The Real State of the Union 2008 By the Numbers

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  1. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    HOUSING AND INCOMES

    Inflation-adjusted median household income in 2000: $49,158

    Median household income in 2006: $48,201

    8-year increase in median household income in 2001:
    $6,000

    6-year decrease in median household income in 2007:
    $1,100

    Historical Income Tables - Households, H-6 Tables, U.S. Census 2000 and 2006

    The salary of a full-time minimum wage employee without vacation, 2007: $12,168

    The average salary of a CEO of a Fortune 500 company: $15.2 million

    CEO Compensation, Forbes Magazine. May 3, 2007

    Number of Americans living in poverty in 2001: 31.6 million

    Number of Americans living in poverty in 2008: 36.5 million


    [U.S. Census Bureau, Aug. 2007]

    Amount more Americans earned than spent in 2001: +2.3 percent

    Amount less Americans are earning than spending in 2008: -0.5 percent

    [Bureau of Economic Analysis]

    Total consumer credit debt in 2001: $7.65 trillion

    Total consumer credit debt in 2008: $12.8 trillion

    [Insurance Information Institute]

    ENERGY

    Average price of home heating oil on January 3, 2000: $1.40/gallon

    Average price of home heating oil on January 7, 2008: $3.39/gallon

    United States Energy Information Administration. "U.S. Weekly No. 2 Heating Oil Residential Prices-cents per gallon." December 24, 2007.

    Percentage of U.S. liquid fuel consumption that was imported in 2001: 52.75 percent

    Percentage of U.S. liquid fuel consumption that is imported in 2008: 60.38 percent

    [U.S. Energy Information Administration]

    Exxon Mobil profits in 2000: $7.9 billion

    Exxon Mobil profits in 2006: $36.1 billion

    Exxon Mobil's profit during the second quarter of 2006, per second: $1,318

    CNNMoney.Com, Fortune 500 2006; Exxon Mobil; CNN.com, "Exxon Mobile makes more than $10 billion." July 27, 2006.

    HEALTH CARE

    Percentage of Americans receiving employment-based health insurance, 2000 : 64.2

    Percentage of Americans receiving employment-based health insurance, 2006: 59.7

    U.S. Census Bureau, Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States, 2006. August 2007

    Inflation-adjusted annual cost of a family health insurance premium in 2000: $7,643

    Annual cost of a family health insurance premium in 2006: 11,480

    Employer Health Benefits 2000 and 2006, Kaiser Family Foundation and Health Research and Educational Trust

    The number of Americans without health insurance in 2000: 38.4 million

    The number of Americans without health insurance in 2006: 46.9 million

    U.S. Census Bureau, Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States, 2006. August 2007

    Decrease over 2 years in the number of uninsured Americans in 2001: 4.5 million

    Increase over 6 years in the number of uninsured Americans in 2008: 8.5 million

    [U.S. Census Bureau, Aug. 2007]

    Number of children without health insurance: 8.7 million

    Number of Bush vetoes for additional health insurance for children: 2

    Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States, 2006. Current Population Reports, Consumer Income. August 2007

    DEBTS AND DEFICITS

    The national debt in 2001: $5.7 trillion

    The national debt in Jan. 2008: $9.2 trillion

    [U.S. Dept. of the Treasury]

    U.S. trade deficit in October 2000, monthly: $33.8 billion

    U.S. trade deficit in October 2007, monthly: $57.8 billion

    U.S. Census Bureau Foreign Trade Statistics. December 12, 2007.

    Value of one euro in dollars, January 2000: $1.01

    Value of one euro in dollars, January 2008: $1.45

    Loss of value of U.S. dollar relative to the euro, January 3, 2000-January 2, 2008, percentage: 45

    Federal Reserve Statistical Release. H-10 Historical Rates for Euro Area

    Value of an ounce of gold in 2000 (Adjusted for inflation.): $319
    Value of an ounce of gold, 2008: $892

    "Hike Interest Rates, Lower the Hold Price?" National Review. March 30, 2006; GoldPrice.org 22 January 2008

    U.S. budget balance in fiscal year 2000: $236 billion surplus

    U.S. budget balance in fiscal year 2007: $354 billion deficit

    House Office of Management and Budget. Historical Tables; White House Office of Management and Budget. "Table S-1. Budget Totals."

    http://www.ourfuture.org/real-state-union-2008-numbers
     
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  3. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    good job cosmic
     
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  5. 15ofthe19 35 year old virgin Registered Senior Member

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    Those numbers are definitely a scathing indictment of Congress, and the average consumers inability to put away the credit card.
     
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  7. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    how are they a scathing indictment of the current congress
     
  8. 15ofthe19 35 year old virgin Registered Senior Member

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    How are they not? Congress holds the purse strings. Nothing goes in or out without Congress signing the checks.

    The shameful number of uninsured falls squarely on Congress for not addressing the broken Medicare/Medicaid system.
     
  9. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    Here are my solutions:

    -Implement the FairTax.
    -Everyone, put away the credit card, pay off debts, and quit looking to the government for assistance and handouts.
    -Government, reduce your size, put a cap on your spending, reduce federal regulations on health care, and stop proposing universal health care bullshit.
     
  10. sandy Banned Banned

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    Amen.

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  11. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    universal health care is not bullshit plus some american companies have implied it would be better for them. so better for most people and our corporations why don't we have it
     
  12. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    They won't be happy until American workers are treated worse than the average Chinese peasant.
     
  13. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    yep they want to bring back the robber barons of old
     
  14. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    The only reason many companies want to stop providing coverage is because it's very expensive. Why is it expensive? They pay a huge chunk of it. Why do they pay a huge chunk? Because Americans over use and even abuse the health care system. I mean, when someone is paying say %30 of your bill, you are going to use even more than you would have if you paid for it on your own. People go to their doctor ($100+ bill) just for a common cold. Come on.

    Think about it. If the government stopped with their heath care proposals and companies stopped providing coverage all together, everyone wanting coverage will pay for it and use it less (to keep their premiums down). In the long run, our "health care crisis" will solve itself in the free market.


    You also fail to take into account the people in this country that can afford health care but just don't buy it for whatever reason.

    And don't give me bullshit like "x% can't afford it!" I don't count idiots that rent-to-own TVs or "phat" rims. I also don't count people that pawn their car titles, get tax refund loans, lease cars, or play the lottery.
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Americans get less, not more, medical care per year than Norwegians and Canadians. They pay more, not less, per year for the care they get.

    The amount employers pay for equivalent medical insurance has more than doubled in the past few years. Have Americans been going to the doctor twice as much, getting twice as many operations, etc, on their eimployer's health coverage ?
     
  16. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    how bout the kid right out of college who makes 20k a year and has all of his college loans to pay of or does they not count as well
     
  17. Absane Rocket Surgeon Valued Senior Member

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    Explain why canadians come to the US for treatment. And explain to me why there is an emerging private sector of health care in Norway.

    It's easy for insurance companies to charge more, too. Remember, it's illegal in many parts of the country to obtain health insurance from another state. Why does this matter? It's easy to set up a local monopoly.

    Americans do many unhealthy stuff, too. Why? A few reasons. The first (and probably most important) is that many unhealthy things are fun. A second reason is that the free market strives for efficiency. Example: technology + food = unhealthy food. White bread is a perfect example of this. In general, people prefer white bread over the healthier wheat bread. However, white bread by itself is not healthy. It's missing all the key nutrients (discovered and undiscovered nutrients) and so it's basically a dry sugar sponge. Sure, we "enrich" it but it's not the same. And the thing with efficiency is that if we want to make an extra dollar, we need to do everything faster. This means we don't have time to exercise or to sit down and eat. The latter means we go to McDonald's. But since we want the food to be cheap, McDonald's does whatever it takes to make the food cheap, tasty, and quickly available. Disaster.

    That alone drives up costs. If I pay $30 for an office visit that costs $90 but I am willing to spend no more than $100 OF MY OWN MONEY on any single visit, this means that with insurance I am going to make 3 visits. In total, it costs $270 but I only spend $100. What a sweet deal.

    But then you forget, YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT ALL ANYWAY. Money flows. That "extra" $70 in that one visit didn't come from thin air. Even if that $70 didn't directly flow from my pocket to the insurance company back to the doctor, it came from somewhere.

    What is your point? My point is it's misleading to say that x percent of the population is uninsured when they are counting the wrong people. I mean, congress does this shit all the time. According to them, you can have $10 million in the bank, a paid for house, and a paid for BMW and be considered to be living in poverty.
     
  18. sandy Banned Banned

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    Who the hell gets out of college to only make 20k? Someone who went to Hamburger U?

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  19. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    happens at times
     
  20. sandy Banned Banned

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    That's not even $10/hr. You can make that at WalMart.

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  21. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I don't see you trying to defend POTUS now, why not? :shrug:
     
  22. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    and your point being if you have one
     
  23. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Explain why US citizens go to Thailand for major surgery.

    Rich people don't like to wait for elective surgery. And Canada doesn't do boob jobs on the public tic - probably Norway doesn't either.

    If you pay the freight, you can get what you want in the US - however ill advised and unnecessary. The resources are diverted from more necessary and beneficial care, by the profits to be made.

    And Canada has to contend with a brain drain - some kinds of specialists get paid more, in the US, and so their services are more available in the US. It's like the Indian docs - get their education on the taxpayer, in India, and come to the US where the salaries are inflated by the need to pay off huge student loans. (One of the reasons the US system hasn't completely collapsed yet is the draw of foreign educated medical folks to the high salaries required by the domestic system. If we had to rely on the domestic high schools and colleges and even more borrowing by students - - - ).
    So you're saying you would schedule two unnecessary trips to the doc just to use up the $100 you had budgeted for doc visits? I'd buy a round at the bar and concert tickets.

    Mysterious, isn't it. Wal Mart is the largest single employer in many states, second to a major temp agency in others. They usually don't hire full time.
     

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