish the state of isreal? Because they know that this must happen before the coming of their christ. (the anti-christ) It is not out of love that they save and help the Jews, on the country they hate the Children of Abraham and will gladly take part in the final extermination of the Jewish people. Israel to them is the final concentration camp that must be protected until satans purpose has been fulfilled. The jews will accept the anti-christ as the Messiah when He comes to protect them from the arabs. His act of protecting and destroying the arab enemies of the Jews is part of the deception. This Israel has been set up by a synagogue of satan, It is there for one purpose to set up the world for the great deception. Of course the arabs are playing their part to a tee, their bloody terrorism they call jihad is hated by more and more of the worlds people as they come to taste it in their countries. The Anti-christ will be cheered on as His army liquidates the arab nation of the face of the earth.

The masons have their stamp all over Israel.

There is only one road leading from Eilat to the Egyptian border at Taba and the last circle before getting to the border you will find this Masonic Memorial in the middle of the road.


So at the border of Israel this sits as a signal to all. Notice how the all seeing eye in the capstone of the pyramid is connected to the pyramid. When the US dollar was designed satanic plan was near to completion but now the all seeing eye has reached its destination the mission is complete.


And take a tour of the panicle of Law in Israel, the high court of Israel:


Notice the green glass Pyramid poking out of the top of the building with the all seeing eye on the capstone?

For a better view just click on the link and have a guided tour of this abomination.



Their plans will come to nothing The true God of Abraham will catch them in their own craftiness.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

I gotta agree. The all seeing eye and the pyramid are Egyptian in origin. There is nothing biblical about these symbols. Also the obelisk is in the same family. The Washington monument is an obelisk.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/13/Washington_Monument_Top.jpg/200px-Washington_Monument_Top.jpg

It is the tallest structure in the capital -- by law.

from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelisk#Modern_obelisks)

The obelisk symbolized the sun god Ra and during the brief religious reformation of Akhenaten was said to be a petrified ray of the aten, the sundisk. It was also thought that the god existed within the structure.

The all-seeing eye orginated from the egyptian eye of horus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Horus)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_D10.png

Notice the resemblance with Avatar's "avatar."

how do you know?

how do i know? watch any show about egypt on the history channel, do some research on egyptology, there is an extremely strong consensus about who built the great pyramid, when, and why.

even just a cursory search reveals how common this information is.
from wikipedia:
The Great Pyramid of Giza (29°58′41″N, 31°07′53″E) is the oldest and last remaining of the Seven Wonders of the World. It is generally believed the Great Pyramid was built as the tomb of Fourth dynasty Egyptian king Khufu (also known under his Greek name Cheops and believed to have reigned from 2606-2583 BC), after whom it is sometimes called Khufu's Pyramid or the Pyramid of Khufu. Traditionally, the architect of the pyramid was Hemon, a relative of Khufu.

Age and location
Believed by mainstream egyptologists to have been constructed in approximately 20 years, the most widely accepted estimate for its date of completion is c. 2580 BC. This date is loosely supported by archæological findings which have yet to reveal a civilization (of sufficient population size or technical ability) older than the fourth dynasty in the area.

yeah, the capstone is identified with Jesus, the trinity, the eye of horus (same as christ), "The stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner", or 'chief cornerstone'. Psalm 118:22, Matthew 21:42



how do you know?


The great pyramid is not of Egyptian origin. It represents Christ's rejection, sacrifice, and return as the head of the body.
Egypt represents sin, unbelief and worldliness in the bible.
The sons of Ham... Cainan, who was under a curse from God, and Put and Cush which settled in Egypt, Arabia and Africa, took what they found as their own, and began to desecrate the site even as modern day heathens do .
They will take a captured or former holy monument of God's people and build other monuments to idolatry upon it to desecrate the site just as muslims have done with Solomons temple site in Jerusalam.
This is spoken of in the scriptures now as the "abomination of desolation" in the book of Daniel.

Adstar, Lucifer is the morning star, the lightbringer, the holy ghost.

Revelation 22:16: I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.

2 Peter 1:19: And we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts


Lucifer is Not the Morning star. Lucifer is the son of the morning, Jesus is the Morning Star. You must be quoting the bloody NIV bible because thats the translation that also calls Jesus the capstone. :mad:

KJV
Isaiah 14:12
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!


KJV
Revelation 22:16
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

NKJV
Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

NKJV
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star


NIV
Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

NIV
Revelation 22:16
16"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."

Lucifer is the morning star, the lightbringer, the holy ghost.

Calling the Holy Spirit satan is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit This sin will never be forgiven.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Some posts obviously don't deserve a responce, like C.C.'s, The great pyramid is not of Egyptian origin.
It represents Christ's rejection, sacrifice, and return as the head of the body.
The sons of Ham... Cainan, who was under a curse from God, and Put and Cush which settled in Egypt, Arabia and Africa, took what they found as their own, and began to desecrate the site even as modern day heathens do .
They will take a captured or former holy monument of God's people and build other monuments to idolatry upon it to desecrate the site just as muslims have done with Solomons temple site in Jerusalam.
This is spoken of in the scriptures now as the "abomination of desolation" in the book of Daniel.


lets be clear about something. YOU BELIEVE IN A MYTHICAL DREAMWORLD, and because of this, you have about as much credibility as a used car salesman.

I gotta agree. The all seeing eye and the pyramid are Egyptian in origin. There is nothing biblical about these symbols. Also the obelisk is in the same family. The Washington monument is an obelisk.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/13/Washington_Monument_Top.jpg/200px-Washington_Monument_Top.jpg

It is the tallest structure in the capital -- by law.

from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelisk#Modern_obelisks)



The all-seeing eye orginated from the egyptian eye of horus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Horus)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_D10.png

Notice the resemblance with Avatar's "avatar."

Yes woody thanks for the input, The USA was founded by the masons to fulfil a purpose. It has served their purpose well and will serve satan again as it will be destroyed in an hour by fire as a necessary sacrifice to fool the Word that the anti-christ is the returned Messiah.

Washington is the World capitol of masonry, The Old harlot religion of Babylon with a new makeover.


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Adstar, so do you agree with the guys essay on Freemasons? because your and his theory match pretty well.

Well i never read the "guys" essay. Did you provide a link? i did not see it?

Anyway, Just because the Arabs know that isreal has been set up by and protected by the masons and seek to destroy it, does not make muslims a people of The God of Abraham. Islam has suppressed Christianity and persecuted christians for centuries. satan has no love for those who serve him. his desire is always to deceive those who are not yet deceived, So it is nothing to Him to sacrifice his servants to win the trust of those not yet deceived. If that means the destruction of the arab nations and the USA then he will do it through the Anti-christ.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Adstar, what's the point in following that pattern? Are you afraid?

Oh, well... whatever.

What pattern are you talking about?

I am not afraid. I have not called the Holy Spirit lucifer I have hope for eternity, It is you who should be afraid.

The only thing evil men can do is end my flesh life they have no power over my eternal life. That is in the hands of The God of Abraham. :)


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You are on to something with the destuction of the USA, she's in Rev 13, ...the Lamb that spoke as a dragon.
She has rejected God and is a part of the Babylon church system.
And the USA will be destoyed by nuclear weapons launched from Russia.
When..I don't know. Romanism has taken it's toll.
The daughters and their old harlot mama all back as one big happy family again...sure.
But there's one thing you don't maybe realize.
The revealing of the son of man from heaven is taken place...The shout, voice, and trump. He comes as a thief in the night...long before the world knows about it.
Then after missing his visitation, and rejecting Him.... the false bablonian churchworld still looking for Christ.
They are prime to recieve the anti-christ.
They were mis-directed by their leaders, just as in the first coming.
"They won't let others in, niether will they go in themselves"
Find Him while He is here to be found...
REVELATION 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
When the gentile age is over, God will turn back to his people..Israel

If the Bible is God's word, why doesn't it say "I will turn back to my people, israel". Does this not imply it was written by man? And therefor flawed?

Well i never read the "guys" essay. Did you provide a link? i did not see it?

Anyway, Just because the Arabs know that isreal has been set up by and protected by the masons and seek to destroy it, does not make muslims a people of The God of Abraham. Islam has suppressed Christianity and persecuted christians for centuries. satan has no love for those who serve him. his desire is always to deceive those who are not yet deceived, So it is nothing to Him to sacrifice his servants to win the trust of those not yet deceived. If that means the destruction of the arab nations and the USA then he will do it through the Anti-christ.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Yes I found it: http://islamictruth.bizhat.com/

If the Bible is God's word, why doesn't it say "I will turn back to my people, israel". Does this not imply it was written by man? And therefor flawed?

Read Kuran instead.

Read Kuran instead.
No.

Yes I found it: http://islamictruth.bizhat.com/

Yes i read His document:

I have read all the amin points already on Christian web sites. and others. I would not be surprised if your he sourced some of his points from them. As the document points out the tag masons is just the latest name for a society that has ancient roots, They existed long before the knights templar was formed.

I found this to be interesting:

The last Prophet of God - Muhammad (SAW) said that a man will appear first as a tyrannical king, then he will claim to be a prophet, finally he will claim to be the lord god himself. The Prophet (SAW) further foretold that this liar would start to conquer the world and no place would remain unscathed except the two Holy Cities of Makkah and Madina. He will call to a false religion. He is the Dajjal, meaning "impostor" and he will be born with one eye. It is also known that before the appearance of the Dajjal, a group of people will pave the way for setting up a system to prepare the world for his arrival. In other words, the forerunner to the Dajjal will bear all the characteristics of the Dajjal. The forerunners to the Dajjal are none other than the freemasons.

The freemasons are just one branch of the monster. A major branch but not the only One. The Christian book of Revelations tells us that there is more than one false religion that claims to follow The God of Abraham. It says that the Mother of harlots has her daughters (religions separated from the main but still spiritual harlots in false teachings.

I believe from Christian scriptures that Yes the Anti-Christ will fight islam to the bitter end and the arabs will be exterminated. As for the non-arabic islamic world the scriptures are not clear on their fate. One thing about the Anti-Christ muhammed is wrong, He will not be born with one eye but he will loose one eye in an assassination attempt. Also His right arm will become completely withered because of his injury. The Anti-christ will be declared dead but a man called the false prophet will heal him and it will be believed that it is a miracle.


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How dare you say no to our holy Kuran,
Allaha will make you read it.
you dont seem to even know hot to spell your holy book. it is 'koran' not'kuran'

i smell an imPOSTER you'll

Calling the Holy Spirit satan is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit This sin will never be forgiven.

but blavatsky said lucifer is both holy ghost and satan at the same time, and she says pretty intelligent things often so i think it's probably true.

and lucifer isn't satan, he was originally the lightbringer, venus, but he becomes satan later.

I am not afraid. I have not called the Holy Spirit lucifer I have hope for eternity, It is you who should be afraid.

i dont wanna go to heaven cuz good people will go to hell only cuz they don't believe in god and people who have commited crimes and murderers who later repent will go to heaven. its wrong. but i'm not afraid of yr gods cuz my gods are bigger.

you blasphemed against quetzacoatl, you'll never be forgiven.
sum day he will return and you'll b left here on earth to hell all alone.

you dont seem to even know hot to spell your holy book. it is 'koran' not'kuran'

i smell an imPOSTER you'll

i think he's joking but if he's not, then he's a muslim and his english is not his first language so he doesn't know how to spell it

Yes i read His document:

I have read all the amin points already on Christian web sites. and others. I would not be surprised if your he sourced some of his points from them. As the document points out the tag masons is just the latest name for a society that has ancient roots, They existed long before the knights templar was formed.

I found this to be interesting:



The freemasons are just one branch of the monster. A major branch but not the only One. The Christian book of Revelations tells us that there is more than one false religion that claims to follow The God of Abraham. It says that the Mother of harlots has her daughters (religions separated from the main but still spiritual harlots in false teachings.

I believe from Christian scriptures that Yes the Anti-Christ will fight islam to the bitter end and the arabs will be exterminated. As for the non-arabic islamic world the scriptures are not clear on their fate. One thing about the Anti-Christ muhammed is wrong, He will not be born with one eye but he will loose one eye in an assassination attempt. Also His right arm will become completely withered because of his injury. The Anti-christ will be declared dead but a man called the false prophet will heal him and it will be believed that it is a miracle.


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Don't you think the Qu'ran would have alittle more credibility as it has not been changed since 1400 years and the bible has? remember the dead sea scrolls? the Muslims respect and believe in the bible the parts which don't contradict the Qu'ran. Muslims believe the Anti-Christ will destroy almost all Muslims in the world there will only be about a 100 Muslims left, and the final victory will be with the Muslims and Christians who will subsequently convert to Islam, after Jesus (pbuh) Isa, will say he is not god. This is when the Jesus (pbuh) will fight the Anti_christ and kick its ass. And then everyone is going to kill Jews, and the Jews will hide behind rocks and the rocks will speak and say: "come kill the Jew that is hiding behind me"

Here is a very good read on the last days and the Final Battle: http://www.islam.tc/prophecies/jesus.html

RA the first egyptian god :m:

Ra

If thine single Eye be Filled with Darkness how Great then is the Evil within??

If thine Single Eye is filled with the Singularity of Light, Reality, Reality as seen in the Light of the Sun, Day, then Thine Whole Body if Full of Light.

Ye, Ra, Amen.

I gotta agree. The all seeing eye and the pyramid are Egyptian in origin. There is nothing biblical about these symbols. Also the obelisk is in the same family. The Washington monument is an obelisk.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/13/Washington_Monument_Top.jpg/200px-Washington_Monument_Top.jpg

It is the tallest structure in the capital -- by law.

from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obelisk#Modern_obelisks)



The all-seeing eye orginated from the egyptian eye of horus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_Horus)

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/extensions/wikihiero/img/hiero_D10.png

Notice the resemblance with Avatar's "avatar."



Thine Single Eye, the All Seeing Eye is the Eye of a God, is omniscient, the Mind's Eye, is a Know-IT-All, which, knowing Good and Evil, may become
the Evil Eye, depending on how it is put to use by Mankind.

Lucifer is Not the Morning star. Lucifer is the son of the morning, Jesus is the Morning Star. You must be quoting the bloody NIV bible because thats the translation that also calls Jesus the capstone. :mad:

KJV
Isaiah 14:12
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!


KJV
Revelation 22:16
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

NKJV
Isaiah 14:12
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

NKJV
Revelation 22:16
"I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star


NIV
Isaiah 14:12
How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

NIV
Revelation 22:16
16"I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."



Calling the Holy Spirit satan is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit This sin will never be forgiven.


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There are Two Great Lights, the Bright Light and the morning Light, Dawn,
Twice Light, the Dark Light that not only shines in the morning but also as
the evening Star, Light, dusk.

The Morning Star, Light, Twice Light, the Second Great Light that was a Natural Creation born when the Day was separated from the Night, Twice Light, is a mere reflection of Light, the Light that is separated our from in between Day an Night, Twilight, the Dark Light, the Morning Star, Light, the morning dawn, the Evening, Star, Light.

Twice Light, of which there are Three, the Dawn Light, the Dusk Light and By the Light of the Silvery Moon.

Don't you think the Qu'ran would have alittle more credibility as it has not been changed since 1400 years and the bible has?

Not if the Koran was a false message in the first place. The bible gives a very clear prophetic warning about men believing in messages from angels that run against the Message of Jesus.

Galatians 1
6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

islam is not alone as being a religion founded by the message of an angel, The Mormon religion also derives its teachings from an angel.



remember the dead sea scrolls? the Muslims respect and believe in the bible the parts which don't contradict the Qu'ran.

Therefore you trust in the message of muhammad over the bible because you hold the koran higher than the bible. It is clear that the angel had knowledge of the scriptures enough to twist them to aid satan in his deception of the arabs and others who had rejected the message of forgiveness that Jesus gave because they see it as foolishness.



Muslims believe the Anti-Christ will destroy almost all Muslims in the world there will only be about a 100 Muslims left, and the final victory will be with the Muslims and Christians who will subsequently convert to Islam, after Jesus (pbuh) Isa, will say he is not god. This is when the Jesus (pbuh) will fight the Anti_christ and kick its ass.

Yes as i have said before the Anti-christ will exterminate the Arab people i am not so sure that he will succeed in exterminating all muslim peoples, some may reject islam and serve the anti-christ. The Jews will end up rejecting the Anti-christ and they will be attacked and all except 144,000 will be killed by the Anti-christ. Then The Messiah Jesus will come and destroy the army of the Anti-christ that will be amassed on the plains of Megiddo. 200 million solders will be destroyed when the Messiah returns. Jesus will not need any human solders in His army.



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adstar, don't you understand that the number 144,000 has a symbolic and astrological meaning?

the 12 tribes of israel are the 12 signs of the zodiac. 12,000 for each of the 12 signs equal 144,000. 144 is also the 13th number in the fibonacci sequence, or golden ratio, the spiral of creation found everywhere in nature. also the number of minutes in an hour times the number of hours in a day equals 1440.

there's no way in hell you can find the truth by following and judging with a book, you have to think with your own mind. without the living brain which god made, you couldn't even read the bible, don't base everything on a dead book but find the god's living law inside yourself.

adstar, don't you understand that the number 144,000 has a symbolic and astrological meaning?

the 12 tribes of israel are the 12 signs of the zodiac. 12,000 for each of the 12 signs equal 144,000. 144 is also the 13th number in the fibonacci sequence, or golden ratio, the spiral of creation found everywhere in nature. also the number of minutes in an hour times the number of hours in a day equals 1440.

there's no way in hell you can find the truth by following and judging with a book, you have to think with your own mind. without the living brain which god made, you couldn't even read the bible, don't base everything on a dead book but find the god's living law inside yourself.

c7ityi I don't think you get it. I have no interest in what you believe or say, Your doomed. You have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Your pride in you faulty "living brain" lead you to this disaster. No one can save you now.


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They honor God with their lips but their hearts are far away from him.

I need no savior. There is no hell except the one here on earth, in our minds.

Adstar, i think the bible most of its made up. Jesus never said he was a Christian, and also the bible has been changed over the years. And is mainly the work of Paul rather then Jesus. And most of the divine message is lost within it. There are so many contradictions in the bible wich cannot be explained.

Jesus never died on the cross it was a lie and there is over evidence to support this claim. And I can bring that evidence here if you wanted.


All Praise Be to Allah.

Adstar, i think the bible most of its made up. Jesus never said he was a Christian, and also the bible has been changed over the years. And is mainly the work of Paul rather then Jesus. And most of the divine message is lost within it. There are so many contradictions in the bible wich cannot be explained.

Jesus never died on the cross it was a lie and there is over evidence to support this claim. And I can bring that evidence here if you wanted.


All Praise Be to Allah.

We both shall know who is the liar at the final judgement muslim. One of us will be with God for eternity the other will be in agony in the eternal lake of fire.

You trust in the angel that gave that inspired muhammad so be it , but remember satan was an angel and one third of the angels of heaven are in league with him. I place my trust in the Messiah Jesus. "Christ" is just another Word for Messiah So "Christian" means a believer in the Messiah.

May you come to believe and trust in Jesus and believe that He died to obtain atonement for your sins. As for muhammad he is accursed and the angel that inspired him is accursed both will be cast in the lake of fire and suffer for eternity along with satan.



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We both shall know who is the liar at the final judgement muslim. One of us will be with God for eternity the other will be in agony in the eternal lake of fire.

You trust in the angel that gave that inspired muhammad so be it , but remember satan was an angel and one third of the angels of heaven are in league with him. I place my trust in the Messiah Jesus. "Christ" is just another Word for Messiah So "Christian" means a believer in the Messiah.

May you come to believe and trust in Jesus and believe that He died to obtain atonement for your sins. As for muhammad he is accursed and the angel that inspired him is accursed both will be cast in the lake of fire and suffer for eternity along with satan.

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You follow your way and I'll follow my way. The way for truth.

2 Corinthians 11
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

The works of muhammad are known, terror and bloodshead and lies. he placed his faith in that angel. But he was decieved greatly. But his heart was set upon plunder and power, his will was in alignment with satan.


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2 Corinthians 11
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.

The works of muhammad are known, terror and bloodshead and lies. he placed his faith in that angel. But he was decieved greatly. But his heart was set upon plunder and power, his will was in alignment with satan.


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How about you just shut up, you don't want me to really pull all the contradictions in the bible. Fathers fingering their daughters? (OT) so just shut up.

Don't you think the Qu'ran would have alittle more credibility as it has not been changed since 1400 years and the bible has?

Actually, the Quran has been changed pretty substantially. A German team dug up a Quran so different to the present version that they were afraid to publish their results. So the Quran has been extensively changed. I think Umar (Third Caliph) himself said that parts were edited out to avoid embarassing Mohammed's memory.

I'm currenly reading the Dead Sea Scrolls. The problem is that there's not much reason to think that they're any more or less original than the texts decided on at Nicea or Troyes.

And then everyone is going to kill Jews, and the Jews will hide behind rocks and the rocks will speak and say: "come kill the Jew that is hiding behind me"

Well that's a lovely reason to believe in islam. Why don't you go on and sign me up, then?

...man. Do we have to have this kind of crap?

Geoff

Jesus never died on the cross it was a lie and there is over evidence to support this claim. And I can bring that evidence here if you wanted.

I think I know exactly which "evidence" you're referring to and it's associated with Harun Yahya (Adnan Oktar). I've debunked it elsewhere, so if you wanted to post it I don't think it would be very helpful to your cause.

That was an interesting comment on the "angels of heaven" bit, but that 144,000 number looks more like it was pulled out of the air. Come on, divine numerology is nonsense.

Geoff

How about you just shut up, you don't want me to really pull all the contradictions in the bible. Fathers fingering their daughters? (OT) so just shut up.

:) I will not be shutting up.

And then everyone is going to kill Jews, and the Jews will hide behind rocks and the rocks will speak and say: "come kill the Jew that is hiding behind me"

Well that's a lovely reason to believe in islam. Why don't you go on and sign me up, then?

...man. Do we have to have this kind of crap?

No... it is good that a muslim reveals the blood thirsty nature of his religion. The more they reveal crap like this the better.


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The works of muhammad are known, terror and bloodshead and lies.

Known how? What works, do you even know the names of the books of Sunnah? The Prophet (s) did not right any books since we was illerate.


No... it is good that a muslim reveals the blood thirsty nature of his religion. The more they reveal crap like this the better.


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It is even better when you reveal your own bloodthirsty nature. You do not realize this, but it is you who is hating, not us.

Also the quote is about the Zionist army of the Anti-Christ who will be made up of mainly Jews. However, many Jews and Christians will embrace Islam when the Holy Messiah Jesus (s) will come to the earth.

No one can prove Jesus died, have you found his grave yet?

Also anyone reading this, ignore GeoffP.

Allah guide you. Peace.

Known how? What works, do you even know the names of the books of Sunnah? The Prophet (s) did not right any books since we was illerate.

Since we was illerate? I think you still might be.

It is even better when you reveal your own bloodthirsty nature. You do not realize this, but it is you who is hating, not us.

Well, sure. Because Christians and Jews and Westerners really want to go and destroy islam for no reason whatever. Because Westerners want to kill apostates and Jews and homosexuals. Because Christian religious leaders preach death to muslims every Sunday. And because Christians riot and murder over cartoons of Christ, and hang sixteen year-old girls who get raped by their uncles and mouth off at judges. Sure thing. Absolutely.

No one can prove Jesus died, have you found his grave yet?

No one can prove Mohammed ascended, have you found his lift-off site yet? :D Did Gabriel come back for a chat to prove that he really talked to Mo-Mo? Has anyone bred that flying camel he conveniently rode to Jerusalem and back? That would be one hell of a useful genetic improvement, speaking livestock-wise.

Also anyone reading this, ignore GeoffP.

LMAO! If you don't like my POV, debate me.

Geoff

I think I know exactly which "evidence" you're referring to and it's associated with Harun Yahya (Adnan Oktar). I've debunked it elsewhere, so if you wanted to post it I don't think it would be very helpful to your cause.

That was an interesting comment on the "angels of heaven" bit, but that 144,000 number looks more like it was pulled out of the air. Come on, divine numerology is nonsense.

Geoff


Its not from Haroon Yahya. Its from Dr Zakir Nik 1267 Christians converted that day to Islam. Even the guy he was debating with converted a week later.

Christians can talk all the smack the want to talk about Islam. I think its they just want to finger their daughters. Hay didn't in the bible two girls get their father drunk and then fucked him? wow the bible should be made into a porn movie!!! with all that incest and stuff. No wonder redneck in Texas get married to their sisters.

101 Clear

Contradictions in the Bible:
http://islamway.com/english/images/library/contradictions.htm

Christians can talk all the smack the want to talk about Islam. I think its they just want to finger their daughters. Hay didn't in the bible two girls get their father drunk and then fucked him? wow the bible should be made into a porn movie!!! with all that incest and stuff. No wonder redneck in Texas get married to their sisters.

More bad news I wasn't able to find any evidence for a trend of inbreeding in Texas but I did find some other articles

This is a google first page result with the search criteria "inbreeding in texas"

Inbreeding, Linebreeding, and Outcrossing in Texas Longhorns (http://home.austin.rr.com/doublehelix/defects.html)

They don't have much habitat to roam in the South. I believe that the lack of toes in Southern Bigfoot is the result of inbreeding," says Chester Moore Jr. of Orange, Texas, a free-lance outdoor writer. (http://www.texasbigfoot.com/fwstel1.html)

a few others on Gazelles in the zoo and horses were also to be found.

"inbreeding in the american population" results in pretty much the same animal stories and plant germination tales.

If you enter "inbreeding in arab populations" it yields the following first page results.

Among Palestinian Arabs the rate of consanguinity is very high and some 44.3% of the marriages are between relatives (http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/47538/ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0)

I have now examined the effects of inbreeding on cognitive performance in an Arab population with a high rate of consanguinous marriage which minimised the distortions due to non-genetic variables (http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v266/n5601/abs/266440a0.html)

Although, Arabs consist of heterogeneous groups and many isolates, they share many common characteristics with important influence on their genetic constitution. These include: high rates of inbreeding or consanguineous marriage, elevated birth rates, child bearing in older maternal age and lack of public health measures directed at the control and prevention of congenital and genetically determined disorders (1). All these factors make genetic and congenital disorders responsible for a considerable proportion of perinatal and neonatal mortalities in Arab populations (http://nar.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/34/suppl_1/D602)

Enter "inbreeding in pakistan" and you get these on the first page.

The prevalence of consanguineous marriages was studied in 940 families belonging to four different socio-economic groups in and around Lahore, Pakistan. The births occurring in these families from September 1984 to March 1987 were also investigated for birth defects. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8219463&dopt=Citation)

The impact of consanguinity and inbreeding on perinatal mortality in Karachi, Pakistan (http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/links/doi/10.1046/j.1365-3016.1998.00146.x)

Data on patterns of consanguineous marriage were collected from 5340 families resident in eight cities in the Pakistan province of Punjab. To assess whether social and/or occupational class was interacting with consanguinity, information also was obtained on the hereditary qaum to which each family belonged. In the present generation 46.5% of all marriages were contracted at the level of second cousin or closer, with an average coefficient of inbreeding (F) of 0.0286, and the results indicated that in each of the seventeen qaums there was strong preference for marriage to a close biological relative. However, significant differences existed in the distribution of consanguineous marriage by qaum membership, which could interfere with the interpretation of studies into the biological effects of inbreeding (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8200883&dopt=Citation)

People who live in glass houses etc etc.

Its not from Haroon Yahya. Its from Dr Zakir Nik 1267 Christians converted that day to Islam. Even the guy he was debating with converted a week later.

Laughable. I've seen the evidence, and it's bogus. Post if you like, but don't say I didn't warn you later.

Geoff

NCBI, Nature - hard to argue with those sources.

Geoff

He got blasted

Damn silly mystics really buy into all this Bull shit, don't they? LOL..Idiots.

There have always been secret organizations throughout the world, and plenty mysticism mixed in with their idealogy and origins of BS. ofcourse.

Secret Organizations (http://home.earthlink.net/~promethean/secrets.html)

The U.S.A. was founded ..."In God We Trust".

WRONG! The US didn't start putting in their money "in god we trust" till way latter than when it was founded.

As usual Visitor is full of shit :bugeye:

US treasury history (http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.shtml)

Godless

WRONG! The US didn't start putting in their money "in god we trust" till way latter than when it was founded.

As usual Visitor is full of shit :bugeye:

Godless

Didn't say it was connected to money, you did.
The founding fathers based the constitution on biblical principles they got from the bible.

You have to add something I didn't say to my post ...to call me a liar.
Now who's full of what.....?
Or I guess in your case, Godless...
Who's "lacking" what...? would be more to the point. :rolleyes:

Heres my post he's "dweebin'" on folks...

The eye in the pyramid is "The Great Seal" of God.
The great pyramid was built before the flood by Enoch and the sons of god to reflect the plan of the future salvation of mankind.
Thats what a so- called "Egyptian" pyramid is doing on the back of a one dollar bill.
The U.S.A. was founded ..."In God We Trust".
The other emblem on the right side of the one dollar bill is the seal
"Of the United States", with 13 arrows, she had 13 colonies ect....
They are separate..."The Great Seal", and "Of The United States".
are two different things.

Thats the "rest" of the story.

Muslim, Dr. Zaker Naik is really something masha allah. He is always on ARY digital specials if you watch the tv. He is very knowledgeable and is great at arguing scholars, he is a student of Ahmad Deedat, ina lilahi wa ina ilayhi rajioon. Allah bless them both.

For all the rest of you here is the links to his website:

http://www.drzakirnaik.com/

http://www.irf.net/irf/main.htm

Peace

The founding fathers based the constitution on biblical principles they got from the bible.

Yep! it's confirmed your an idiot!.

** The Faith of our Founding Fathers, by Dean Worbois
No one disputes the faith of our Founding Fathers. To speak of unalienable Rights being endowed by a Creator certainly shows a sensitivity to our spiritual selves. What is surprising is when fundamentalist Christians think the Founding Fathers' faith had anything to do with the Bible. Without exception, the faith of our Founding Fathers was deist, not theist. It was best expressed earlier in the Declaration of Independence, when they spoke of "the Laws of Nature" and of "Nature's God."

In a sermon of October 1831, Episcopalian minister Bird Wilson said,

Among all of our Presidents, from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism.

The Bible? Here is what our Founding Fathers wrote about Bible-based Christianity:

Thomas Jefferson:

I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.
SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS,
by John E. Remsburg, letter to William Short**

learn your history dumb ass! (http://www.postfun.com/pfp/worbois.html)

Godless

Known how? What works, do you even know the names of the books of Sunnah? The Prophet (s) did not right any books since we was illerate.

I know islam is a lie because it goes against the teachings of Jesus. Just as i know many supposedly "christian" religions are lies because they go against the teachings of Jesus.



It is even better when you reveal your own bloodthirsty nature. You do not realize this, but it is you who is hating, not us.

Bloodthirsty nature? I am a follower of the Messiah Jesus and that means i will never take part in combat so how am i going to kill, Liar. You are right i hate islam. I hate all false teaching in relation to God. Lies about God should be hated by those who love the truth. Ask the little innocent school children of beslan who experienced well aimed bursts of automatic weapons fire from "holy" islamic warriors as they tried to flee their school already injured by the bomb blast that smashed many of their friends bodies, They will tell you who the haters are.



No one can prove Jesus died, have you found his grave yet?

What a weak statement. Jesus has no grave. He is risen and will come again to judge the world.



Allah guide you. Peace.

peace????? More lies. The koran says that you should not be my friend, It says never be friends with Christians, so do not insult me with this lie of wishing me peace. I already have peace, the peace of Jesus. Here i will wish something for you and it is not a lie but genuine.

May you be forgiven. You who have embraced the lie of islam.


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Ask the little innocent school children of beslan who experienced well aimed bursts of automatic weapons fire from "holy" islamic warriors as they tried to flee their school already injured by the bomb blast that smashed many of their friends bodies, They will tell you who the haters are.

what about all those 'christians' who have killed many people 'in the name of god'?

not everyone who says he follows god, does.

you're ignorant about islam, just like muslims are ignorant about christianity.

Yep! it's confirmed your an idiot!.

** The Faith of our Founding Fathers, by Dean Worbois
No one disputes the faith of our Founding Fathers. To speak of unalienable Rights being endowed by a Creator certainly shows a sensitivity to our spiritual selves. What is surprising is when fundamentalist Christians think the Founding Fathers' faith had anything to do with the Bible. Without exception, the faith of our Founding Fathers was deist, not theist. It was best expressed earlier in the Declaration of Independence, when they spoke of "the Laws of Nature" and of "Nature's God."

In a sermon of October 1831, Episcopalian minister Bird Wilson said,

Among all of our Presidents, from Washington downward, not one was a professor of religion, at least not of more than Unitarianism.

The Bible? Here is what our Founding Fathers wrote about Bible-based Christianity:

Thomas Jefferson:

I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth.
SIX HISTORIC AMERICANS,
by John E. Remsburg, letter to William Short**

learn your history dumb ass! (http://www.postfun.com/pfp/worbois.html)

Godless
You don't understand, being an atheist,... the difference between true christianty, and the false church which murdered 68 miilion during the great inquisition.(the "dark"ages)
That is why we came to America to establish freedom of religion apart from the opppression that existed in Europe.
Your web site provided proves nothing, since your information is out of context.

what about all those 'christians' who have killed many people 'in the name of god'?

not everyone who says he follows god, does.

you're ignorant about islam, just like muslims are ignorant about christianity.

I agree with you on most of what you said.

However, the majority of Muslims know alot more about Christianity than many Christians know about Islam. Our Prophet Muhammad (s) has commanded us to learn of the cultures and practices of other people and respect them. He said speak out when injustice is done to others, and wish mercy on those who stand for justice.

Even if I disagree with Adstar personally, I respect his religion and I believe Christianity is a just religion and divine religion.

Islam teaches compassion and peace, even those who try to hurt you with words. Islam is the ultimate truth and is the only way to perfection of a person. This is what we Muslims believe.

I believe anyone is free to believe what they want and is only questionable to Allah (swt), not men.

And I really mean this. Peace.

You don't understand, being an atheist,... the difference between true christianty

Being an atheist does not make it incapable for me to understand it. Yes I understand just fine. The website was very relevant as it stated, most of foundingfathers were deist, not theists. There's a difference you know :rolleyes:

What the hell is "true christianity" the kind that murders abortion doctors in front of their clinic? The kind that stand in front of porno shops, are these the "true christians" you speak off? The kind that follow any number of variant in 33000 different sects of christianity? What the hell is a "True Christian!!"

Let me give you an example of a true Christian: Clikc (http://www.somareview.com/mostfamouschristian.cfm)

Godless

what about all those 'christians' who have killed many people 'in the name of god'?

not everyone who says he follows god, does.

Statements like this drive me crazy. Why do you call Christians people who do not follow the teachings of the Messiah Jesus? It is like saying the Chinese imperialists who colonised Africa in the 18th century. Nooooo they where not Chinese that where Europeans, get it.

A Christian cannot engage in combat. Once a Christian engages in Combat then He is breaking a teaching of Jesus. Therefore he or she is no longer a Christian. Its like calling prostitutes virgins.



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Why do you call Christians people who do not follow the teachings of the Messiah Jesus?

I was just wondering why you call people Muslims who don't follow the teachings of Islam?

You know, I've heard that Islam is a religion of peace. But maybe I'm just ignorant about it.

Adstar, Lucifer is the morning star, the lightbringer, the holy ghost.

Revelation 22:16: I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.

2 Peter 1:19: And we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your heartsc7ityi_, Jesus is the morning star. I think I've read that He took Lucifers place as the morning star since Lucifer rebelled against God. Couldn't find that part in the Bible just now, but I'm pretty sure it is there.

But you have this;

Revelations 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things for the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright, the morning star.


Then how come you see Lucifer as the morning star when it says clearly Jesus is the morning star?

I was just wondering why you call people Muslims who don't follow the teachings of Islam?

You know, I've heard that Islam is a religion of peace. But maybe I'm just ignorant about it.

Islam is not only a religion, Islam is a way of life. A way of life includes commandments on how to live life. Islam tells when it is proper to be at war, and when it is proper to be at peace. Islam is an all encompassing religion including all aspects of life.


Quran 2:190. Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.

Peace.

Then how come you see Lucifer as the morning star when it says clearly Jesus is the morning star?

In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star.

Many Christians say Lucifer is the morning star. I think it's because of Isaiah 14:12-15

For Christians Lucifer has become identical to satan, although he was actually the lightbringer, but later turned into 'Noctifer'. Like the morningstar, venus. It rises on the morning, and brings the great sunlight, then it brings darkness again.

Islam is not only a religion, Islam is a way of life. A way of life includes commandments on how to live life. Islam tells when it is proper to be at war, and when it is proper to be at peace. Islam is an all encompassing religion including all aspects of life.

Atheism does not teach or condone war.

Atheism does not teach or condone war.
i am curious. name me the religious wars in the last 80 years?

Do your own research.

I think That we should GIVE all the Muslims and Christians their land over their in Africa. And we will pack them both with weapons..... :) And let them Figure this out one their own, While the rest of us Go about our Own business knowing that the two will destroy each other... so why Bother with it? Look at em... "Im Right" !! "NO Im RIGHT".!! Like Whiney ass little babies.. You don't see Buddhists doing this Do you... You Don't See Atheists Doing it. Hell an Agnostic BEHAVES More "Christian" Then Most Christians Do!
Now, PLEASE Can't Religions just go Find a Cold desolate spot and fight it out with each other and the leave the rest of every one else alone? Both Muslim and Christians Place "claim" on this "Peace" issue... and those of us who aren't Muslim or Christian are the ones actually Living it... Catching on yet?? you Don't See any of Us on a "Crusade" or a "holy war" Preaching any thing... Soo Or Ho'ing Down any of you for not living up to Our standards... So... Get out Of Our Countries, Go to your "holy lands" .... And Bring lots of bombs For each other :) OH! and PLEASE video Tape it so those of us who aren't STUPID have something to laugh about and teach our children

The only reason you would think this is because of western secular brainwasting telling you somehow that the religions of Islam and Christianity are guilty for war. Most wars are political in nature and only have minor rleigious dimensions.

What makes you believe that Muslims and Christians want to fight each other? The US only invaded the Muslim world for oil, it has nothing to do with religion, infact its anti-religion.

I doubt you know much of the history of Islam, but ofcourse, everyone (even people not qualified to) have to say something to deride religious people.

Some people would love it if Muslims did nothing, and just allowed themselves to be conquered (especially Israelis and Americans). However, Islam teaches us to stand up for ourselves and fight of invaders. Islam is the best religion ever in humanity, its commands are empowerment of the weak and justice for those who desire good in the land, and opposition to those who oppress the people.

As long as we have the true spirit of Islam, our people will continue to rise and the flags of revolution and resistance will rise in our occupied lands. We have every right, divine and inherent, to fight those who try to conquer us and we will fully utilize this right. We desire to rule ourselves by the ways we chose, not to be dictated by the West or anyone else. We will obtain this right, by the grace of Allah (swt).

Peace.

Islam is not only a religion, Islam is a way of life. A way of life includes commandments on how to live life.

In this we agree - islam indeed appears to be an all-encompassing directive on how to live; a directive that brooks no refusal, no modification, no deviation.

Of course, this has nothing to do with any claim to goodness on its part, or Freemasons, to which this thread pertains.

Geoff

However, the majority of Muslims know alot more about Christianity than many Christians know about Islam. Our Prophet Muhammad (s) has commanded us to learn of the cultures and practices of other people and respect them.

Well this certainly explains why shirk is considered the most abominable crime in islam, and why it's attributed to Christians.

Geoff

What makes you believe that Muslims and Christians want to fight each other?

Sura 9.

Some people would love it if Muslims did nothing, and just allowed themselves to be conquered (especially Israelis and Americans). However, Islam teaches us to stand up for ourselves and fight of invaders. Islam is the best religion ever in humanity, its commands are empowerment of the weak and justice for those who desire good in the land, and opposition to those who oppress the people.

Unless such people are apostates, non-muslims, or homosexuals, in which case they must be repressed.

We desire to rule ourselves by the ways we chose, not to be dictated by the West or anyone else.

And you can honestly claim that all muslims feel as you do, when the penalty for changing religion and/or seeking change is death?

You need to rethink things a little.

Geoff

The Power Of the belief System Is Incredible.
It can make people Physically endure things that with out this "Mind set" they would not be able to or willing to, Do..
I think the Author, Robertson Davies Said it Correctly when Stated ""Be sure to choose what you believe and know why you believe it, because if you don't choose your beliefs, you may be certain that some belief, and probably not a very creditable one, will choose you.
What all this means is that a person should embrace ideas and beliefs that sit well with him or her at the present time, whilst keeping in mind that as awareness about reality expands with the advent of new experiences, so must one's concept of reality change accordingly..
no One Should Push any one Belief as Truth For "all", Or Else. And within The Christian and Muslim Society's, and many Chains Leading from those Beliefs, You will find Many Who will absolutely Push their Belief So hard that They will Kill another Being in the Name of that "god"...
Imagine If The Majority Of the People in the World Had the Full "belief" that Pedophilia Was Right. There For taking away any Physical Rights an innocent Child may have away. Imagine being Forced into THEIR Belief system because your Government Deems It So. To be disgusted, or say No Is a Crime and you will be Punished Accordingly. That is how most Religions Work. There are Southern Baptists Fighting Catholics, and Muslim fighting Other Muslim "groups" all in a Name of a God and a religion that hasn't shown up For any one in Physical Form, or with Miracles abound to Save and tell any of us Whether we are right or Wrong. The Experience behind the Belief System Is Unique to each and every one Of us. Believe what One will, but when it invades another's belief system, or lack of, Then Harm has been Done Period. And That is Wrong. If it's not Asked Of You, You should not Give it. Do Un to Others as you would have Others Do Unto You... Etc... That is common sense. And We should ALL Be Civil Enough to give each other room and Space as Equals. Any one who Does NOT do that, Is WRONG PERIOD

Do your own research.
(Q)....i simply asked you to name me te religious wars of the last 80 yars---you couldhave chosen several--so as to back up your assertion. your discourteous response makes me think you feel of shit.

However, Islam teaches us to stand up for ourselves and fight of invaders. Islam is the best religion ever in humanity, its commands are empowerment of the weak and justice for those who desire good in the land, and opposition to those who oppress the people.

As long as we have the true spirit of Islam, our people will continue to rise and the flags of revolution and resistance will rise in our occupied lands. We have every right, divine and inherent, to fight those who try to conquer us and we will fully utilize this right. We desire to rule ourselves by the ways we chose, not to be dictated by the West or anyone else. We will obtain this right, by the grace of Allah (swt).

A militant religion for a barbaric warring people. Perfect fit.

It is quite interesting to note, Muslims did not invade the West, but it is the West which invaded Muslim countries and other nations.

Who is barbaric is subject to history, and this proves that the West is far more barbaric and heartless than any other culture on earth. It is time to recognize your failings and guilt and leave Iraq, Afghanistan and the rest of aspiring world alone.

It is quite interesting to note, Muslims did not invade the West, but it is the West which invaded Muslim countries and other nations.

Who is barbaric is subject to history, and this proves that the West is far more barbaric and heartless than any other culture on earth. It is time to recognize your failings and guilt and leave Iraq, Afghanistan and the rest of aspiring world alone.
So, Then Could you Please Explain the 9'11 Situation? And explain a jihad?

9/11 was a ploy by the government to get fools to believe that Muslims want to somehow kill them because they (get this) hate their way of life and freedom. A lie only fools would believe.

The American government orchastrated 9/11 to further their ambitions in the Muslim world.

Let's look at who got most out of 9/11?

Obviously the US who received Afghan which is bordering Pakistan and Iran and Central Asian republics. America allowed US permanent bases in Central Asian nations and control and influence of Pakistan's internal affairs. Afghanistan is currently being used to put pressure on Pakistan and Iran.

Invading Iraq gave the US large oil deposits and allowed them to exert pressure on Syria and Iran, also eliminated one of Israel's major threats from the region.

It should be obvious.

It is quite interesting to note, Muslims did not invade the West, but it is the West which invaded Muslim countries and other nations.

And the attempted islamicization of the Balkans and Spain, to say nothing of the Latin East, was - what? A navigational error?

Geoff

9/11 was a ploy by the government to get fools to believe that Muslims want to somehow kill them because they (get this) hate their way of life and freedom. A lie only fools would believe.

As the Quran says:

"Bring your proofs, if ye be truthful."

And don't you yourself rail against the kind of freedoms Westerners have? Don't you say that the "natural state" of mankind is in slavery to this god of yours?

Is it hard, arguing out of both sides of your mouth? With one side you deny; the other, decry.

Geoff

my dad was a free-mason.

Will they kill me for saying this? Does he serve the devil or anything?

DiamondHearts has a Valid Point here........... You Can't Group "Muslim" and Expect that they all Practice the same thing. Its another Simple Case of All Poodles are Dogs, but not all Dogs are Poodles. So! Lets Take ALL the EXTREMISTS and Oil Hungry "bush's" Out there, Set them Free in the Sahara with Weapons and Figure this out on their own *Wink*... Sound better?

I was just wondering why you call people Muslims who don't follow the teachings of Islam?

You know, I've heard that Islam is a religion of peace. But maybe I'm just ignorant about it.

Read the Quotes from the Koran the extremist Muslims who go out and spread terror upon the infidels ARE TRUE Muslims because they are following the commands of the Koran to engage in Jihad. The false Muslims are the ones who do not engage in Jihad. They are the ones that twist their Koran so that they can avoid being killers. So it is the exact opposite to Christianity. True Christians follow the call of Jesus not to engage in warfare but false Christians rebel against the Word of God and take part in warfare.

So

True Christian: peaceful Loving enemies follows the call of Jesus.
False Christian: violent warrior Kills the unbelievers

True Muslim: violent warrior kills the unbelievers follows the call of muhammad.
False Muslim: peaceful loving enemies.

Of course not all Muslims are blood thirsty lovers of war, because not all muslims are muslims.



All Praise The Ancient Of Days

It is quite interesting to note, Muslims did not invade the West, but it is the West which invaded Muslim countries and other nations.

Who is barbaric is subject to history, and this proves that the West is far more barbaric and heartless than any other culture on earth. It is time to recognize your failings and guilt and leave Iraq, Afghanistan and the rest of aspiring world alone.

Amazing how brain washed some people are. islamic invaders almost made it to Paris, Venice and Vienna. They subjugated many European peoples under their terror.

What a compulsive liar.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

DiamondHearts has a Valid Point here........... You Can't Group "Muslim" and Expect that they all Practice the same thing. Its another Simple Case of All Poodles are Dogs, but not all Dogs are Poodles. So! Lets Take ALL the EXTREMISTS and Oil Hungry "bush's" Out there, Set them Free in the Sahara with Weapons and Figure this out on their own *Wink*... Sound better?

I agree that not all muslims are extremist, but there is an undercurrent of extremism and religious fascism there that's staggering.

Geoff

I agree that not all muslims are extremist, but there is an undercurrent of extremism and religious fascism there that's staggering.

Geoff
VERY TRUE! :D

Amazing how brain washed some people are. islamic invaders almost made it to Paris, Venice and Vienna. They subjugated many European peoples under their terror.

What a compulsive liar.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
hey Where The hell Have YOU been For the Past Two thousand Years?? Uhm.. Did you Hear about this Strange thing Called the CRUSADES? Done in the Name Of Jesus?Or Maybe the Inquisitions?... SALEM Witch Trials Any one??... All Done in the Name of CHRISTIANITY??.............. So Your a Stupid Hypocrite Adstar, Do you Think Jesus Would really be happy about you Boast your self so highly?? I mean.. your not Being very Christian now ARE YOU.... *Cooing Like a baby*.... Please.. You have To Trash Muslims to Hide the Shame Of the past Two Hundred years done under the name of Jesus Christ. Don't Even try to Go there. At least Diamond has Things to Backup the statements Made... But incase you missed this Lesson in Sunday School Heres some Quotes from YOUR Bible Maybe you will remember them, then you Re question your OWN Faith and Behavior Before you Attack any one else's belief with.. BULL SHIT>... You Smell that? because that Pile is Half Coming from you.

The Bible, Matthew 17:20: Bible Quotes
I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, "Move from here to there" and it will move.

The Bible, 1 John 3:18 NRSV: Bible Quotes
Let us love, not in word or speech, but in truth and action.

The Bible, Judges 5:31: Bible Quotes
May they who love you be like the sun when it rises in its strength.

Jonathan Swift: Bible Quotes
May you live all the days of your life.

The Bible, Job 34:3 NIV: Bible Quotes
The ear tests words as the tongue tastes food.

Jesus: Bible Quotes
The kingdom of Heaven is within you...

Should I go on?

Adstar, I respect your religion and I admire Prophet Jesus (peace be to him) as a true prophet of God and an example to all.

However, it is wrong for you to say who is a true Muslim and who is an evil Muslim.

How much do you actually know about Islam? And don't say just enough to know it is wrong.

Let me tell you what I believe.

Good Human being = those who are without bigotry, racism, prejudice and enjoin good and forbid evil

Good Christian = a Good Human being who believes in Christianity and the Bible as the word of God

Good Jew = a Good Human being who believes in Judaism and the Torah as the word of G-d

Good Muslim = a Good Human being who believes in Islam and the Quran as the word of Allah

Just so you get it, Allah = Yehweh = Jehovah = Elohim = God

Peace

Here's the actual truth about the freemasons:
They are a group descended from the masonry guilds of the middle ages. They have no real connection to the knights templar. There is no illuminati involving the masons.
If there is an illuminati, what the fuck would construction workers be doing in it? :p

Seriously, the bickering and about a "conspiracy" and "new order" involving the masons and jews is getting a bit old, and not to mention retarded.

In Roman astronomy, Lucifer was the name given to the morning star.

Many Christians say Lucifer is the morning star. I think it's because of Isaiah 14:12-15

For Christians Lucifer has become identical to satan, although he was actually the lightbringer, but later turned into 'Noctifer'. Like the morningstar, venus. It rises on the morning, and brings the great sunlight, then it brings darkness again.Lucifer was the morning star, but I think since he was outcast from heaven, Jesus took his place, and Lucifer, before one of Gods brightest angels, became the devil.

However, it is wrong for you to say who is a true Muslim and who is an evil Muslim.

Good Human being = those who are without bigotry, racism, prejudice and enjoin good and forbid evil

Good Christian = a Good Human being who believes in Christianity and the Bible as the word of God

Good Jew = a Good Human being who believes in Judaism and the Torah as the word of G-d

Good Muslim = a Good Human being who believes in Islam and the Quran as the word of Allah

But those definitions leave much room for harm. Who gets to define evil? You? You want to kill gay people and apostates, and you don't seem too keen on Jews, either. You say that isn't evil?

If it's wrong for Adstar to say who's a good muslim and an evil one, how can you possibly hope to construct parameters for a good Christian, or a good Jew, or a good human. Moreover, only your definition of a good human includes a rejoinder against evil. That's some very slippery sliding room, legalist.

And actually the Elohim are supposed to be angels, not god.

Geoff

That was truely an amusing bit of fiction thanks quelque.

However, it is wrong for you to say who is a true Muslim and who is an evil Muslim.

Isn't it a contradiction in terms to have an "evil Muslim?"

How much do you actually know about Islam? And don't say just enough to know it is wrong.

One of the many things you fail to understand is that some here know a lot about Islam, long before you came here. It has been a religion recently placed under a microscope for serious scrutiny. We also know a lot about the history of Islam, which despite your denials, is far from any just or noble way of life.

Let me tell you what I believe.

Good Human being = those who are without bigotry, racism, prejudice and enjoin good and forbid evil

No, this is not what you believe as it contradicts everthing you've said thus far. A good human being, with any brains in their head, would never consider Islam as a way of life as it is devoid of any rationale or reason. It is simply slavery to an imaginary god and a way to justify anything you want that suits your needs of the moment.

Good Christian = a Good Human being who believes in Christianity and the Bible as the word of God

Good Jew = a Good Human being who believes in Judaism and the Torah as the word of G-d

As was already pointed out, you can't tell someone else it's wrong for them to say who is a good Muslim and who is not when you sit there telling us who is a good Christian or Jew and who is not. You're a fucking hypocrite.

Good Muslim = a Good Human being who believes in Islam and the Quran as the word of Allah

No, a good Muslim is not necessarily a good human being, which has already been shown throughout Islams murderous and barbaric history.

And of course, anyone who doesn't believe in Islam is an infidel who should be killed, according to the Qu'ran. So, according to what you've been telling us all along, the only good people are those devote to Islam, the rest are evil.

Isn't it a contradiction in terms to have an "evil Muslim?"



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Not One Way Is perfect.But Could you imagine if some one who Stood for every thing opposite you came into your home and Beat you Until their ways were met? There was never PROOF that it was Muslims, let alone ALL Muslims. Any one Can Lay Claim on a "Group" or a Belief and interpret it the way they want it interpreted... But the Bottom Line is When Some one Else's beliefs strike and Harm another who does not believe, then isn't it "Obvious" who is "Evil"??? So There are Bad People in Every groups. It seems Convenient to Place Blame on an Entire "group", That way you an just take them ALL out with out having to Pick apart Who is Doing the Actual Harm. It's Bending Views to Match your Own And then Forcing them onto Others Who Have no Concept of your View. So Wouldn't it be Easier if Troops just left this "War"... There are Extremists in Every "group".. But When a Way, or a Belief is Forced on another person then that line has been Crossed.... We Need to Stop playing a name Game On Religion, And start looking at the Obviousness of the Truly BAD things that are happening.... I can't Stress Enough about the Serious Crimes Done Unto the Jews, Do We Really Need to Repeat that With Muslims? If a Society Is sick enough to Do that again, than chances are, just like the 3 Reich(SP??), they will turn in on You Later.... We can't Go in Blaming any "group".. There has to be another way before all this, that we know, is Gone forever. History is Repeating it'sellf... Openly and in our Faces. Its a Matter of time when your Beliefs are brought Down as well because they Do not match that of the Powerful. Face it We have been Lied too By Bush Over and Over.. From the First Elections to Now. He defies the UN, He has No Proof with the Claims He has Made. And we Are Still Freaking about Muslims? Think... Its Right there, in Our Faces. Putting Beliefs aside For now, and attacking the Obvious is what we should be Doing. Before it's To late for all of us.

Any one Can Lay Claim on a "Group" or a Belief and interpret it the way they want it interpreted... But the Bottom Line is When Some one Else's beliefs strike and Harm another who does not believe, then isn't it "Obvious" who is "Evil"??? So There are Bad People in Every groups. It seems Convenient to Place Blame on an Entire "group", That way you an just take them ALL out with out having to Pick apart Who is Doing the Actual Harm. It's Bending Views to Match your Own And then Forcing them onto Others Who Have no Concept of your View.

It is the believers who are doing the interpreting. They interpret myths as reality and then go on to make it a way of life. And they can interpret those myths anyway they wish. THAT is pure evil.

I think the whole thing Should stop.. :(

It will stop when nobody believes anymore.

I couldn't agree with you more.

is there a way to make it stop? Seriously.. How Do you stop somthing like this?

The only way to stop god fantasies is with education.

Two words, South Park. ;)

Your both Probly right :) Lol.. I meant.. Is there a way to make People agree that they disagree with out fighting it?

There can be no agreement amongst theists. They believe in their gods over and above anything worldly and would rather die for their gods than their fellow man. Nature and all that encompasses reality means nothing to them as it is merely a stepping stone to an imaginary afterlife in heaven.

What's worse, is that all theists have their own interpretation of what their gods should represent, so they disagree with one another as well.

"My god can beat up your god any day of the week!"

It would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous.

Problem is believers usually have a very warped view of the world in favour of thier particular faith, just look at the nonsense they spew

I Hear that For sure. But Say if We Just wanted it to stop. you know Let them have their beliefs whether or not I like or dislike them.. We wont Take the "believer" Out Of Belief, But the Sad truth is, we all share this planet together. Isn't there a way to make One side "stop" before it does unrecoverable Damage? Like If we can all Agree with each other that we Don't have the same Views, and that's ok! Period. and those Who Fight their Beliefs onto Others should be Ganged up on. Is that possible?

Nope, we either all work together as a team towards the same goals, that of mankind, not gods, or we destroy each other.

Religion divides people.

HERE HERE..........*Raising Toast*
I have met some people who practice their faith with out interfering with any one else. So I know that that is possible. So We are at a Loss as a species Now? Have we No more hope until the Idea of beleif is Proven Or Disproven once and For all?

Look at symbols as much as you like, but nothing you say about the masons makes any sense what so ever until you ask the key question. And that question is "WHY?"

Why? To take over the world for sure! :rolleyes:

Why? To take over the world for sure! :rolleyes:

Hey - hey!...

Get in line. I was here first. :bugeye:

Geoff

I Hear that For sure. But Say if We Just wanted it to stop. you know Let them have their beliefs whether or not I like or dislike them.. We wont Take the "believer" Out Of Belief, But the Sad truth is, we all share this planet together. Isn't there a way to make One side "stop" before it does unrecoverable Damage? Like If we can all Agree with each other that we Don't have the same Views, and that's ok! Period. and those Who Fight their Beliefs onto Others should be Ganged up on. Is that possible?

I couldn't agree more. That's a great position. I wish people could just lighten up and stop being slaves to their primal desires and urges...

...is that avatar a pic of you? Holy moly. :bugeye:

:D

Geoff

and Lucifer, before one of Gods brightest angels, became the devil.
Hey, those christians stole a plotline from Warhammer 40K. Bastards. :D

I couldn't agree more. That's a great position. I wish people could just lighten up and stop being slaves to their primal desires and urges...

...is that avatar a pic of you? Holy moly. :bugeye:


Geoff
:eek: Yea.. thats Me.. Do I have a Boogar hanging out of my Nose? :confused: ..........I think when people can Lighten up, and stop acting so infantile, or even Admit They are acting infantile, things like this " W A R " Can Stop.. well, the war that is happening right now any way. I think the President should have Sent us each a pamphlet with Information and asked us if we were interested in Going to war... Instead of Deciding to do it on His own.. It's not HIS Family Getting Slaughtered over there.. Of course.. I still have to wonder though... Looking back at the way Jews were experimented on (great For Science!).. Any how.. The way they were lied to, and treated.. and No one did any thing in the Beginning. Is that what we are Doing to Muslims? ignoring it? thinking It couldn't happen? I mean, Why Are We Over there at all? there are no Weapons of mass destruction... And we haven't got the Osama Dude... and we are still on their Land... ?? Why?..... All I can see Is another Hitler, and the Muslims Are the Jews.. If we Don't Stop it where its starting it Will Spread to us just like it tore apart Germany and... well, we all know the story...

If it's wrong for Adstar to say who's a good muslim and an evil one, how can you possibly hope to construct parameters for a good Christian, or a good Jew, or a good human. Moreover, only your definition of a good human includes a rejoinder against evil. That's some very slippery sliding room, legalist.

It is my belief that people who are loyal to their religion and love other human beings with racism and prejudice are good religious people. Note that I did not go into specifics.

It's really funny how when some religious person says something good about other religious people, you find fault in it. Are you people that thickheaded.

I was responding to Adstar who said good Muslims dont practice religion will bad muslims do. This does not make any sense to me, who knows Islam and Muslims better than all the Non-Muslim people here.

He has no authority to say who is a good Muslim or bad Muslim because he does not know about Islam or Muslims. How is that so hard to understand?

I never said it was based on his religion. Prophet Jesus (peace to him) taught respect for others and was a great man.

No, a good Muslim is not necessarily a good human being, which has already been shown throughout Islams murderous and barbaric history.

And of course, anyone who doesn't believe in Islam is an infidel who should be killed, according to the Qu'ran. So, according to what you've been telling us all along, the only good people are those devote to Islam, the rest are evil.

And what authority do you have to interpret my religion for me. What qualifications do you have to teach Islam? Any quote for that ridiculous statement 'And of course, anyone who doesn't believe in Islam is an infidel who should be killed, according to the Qu'ran.'?

Making up beliefs and attributing it to Muslims is quite common with you guys.

After calling me a hypocrite for saying I believe people who follow their religions properly are good human beings, you have the audacity to teach me about my religion, without any qualifications, any quotes, any evidence.

I think I understand you guys now, you think like this:

Kindness=Hatred

Knowledge=Ignorance

Plurality=Bigotry

Justice=Injustice

So according to your logic, everything you say is the exact opposite of reality. If one of you says islam is slavery, indeed Islam is freedom.

Peace.

.............. what is evil? And I don't mean your Opinions On evil.. But "Evil" as its self. What is it?

My concept of evil is based on my opinions of what is bad and reflected by my religion and culture. However there are certain things all people can agree on as evil, like cheating, lying, stealing, murder, subjugation, violence, rape, pedophilia, blackmail, gossip, etc.

Peace.

what is evil depends on place and time.

for example stealing... from a very rich man to give to the poor might be good.
and murder... a very evil person to stop him from killing more people.
lying... to keep an important secret from the wrong hands.

but here it also depends on place and time.

the right place to lie to keep an important secret from the wrong hands.

and once again, it depends on place and time.

it goes on to infinity.

.............. what is evil? And I don't mean your Opinions On evil.. But "Evil" as its self. What is it?

Religion & The state! :(

Hhmm..... Yes. That makes Sense. I supose it does Depend on the Situation.

what is evil depends on place and time.

for example stealing... from a very rich man to give to the poor might be good.
and murder... a very evil person to stop him from killing more people.
lying... to keep an important secret from the wrong hands.

but here it also depends on place and time.

the right place to lie to keep an important secret from the wrong hands.

and once again, it depends on place and time.

it goes on to infinity.

I see your point of view, however stealing from rich to poor would not be considered the crime of stealing any longer it would take on a different meaning and gain justification as charity.

Murder would not be considered murder if done for a right cause, it would become justified judicial execution.

Lying would not be considered a crime if protecting someone from harm.

Time in place have a large effect on how evil is percieved, however I think that humanity has a deeper conscience which human beings can inherently differentiate with what is right and what is wrong, but it is society that influences people on change.

I see your point, and i agree with your basic view, but I believe it is more complicated than that.

Peace.

Is it Possible for us a Species to actually Put a stop to what we perceive as Evil? Any thing that Harms another or Our selves. Is it possible That it can be stopped?.

As human beings, no it is not possible because we are an imperfect species which causes pain for ourselves and others around us. We can fight the evil and supress it, but evil cannot be defeated because there will always be men in the world who desire mischief in the land. Only in the end of the world, will Allah (swt) himself cast the devil into eternal torture and its root as the human selfishness which is from the accursed devil. Humanity good naturally, but humanity has a weakness in that they are easily seduced into doing selfish things by even hurting others to get their own desires.

Peace.

hey Where The hell Have YOU been For the Past Two thousand Years?? Uhm.. Did you Hear about this Strange thing Called the CRUSADES? Done in the Name Of Jesus?Or Maybe the Inquisitions?... SALEM Witch Trials Any one??... All Done in the Name of CHRISTIANITY??.............. So Your a Stupid Hypocrite Adstar, Do you Think Jesus Would really be happy about you Boast your self so highly?? I mean.. your not Being very Christian now ARE YOU.... *Cooing Like a baby*.... Please.. You have To Trash Muslims to Hide the Shame Of the past Two Hun