The Rights and Responsibilities of Women...

High on the political/social agenda of the world right now are two things: the social condition of African Americans and the equal rights of woman.

A few years ago it was a greater acceptance of homosexuals typified by the popularity of Ellen DeGeneres "outing". But if you look now, gay rights are just not on the horizon, and although we have made many gains in the way gays are treated and viewed, being "gay" is just not the "hottest" thing right now. As a matter of fact the last remnant of the "Gay Rights" trend may be the television show "Will and Grace" which nonetheless has been a long running success.

But as I said above, at the moment the advancement of minorities and especially blacks is very high on the agenda, but not more than the advocacy of "girl power" and that is what I would like to focus on. The current political trend is for an improvement in the way woman are seen, their conditions, their opportunities and their rights. Behind this is the general belief that woman are on equal footing with men on most things and should therefore have equal rights, opportunities and be treated the same as men. I personally am all for this. Why would I step in the way of anyone that feels they are up to the task and has the backing evidence to prove so. Not only that but I think it is a great trend and it is only a shame it didn't come along sooner.

On the flipside, all is not as good as cake. I think that if woman demand an increase in rights, they should also have to deal with an increase in responsibility. Everything has it's price.

For example, "dating" and "mating" are also high on the popularity scale these days especially with the introduction of Internet dating personals and a plethora of dating television shows such as "Eliminadate", "Blind Date" and MTV's own "Dismissed". I suppose you can probably see where I am going here.

I think if girls want to "wear the pants" they should also start carrying the burden. In the dating game it is the woman the decides the mate. Therefore, woman want to get all these new gains in terms of more opportunities, better treatment, etc. and still want to be in charge of the social/sexual aspects of life. I am sorry ladies but you are all "gaming" us and I am one man that won't fall for it.

If you want to be treated equally then now you have to take the risk to ask me and my fellow men out on dates (I know some girls do this already but its a very small percentage). Thats right, you will now have to face the possibility of the terrible ego-shattering thing called rejection. You will have to stop adopting coy and cowardly behavior patterns and stick your neck out for a change. You girls think it is so easy. You just sit back and look pretty while us guys kill ourselves to woo you and in the process end up humiliating ourselves. And now above all the things you want to turn the tables and grasp all the power in society, that men once held to good or bad effects, and still keep the powers and benefits you had before. One word, over my dead body.

Look, I know you woman have it rough, what with your emotional natures, childbearing and periods. I know how you probably suffer alot more than men from even the slightest everyday tensions and dynamics of life and that you truly have it tough. However, we men don't have it easy either. Usually it does fall on our backs to provide for a family full of bratty open mouths and we have to do so with testosterone pumping through our bodies constantly which screws with our brains, which causes us to do stupid things like cheat, get in fights, look at woman and which creates a steady flow of uncertainty and a lack of clarity in our minds. On top of this we always have to be the courageous ones that are responsible to ask you out and then defend you from any harm that comes your way. If you ask me, men have it alot harder in some ways. Therefore if you ladies are going to assume you deserve more rights, shouldn't you also be prepared to assume some new responsibilities? Just some food for thought.

 

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Another excellent thread Fredx....


Fuck yeah they should...girls don't understand how hard it is for guys to ask girl out and then pay for the dates. This also brings out many other issues.....i have met some women that do not want complete equality in lawful terms but what you mentioned there with the whole dating thing...well that's more of a social change rather than a lawful one.


On the flip side


if such social change occurs then Women should then abuse their husbands, cheat on them, belittle them, use their husbands bodies, beg for sex, treat them like dirt, molest men just as much as men undertake this actions on women.

The ideal side


We just respect each other. Relaize our sex differences, but eliminate our gender differences. Get along with each other....get rid of machos and feminists....get rid of lifetime channel.

The real world

Go look outside the window

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First of all, I would like to commend you Seargentlard for being the first and only one thus far to respond to this post, that took some balls.

Secondly, I have looked out the window and do every day, being about as an active a member of the world as you can be, and I don't see a "real" world, all I see is bullshit, and that is what I would like to help change.

 

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fredx:

Oh goddamn, ain't that the truth!

Nice topic.

Random observations (I haven't 'dated' in years, so bear with me):

I think they've always been high on the popularity scale. Most humans aren't much more than intelligent cattle, fucking and reproducing are their only real concerns.

Not that these things are irrelevent - humans are intelligent because intelligent prehumans were sexier than stupid prehumans.

Who the hell cares? People waste enough time obsessing over their relationships anyway. If I want to fuck someone, I can convey that - otherwise, why should I care who asks who out?

Just chill. Nobody's forcing you to be the one who makes the first move, nobody's forcing you to pay for the date and nobody's forcing you to date insipid sheep.

You do not need sex, you do not need a girlfriend and you don't need other people emotionally.
Our culture would be a whole fucking lot more interesting and intelligent if people kept this simple fact in mind.

 

yah
start killing those bugs, lift shit, open your own door, mow the lawn, go to war and die, pay for dinner. bitch!

for the love of god stop stereotyping, generalizing, mocking, ridiculing, and degrading my sexy ass

 

Radical Feminists

Their goal has never been equality. The purpose of radical feminism is to gain superiority. Indeed, they are offended by the very notion of equality as Schlafly in her 2003 Feminist Fantasies observed:

"In the 1990's, the feminists no longer even pay lip service to a gender-equality goal (except, of course, when it suits their purposes). Their goals are the feminization and subordination of men, and their tactics are to cry 'victimization' and 'conspiracy.'"[p.145]

"Among the report's recommendations is that an organization similar to Hate Watch be established to monitor men's groups on the Web, that inciting hatred on the basis of gender should be a hate crime and that women's groups establish a network to counter the masculinists' views."

Radical Feminists Infest Canada

Masculinists:
Father's rights activist Mark Toogood offers a prevalent definition: "1. A male-friendly framework for understanding social problems. 2. The belief that equality between the sexes requires the recognition and redress of prejudice and discrimination against men as well as women. 3. A complementary, not oppositional perspective to feminism."

how to fight the bitches

ifeminist

 

Spookz, why would anyone want to degrade your sorry ass?

 

There is something else that will have a bearing on your future. Not today or tomarrow but certainly it is coming.

What is it you may ask? Well, here goes...

Studies show that men are falling out of the educational system. Increasingly colleges are trying to come up with ways to attract men back into school. Near 75% of college population is now made of women.

It is to the point that colleges are favoring men when a choice must be made on who qualifies and who does not. Other colleges are trying desprately to come up with ways to attract young men.

What this means is that sometime in the future, your near future of 10-20 years, women will rule the workplace. Better make up your mind now how you will deal with it for it certainly it looms on the horizon...

 

unfortunately it seems that all fred wanted was to have a chick ask him out on a date (and pay)

wake up freddy! i recommend strapping on a ballguard when leaving the house.

 

Think its easy? how ab sitting "pretty" and waiting for the damn moronic ass to come up and ask you out!
But, think of it this way, in some cultures, girls are expected to act passive, otherwise they're considered weird and they dont get any action.

Oh please no pitty here, its really not THAT bad... And, its womEn.

Women can provide just as well. But if you think thats what children are, then dont have a family at all!

Sadly, women have been doing that for ages.
The idea is equality, not domination..... eh you silly little men.... cool off!

Is it really sexy? I wanna see....

 

pfft! wine and dine me for a week. maybe then i'll think about it

 

The woman is dominant in everything except physical strength, I think our male forefathers knew that, hence the historical subordination of women.

BTW, If a girl has not asked you out, payed for a date, etc maybe it is you. Nevertheless, good points.

 

A woman nowadays takes care not only for her children -most of the time- but of her career as well. There arent any true responsibilities of men and women expected, because as time passes we discover that male and female responsibities become connected. Now, more than ever men sometimes take care of their children and the housework, because women are socially more liberated and have their own jobs just as them. Of course men cant even stand the idea that a woman can do as much as them, so what a nice way to confront her thinking less of her even though she showed otherwise. Oh well, we are still living in a patriarchal society because men cant change their minds, they think less of women, and they will always do because of their biological ability (envy)....anyways....it has sth to do with that....mixed with arrogance.

 

Originally posted by daphneeee
There arent any true responsibilities of men and women expected, because as time passes we discover that male and female responsibities become connected.
Yes, but there are still areas where they are distinctly seperated. Dating is still one of these. I think this is more biological then anything though. Men (on average) just think about sex more... which makes us more likely to ask someone out. Women are able to have a good looking male friend without wanting to jump his bones... the opposite is rarely true. I think this is mostly biological, but it may also be social upbringing.

Of course men cant even stand the idea that a woman can do as much as them, so what a nice way to confront her thinking less of her even though she showed otherwise. Oh well, we are still living in a patriarchal society because men cant change their minds
I also find it funny when a feminist sterotypes all males. Not all men think this way, and that should be obvious too you. My engineering firm is about 20% women, which is high considering that less then 10% of engineers are female. This is not the doing of males. About 1/2 of all females drop engineering in their first year. The reason is lack of interest. Once again, there is some reason that most women just don't find the work interesting... and I think it is biological. Women are the 'social sex', and lean toward lives which allow this.

they think less of women, and they will always do because of their biological ability (envy)
Yes, I am so envious. I wish I could pass 8 pound masses out of my crotch. What shall I ever do

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I am more then happy to reap the benefits in this area, with much less work.

 

There are different roles when thinking about who approaches who first. Males are supposed to approach females and that sounds natural...but it is a social phenomenon which will change in a few years, maybe not very much... Males are supposed to approach females because thats the way it was long ago. Women in a traditional patriarchal society were not allowed to look at men because their future huspand would be chosen by her parents. And thats y more or less this thing happens. Men chose it.
About what i said earlier that men want to think less of women even though the women show otherwise, i was talking general. Most men think like that. A woman is like a man and a man is like a woman if there is no knowledge of how they should react (social rules).
You probably didnt understand me when i said about envy...i meant that deep inside men know that women have something more that they cant have-not only talking about the biological ability- because suddenly women who werent allowed to get out of home, now not only they get out but they have the same professional responsibilities as men.

 

Someone here is clearly an idiot. I'm a MS in civil engineering, section cheif in a county governmnet after 5 years of overseas private work on hydropower. Cumlaude in Bachelor, and only Master student graduate in a sememester between 5 other guys from the top civil engineering universty in the nation.

My sis, PhD in electrical engineering, electrophysics major, Stanford graduate. 5 years in the industry as manager even during the time that telecomm companies are laying off by the dozens.....We are both parents of two and pretty. Here is my Sis pic....Mine in the picture thread, page 59.......many many other women surpass us, so we are the norm.

So you still want to explain to us a little bit more about your expertise in the women biology and what women lean to, and how our social works....Either you are a freakin lyer and hater of achiever women or you are just plain ignorant.

 

I don't agree with that at all. If women have the same professional responsibilities and oppurtunities as men, it's great, because it will only improve efficiency and quality of work. Women weren't 'enslaved' because men were paranoid that one day they would usurp their place in society. About housework, I know so many men who wash dishes, cook, feed the baby etc. It's a mistake to suppose that now females do ALL the housework as well astheir job. These days men help out a lot at home. I guess it's a little interchanging of responsibilities.

 

"Women weren't 'enslaved' because men were paranoid that one day they would usurp their place in society"

Initially women were thought of godesses because of their biological ability and of course they were identified with nature because nature was really influential at that time..nature provided them everything they had. Then after the people came to realise that nature could be exploited to suit their purposes the impact of the woman in the society became less. And there started patriarchy...should i say more....(read Sherrys ortner article). Even though women provided more than the huspand they were always thought of not as good as the men. In order to make these rules more acceptable and permanent....people couldnt find a nicest way of suiting two purposes and establishing religion. The first was to write what was wrong and what was right....and the other was to right all their beliefs about women and make all those cute stories..invent a god who ordered all these....and that was it...

 

*drools uncontrollably*

They should ask gay guys, they've got experience.

Hehe.. will they have whips and leather and stuff? I'm not really into that, but I sure would like more chicks where I work. Can they be hot chicks? I really like hot chicks. Can there be a nudity requirement? I think I would REALLY like nude hot chicks at work. It wouldn't really seem like work then.

 

'BTW, If a girl has not asked you out, payed for a date, etc maybe it is you. Nevertheless, good points."

For the record and for anyone who cares, this is an excellent example of a foolish statement, as if girls asking guys out on a date and then paying for the whole thing was as a common occurence as seeing SUV's in suburbia.

Also, it is amazingly how quickly people started to ignore my original post which took me a while to write and even longer to think of, and I would pinpoint that after Xev's second post (it not included) the posts degraded into a pernicious form of mindlessness. This is the problem more than anything else. Modern women want to be in charge but don't want to take things seriously or to heart.

There is only one person that I can applaud here and that is Xev, the rest of you are engaging in a subtle form of whining, whether you are male or female.

At least Xev has learned to assume some kind of responsibility for the world. Here we have a young lady willing to put her ass on the line with her real opinions and a real point of view. Her is a woman that has learned from Nietzsche how to philosophize with a hammer. Besides Xev, the rest of you that have posted here on this post are intellectual frauds.