Just a little teaching for Christians... Little but very useful.
There are only two things that causes us to sin:

need/lack
self-centredness

All sins comes from those two.

From need and lack are every sin that has to do with an addiction. For example, drinking, smoking, and so on. They come when you don't focus on God's presence within yourself, which creates a sense of lack and emptiness.

From self-centredness comes pride, worries, hate, selfishness, assumptions, ignorance, arrogance, etc. Again, a lack of focus on His presence within us.


The key to not sin is to focus on God and on helping others, rather then focusing on yourself:

Matthew 6:25-34
"25 "For this reason I say to you, do not be worried about your life, as to what you will eat or what you will drink; nor for your body, as to what you will put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing?
26 " Look at the birds of the air, that they do not sow, nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not worth much more than they?
27 "And who of you by being worried can add a single hour to his life?
28 "And why are you worried about clothing? Observe how the lilies of the field grow; they do not toil nor do they spin,
29 yet I say to you that not even Solomon in all his glory clothed himself like one of these.
30 "But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which is alive today and tomorrow is thrown into the furnace, will He not much more clothe you? You of little faith!
31 "Do not worry then, saying, 'What will we eat?' or 'What will we drink?' or 'What will we wear for clothing?'
32 "For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.
33 "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
34 "So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own. "

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
From need and lack are every sin that has to do with an addiction. For example, drinking, smoking,
crap,kids start smoking,drinking b/c they want to be like grown ups ;)

The key to not sin is to focus on God and on helping others, rather then focusing on yourself:
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yeah tell that to the televangelists preacher millionares who exploit the poor simpleminded suckers/believers!:rolleyes:

Q25,

crap,kids start smoking,drinking b/c they want to be like grown ups
Excuse me... I'm just 19 years old today and now I am in legal age of drinking in British Columbia. Do you think I will gonna waste myself with alcohol? No way! I'm not going to waste my life just because some jerk decided to waste his! This is pathetic! Is this really growing up? I think drinking and smoking are mere signs of immaturity, and not of maturity. If you are really mature, how can you hurt your own body, your own health. Stupid!

yeah tell that to the televangelists preacher millionares who exploit the poor simpleminded suckers/believers!
They are no different then atheists. They only use God as an excuse to win money, that's all. This always have happened, even in Jesus' time. Once Jesus saw that they were trying to make money out of people's offerings and when He saw that He wasn't very happy...

From self-centredness comes pride, worries, hate, selfishness, assumptions, ignorance, arrogance, etc. Again, a lack of focus on His presence within us.

Well then everyone is a non-stop sinner. If i was 'arrogant' i'd just 'assume' that by calling Jesus name my 'worry' of being a sinner would be removed cause i'd receive forgiveness. I'd be 'proud' to admit my love for god and jesus but that too would be a sin. Luckily my 'worries' are removed cause once again the almighty forgives me. What a noble 'assumption'.

TruthSeeker,
I suggest you look long and hard at your own list
assumptions - check
ignorance - check
arrogance - check

'From self-centredness comes... worries'. This is somewhat silly and minimilist. You can also worry about other people, and in no way is a sin unless you go and do something stupid.

Maybe you could say that all sin comes from egotistical views, but why break it up into 2 categories that aren't even that descriptive. The need/lack of your first list can be completely caused by the 'self-centeredness' of your second list.

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Excuse me... I'm just 19 years old today and now I am in legal age of drinking in British Columbia. Do you think I will gonna waste myself with alcohol? No way! I'm not going to waste my life just because some jerk decided to waste his! This is pathetic! Is this really growing up? I think drinking and smoking are mere signs of immaturity, and not of maturity. If you are really mature, how can you hurt your own body, your own health. Stupid!
Please God tell me you are not this slow. He wasn't saying that kids should do it to be like grownups, but that it is the largest reason. If you do it in moderation there is no problem, and (most) adults understand this. Kids however will down an entire 40 to impress their friends, not realizing that they are going to be on the floor in a couple minutes.
P.S. - I personally like how in your paragraph about maturity you say "No way!" "This is pathetic!" "Stupid!" I just found that slightly ironic.

They are no different then atheists. They only use God as an excuse to win money, that's all.
Hmmm.... I've never heard of an atheist winning money because they are an atheist. Maybe I'm missing something, but I doubt it.

SnakeLord,

Well then everyone is a non-stop sinner.
Bingo... ;)

If i was 'arrogant' i'd just 'assume' that by calling Jesus name my 'worry' of being a sinner would be removed cause i'd receive forgiveness. I'd be 'proud' to admit my love for god and jesus but that too would be a sin. Luckily my 'worries' are removed cause once again the almighty forgives me. What a noble 'assumption'.
Ahh... no.

First of all, if you are arrogant you will say that you don't need Jesus in the first place (what you do). You know you are a sinner and yet you don't accept Jesus. You say "I don't need forgiveness". That's pride and arrogance.

Second, there is no assumption on that. It is written, it is the Word of God. There is no assumption there. There is only an assumption that the Word of God is not true. There... is an assumption.

And there is no pride in admitting that you Love someone. You Love someone just by Loving them. There is no pride there at all.

Persol,

I suggest you look long and hard at your own list
assumptions - check
ignorance - check
arrogance - check
Excuse me... look at yourself...:eek:
No... I have none of those.

'From self-centredness comes... worries'. This is somewhat silly and minimilist. You can also worry about other people, and in no way is a sin unless you go and do something stupid.
No. Worry in any form is a sin because it is a separation from God. If God is Almighty and is in your side, why do you worry? You simply can't worry. If you worry, it is because you doubt. Also, worry is anxious. Anxiety is a sin. If you are concerned about someone, then that's different, because you don't feel anxious. The key here is the anxiety.

Maybe you could say that all sin comes from egotistical views, but why break it up into 2 categories that aren't even that descriptive. The need/lack of your first list can be completely caused by the 'self-centeredness' of your second list.
It does, but need and lack are also a circumstancial condition. For example, if you have no money and you are starving, you don't need to be in this condition just because you are focusing on yourself. It is just your circumstance. So this don't follow in the second category.

If I would put everything in one category (and I actually did), I would say that sin is caused by a lack of focus on God. Hence why we are all sinners.

The word "Sin"means - Unbeleif.

Smoking, drinking, ect.....are sins., not sin. Sin is unbelief.
You do those things because of unbelief.
Once you cure the undelying cause the others will go away.
Thats what Jesus came to do, reedem us....restore us to our unfallen state before unbelief.

Eve beleived the devil's lie, over God's word in the garden.
If she had taken God at his Word, and stood her ground on it ...she would not have been deceived.

That is what Jesus did against the devil.....he stayed with what the word had said
He qouted scripture. It is Written....It is Written, see...
Thats why the Word is so important, for us to be restored back we must study to show ourself appoved, and recognise that Jesus is the Word. Nothing less will do.

No creed or partial doctrine of organized churches in their traditions. Sin is Unbeif in the Word of God, and that IS Jesus Christ.

Persol,

Please God tell me you are not this slow. He wasn't saying that kids should do it to be like grownups, but that it is the largest reason. If you do it in moderation there is no problem, and (most) adults understand this. Kids however will down an entire 40 to impress their friends, not realizing that they are going to be on the floor in a couple minutes.
P.S. - I personally like how in your paragraph about maturity you say "No way!" "This is pathetic!" "Stupid!" I just found that slightly ironic.
Ok... then all those adults that get lung cancer, make their kids get lung cancer from second-hand, and all those adults that get liver cancer or die in car accidents, they all do it in "moderation" and they are very "mature", aren't they...:bugeye:
P.S.- I personally like my own indignate expression when I look at this immature civilization....:bugeye:

Hmmm.... I've never heard of an atheist winning money because they are an atheist. Maybe I'm missing something, but I doubt it.
No. Atheist pretend to be theists in order to get money. That's what I said.:bugeye:

TheVisitor,

This unbelief is caused by lack of focus on God. This is not the only way reason why people sin. If someone kills somebody, that person might not even ever heard about God. Why do you think God wants us to spread His Word? Because the world still doesn't know His Word (and of course to save them). There are people that sin and that never heard the Word of God. How can they not believe in something that they never heard of? It is not just a matter of unbelief, it is also a matter of ignorance.

Sin is caused by a lack of awareness of the presence of God.

Those that know the Word and still sin, those are the ones that don't believe. And if you think about it, even Christians sometimes sin because they don't believe in something that is written in the Word, although they believe that they are saved. For example, a Christian might believe that he/she is saved but yet not believe that he/she can be healed from a disease.

Sin is not believing, or unbelief in God, and He is the Word.

The scriptures say: "He that believeth in Me shall in no wise be cast out"
Many creeds teach "all you need to do is believe Jesus died for you".....That is incorrect.

It is written: "He that believeth in Me" and thats Jesus Christ, and He is the Word of God made manifest, the whole Word, the fulness of the god-head bodily.

If you don't know the Word of God, and have been deceived by organized religion's false creed and doctrines.....You don't really know Christ at all. You have been deceived as the bible said. The whole world has been sent a "strong delusion" that they might believe a lie and be damned by it
God did this, not the devil.
He is the Word.

There are people that sin and that never heard the Word of God. How can they not believe in something that they never heard of?

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There are three kinds of believers in every group.
Believers, make-believers, and un-believers.

Those who've never heard, will be given the chance one way or the other, in this life or the part of those raised up to hear in the millineum.

Then they will be seperated. It's the the word seperates, thats what Jesus came to do.
He said don't think I have come to make peace (or compromise on the word), but I have come to make war, I bring a sword, to seperate father, from son ect...

God don't do this....! God wants ALL to be saved. He is Love. Why would He want that!?!? If God were like this, I would prefer to go to Hell...!:eek:

God is Love. Wake up. It is you that is being deceived. God doesn't want a fanclub of people that admire Him and worship Him for their own sake. God is not a dictator. God is not selfish, jealous, arrogant and stupid as you describe Him. Salvation is for all.

Isaiah 49:6
"6 he says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth." "

Isaiah 52:10
"10 The LORD will lay bare his holy arm in the sight of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth will see the salvation of our God. "

Acts 13:47
"47 For this is what the Lord has commanded us: " 'I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.' "

Romans 10:15
"15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!" "

Titus 2:11
"11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men."

Colossians 3:9-11
"9 Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices
10 and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.
11 Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. "

John 3:16
"16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. "

What you are describing is pure dead works.

TheVisitor,

Those who've never heard, will be given the chance one way or the other, in this life or the part of those raised up to hear in the millineum.

Acts 13:47
"47 For this is what the Lord has commanded us: " 'I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.' "

It is up to us to bring salvation, not Him. We are members of His body. We should do what He wants us to do. Can the head say something to the body and the body not do it? Read Ephesians 4.

If He will do it, why does He command us to go and preach the gospel?

Then they will be seperated. It's the the word seperates, thats what Jesus came to do.
He said don't think I have come to make peace (or compromise on the word), but I have come to make war, I bring a sword, to seperate father, from son ect...
No. "Separation" there means "distinction". "Distinction" is the awareness of differences. Read this:

Romans 3:19-20
"19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.
20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin."

This is the purpose of the Law in the New Testament. It is to "separe", to make distiction between those that sin and those that do not. And even those that sin should not be condemned. Didn't Jesus used to eat and drink with sinners? Didn't He accepted them and forgiven them? Then why don't "we" do the same?

Later in Ephesians 6...

Ephesians 6:10-20
"10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power.
11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes.
12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.
14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place,
15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace.
16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.
19 Pray also for me, that whenever I open my mouth, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel,
20 for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should. "

He bring a "sword", which is the Word of God. He calls us to preach the "gospel of peace" to "the ends of the earth". Salvation is for all. There won;t be just 144000 people saved. If you believe that, you were deceived.

You do realise and accept that all the quoting of shepherd writing means absolutely nothing? It's not proof to anything.

If it is proof to you then i will start quoting religious texts from all ages, all cultures. They hold exactly the same amount of weight yours does and must all be regarded as absolute proof. If that is all you have, except your own short sighted brain then you can hardly expect anyone to take you as a credible person.

There are a lot of evidences that the Bible is the True Word of God.

Furthermore....... If it is proof........

"I will put an end to the hordes of Egypt by the hand of Nebuchadnezzar King of Babylon" <---- Openly admitting that God himself is using people to carry out his evils. He is forcing acts of sin and evil- acts that only the devil would do- upon the people he HAS ETERNAL LOVE FOR. They may be sinners, they may not be the nicest of all people in the world but gods love is for all his children. Here he specifically uses humans to commit his own atrocities.

"I will dry up the streams of the Nile and sell the land to evil men" <-------- Here he is happily and openly showing his wrath. Does this sound like an all loving god?

"I will lay waste the land and everything in it. I the Lord have spoken... I will destroy the idols and put an end to the images in Memphis." <-------- You all sit here and state manking has free will to accept to believe in god or not. Does this honestly look like free will to you? Someone, by their own free will chooses to believe something else. You sit here and tell us how we are able to do that.... He destroyed everything. Where's the free will?

"No longer will there be a prince in Egypt and i will spread fear throughout the land" <--------- Great....... so because peoples free will allows them to do as they please he has to resort to making people 'fear' him? That's the reason so many people are religious. Fear based faith. Which he himself openly admits to doing.

"I will lay waste upper Egypt, set fire to Zoan, and inflict punishment on Thebes" <-------- What a nice guy.

"I will pour out my wrath on Pelusium, the stronghold of Egypt... I will set fire to Egypt. Pelusium will writhe in agony. Thebes will be taken by storm. Memphis will be in constant distress.... When i break the yoke of Egypt there her proud strength will come to an end......... and they will know that i am the Lord." <----------- What a nice guy.

If you want to pretend the bible is undeniable fact you cannot pick and choose what portions suit you. If that's the case we need to look at every line, every comment. The overwhelming majority of the bible is all about hatred, not love. Pain, destruction, and condemnation. You claim love because one tiny weeny incy bitsy portion says so. What about the hatred? Let me guess..... that's all false?

Even little things like the need to sacrifice animals for him... Love requires no deaths of goats. That sounds more like a man-mortal who is in need of self reassurance.

"Do this to prove......." He would know how you felt, how you were within your heart. A dead goat solves nothing. If he can tell who deserves to burn he must be able to tell who doesn't.

He sounds very insecure and violent by nature.

Don't bother quoting scripture to me, it doesn't answer any of this.... Besides.... I have my own scripture which is truth. Don't try and say otherwise, you'll only be assuming. My belief is true. Bow down to the alien gods now or you shall be judged. You need to WANT to find my alien gods or they wont come to you.

Sounds so fucking arrogant... But then again it's easier to point out someone elses without even seeing your own,

Show me that evidence now please Truthseeker. Ignore my above post for a moment and show me the evidence. I'm waiting *anxiously* <------- I know thats a sin, sue me.

You are deaf, and you don't listen. Why should I even try?

If I pray for you not to be deaf anymore, you might receive it and start to understand it. If you receive it by your own free will, you will understand it. If you don't receive it, you won't understand it. If you want me to pray for you, tell me your real name, please...

Excuse me... look at yourself...
No... I have none of those.
Hehe... ok then;)

Worry in any form is a sin because it is a separation from God
That's bull-lox. Concern and worry are different amounts of the same emotion.

I would say that sin is caused by a lack of focus on God. Hence why we are all sinners.
And most theist scholars disagree with you.

Ok... then all those adults that get lung cancer, make their kids get lung cancer from second-hand, and all those adults that get liver cancer or die in car accidents, they all do it in "moderation" and they are very "mature", aren't they...
Well, if they are dying of lung cancer, obviously it wasn't in moderation. You eat food. If you ate too much you'd be fat and probably have a heart attack (eventually). It's all about moderation. Having a drink every once in awhile has been demonstrated to actually improve your health. Also, not everyone who drinks then goes out and drives... all though many theist leaders try and grow this image to prevent drinking.

P.S.- I personally like my own indignate expression when I look at this immature civilization....
You are what? 15? 16? You are very obviously not an adult. You do not have nearly enough experience to judge all of civilization from your small little worldview.

No. Atheist pretend to be theists in order to get money. That's what I said
No, you said: "They (televangelists) are no different then atheists. They only use God as an excuse to win money, that's all." Since televangelists use God to win money, and atheists are no different then televangilists, then atheists use God to win money. Unless of course atheists are different then televangelists.

There are a lot of evidences that the Bible is the True Word of God.
You have yet to provide this evidence.

You are deaf, and you don't listen. Why should I even try?
Well you said earlier "It is up to us to bring salvation, not Him. We are members of His body. We should do what He wants us to do."
Isaiah 49:6 he says: It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth.
Acts 13:47 For this is what the Lord has commanded us: 'I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.'
Also, being deaf doesn't really matter, because I'm pretty sure he can read.

There are a lot of evidences that the Bible is the True Word of God.
You have yet to provide this evidence.


Yeah.... i'm still waiting too. I'm starting to 'worry', (oops), starting to get anxious, (oops), and starting to assume, (oops), things.

Show me this evidence and stop my multi-sinning.

Still waiting......... I noticed you replied to several other posts, just curious as to when you'll get round to showing the evidence. Ok, perhaps there's so much of it, it takes time for you to show here.... i'll just apply more patience. Sorry.

SnakeLord,

Want evidence? Go to a Christian conference. This is what I posted to Persol and wesmorris.

"Maybe try Todd Bentley...
He is an evangelist, and he can probably do it.
http://www.thearc.bc.ca/
You can go to one of his conferences and see him doing miracles:
http://www.freshfire.ca/conferences/default.asp

If you are really searching God, you will find Him..."

"More conferences:
http://www.crossstyle.org/page3.html
http://www.fishthe.net/pages/Evangelist_Listing/

In those conferences, many miracles are performed. If you doubt, go in one of them. Tell them you are not a Christian and that you don't believe in miracles. They will show you. They will prophesy about you. You will see that God exists.

I recommend Todd Bentley. He is good enough...

PS: If you tell me where you live, I might try to find a conference near you..."

The same goes for you. Go for it? Want evidence? You will find.

Ok, would someone tell me why it's become popular in recent years to insist that smoking is a sin? The only biblical backing is calling our body the "temple of god." Thus, smoking, having been proved harmful to our bodies, is in turn damaging the temple of God.

ok, i got that. but in that way, so is being fat. Even letting yourself get a little fat so that it interferes with the health of your body (the temple) would be a sin. I dont see anyone blasting fat people.

I actually called out a missionary that came to my university to tell us that we were going to hell. She happened to tell us that we were going to hell for smoking and she happened to be fat. So, i tactfully told her she was going to hell too.

Peace. :m: :bugeye:

socialistprophet,

You are right. Being overweight by choice is a sin. But if it is a natural condition, it is not a sin. The key here is wheter you chose or not.

So then why claim addiction to be sin? People get addicted whether they want to or not- thus how can we have argued about excercise being sinful when you're addicted? Addiction is not a choice.

Addiction IS a choice!! You are being so immature!! You can be addicted to somoking because you chose to smoke in the first place, for example! Stop just trying to prove me wrong! You are just being pleinly immature!!:bugeye:

No i'm not. What I am trying to do is get questions answered. When the answers that are given contradict themselves it means i must ask more questions..... So.... here it is:

I chose to excercise to improve my health. After a while i became addicted to excercise....

Also my doctor told me many years ago smoking was good for a very brief time. If you never have a cigarette the body cannot build up tolerance to it's toxins. If you smoke very briefly your body becomes better at protecting you from passive smoking etc.

As you can see these things are not ultimately evil. On one side addiction came not by choice as you would claim. On the other something that is bad still has it's benefits. Look at wine.. Glass a day prevents heart attack- have too many you end up alcoholic. These things are instantly condemned by you over-the-top religious types. Personally i don't think god would get as petty as to concern himself over cigarettes.

I understand the moral attitude- but trying to condemn people because they smoke, drink, fart, masterbate, have sex or anything else is pathetic.

You said it yourself: "Being overweight by choice is a sin"...

You even said "Worry is a sin because it goes against god"...

I mean think about what you're saying for a second. Then on the other hand we gather from your posts that it's irrelevant if we sin or not because we'll get forgiven later on.

Not only do you always lower the human ability and the very existence of mankind- you show god in such a pathetically ridiculous light it's laughable.

You can't answer my questions regarding my son

You preach on the basis "i heard voices when i was 3", in fact your whole belief according to you rests on that.

You twist the bible to suit your own belief and accuse everyone else of doing the same

We can all survive nuclear bombs..

I could go on but i wont...

If you can't answer posts that's all ok- but then why respond with stuff that is questionable at best. If it's questionable people will question it. To save frustration just dont reply ;)

You cannot be addicted to exercise if you want to improve your health. Only people that wants to be really thin that has this problem. And it is not even considered addiction to exercise, but a disorder in mostly alimentation...

No you idiot. It's an addiction. Excercise produces certain chemicals in your body which you can get addicted to. It's equivalent to injecting yourself everyday. The only difference is that the result is positive.

I mean think about what you're saying for a second. Then on the other hand we gather from your posts that it's irrelevant if we sin or not because we'll get forgiven later on.
You are forgiven only if you accept the forgiveness.

You twist the bible to suit your own belief and accuse everyone else of doing the same
No I don't. I post huge chuncks of scripture to show that I'm not doing that. You and others post little bits or take words away from it and even change the words (yes, I've seen this before, not from you though).

Persol,

No you idiot.
1 Peter 3:8
"8 To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit;
9 not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing. "

Bless ya :p

It's an addiction. Excercise produces certain chemicals in your body which you can get addicted to. It's equivalent to injecting yourself everyday. The only difference is that the result is positive.
Really? Which chemicals are those?

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
1 Peter 3:8
"8 To sum up, all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, brotherly, kindhearted, and humble in spirit;
9 not returning evil for evil or insult for insult, but giving a blessing instead; for you were called for the very purpose that you might inherit a blessing. "
Bless ya :p
Exodus 022:018 Thou shalt not suffer an idiot to live.
Really? Which chemicals are those? [/B] Endorphins mainly

adrenaline is one. one of the best out there. you know morticians take the adrenal glands from dead people and excrete the adrenaline for recreational drug use? yeah, runs anywhere from 800$ to 2000$ for a CC.

BTLC
Better Living Through Chemicals.:m:

Endorphine? Adrenaline? That's ridiculous! How can someone get addicted to such stupid chemicals!?!?:bugeye:

I got adrenaline many times, and I really don't care if I don't feel it very often (although a complete lack of it is just plain boring, a common amount of it is just normal). I've been having a pretty boring life for 2 eyars and only now I want some adrenaline. I can't see why someone would get addicted to such...:bugeye:

i]Originally posted by TruthSeeker [/i]
Endorphine? Adrenaline? That's ridiculous! How can someone get addicted to such stupid chemicals!?!?
You really are an idiot aren't you. A large number of chemicals that people can get addicted to are naturally present in the body.

I got adrenaline many times, and I really don't care if I don't feel it very often (although a complete lack of it is just plain boring, a common amount of it is just normal). I've been having a pretty boring life for 2 eyars and only now I want some adrenaline. I can't see why someone would get addicted to such...
The amount of certain chemicals that your body produces, and the amount that an athlete's produces are exponentially different. If you do not understand what the word 'addiction' even means then don't inisit that it doesn't happen.

It is pointless to discuss anything with you...:bugeye:

I love you too....


Bow before your god.

You go to hell by your own choice...:bugeye:

God can go anywhere he wants.

What do you mean by that? I'm talking to you. You are just acting like a immature kid. Oh well... what I could expect from you...:bugeye:

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
What do you mean by that? I'm talking to you. You are just acting like a immature kid. Oh well... what I could expect from you...:bugeye: What response would you expect to It is pointless to discuss anything with you...

Christianity... An Addiction???
an essay, by me
(not really, but i wanted it to look cool. anyway.)

Well, addiction... that is a tricky subject to debate. First of all there are two kinds: psycological and mental. The first is a need your body has, and the second a need that the mind has... almost like a habit or a comfort tool. It doesnt hurt you body if you are mentally addicted, but it can hurt your sanity or when it is removed or cause a form of depression, easy agitation, or whatever.

An example of physical addiction::
A man has been an alcoholic for years. It's a huge part of his life that affects his life. He cant hold back from getting drunk. If he doesnt get drunk, he gets really angry all the time, beats up his kids, whatever. If he is really bad, they put him into detox and he goes through severe withdrawal. Tremors, sweats, fevers, and death can occur.

Mental::
A dude smokes a lot of pot. He likes his herb. He thinks about it a lot. If he goes without smoking, he may become a little easily agitated. He may say (and does), "smoking at certain points during the day makes me the day so much better..."

Ok, you see the difference. Now, all I wanna argue is that a dependcy on christianity (like most christains have) is a form of mental addiction. And it really is... "Praying at the start of each day makes my day go so much smoother... spending time with the lord... blah blah..." is essentially the same as "I need crack rock, man!! i need it!!"

ok, maybe that's an over exageration, but you get what i mean. It will be argued that it's totally different. Ones chemical and the others spiritual. But in essence, it's not so different: they both are used as a crutch to get through the day. Furthermore, it's been proven that praying and singing and all in church does release certain hormones into the bloodstream... so i say that's actually a sign of a possible chemical addiction to worship.

Now i know people are gonna be able to argue against this a lot, but oh well. It has a lot of strong points...

Religion = Opiate.

Peace. :m: :bugeye:

Too bad you cant put religion in a pipe and smoke it. Then maybe i would dabble in it.

MooseKnuckle:::

you know the leaves from a Bible make good rolling paper for joints. I tend to like the KJV with what jesus said in red... it makes for a cooler looking joint.

Peace. :m: :bugeye:

People like TruthSeeker really makes me sick. Poor fanatic, please open your little eyes!

Who is fanatic..?

God has sin. He wants people to worship him. Isn't that "need" is a sin according to your "sin" requirement? Don't tell me "want" is not "need." If you don't "need," why would you "want?"

God is Love. If you worship Love, you will Love others and the result is peace. Peace is accomplished through Love. That's why He wants us to worship Him, He wants us to live in harmony and peace with one another.

People "lack" of harmony;
People "need" peace;
But wait, according your standard, "need/lack" are the roots of all sin!!!!

... *sigh

When we have a need or a lack is because we are separed from God. If you have peace and live in harmony there is no need or lack. So if you are with God there is no need or lack, they simply don't exist at all. You are separed from God. That's why you see need and lack of peace and harmony. But with God, there is no need nor lack.

Even god needs to create something to glorify him. And you are saying with god and you don't need/lack anything?

What's the point to exist if there is no lack/need?

Do you know how borning it is if you got nothing to do becuase you had own/done/seen everything already?

So tell me, if you are with god, what else can you do? Why you need to do it anyway if you have no lack/need for it?

TruthSeeker,

Endorphine? Adrenaline? That's ridiculous! How can someone get addicted to such stupid chemicals!?!?

Have you ever heard of a runner's high? Obviously you're not a runner. I've been a runner/triathlete for about 12 years now and I can tell you those "stupid chemicals" are addictive and real. Some scientists say that the endorphins associated with running and other vigorous exercise are as potient as cocaine.

Check out the link for more info..

http://psychology.about.com/library/weekly/aa081000a.htm

Horseman42

daktaklakpak,

Even god needs to create something to glorify him. And you are saying with god and you don't need/lack anything?
Who said God needs to create something to glorify Him?

What's the point to exist if there is no lack/need?
Live in peace, joy and abundance...

Do you know how borning it is if you got nothing to do becuase you had own/done/seen everything already?
Do you set any limitations on what can be done in this universe (and in others)?

So tell me, if you are with god, what else can you do? Why you need to do it anyway if you have no lack/need for it?
Maybe create a planet and lead its people to freedom from themselves... Isn't that what God is doing now? We will become like Him, so we could create planets and universes and there will be no limitation to our imagination when we know everything. It is certainly not boring...:eek:

Horseman42,

Have you ever heard of a runner's high? Obviously you're not a runner. I've been a runner/triathlete for about 12 years now and I can tell you those "stupid chemicals" are addictive and real. Some scientists say that the endorphins associated with running and other vigorous exercise are as potient as cocaine.

Check out the link for more info..

http://psychology.about.com/library...y/aa081000a.htm
From the link:
"Studies like the above certainly suggest that psychological factors are at least one source of the pleasant feelings people experience during and after exercise. They do not seem, however, to be able to rule out the possibility of involvement of other factors."
Apparently, it the main factor is psychological and not physiological.

"Clinical practitioners and counseling professionals will also find significant value in these studies, when they apply the findings to treating patients with exercise addiction or athletes in need of higher motivation."
I had never heard of such thing before. I'm obviously ignorant on the subject. Maybe that's just because I relied on my own experience with exercises. I had never had such thing at all...

Besides, this apparently only happens if you do exercise in excess. God advises us to do everything in moderation, so if we can really become addicted to exercise, it would be just if we disobey God and do it in excess.

TruthSeeker,

"Studies like the above certainly suggest that psychological factors are at least one source of the pleasant feelings people experience during and after exercise. They do not seem, however, to be able to rule out the possibility of involvement of other factors." Apparently, it the main factor is psychological and not physiological.

I suppose I'm willing to admit the main factor may be psychological instead of physiological, but there is a physiological factor involved.

Besides, this apparently only happens if you do exercise in excess. God advises us to do everything in moderation, so if we can really become addicted to exercise, it would be just if we disobey God and do it in excess.

Well I guess you have to determine what it means to exercise in excess. How many hours a week constitute in excess? Right now my biggest weeks include 20+ hours of exercise a week (about 3 every day on average). Is this too much? You might think so but since I'm training for an ironman I need to train this many hours in order to complete the race.

Everything may be alright in moderation including moderation. Sometimes it's nessary to extend yourself a little bit.


Horseman42

Horseman42,

I suppose I'm willing to admit the main factor may be psychological instead of physiological, but there is a physiological factor involved.
Sure.
Well I guess you have to determine what it means to exercise in excess. How many hours a week constitute in excess? Right now my biggest weeks include 20+ hours of exercise a week (about 3 every day on average). Is this too much? You might think so but since I'm training for an ironman I need to train this many hours in order to complete the race.

Everything may be alright in moderation including moderation. Sometimes it's nessary to extend yourself a little bit.
As long as there is self-control and it is not unhealthy, I guess everything is fine...;)

But if you exceed to much you might hurt yourself or get addicted to it. So everything really comes down to self-control....

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Who said God needs to create something to glorify Him?You see, without man, how could your god demostrate his love? He needs man. He needs interaction.

Live in peace, joy and abundance...But you already had them once you are with god. Why do you need more? I know, you need to experience them again and again. Can you see, you still have need even after you met your god.


Do you set any limitations on what can be done in this universe (and in others)?The point is not how many things you can do once you are with your god. The point is why you are doing them if you have no "need/lack" of them.


Maybe create a planet and lead its people to freedom from themselves... Isn't that what God is doing now? We will become like Him, so we could create planets and universes and there will be no limitation to our imagination when we know everything. It is certainly not boring...So tell me, are those your need? Or are those your god's need? Do you lack any of them once you are with your god? What's your motivation to do anything if you don't need to and don't lack of?

daktaklakpak,

You see, without man, how could your god demostrate his love? He needs man. He needs interaction.
But He doesn't need us in order to exist.

But you already had them once you are with god. Why do you need more? I know, you need to experience them again and again. Can you see, you still have need even after you met your god.
No. hen you are with God, you don't need those things anymore because you already have them It is those who don't have God that have a need for those things.

The point is not how many things you can do once you are with your god. The point is why you are doing them if you have no "need/lack" of them.
For no reason. Why should there be a reason for everything?

So tell me, are those your need? Or are those your god's need? Do you lack any of them once you are with your god? What's your motivation to do anything if you don't need to and don't lack of?
No need nor lack. I don't need need and lack to motivate me to do things. i tie up my shoes just because I want them. I could leave them untied, or I could tie them anyways. Just because I don't have a need to tie my shoes, that doesn't mean I won't do it. Need and lack are not the only motivations for actions.

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
For no reason. Why should there be a reason for everything?

No need nor lack. I don't need need and lack to motivate me to do things. i tie up my shoes just because I want them. I could leave them untied, or I could tie them anyways. Just because I don't have a need to tie my shoes, that doesn't mean I won't do it. Need and lack are not the only motivations for actions. Well, actions not based on need and lack are a bit mindless, don't you think? If you don't agree, that means there is a reason behind your action, but didn't you just say "for no reason"? If you agree, then you must admint that once you are with god, you only do mindless things. How sad!!!

You don't need to have a need or a lack to do something. Need and lack are not the only motivations to act. There are other reasons to do things. Like... I'm talking with you now just to discuss that. I don't need to talk with you and I have no lack of talking with you. The reaosn why I'm talking with you has nothing to do with lack and/or need, so your theory is simply wrong.

You don't need to have a need or a lack to do something. Need and lack are not the only motivations to act. There are other reasons to do things. Like... I'm talking with you now just to discuss that. I don't need to talk with you and I have no lack of talking with you. The reaosn why I'm talking with you has nothing to do with lack and/or need, so your theory is simply wrong


Obviously uve never heard of how emotion motivates , and need of something is an emotional impulse .

U do NEED to discuss whatever u are discussing here , because u have some emotion/feeling within you that whants u to discuss this , explain this or that etc . If u didnt NEED to do so , u wouldnt do so . Obviously u have a small understanding of what need is .

Now , when I go and eat , do i not do so because i am hungry (need for food) , when i drink , do i not do so because i have a need for drink (thirst) etc etc etc

Allahs_Mathematics,

No, I don't need to discuss and there is no emotional attachement to my discussion. In fact, I'm quitting this discussion since it is pretty hard for me to reply messages now. But I post just because I WANT, and not because I NEED. Have you ever heard the word "want"? Why would we have a word "want" if there is only "need"?

No, I don't need to discuss and there is no emotional attachement to my discussion. In fact, I'm quitting this discussion since it is pretty hard for me to reply messages now. But I post just because I WANT, and not because I NEED. Have you ever heard the word "want"? Why would we have a word "want" if there is only "need"?


Yes ....aha , u want...:eek:

U just NEED to know u want man

You don't give up, do ya...?:bugeye:

TruthSeeker,

Nice to know you find a way to continue to post here.

this goes way back to the original post, but:

From need and lack are every sin that has to do with an addiction. For example, drinking, smoking, and so on. They come when you don't focus on God's presence within yourself, which creates a sense of lack and emptiness.

i've never once focused on a presence in myself and have never once felt a sense of lack and or emptiness in myself. i think this feeling is one cultured by ones own self-belief, therefore this sense of lack and or emptiness is something to fall back on when that particular person has pushed the boundaries of their belief, haven't liked what they have found, and are explaining away there problems due to some defficiency that has been caused by neglect i.e. the person doesn't have there mommy anymore so they run to "god". plus, i have never once smoked but enjoy the occassional drink ;)

Anxiety is a mental condition,not a sin,you cant control it.

Damn what are these dipshits going on about anyway?
theres seven sins and thats it:

greed,glutony,pride,anger,envy,lust,sloth.


Since when do you want/need to be angry,its an automated response very often cos someone made you like it.

Envy,true wanting what others have cos you need it.

Alot of other stuff is automated.

I hate all that self righteous shit where people start giving others a hard time and explaining roots of sin and other such garbage. As in the case of the seven sins i guarantee all of us are guilty of 5 or 6 of them many times throughout our lives. Some of the mighty speakers of god go so far as to bash smoking- NOT because they give a flying shit about anyones lungs which is the tragic part. It really demeans the value of human life. I very often hear, "Well god tells us to help others and jesus tells us to love others yada yada." I can't help but wonder how these assholes would be without the almighty god. Some of us are nice , help and love others simply because we want to, not because we are told to. Everything you do, everything you say is ONLY because you must, not because you want to. You are so quick to judge others then turn round and tell people not to judge, you are so quick to try and put down the rest of humanity as being blind when it is you who follows without question.

God came to me in a dream last night. He told me i must type some things for everyone to read. This is how the meeting with god went:

[me]You want me to write on your behalf?
[god]I have chosen you to spread my word
[me]Well, with all due respect but what makes you think people will just believe everything i write without any evidence or proof whatsoever?
[god]It's what mankind does best.
[me]Oh, yeah...
[god]tell them this; I the Lord God have given mankind a brain and have spent my time creating a brain to be used. I am sick of people taking everything i give them for granted. I want to be questioned- so i can answer, i want people to look for me- so i can show them the way. There are way too many fools who go around preaching but haven't the slightest clue what it's all about. It was once said 'the wisdom of man will be brought to naught'. Most people blindly follow human created belief systems that incorporate their own morals, ideas and faiths, they do not follow me. They assume they have all the answers concerning me and yet i will tell you now not one person has the right to say they know me, they understand me, they know what i want. I am God, and they are fools. They assume they have the answers, and as such are 'the wise'. They will end up with the deepest of regrets for their foolishness. They think i, God, has concern over smoking, concern over man using his freedom. They waffle unrelated garbage claiming Cain was the son of the devil and other such nonsense it's a joke. I will tell them now there is no devil, there is no satan. They actually think I, God Almighty, cannot deal with evil, cannot banish evil from MY own creation? Fools! If i create evil it is a slave to me, and me alone and yet they talk as if satan is giving me a fight. Fools! When the time comes I will bless the man who has excercised his mind, not the man who follows blindly any faith he is bought up to believe.

God told me many people would not believe what he has said but they will find out in the long run. If you go against this, you go against god. His words, not mine. Do as you will.

Your god may have spoke to you, or not .... God means object of worship, anything can be "a" god.
But you should test it by the word, if it doesn't agree with every word in the bible then it wasn't the "God of Heaven" that spoke to you.
Your story is not in agreement with the bible, and we are to have our senses exercised in this day in the disernment of Good and evil, being that the Saints shall judge the angels....
I detect a familiar "sound" in the spirit in these words, they have some wisdom, and some truth...a good lie wouldn't be believeable if it didn't have some truth in it.
It just doesn't pass the Word test snakelord....but I did listen, and this I judged for myself. Believe what you will, "judge ye the spirits for yourself, whether they be of God or no".

You are entitled to believe whatever you like Visitor, just as long as you accept the consequences. As an explanation to the 'words' i will recount something told to me often by theists which should explain it's difference to older writings.

"God works for the time, place and circumstance".

As an example: God stated that every man must be circumcised. Christians don't bother. God said anyone who wasn't circumcised was going against his specific rules and going against him.

So is pretty much everyone other than the jews going against god in this respect or not? The only answer i have ever got off a religious guy is that the rule 'no longer applies'. But just to be certain i spoke to god earlier and this is what he had to say:

<God> Do not concern yourself with Visitor for he will learn when the time comes. He seems to think i am incapable of talking how i want to talk, he even speaks more often and more highly of satan. He assumes with all his lowly human mentality that the devil has power over me. I am God, and he thinks he can question my authority? He can follow whatever path he wants, he will learn the truth in due course. I will visit him later and remind him that I am God. I do not have to speak in thous and thees, i do not have to speak a certain way- for to do so would cause nothing but confusion. When i speak to a chinese man, i speak in chinese- when i speak to a dutch man i speak in dutch. When Visitor finds me, and gives up his self righteousness and his own pride he will stop talking about satan and will know who i am.

As for false gods, or 'your' gods Visitor, i can tell you there is only one god. Talking like you are is not going to do you any good.

Ok, I'm going to break this down...you appear to be serious here, and this is kind of an accusation against me or the Words I claim to represent from God, ....so it is a showdown then.
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Snakelord says:
As an example: God stated that every man must be circumcised. Christians don't bother. God said anyone who wasn't circumcised was going against his specific rules and going against him.
So is pretty much everyone other than the jews going against god in this respect or not? The only answer i have ever got off a religious guy is that the rule 'no longer applies'.

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Sure it still applys...The Word of God is forever, He doesn't change His mind about His Word, but.....He does "UNFOLD" it's meaning to us, and Jeus said in this day the holy Spirit judges man by the heart.
This was a type of the circumsision of the heart of man, from the things of the world, to worship only God.
The lamb offering every year was only a type of the real Lamb to come and be offered for our sins, Jesus Christ.
It was done away with when the real come into light the shadows disappear.
When that which is full is come that which is in paet shall be done away with...this is true for our understanding of God also, our Revelatiopn of Him.
It is much clearer now the son of man is come and been revealed to His people, we become one with Him and He is the Word.
All these old testemant types and shadows were parables spoken as law for carnal man to realize he cannot approach the rightousness of God in his sin.
The law is not "done away with" today... but it is magnified to the realm of heaven, the soul, the heart of man....
If you lust for a woman in your heart, jesus said, you have commited adultry already...see
In a a way it's much more..than it was.



But just to be certain i spoke to god earlier and this is what he had to say:
Do not concern yourself with Visitor for he will learn when the time comes. He seems to think i am incapable of talking how i want to talk, he even speaks more often and more highly of satan. He assumes with all his lowly human mentality that the devil has power over me.

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Where do you say I have say such things, ....?
You have mis-understood so let me be clear....
Satan has no power over God. He has been allowed by God as a tool in His hand to do many things in this day....I have said this is "Satan's Eden" and it is true, this is not how the world will be under the kingdom of God to come being set up now in the hearts of men.
The world today is of man's own doing through rebelion against God.



I am God, and he thinks he can question my authority?

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I don't have to question God's authority, It has been revealed today we don't have to guess my friend. God reveals Himself to whom God will, and those who overcome the darkness of this day are seated in heavenly places with Christ.
We speak that we do know. It is written.




He can follow whatever path he wants, he will learn the truth in due course. I will visit him later and remind him that I am God. I do not have to speak in thous and thees, i do not have to speak a certain way-

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The king James is accuate and to accept some "modern translation" risks accepting some mans interpretation...how could they know what it means, because the Seals were not even opened and the rev elation of the Word revealed until this day.




When Visitor finds me, and gives up his self righteousness and his own pride he will stop talking about satan and will know who i am.

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I don't talk about Satan any more than is nessesary to properly place the Word of God and the scriptures.
I bet he wants me to stop talking about him........his schemes have been revealed to the sons of God today, and when they receive the full revelation of the Word, and learns to discern the two spirits in the framework of the church, they will...the manifested sons of God... (the bride of christ), become an invincible army of God...read Rev. 19 because it is today.

Sure it still applys...The Word of God is forever, He doesn't change His mind about His Word, but.....He does "UNFOLD" it's meaning to us, and Jeus said in this day the holy Spirit judges man by the heart.
This was a type of the circumsision of the heart of man, from the things of the world, to worship only God.

All these old testemant types and shadows were parables spoken as law for carnal man to realize he cannot approach the rightousness of God in his sin.

Lol it's amazing how quickly you lot jump up and say 'it's a parable' whenever it suits you. However let's look at the evidence:

Gen 17:9 -14 clearly shows God is talking about real circumcision, not your parable of 'circumcision of the heart'. God goes on to say his covenant is an everlasting one. In Exodus god is going to kill Moses but Zipporah circumcises him so god leaves him alone.

'But Zipporah took a flint knife, cut off her sons foreskin...' Still think that's a parable relating to circumcision of the heart?

God has made a covenant that states every male must be circumcised when they are 8 days old. By changing this into parable you are going against the specific rule of god. Jan says the rule no longer applies because God works to time, place and circumstance. The pair of you are going round changing whatever you want, adding to or taking away from, turning into parable or metaphor, the word of god. You believe and follow whatever suits you best, not what god said.

Where do you say I have say such things, ....
I have said this is "Satan's Eden" and it is true

True to who? Does god concur with you? Not what he told me. God told me there is no such thing, it's the mind of humans slipping away from god that create a physical 'being' from their own personal issues. There is no evil with any form. There is no fiery pit of hell, there is no devil. In every single post of yours, (you can go check), you continually mention satan, demons, devil etc etc.. One must ask why you do so... Is there some 'parable' hidden in there you're trying to tell the world but can't quite find the courage? The 'satans eden', the demons, the devil is in your head and nowhere else. God tells me the terms used in the bible relating to the devil are in fact parables in reference to conciousness. When people have 'skeletons in their closet', that's what it refers to.

I don't have to question God's authority, It has been revealed today we don't have to guess my friend. God reveals Himself to whom God will, and those who overcome the darkness of this day are seated in heavenly places with Christ.
We speak that we do know. It is written.

Firstly, you ain't my friend. Secondly if you understood and knew what was written you wouldn't go to extraordinary lengths to add your own bits to it. You continually do so, so one must wonder if you've read any of it or if you understand any of it. And God tells me this is wrong: "I don't have to question God's authority" He tells me it should say this: "I can't question God's authority"

The king James is accuate and to accept some "modern translation" risks accepting some mans interpretation...how could they know what it means, because the Seals were not even opened and the rev elation of the Word revealed until this day.

Firstly to all intents and purposes the King James is some 'modern translation' yet you accept it above all else, then do some personal 'fine-tuning' of your own to turn it into saying something you want it to. By that you are in fact accepting your own interpretation. God will tell you the truth when he knows you're ready.

I don't talk about Satan any more than is nessesary to properly place the Word of God and the scriptures.

Every single post you make. A man fixated with demons will eventually succumb to them. Scaremongering is a pointless and naive way to think you can change the hearts of others or open their minds to the truth. Perhaps if you sat down and said "God loves you all" it would work better than "You're all the children of satan and will go to hell, so Branham said." I ask which of these is the truth? God loves us all or the devil is taking us? If it's the latter then the former is not true, if it's the former, the latter is not true. God does not show favouritism, God does not let his children go to hell. It would be wise to understand that.

God has made a covenant that states every male must be circumcised when they are 8 days old. By changing this into parable you are going against the specific rule of god. Jan says the rule no longer applies because God works to time, place and circumstance. The pair of you are going round changing whatever you want, adding to or taking away from, turning into parable or metaphor, the word of god. You believe and follow whatever suits you best, not what god said.


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Paul brought this out along with all the other questions of the "works".
To the Gentile under the New Testament with the Holy Ghost being given...the shadows and types give way to the "True"..
The Jews were required to do under the sacrifice of the Blood of Rams and Goats....this could not turn the heart of a believer back to God.

But the blood of Jesus "speaks" better things.

Originally posted by TheVisitor
But the blood of Jesus "speaks" better things.
"A lot of Christians wear crosses around their necks. You think
when Jesus comes back he ever wants to see a fucking cross?
It's like going up to Jackie Onassis wearing a rifle pendant."
-Bill Hicks

So when your wrong....EvilPoet, you just go on and don't admit it.
Then you quote some lunatic comedian (it was kind of funny), but it's absolutly wrong...
The cross is an embem of suffering and shame.
He suffered for us what should have been ours to bear.
And He bore the shame of our sins upon Him.
This is great glory, He got for Himself.
All the sons of God, are asked to crucify themselves daily, bringing the own lives into subjection of the Spirit of God.
"They that are led of the Spirit of God are the sons of God".
"Jesus was the firstborn of many brethren".

We all hope to have tales to tell of battlescars and victories some day over yonder thanks to the glorious victory of our commander and chief...The Lord of lords, Jesus Christ.

Visitor,

You appear to be bored and in need of something
to do. Why don't you go play here (http://www.jesusdressup.com/) for awhile.

>>>>TruthSeeker said>>>>The Roots of All Sin
Just a little teaching for Christians... Little but very useful.
There are only two things that causes us to sin:

· need/lack
· self-centredness

All sins comes from those two.

From need and lack are every sin that has to do with an addiction. For example, drinking, smoking, and so on. They come when you don't focus on God's presence within yourself, which creates a sense of lack and emptiness.

From self-centredness comes pride, worries, hate, selfishness, assumptions, ignorance, arrogance, etc. Again, a lack of focus on His presence within us.


The key to not sin is to focus on God and on helping others, rather then focusing on yourself:

******Inkaboutit reply******You are partly right and partly misleading.

Today born again Christians are basiclly under the Law of Love in our relationship to God, others, and self. Love God as your only deity, God, creator, and love others as you love yourselves. Sin for a Christian is somehow a violation of this law of love in some way. The first step for all people is to become a Christian. With out faith you can't please God.

Ro 13:9 - For the commandments against adultery and murder and stealing and coveting – and any other commandment – are all summed up in this one commandment: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Jas 2:12 - So whenever you speak, or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law of love, the law that set you free.
Micah 6:8 The Lord has told you, human, what is good; he has told you what he wants from you: to do what is right to other people, love being kind to others, and live humbly, obeying your God.

1Co 10:23 – All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

About self centeredness, most things a person does is because there is a benefit to self in some way. But that does not make it a sin. But this is part of law of love, in that we should try to love others as we love ourselves. If I am hungry and go get something to eat, that may not be a sin just because I feed myself food. But if I steal food from someone else to feed myself, then that would be sin. If I have to go to the toilet and I do, that may be self centered, but is not a sin. Many, many other examples of this.

About need or lack, we have many needs and lacks that does not cause a sin. I may need money, so I go out and work for money and use the money to meet my needs or lacks, that is not a sin at all. But if I go and steal the money from another, then that is a sin. But cases there was a need/lack and one resulted in no sin and the other was a sin.

God created all things and said it was very good. Gen 1:31. But part of that design were many needs/lack and many self centered thing needed to to be. But in themselves they are not sin.

Ge 1:31 - Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. ...(Note: God designed our human nature, every detail of our natural sexuality, and said it was all very good. The only bad part of us is what we added, the "sin principal" part.)


So your statement, "There are only two things that causes us to sin: need/lack , self-centredness. All sins comes from those two." Is very misleading and a wrong concluding type statement to say. Need or self centeredness are not the standards to determine if something is a sin.
Since Christians are under one basic law of love, to God, others, and self, then the violation of that law would be a sin.
The government is not under that law of love. God set up Gov't ideals in the OT. For example personally we should not take vengence, but the gov't should be fair and carry out justice for wrong doings.


One Savior--Jesus Christ, One God--our creator God, One Command-- go and tell everyone, One law to follow-- the law of love (the whole law is fulfilled in one law-- the law of love), One heaven-Jesus went to prepare a place for us, One hell-- for non-believers, One heaven- for believer, One work to do--to trust in Christ. http://inkaboutit.homestead.com/one.html

>>>>TruthSeeker said>>>>The Roots of All Sin
Just a little teaching for Christians... Little but very useful.
There are only two things that causes us to sin:

· need/lack
· self-centredness

All sins comes from those two.

From need and lack are every sin that has to do with an addiction. For example, drinking, smoking, and so on. They come when you don't focus on God's presence within yourself, which creates a sense of lack and emptiness.

From self-centredness comes pride, worries, hate, selfishness, assumptions, ignorance, arrogance, etc. Again, a lack of focus on His presence within us.


The key to not sin is to focus on God and on helping others, rather then focusing on yourself:

******Inkaboutit reply******You are partly right and partly misleading.

Today born again Christians are basically under the Law of Love in our relationship to God, others, and self. Love God as your only deity, God, creator, and love others as you love yourselves. Sin for a Christian is somehow a violation of this law of love in some way. The first step for all people is to become a Christian. With out faith you can't please God.

Ro 13:9 - For the commandments against adultery and murder and stealing and coveting – and any other commandment – are all summed up in this one commandment: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Jas 2:12 - So whenever you speak, or whatever you do, remember that you will be judged by the law of love, the law that set you free.
Micah 6:8 The Lord has told you, human, what is good; he has told you what he wants from you: to do what is right to other people, love being kind to others, and live humbly, obeying your God.

1Co 10:23 – All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

About self centeredness, most things a person does is because there is a benefit to self in some way. But that does not make it a sin. But this is part of law of love, in that we should try to love others as we love ourselves. If I am hungry and go get something to eat, that may not be a sin just because I feed myself food. But if I steal food from someone else to feed myself, then that would be sin. If I have to go to the toilet and I do, that may be self centered, but is not a sin. Many, many other examples of this.

About need or lack, we have many needs and lacks that does not cause a sin. I may need money, so I go out and work for money and use the money to meet my needs or lacks, that is not a sin at all. But if I go and steal the money from another, then that is a sin. Both cases there was a need/lack and one resulted in no sin and the other was a sin.

God created all things and said it was very good. Gen 1:31. But part of that design were many needs/lack and many self centered things needed to be part of the design. But in themselves they are not sin.

Ge 1:31 - Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. ...(Note: God designed our human nature, every detail of our natural sexuality, and said it was all very good. The only bad part of us is what we added, the "sin principal" part.)


So your statement, "There are only two things that causes us to sin: need/lack , self-centredness. All sins comes from those two." Is very misleading and a wrong concluding type statement to say. Need or self centeredness are not the standards to determine if something is a sin.
Since Christians are under one basic law of love, to God, others, and self, then the violation of that law would be a sin.
The government is not under that law of love. God set up Gov't ideals in the OT. For example personally we should not take vengence, but the gov't should be fair and carry out justice for wrong doings.


One Savior--Jesus Christ, One God--our creator God, One Command-- go and tell everyone, One law to follow-- the law of love (the whole law is fulfilled in one law-- the law of love), One heaven-Jesus went to prepare a place for us, One hell-- for non-believers, One heaven- for believer, One work to do--to trust in Christ. http://inkaboutit.homestead.com/one.html

Originally posted by inkaboutit
One law to follow-- the law of love
"Law of Love: the person who causes an imbalance
in the cosmic order is the only one who can restore
balance." -Laura Esquivel, the Law of Love

a broad started it truthseeker.

Love God as your only deity

which one?

a broad started it truthseeker.

By the way, where is that kid?