Interesting read. Good summary of some of the unanswered questions:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=127&ncid=742&e=7&u=/020808/7/1zzsm.html

" Why doesn't the Bush Administration want a real investigation of 9-11? The House and Senate, whose intelligence committees are now meeting in private, are considering bills that would set up limited, closed-door independent investigative panels, but Bush has stymied even those watered-down efforts at openness, arguing they "would cause a further diversion of essential personnel from their duties fighting the war." What is he hiding? Americans pay Bush's salary, and Americans deserve to know what he's doing. "

I think your just seeing things that arent really there. Of course I am just a dis-information jockey for the shadow government.:bugeye:

1. A news in July 2001 may reveal that FBI knew the coming hijaking.

Quote, "WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001
Attorney General Ashcroft, with President Bush (AP) "There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines." FBI spokesman (CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart."

"Earlier this week, the Justice Department leased a NASA-owned G-3 Gulfstream for a 6-day trip to Western states. Such aircraft cost the government more than $1,600 an hour to fly. When asked whether Ashcroft was paying for any portion of the trips devoted to personal business, a Justice Department spokeswoman declined to respond. "

"In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term. "

Be noticed the news was on July, 2001, two months before 911. And Janet Reno, Ashcroft's predecessor as attorney general, routinely flew commercial. She didn't enjoy the special benefit of security. Can you explain why?

When FBI is accused of failure to warn the nation of 911 attack, this news revealed they did do something to deal with coming threaten already. Though only to their boss.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

"Maybe the threat was personal, not terror related."

Someone said this might be a personal threaten. But we know a personal threaten to celebrity is used to be assassination, such like President Kennedy's, Martin Luther King's. And a private plane is more vulnerable for a personal threaten, such like Jr. Kennedy, (died in 1999) whose political potential is a nightmare to those who assassinated his father and uncle. Carnaham, former governor of Missori, in campaign for Senator against Mr. Ashcroft,(in 2000) and a Disneyland executive, in campaign for CEO of Disney,(in 1993) were all died in accidents of private plane. Commercial flight's hijacking? In world, we know mostly done by Mid east terrorist. In US domestic flights? So far I know there was none until 911. So it goes back to the topic, how did FBI knew there would be an 'personal threaten' on commercial flights which hadn't happened before?

CBS published the news revealing Ashcroft travelling by charted flight in private tour. It was two months before 911 attack. FBI said it was for 'threaten assessment'. CBS might been punished for that news because it accidently revealed FBI knew hijaking would happen.

On December 2001, I had my opinion in message "My view of anthrax attack". Which talked about the first victim Bob Stevens is likely a revenge target of US celebrities more than a target of terrorist. Now it looks like CBS is the same. Though originally CBS was only pointing at corruption, FBI knew what it could really mean as it now does. CBS was a victim of anthrax attack. CBS Anchor Dan Rather's assistant tested positive of skin form of anthrax. Small trace was found in Rather's office.

Re:My view of anthrax attack

On Sept. 18, taking advantage of 911 WTC bombing, perpetrator mailed letters to NBC news. The anthrax inside was brown granular which might mean perpetrator intending at first not to kill but to intimidate.
Perhaps disappointed with little reaction, they did it again(on Oct. 8), this time with a military grade anthrax. The letter to Senator Daschle and Leahy contained fine, white powder which mixed with a material designed to kill. And a man, Bob Stevens, died of anthrax on Oct. 5. His death caused fear of bio-chem attack nation wide. Anthrax crisis reached its peak on about Oct. 20, then faded away. During the period, it created a situation of bio-attack horror, put a pressure on legislation to pass through "patriot Act" to let Justice Department having more police power, push media and public to support government's war policy and also gave an excuse for government to extend war to Iraq. (The "Patriot Act" was proposed on Sept. 24 and passed in legislature on Oct.24. US started war in Afghan on Oct. 7)

Rosenberg, a biologist, has testified on biological weapons before Congress, has recently published a paper contending that a government insider; or someone in contact with an insider, is behind the lethal attacks." (Excerpt from: San Jose Mercury News, page 9A,Dec. 2,2001. Topic:'Inside job probed in anthrax attack') One official (law enforcement agency) called Rosenberg theory " the most likely hypothesis".

I believe the anthrax attack was done by Federal law enforcement agency. They have motives and resources.
They are the one to be benefitted by the attack. They expanded their power by creating public's fear. They intimidated the media and legislation which are the check and balance to their power. They have the authority to access the secret lab under the name of 'security'. (like the case of Wen Ho Lee.)

And
1. The first victim is an editor of tabloid, a dislike of powerful US celebrities. His wife was the manager of apartments which had been rented to some 911 terrorists. He was possibly under FBI's surveillance. (consider thousand of aliens who even had no relationship to terrorist were detained by FBI)

2. Government released information that Atta visited crop duster aircraft. Hinted Al-quada relating to bio warfare. Matching perpetrators' intention to owe it to 911 terrorists.

3. Government released conflict information. Such like at first they said the material mixed in anthrax was bentonite, purposely to target at Iraq. Then admitted the material was silica, not used by Iraq, but US. It may proved that the perpetrators are not expert, only know little about the anthrax they were using and gave a wrong information when they making use of it.

4. At the same time, government released information that Atta made contact to Iraq diplomat. It matched the theory of bentonite, made Iraq a big suspect.

Most of these information can be only released by intelligence.

5. . Though government said first that there were 30 to 40 places had access to the anthrax and much more people could produce it by cheap equipment, it's only an excuse that they are unwill to find real criminal. The anthrax in Senator's letter is military grade. A fruit of years' research and experiment. And even in US there maybe only one secret lab carrying it. And access to it must be very strict.

6. US rejected a UN resolution condemning the anthrax attack. For what reason they did so if it's done by OBL, Al-quada, or domestic perpetrators? Unless it's done by they themselves.

7. My personal experience told it was a practice of Federal law enforcement agency. From their swift response to my comments. And I think they originally only planned one death(Bob Stevens) to raise the public attention and fear. The later four deaths were cover up to the comment " Least casualties to raise public's scare".

This elected government administration tries to hide something from people. They started a war but failed to give evidence, said that was for safety of informant. Then they want a military tribunal, what secret do they want to keep even they win a war? On Dec. 10, newspaper reported that Russian scientists had helped OBL to produce anthrax. Workshop was bombed away in war, but unknown quantity of anthrax might have been in abroad already. There was no detail, obviously let out by military or intelligence. An attemption to owe anthrax attack to terrorist when they failed to find a scapegoat of lone wolf? Perhaps that's why they limited media's report in Afghan war, and want a secret court. When US is the strongest power in the world, why there are so many things to be hided? If we have reason believe those who being sent to court are guilty, a military court only covers up corrupt government and criminal activities of it's official.

The Federal government is constantly overwhelmed by POSSIBLE terrorist threats. How were they to know 9-11 was any different until it was too late?

I once read something about operation northwoods. It was an aborted NSA project after the Bay of Pigs invasion failed. The plan was the military would make terrorist attacks against american civilians so that cuba could be blamed as an excuse for war. Luckily Kenedy shot it down but it is still possible and is something to think about. :eek:

So that's all Bin Laden's fault that he hadn't given US intelligence a detailed project? How do you explain this one:

3. Atta was under surveillance earlier

Public know little of other 18 terrorists but Atta. He was the most familier one for people among 19 terrorists.Such like his background; his student life in Hamburg, German; "his allergy hands"; "his visiting crop dust plane"; "his visit to Czech"; and his passport was even found two blocks away from WTC after 911 attack....Newspaper called him terrorist leader as if they had taken part in the meeting. But how could they know he was the leader, not the others?

Intelligence always benefited from terrorist attack.(more police power and increased budget) In anthrax attack, they released an information that 911 terrorist leader Atta had made contact to Iraq diplomat. They discussed a plot of bombing US broadcast station. I think the release of information was on purpose that Iraq had connection to terrorist so there was excuse to extend war to Iraq. But this also meant terrorist leader Atta's talking was eavesdropped. And he was under surveillance of intelligence at least as early as this spring. Do you believe that intelligence knew nothing of 911 bombing in advance?

I posted in January that Atta was under surveillance ealier. In April, a news said, " Czech Officials Say Story That Sept. 11 Hijacker Atta Met with Iraqi Agent in Prague May Be Wrong;"

When they need excuse to extend war on Iraq, they let out the news that Atta made contact to Iraq diplomat. Once it becomes an evidence that government knew terror attack in advance, they say it maybe wrong. Both news were let out by intelligence. Its strategy office made conflict information. Which one do you believe?

On 6/6, a news proves what I said is true, Atta did under surveillance

quote, "NSA didn't share key pre-Sept. 11 information, sources say
By JONATHAN S. LANDAY
Knight Ridder Newspapers

WASHINGTON - A secretive U.S. eavesdropping agency monitored telephone conversations before Sept. 11 between the suspected commander of the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks and the alleged chief hijacker, but did not share the information with other intelligence agencies, U.S. officials said Thursday.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the conversations between Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Mohammed Atta were intercepted by the National Security Agency, or NSA, an intelligence agency that monitors and decodes foreign communications.

The NSA failed to share ...."

http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/3416632.htm

Remember, The Federal government is overwelmed by useless information.

If we reacted to every bit of info we would be cronically paralized.

This guy may be crazy but some of his stuff makes sense:

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/index02.htm

Okay no hes just plain crazy......FNORD!

Although they recieve overwhelming amounts of evidence, they had good reason to believe that somebody was going to ram hijacked planes into the WTCs, as evidenced in communications within the bureau.

It takes a piece of paperwork months to bounce around all that beaurocratic ^#&#&&#~! you have to remember.

Originally posted by Clockwood
Remember, The Federal government is overwelmed by useless information.

If we reacted to every bit of info we would be cronically paralized.

Then how do you explain why they picked up the conversation of "tommorrow is zero hour.", "The match is about to begin"? It's a very common one if you don't know who was speaking of this. Some words such like "I'll kill you if you don't come tommorrow.", "We'll defeat them to zero ground tomorrow." They are much stronger words than the privious one, yet it's common for a date or for a sports match. NSA picked up 2 million conversations in each hour. They surely won't translate every bit of them, it's impossible. They have targets. These words were not picked up randomly. Consider they have released so many clues about Atta such like Atta contack Iraq diplomat, Atta's allergy hands, Atta's like in Hamburg, Att visit crop duster plane.... He was under surveillance already. That's why they hastily to investigate the leaking.

And how do you explain this one: (see message follow up. )

The NSA cracked bin Laden's encryption code by February 2001

Even before April, the Bush administration HAD TO KNOW something was up and probably had info that was even more specific than the warnings given above. According to UPI correspondent Richard Sale, by February 2001, the National Security Agency had broken Osama bin Laden's communications encryption system. We know that the encryption was broken because the Bush administration reported AFTER 9/11 that it had intercepted encrypted calls bin Laden made to his mother two days before the attack, saying "In two days, you're going to hear big news, and you're not going to hear from me for a while." If this message was intercepted before the attack, what others were intercepted as well that the Bush administration did NOT reveal? Most likely six-months'-worth of terrorist planning.

http://scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0206/S00071.htm

Mystery informant and evidence

If you still remember when Bush started war in Afghan, they didn't show people the evidence that OBL was behind 911. They said they had evidence, but couldn't make it public for the sake of safety of informant. Now, after eight months, where was that informant and evidence? Was he still with OBL? If so, why couldn't we capture OBL? There is another explanation, they did have evidence that OBL would attack. So there was such "threat assessment" for charted plane. And they need it like 'Perl Harbour' in WW2. They couldn't show it to people otherwise it also revealing they knew attack in advance. Perhaps that's why they want a military court. Perhaps that's why there is little news activity from Afghan. Most we got are from Army's saying. They want to bury the truth forever.

A lot of sources said there were more accomplices involved in OKC bombing. And after Waco event, FBI had penetrated militia organizations. Quote, "Some time prior to the bombing, the DEA planned a raid on Elohim City, from which McVeigh is alleged to have worked out his plans. but the FBI warned the DEA not to make their raid, because the FBI had “an informant in place", That informant seems to have been Strassmeir himself, who was never even sought for questioning… until months later, shortly after he had left the country.
” (http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/aug/06/arwh080601.htm)

The motive of OKC bombing by McVeigh is to revenge government's injustice in Waco. His target was FBI and BATF in Murrah Federal Building. Yet on that day, all staffs of FBI and BATF were absent. They knew the bombing in advance. Other federal employees became scapegoat.

The content of "Patriot Act" which G.A. Ashcroft proposed after 911 attack had been proposed by FBI director Freeh after OKC bombing. Freeh failed to pass his proposal but Ashcroft succeeded. Perhaps with the help of anthrax attack. From two similar terrorist events, we can see the culture of FBI. They value their lives very much, they absented in office on OKC bombing day, they gave a 'threat assessment' for their boss before 911 attack. (fact) They tried to get more police power from the panic of terror attack (motive) and neglected public lives' loss. As a matter of fact, only the huge loss made people give away their civil right to FBI.

BULL SHIT CONSPIRACY THEORIES!

Plus, there was a 9/11 investigation last year.

Plus, there was a 9/11 investigation last year.

But there has never been an investigation by an independent commision.
Do you trust the thugs and lackeys of the bush regime to investigate their own failure, or at worst complicity, with any integrity?

On June 10, Ashcroft announced arrest of Padilla for dirty bomb plot. Then there was an interesting discovery on Padilla in internet. People found he is identical to John Doe, alleged accomplice of McVeigh in OKC bombing. . A coincidence?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/697881/posts

From another angle:

In my opinion, FBI had their informant everywhere. They penetrated militia organization and Arabs too. I think they knew OKC bombing and 911 attack in advance but didn't say it. Because they could benefit from it.

It's no surprise if Padilla could be an informant recruited when he was in jail. (in 91) To work for an Pakistanian food owner two years was the first step to penetrate into Arab world.(in 92, 93) Just think he was with Zubaydah then Zubaydah was arrested in Pakistan. Think government announced much earlier that Al-Quada would use dirty bomb. Also think why government insisted McVeigh acting alone in OKC bombing while a lot of source said there were more accomplice and informant.

Padilla's arrest is unusual. There is no evidence, said only resemble to what Zubaydah's description whom was not considered as cooperating witness. But it made Ashcroft to announce his arrest in Moscow. And also made Bush sign a directive naming him as enemy combatant and put him into military custody until "war against terror" is over.

I don't think it's conspiricy, much worse, I fear it's slow bureacracy, miscommunication and all kinds of people seeing a small part of the picture without someone having the brains to piece it together and having enough authoritie to undertake swift action....

Look at the snipers roundup, if it wasn't for some bright civilian, the several counties still would be giving eachother "jurismydicktion" crap.

I think that is why Bush was convinced by his advisors to give birth to a "super anti-terror" agency which have both the means , the experts and the authority to act fast.

Hell yeah, 9/11 its gone now, leave it alone.

It's certainly one of the most disturbing and important indications that the government knew the attacks of September 11, 2001, were coming. On that morning, National Public Radio

<http://www.npr.org> (NPR) was presenting live coverage of the attacks on its show Morning Edition. Host Bob Edwards went to a reporter in the field-David Welna, NPR's Congressional correspondent-who was in the Capitol building as it was being evacuated. Here is the crucial portion of Welna's report:

I spoke with Congressman Ike Skelton-a Democrat from Missouri and a member of the Armed Services Committee-who said that just recently the Director of the CIA warned that there could be an attack-an imminent attack-on the United States of this nature. So this is not entirely unexpected.

http://www.thememoryhole.org/tenet-911.htm

When I first published "FBI knew terror attack in advance", I got an intimidation:

Quote, "The FBI receives literally hundreds of 'tips' every day. I would suggest that you consider the fact that this administration is operating as if this were wartime, which it essentially is. In these times even the paranoid and conspiratorialist 'warnings' must be handled judiciously.

There is nothing untoward in John Ashcroft's using a private airplane to go on his fishing trip."

That's the point. They need "war times" so they can do whatever they want to do to their dislikes. And who are benefit from this attack? President got high approve rate, intelligence got extended police power, Pentagon got a fat budget. Who are the loser? Civil liberty eroded, budget turned into deficit from surplus. And they even try to tap the social security fund which will face a financial crisis 20 years later. Yet they make this war endless. OBL is still at large. Iraq is on the waiting list. Perhaps Iran.... . Who benefit from it?

Please don't say Israel!.. Mossad gave warning of an attack, but they are always paranoid, and so the U.S. didn't pay much credence to that warning! Who would EVER think that the act would be successful.. I didn't! would you believe it?.. it was crazy enough to work. America got caught with its pants down. Ashcroft is national property, He must be protected. Private Jet is not Scheduled Flights like booked commercial. so its harder for the plane to be downed by a surface to air missile like the kind recently being fired at Israeli jets and U.S military craft. there is less risk to Regular Americans this way also. it makes sense to me!

Anyone who is chosen for that commision to investigate 9/11 will have to bear their soul, finances, their whole life is laid bare! even your Spouse is investigated! who wants to do that? not many people want to open a can of worms and roll it it! to suffer partisan Bickering and political fallout just trying to be neutral and investigate... a circus, pure B/S....Kissenger opted out because he thought investigating him would slow it all down. in Short, good people are dragged through the Mud by the Media and in this case by Party bickering also! its the System at work, as usual, slowing things down! is it any wonder we were unprepared?.....


Besides, no matter what anyone says, Nobody is cold and Calculated enough to crash passenger planes loaded with people into buildings...loaded with people. Nobody can Be THAT Evil!

Is 9/11 an important event? Do America people have the right to demand an investigation on intelligence failure of it? Why it's so difficult to set up an independent commission for it? It seems a powerful group which was only interested in personal affairs such like Lewinsky scandal, but once it touches their own secret, they try to block any investigation even there was a big loss of lives.

Cheney: 'Investigators, Keep Out'
by Michael Isikoff and Tamara Li pper
NEWSWEEK
Issue; 21 October, 2002
The vice president blocks an independent commission to investigate 9-11

NEWSWEEK -- Dick Cheney played a behind-the-scenes role last week in derailing an agreement to create an independent commission to investigate the 9-11 attacks. Last month the White House endorsed the formation of the panel. But on Thursday, hours after congressional negotiators hailed a final deal over the scope and powers of a 9-11 panel, Cheney called House Intelligence Committee chairman Rep. Porter Goss, sources told NEWSWEEK.

<http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/10.23A.911.families.htm>

Originally posted by m0rl0ck
Interesting read. Good summary of some of the unanswered questions:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=127&ncid=742&e=7&u=/020808/7/1zzsm.html

" Why doesn't the Bush Administration want a real investigation of 9-11? The House and Senate, whose intelligence committees are now meeting in private, are considering bills that would set up limited, closed-door independent investigative panels, but Bush has stymied even those watered-down efforts at openness, arguing they "would cause a further diversion of essential personnel from their duties fighting the war." What is he hiding? Americans pay Bush's salary, and Americans deserve to know what he's doing. " There are two many questions out there, some are easier to answer and investigate, and others are difficult and should not be allowed for further investigation.

On the 9/11 FBI arrested 5 individual (verified) whom where filming the twin towers about 15 minutes before the first plane kissed one. The five were later released by diplomatic request from the Israeli embassy, apparently they were members of Israeli special O’s. Very coincidental!

There are countless reports by survivors reporting hearing explosions at different levels between the 12th and 30th floor when running for their lives.
..Coincidental that survivors from both towers reported similar phenomena!

Two similar construed buildings get a blow of their lives at different height and at different angles, yet both collapse so identical as if there was a mirror between them.
Some architects are puzzled by the way the both came down, and soon a finite material
Simulation will analyze how easy or how impossible was for both towers to crumbled as they did without some help.
A controlled demolition? Stock Exchange spared?

A group of amateur terrorist decide to go a head early in the morning when airports are less hectic and more vulnerable for security detection so that they can hit the WTC before they get really packed with VIP’s?? Coincidental!

Satellite photos taken about an hour following the Pentagon crash show no wheels, no wins, nor clear parts of the airplane. Yet most pictures that we are all too familiar with, showing plane crashes to ground buildings similar to the Pentagon give a different portrait. Coincidental!

The WTC was owned by our government and managed by the Port Authority, expiration contract was not far away and the WTC (as government property) enjoyed especial privilege not to fulfill certain safety requirements. Following the previous bomb attack at sub-ground level, it was reported that WTC was a liability more than a monument. For safety reasons it was clear that sooner or later both will have to be demolished.

Solution, fund and train a group of radicals by special agents pretending to be anti-Americans and have those deteriorated twin towers demolished in a way we can profit the most, all of course in resonance with the new world order.

Too much fantasy for you? Well research detailed information, place the pieces on a large table and try to make sense out of it as our government expect you to do. It is bloody difficult!

In early June, a news said the conversations between Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Mohammed Atta were intercepted by NSA. It said in two separate conversations on Sept. 10, 2001 contained the pharases "Tomorrow is zero hour" and "The match is about to begin.". Since these two pharases are vague one and consider NSA intercepts 2 million conversations in each hour, the pick up of these two phrases was not a coincidence. It proves that Atta was under surveillance by government earlier before 911.

Then FBI said it was a secret intelligent information which shouldn't be let out public. They are investigating who has leaked it. They target on law makers and even request a polygraph.

But who will investigate the secret information leaking committed by intelligence itself?

When the news said Atta made contact to Iraq diplomat in Czech and talked about bombing plot, it leaked that Atta and Iraq diplomate were under surveillance and it leaked Czech intelligence was cooperated with USA.

There is another similar news release. By February 2001, NSA had broken the bin Laden's communications encryption system. What we know from the information government released is that OBL talked to his mother two days before 911 attack, "In two days, you're going to hear big news, and you're not going to hear from me for a while." It let people know that Bin laden's communication was under surveillance as long as 6 months before 911. And his communication code was broken.

Nobody could release such information but intelligence. Though the original purpose of news about Atta and Iraq diplomate was to target on Iraq to frame it linking with 911 terrorist, so administration could have excuse to start a war on Iraq. And the news of Bin Laden's intercepted conversation was used to find a legal base for Bush to start war in Afghan. These information leaking are as important as the Atta's "Tomorrow is zero huor" one. Why FBI had a blind eye on these secret leakings? Because they were released by intelligence?

The secret information leaking FBI accused took place in early June, at a time when lawmakers and 911 victims were going to investigate failure of intelligence of 911 attack with an independent commision. It could be a trap intelligence set. They use this method to retaliate, or extort law makers to avoid investigation on their own flaw or crime. Or to reach a compromise.

If we don't know these "secrecy", we will believe what government said that they had known nothing before attack. "Secret" is only a stonewall they used to cover up thier corruption.

I've alleged government insiders made the OKC bombing, anthrax attack, sniper case and allowed 911 attack to happen to grip more police power and push for war in Mid-east. Some people argued how could government kill their own people. Compare the recent news and the revelation of the book. Beware another terror attack from our own government. (though always disguised as "enemy combatant" and "terrorist")

News: Within the past three weeks, US intelligence gathered what officials at Scott Air Force Base described as credible evidence of a planned bombing of a passenger airliner contracted to fly troops and freight for the military. (1/13/03, San Jose Mercury News)

Book: They called for hijacking jet airliners, attacking US military bases, blowing up US ships and wounding civilians in Miami, Florida and Washington, DC using paramilitary sniper teams . (northwoods story)


Operation Northwoods
Our U.S. Government Planned To Attack
"We The People"
Former ABC News investigative reporter James Bamford . Broke the Northwoods Story in His Book, Body of Secrets . It is based mostly on documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act or found in government archives.

"We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington," said one document reportedly prepared by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," the document says. "Casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of indignation."

http://www.retakingamerica.com/northwoods_page_1.html


USA Today - Bush wrong to use pretext as excuse to invade Iraq <http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/2002-08-29-usat-opin-bamford_x.htm> "The answer was Operation Northwoods "

ABC News - Friendly Fire Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba <http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/jointchiefs_010501.html>"America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties "

No American president wants a disaster such as 9/11 to happen on his watch. The same type of conspiracy theorists tried to accuse FDR of knowing in advance about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. There may have been some bungling of intelligence before both events, but no conspiracy.

hmmmmm, Coldrake, seems bush has done well from 9/11. His ratings went through the roof, he has been able to take away many freedoms without people really giving a damn.

Originally posted by Coldrake
No American president wants a disaster such as 9/11 to happen on his watch. The same type of conspiracy theorists tried to accuse FDR of knowing in advance about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor. There may have been some bungling of intelligence before both events, but no conspiracy.


Then how could "Operation Northwoods" be planed? According to your theory, no American president wants a disaster such like that happens on his watch.

Remember Bush got his president title not from election but by judge's decision from supreme court. And he is a puppet of the power behind the scene. And that power is eager to grip money, and police power. They need this terror attack. Don't you know Iraq war was planed long time ago, before 911.

Pure Bull/Shi...... Bush would NEVER allow Americans to be killed without a fight..Period, and So Callous, He'd die himself first! He;s a TEXAN! He was my Governor in Texas for almost Eight years! He is a good man, Honorable! and He won the Election, not by a landslide, but he won it! who's to say the Democrats didn't plan the Fiasco in Broward County? I wouldn't put Anything past the Demo's..

I think kathaksung is actually a foreign agent who is trying to sow the seeds of discord within our country in order to lead a revolt.

Slim, what makes you think that? After all he is fabricating evidence to send Americans off to a war many of them will die in? And this honourable man is making America more into a police state.

You are right of course, he did win the election, not by a landslide, by a court order. The recount done by the media some time latter showed Gore won Florida by a small margin.

No Richard, it Was Quite the Opposite, Bush Picked up Even more Votes after the Media count! Gore lost by Even More than thought. ANOTHER recount like Gore Sued For would have proven that! The Fiasco Had gone on long Enough, it was Time to End The Court Actions Instituted By Gores Lawyers.. He Lost the Election. I was unfair because he didn't win! Bush Had the Majority of States and Rural Areas, Gore took the normal big Union Bought vote and the Bussed to the poll-paid-in-ciggs-and-cash-minority vote. the normal Democratic way. Gores States were fewer but more Populated with Yessir boss Voters.. Gore lost, so did his supporters thank God! Devine intervention, Whatever!


"After all he is fabricating evidence to send Americans off to a war many of them will die in?"

**Ok, out with it.. If you know something or have Proof to that effect, why not tell us. I assume you aren't Guessing, or making Wild Accusations. After all... umm... What is it that you Do? Bush has Photos, recon, plus past history of proven WOMD's that are Now.. well... Hidden, err Destroyed by Saddam.. what Do YOU have that would make Americans Believe you and Saddam over Bush? I know him, I Don't Know YOU! Who do I believe?
...As far as American Casualties are concerned, our Guys are very well trained and armed for these occasions. Each one will do his duty, many Joined for this reason. 9/11 shook Americans to the Core. Terrorism cannot be allowed to Florish. Saddam Hates the U.S. with a passion. He would think it wise to outfit and train any Nut in this world who shares the same view, regardless of religion or genetic background. He will remain a threat to America as long as he draws a breath of air. to stop that, Americans will die over there, to keep safety here, No Questions!

"And this honourable man is making America more into a police state."

**and You would have us do what? Life and Business as usual? the Same liberties are ALWAYS Curtailed in times of conflict. WW2 is a prime example! lights out, camo paint, no radio broacasts, private Ships are Commadeered for the war effort, personal property that can be used for the war effort is condemed and allocated for the Effort! Even durring the Civil War liberties were Curtailed! all through history Caution is taken in times of national distress. it is NOT business as usual! Steps Must be taken, liberties will be restored as the Danger abates, if it Ever does! that Depends on out Allies and whether or not they got Balls. tell me this, If a wild bear is Roaming the woods you are camping in, would you continue to leave Food out and let the children play? So Shall Americans have to do without some liberties till Terror is finish for good! then we can Play again!

boy you bush haters can have him pjanning and hiding all this stuff on one hand and then calling him stupid on the other. do you really believe your own bull.

Originally posted by kathaksung
Then how could "Operation Northwoods" be planed? According to your theory, no American president wants a disaster such like that happens on his watch.

Easy. Kennedy wasn't in on the planning. It was a military plan, approved by the JCS. When presented to JFK, he disapporved it.

Remember Bush got his president title not from election but by judge's decision from supreme court. And he is a puppet of the power behind the scene. And that power is eager to grip money, and police power. They need this terror attack. Don't you know Iraq war was planed long time ago, before 911.

Yes I do. The war was planned in the latter months of 1990 and executed in 1991. Iraq was defeated and Iraq was spared, with Saddam being allowed to remain in power if he met the guidelines of the UN resolutions. The war will now be finished.

But we're talking about whether or not that 9/11 was actually a Bush-approved plot. Ridiculous. As I said, no president wants to be written up in history with a legacy like that on his watch. It was a case of extreme bungling just as the Pearl Harbor attack. Plenty of information coming in, but disjointed and confusing.

Originally posted by slim
Pure Bull/Shi...... Bush would NEVER allow Americans to be killed without a fight..Period, and So Callous, He'd die himself first! He;s a TEXAN! He was my Governor in Texas for almost Eight years! He is a good man, Honorable! and He won the Election, not by a landslide, but he won it! who's to say the Democrats didn't plan the Fiasco in Broward County? I wouldn't put Anything past the Demo's..


What has Bush done?

Bush and his cabinet successfully made US the enemy of Islamic world. He successfully seperated US from its old allies and most people of the world. He also successfully put US people in constant alert of colour code.

Bush and his cabinet always use terrorist to frighten people. "Bombing is inevitable." "We are at war." Because they benefit from war. High approve rate, fat military budget, and more police power. But when you try to use 911 to intimidate, answer a question first: What's the motive of 911? It's a revenge of US Mideast policy which is biased on Israel. American people suffered the attack they are not deserved to. A good government policy protects people. A bad one leads them to the war and dictatorship.

Bush has Photos, recon, plus past history of proven WOMD's that are Now.. well... Hidden, err Destroyed by Saddam..

ummmm... most of the evidence has been dismissed as being really ambiguous.. and i refer to the photos and the supafly presentation given by powell...

I know him

errmm... great... so u know him... you could not possibly know every single thought he might be having... that's not a good enuf argument to support ur ideas.. its like me saying, i know Saddam, he's like a calm subservient goat...

As far as American Casualties are concerned, our Guys are very well trained and armed for these occasions.

so you advocate americans being killed bcuz of a nonsensical war?

9/11 shook Americans to the Core. Terrorism cannot be allowed to Florish.

ummm... no conclusive proof that iraq had anything to do with 9/11... therefore, your point is moot...

Saddam Hates the U.S. with a passion.

ahemm... no.. he should love the U.S. so what if the americans blew up his country... so what if they imposed sanctions for 12 years... so what if they are trynna wage war without credible evidence... Saddam shouldn't hate the US cuz its not personal eh?

He would think it wise to outfit and train any Nut in this world who shares the same view, regardless of religion or genetic background

u mean anti-US view? ohhh boy... i think u pretty much got the US vs the entire globe there.... anyone who doesn't think the US is the mighty benefactor harbours terrorist views?

He will remain a threat to America as long as he draws a breath of air.

umm.. evidence???

WW2 is a prime example! lights out, camo paint, no radio broacasts, private Ships are Commadeered for the war effort, personal property that can be used for the war effort is condemed and allocated for the Effort!

different kinda restrictions are being imposed compared to what you have listed... check these threads

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17702
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17701

talkin abt infringement of domestic civil rights and liberties..

If a wild bear is Roaming the woods you are camping in, would you continue to leave Food out and let the children play?

quite a retarded analogy...

Sycoindian:
.."quite a retarded analogy."

Yep! I did that for you to understand it better. Retarded Views need Retarded anology.. You live in the mideast now, so its no small wonder.. I still live in the U.S.

One can call it conspiracy, or can call it anything else. I am of the conviction that although Bush may not have known exactly what was going to happen on 9/11 prior to the incident. I am certain that he found it out afterwards.
The 9/11 was a home-made thing in the cheapest way in which two problematic buildings could be demolished at not extra cost and while profiting from it in endless ways.

Facts:
9 of the 19 supposedly on board terrorist of that fate day, are confirmed to be alive and have had nothing to do with the 9/11 incident. Attempts to investigate the true names and identities for the other 10 “purposively terrorist” is red-taped.

Scientific investigations that would provide insight at what really happened, by presidential order all, investigations by independent bodies have being stopped. The great majority of debris, including all metal structures, etc. Have being removed. Not a standard procedure in investigating a crime, is it?

Recordings contained in the black-box of airplanes involved have being labeled top-secret

http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wtc.html
http://serendipity.magnet.ch/wot/bollyn1.htm

Generations to come will eventually find the truth of 9/11 and they will look back us as saying what a stupid ignorant generation that was!

"Dr. Charles Hirsch, the chief medical examiner, told grieving relatives in November that many bodies had been "vaporized". Hirsch reportedly declined to be interviewed. However, Dr. Michael Baden, the state's chief forensic pathologist and a top expert in the field, said in September that most bodies should be identifiable because the fires had not reached the 3,200 degree (F), 30-minute level necessary to incinerate a body."

"A former East German physicist who studied Soviet infrared technology and plasmoids during the 60s and 70s, and who was directly involved in a demonstration of a Soviet laser beam weapon in 1991 for the U.S. Air Force in Weimar (DDR), told AFP that there is evidence that a directed-energy weapon using "deep infrared" radiation was used to bring down the WTC. "

"Since 1995, the United States and Israel have actively developed an advanced infrared beam weapon under a joint "anti-missile" program known as the Tactical High-Energy Laser (THEL). The THEL is a mobile, high-energy laser weapon. "

http://www.st.northropgrumman.com/image/gallery/0,2446,1_5_54^2^54^35,FF.html



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Yep! I did that for you to understand it better. Retarded Views need Retarded anology.. You live in the mideast now, so its no small wonder.. I still live in the U.S.

LOL... retarded views need retarded analogy... this means that your views are retarded and you supplied a retarded analogy for it... i hope ur followin the logic... anywayzz... seein that you didnt reply to anythin else id asked, u have nothin but your own opinions to offer... which pretty much ends the convo cuz ur opinions have no backing...

If 9/11 had been just another day in the life, no terrorist actions, just a normal day, where would the present Adminstration be right now? So much has changed so quickly it seems almost as if most of the post 9/11 events were drawn up years before that day. I wonder what the presidents approval rating would be now if not for the deaths of so many on 9/11 and afterwards. What would the shape of the world be had not GWB stolen the last election. Since becoming president, the world has gone to hell in a had basket and as I see it, it's mostly do to King George II.

Hijack 'suspects' alive and well

Waleed Al Shehri left the US a year ago, he says
Another of the men named by the FBI as a hijacker in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York has turned up alive and well.
The identities of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt.
Saudi Arabian pilot Waleed Al Shehri was one of five men that the FBI said had deliberately crashed American Airlines flight 11 into the World Trade Centre on 11 September.
His photograph was released, and has since appeared in newspapers and on television around the world.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm