We did not evolve from primates, nor were we created by a supernatural god. All life on Earth, including us, were created by scientists from another planet. If you are interested in learning more about the Raelian Movement, just go to The Raelian Movement website (http://www.rael.org) and download a free e-book starting with "Intelligent Design: Message from the Designers".

Bull. Fucking. Shit.
Also, isn't it against forum rules to, uh, post advertizements to your site, to sell us crap? Oh, yeah, it is.

take me to your leader, we are not crazy, this is a science forum, not a out of your head forum, it's bad enough with religious fantasy, but now we have Intelligent Design by aliens, take a hike loon.

And who or what created those scientists/designers?

Raelean1 - Help me, please. I'm utterly lost and alone and don't know where to turn. I feel I may one day explode without knowing why I'm here and who I am.

Can you help?!?

We did not evolve from primates, nor were we created by a supernatural god. All life on Earth, including us, were created by scientists from another planet. If you are interested in learning more about the Raelian Movement, just go to The Raelian Movement website (http://www.rael.org) and download a free e-book starting with "Intelligent Design: Message from the Designers".

I personally know your VP from the SF chapter (Felix Clairvoyant... he worked
at Sugen for a while -a biotech company-). As much as he thought he was
a 'bonified microbiologist', he was nothing more than an absolute fruitcake;
although, the sex parties he mentioned were interesting. Go take your
modified star of david and make some flying saucer videos.

And who or what created those scientists/designers?
Finally, someone asked me the question wher the alien scientists came from. The answer is that they were created from other alien scientists from another planet and these aliens were created from yet other scientists from another planet. This is an infinite process. There is no starting point. If we don't destroy ourselves, we too will create life on oter planets, including intelligent life just like us. Therefore neither gods nor evolution is the answer.

Raelean1 - Help me, please. I'm utterly lost and alone and don't know where to turn. I feel I may one day explode without knowing why I'm here and who I am.

Can you help?!?
:eek: Help you how???

The answer is that they were created from other alien scientists from another planet and these aliens were created from yet other scientists from another planet. This is an infinite process. There is no starting point.
Sounds illogical. A scientist must have a starting point.

And who or what created those scientists/designers?
theres a good starting point for you, lawdog.
now try putting that same logic to how your non-existent deity came about, does a little light switch on in your head.

Hey! Isn't that a mexican hat with stairs on the front page of the raelian website? And isn't that a rather tall oompah-loompah standing at the base of the steps?

Hi Raelian1:

Whatever became of your organisation's claims to have cloned a human being?

Raelian1,
I believe you completely, if you look at this world you could just laugh. Big bang is ridiculous the same as Darwin theory.

Qorl,

I believe you completely, if you look at this world you could just laugh to stupid people. Big bang is ridiculous the same as Darwin theory.
Translation: My brain is a barely functioning soup of biochemical compounds with the consistency of watery oatmeal.

Believe me when I say beweddle blurg, selphiperous ix dogflaggle. Comblump wezeldraph uwth ogsfornisquibble.

superluminal
-There is little room left for wisdom when one is full of judgment. ~ Malcolm Hein
-Intellectuals solve problems, geniuses prevent them." ~ Albert Einstein
-Genius is close to idiot. ~ Steve Cator
-Man is a genius when he dreams. Dream what you are capable of. The harder you dream it, the sooner it will come true. ~ Akira Kurosawa
-There was never a genius without a tincture of insanity. ~ Aristotle
-No one can arrive from being talented alone. God gives gifts us talent, work transforms talent into genius. ~ Anna Pavlova
-I believe that instinct is what makes a genius a genius. ~ Bob Dylan
-Genius ... is the capacity to see ten things where the ordinary man sees one. ~ Ezra Pound

Oh shit! Quotes, much more convincing than evidence. I'm coming over to your side guy, sign me up.

Help you how???

Why am I here, who am I? Can't your scientists answer these questions?

So then, who am I?

Kid Rock called me Paul with the Ball.
Dave Mathews sang Lift me up love, come on, come on Paul.
Stevie Nicks and Cheryl Crowe call me master sorcerer.
Joan Osborne calls me God.

What did these scientists put me here for and how do these sorcering rock and roll people know who I am before I do?

What are you talking about, witnessjudgejudy?

What did these scientists put me here for and how do these sorcering rock and roll people know who I am before I do
Two-part answer, in order.
1) Light relief.
2) Because you don't have a clue.

We did not evolve from primates,

I got news for you. We *are* primates. We're in the suborder Anthropoidea along with the orangutan, the gorilla, and the chimpanzee.

wow...sounds like we've got satan, jesus, buddha and mohammad all here at once, solving all of the mysteries of the universe. i bet somewhere right now, aliens are cracking up. i believe in intelligent life beyond ours. how insane to not believe! i believe they have intervened, and helped, for years, and are still doing so. i believe that some amazing truths are about to be revealed for us. so may people on this site believe themselves to be so insanely intelligent, that they literally put themselves in another box, without even realizing it...thus limiting themselves to further learning, because they are blocked by their own egos.

so what will we evolve to next, and when is the evolutionary cut off?I got news for you. We *are* primates. We're in the suborder Anthropoidea along with the orangutan, the gorilla, and the chimpanzee.

so what will we evolve to next, and when is the evolutionary cut off?

that's all dependent on what the environmental pressures are tomorrow and which variations enable optimal adaptation to those pressures. The only evolutionary cutoff is extinction consequently. It's a never-ending process otherwise.

My point, is that if we truly came from primates, I am certain we would've seen a continuation of evolution. We are separated from animals, because of our ability to reason. I just believe that there is no current proof to support evolution. We are human, and have evolved as much as we are going to, as a species. I don't see us growing wings or horns, but rather, changing internally and being more multi dimensional and spiritual.

My point, is that if we truly came from primates, I am certain we would've seen a continuation of evolution. We are separated from animals, because of our ability to reason. I just believe that there is no current proof to support evolution. We are human, and have evolved as much as we are going to, as a species. I don't see us growing wings or horns, but rather, changing internally and being more multi dimensional and spiritual.

I think there is some confusion surrounding this. We *are* primates and we *are* animals (mammals more specifically). Our intelligence is a variation introduced to our species quite some time ago that promoted survival above and beyond other variations at the time and this led to quite a bit of successful reproduction (which of course propogated the variation).

Regarding proof of evolution, I would highly recommend taking some coursework at a local college for two reasons.

1) there is a significant amount of evidence that supports the theory.
2) there is evidence in this thread that the theory is being misinterpreted (it's not an easy concept to grasp from discussion board context).

What the future holds for the human species is all a matter of what future pressures exist and how we adapt to them (or don't if thats the case). As an example, right now there is a societal pressure for in-depth education and those whom can adapt to this are far more likely to be successful and reproduce. I think the next million years may promote some pretty beneficial mental variations.

Two-part answer, in order.
1) Light relief.
2) Because you don't have a clue.

Where do I get a clue?

Two-part answer, in order.
1) Light relief.
2) Because you don't have a clue.

How do I get a clue?

For god sake dont they teach science where you come from, darwin was EASY to understand. Much easier than the square root of neg numbers.

You cant see evolution because it happens to slowly, when an animal moves into an area that has resorces ready to be exployted it with thrive, thereby becoming more prominate. When enough of these changes happen (to the point that the creatures cant interbreed anymore) they are concidered a new specises (i think that definition changed since i was taught to be if they WONT naturally interbreed rather than they cant). The old specises may still exist if its "tricks" are still effective or the specises may have branched off more than once or the whole specises may have gone the same way. Evolution is as much luck as anything else. There used to be a specises of fish that proved this perfectly (wish i could rember the name but i couldnt even pronounce it), with the same genetic diversity as humans have from eachother they had evolved into a HUGE variaty of different sub specises including one that just ate eyeballs (rember that specifically because the book i was reading made a joke about it)

My point, is that if we truly came from primates, I am certain we would've seen a continuation of evolution. ...

Continuation, huh?
Check out this article entitled:
Human brains enjoy ongoing evolution (http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7974)

How can anyone look at an adult chimp (or other great ape) and not see the immediate connection, in hundreds of details, between us? It's the height of intellectual blindness and fear.

My point, is that if we truly came from primates, I am certain we would've seen a continuation of evolution. We are separated from animals, because of our ability to reason. I just believe that there is no current proof to support evolution.

Well, what you believe and what supports evolution are two different things. The fact the we are able to reason IS a result of evolution.

And, evolution is continuing, each and every day, month, year, etc...

Your religious beliefs are simply contradicted by evidence and you choose your religious beliefs over the evidence. That's no ones fault but your own.

Do you have any proof? spacecrafts? alien scientist droppings? etc

can you debunk the evidence that evolutionists have. such as fossils

do you disagree with evolution? and if so, which of the parts "stronger beings will be more likely to survive" and "Stronger bengs give birth to strogner young (on average)" do you disagree with?

Raelian1,
I believe you completely, if you look at this world you could just laugh to stupid people. Big bang is ridiculous the same as Darwin theory.

Thank You!!

So if Darwin's theory (evolution) is ridiculous, what do you think is the origins of all life on Earth?

Also, if the Big Bang is nonsense, how was the universe created?

Thank You!!

So if Darwin's theory (evolution) is ridiculous, what do you think is the origins of all life on Earth?

Also, if the Big Bang is nonsense, how was the universe created?

The universe was created by a thought first, then spirit did the work. There was no math or science involved. math and science are only used to try to explain what already exists. A fish is a fish, a monkey is a monkey, and a bird is a bird. Man does seem to be devolving, but I think it's just due to our education system and liberal tolerance and lack of morality and decreasing belief in God. This current generation of man is doing exactly what the bible has said it would do.

Thank You!!

So if Darwin's theory (evolution) is ridiculous, what do you think is the origins of all life on Earth?

Also, if the Big Bang is nonsense, how was the universe created?


Unfortunately Darwin's theory is not ridiculous unless one chooses not to believe in it.

I think the Raelian movement is still not getting at the crux of the issue of where mankind came from. At the most, it removes us from being created by God to being created by other beings. Where were these other beings created? By other beings. Where were these other beings created? And so on. So it still doesn't tell us the ultimate question of where human beings came from.

And why the heck couldn't these "creator aliens" just have children and colonize the earth rather than going to all the trouble of creating human beings (which they themselves already were)? Why reinvent the wheel?

A fish is a fish, a monkey is a monkey, and a bird is a bird.

Was a dinosaur a dinosaur? How did they fit in with the first thought?

A fish is a fish, a monkey is a monkey, and a bird is a bird.

Was a dinosaur a dinosaur? How did they fit in with the first thought?

He had to start somewhere. He probably decided that dinosaurs were too large for the earth and would not fit in comfortably with man.

Two-part answer, in order.
1) Light relief.
2) Because you don't have a clue.

Thanks for the molecule of truth; however, no one on earth has desire for Light relief. I can shed a little light, but cannot give relief to a race that does not feel a need for it.

I think this generation was born dead, with no love for what is good and right.
I've been here 44 years and have been rejected every step of the way. As the bible says "he came to his own and his own received him not". My heart has grown completely cold towards humanity. I told TBN (Trinity Broadcasting Network) in an email 2 days before the NewOrleans hurricane that I was going to stir the waters. I did the same thing just before 9/11/2001. Coincidence? maybe.

If you wound an animal, will not the animal turn on you?

I'm pretty sure that the relief I have to give in the form of light is permanent relief from suffering in physical existence. Again as the bible says something like, "they will be destroyed with the brightness of his coming". The earth will probably quake and bring everyone to their knees at some point. "every knee shall bow".

If the raelian scientists created me and allowed me to suffer this way, I will spend eternity working on their termination also.

He probably decided that dinosaurs were too large for the earth and would not fit in comfortably with man.

Then, he made a mistake? And he had to wipe them out and wait millions of years of evolution to catch up?

There was a special on that science channel that was talking of the effects that El NIno had on the finch bird population. it talked about studies that were done on how that natural phenomena changed the finches. they went from eating small seeds to eatting large seed that the finches had to adapt to and many died because they did not have large enohg beaks and that was when the climate changed there and mani plantlife died and they had to rely on other forms of food and only those that had those adaptations thrived, and then there is that blood sucking finch which also happened in the galapagos due to shortage in food for those birds that they had to find another source, and that is when they started feeding of the blood from the blue footed boobies (galapagos bird booby in singular) and feeding of their eggs actually finding ways to crack the eggs that were almost as big as they were. and i saw how they made them bleed fromdifferent parts and many finches feeding from that. so there are many ways we can see evolution at work whether it is from inscects (metamorphosis) to animals. now i don't expect for many people to care but please dont post insults, give your opinions which you have a right to but i am not here to insult others and would like the same. and the guy that did that report's name is Nigel Marven

Now about the alien thing, i do believe that there must be life out there because from so many planets that must out there it would just be a waste if ours were the only one with life on it, but i don't believe in that aliens created us and i don't care if some people do so long as they don't try to mess with my rights as a person or inforce their believes on me and as long as it does not promote violence nor discrimination towars others that don't believe and whatever.

It's possible carbon lifeforms such as us exist because of meteorites and asteroids pummeling the earth creating a life-soup millions and millions of years ago, it is also possible some of these meteorites and asteroids contained something "alien" to our planet at the time.

But thats about as far as i would go with the "made by aliens" idea.

I tend to think life as a mould or a bacteria that some planets catch, so we may have been hit by something that helped produce this mould/bacteria (life).

Thats all humans are, an evolved lump of disease covering a planet, the planets without life are the OK ones, they are not sick.

superluminal
How can anyone look at an adult chimp (or other great ape) and not see the immediate connection, in hundreds of details, between us? It's the height of intellectual blindness and fear.

-Yes we could see that, but I'm not jumping like a spider man all over the New York - jet :-)

(Q)
My point, is that if we truly came from primates, I am certain we would've seen a continuation of evolution. We are separated from animals, because of our ability to reason. I just believe that there is no current proof to support evolution.

-God

alain
Do you have any proof? spacecrafts? alien scientist droppings?

-God is billion years more advanced than we are.


witnessjudgejury

He had to start somewhere. He probably decided that dinosaurs were too large for the earth and would not fit in comfortably with man.

-No, God needed a new challenge

(Q)
He probably decided that dinosaurs were too large for the earth and would not fit in comfortably with man.
Then, he made a mistake? And he had to wipe them out and wait millions of years of evolution to catch up?

-He doesn't need to catch up on anything.

I just believe that there is no current proof to support evolution.

That's fine, we'll evolve along without you then.

Qorl,

Proof of evolution -

4004, 8008, 8080, 286, 386, 486, Pentium, Pentium II, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Itanium.

Cris
Yes :-)

Finally, someone asked me the question wher the alien scientists came from. The answer is that they were created from other alien scientists from another planet and these aliens were created from yet other scientists from another planet. This is an infinite process. There is no starting point. If we don't destroy ourselves, we too will create life on oter planets, including intelligent life just like us. Therefore neither gods nor evolution is the answer.
so accepting eternal existence of aliens is far better than believing ever-existed God?

Finally, someone asked me the question wher the alien scientists came from. The answer is that they were created from other alien scientists from another planet and these aliens were created from yet other scientists from another planet. This is an infinite process. There is no starting point. If we don't destroy ourselves, we too will create life on oter planets, including intelligent life just like us. Therefore neither gods nor evolution is the answer.
I couldnt' remember who this story was told about, but on looking it up, I've discovered that the name changes, and it has been told of people like Bertrand Russell and Carl Sagan. Anyway, the story goes like this:

A well-known scientist (some say it was Bertrand Russell) once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the Earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the centre of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy.

At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise."

The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?"

"You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down."

I don't know if the Raelian doctrine is literally as described by our Raelian friend there - merely talking about starting life on other planets. There are, however, sound technological reasons for supposing that a sufficiently advanced civilisation would be able to create an entire Universe in simulation, using some advanced equivalent of computer technology. Given that, there is a very high mathematical probability to suppose that this has already happened - and we're living in it right now!

After all, everyone is entitle to believe as they wish.

After all, everyone is entitle to believe as they wish.
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M*W: The chasm is great indeed between believing as one wishes and wishing what one believes is true.

http://www.watchman.org/profile/raelianpro.htm

After all, everyone is entitle to believe as they wish.

But why would you want to believe in nonsense? How is that beneficial to you?

Can anyone tell me why every single person posting in this thread is full of guano?

Sorry, I can't tell you why you're full of guano.

What the hell is quano?

The universe was created by a thought first, then spirit did the work. There was no math or science involved.

A thought is a human atribute, a god that thinks is a contradiction. Thought derives of brain mechanism. Does your god posses a brain?. If it does, it can't be eternal existence, it can't be omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, because the brain has it's limitations, thus so would your god if it ever had a thought!. :eek:

A fish is a fish, a monkey is a monkey, and a bird is a bird.

And a pile of Bull shit is a pile of Bull Shit!. :bugeye: It only becomes believable when one is ingnorant of any other alternative, and rationalizes without having any knowledge of reality. Thus the earth is not flat, and the earth is not the center of the universe.

Man does seem to be devolving, but I think it's just due to our education system and liberal tolerance and lack of morality and decreasing belief in God.

You are quite correct in this observation; as long as man insists to believe in mysticism, gods, devils, ghosts, and intelegent design, and other pundits force it in our educational system, a step to contradict science, men would be devolving and becoming idiots as we were once, it's called the dark ages.

Godless

Yea, that's it...

"Give me anything but Jesus. And I mean anything."

:rolleyes:

Give me anything but Jesus. And I mean anything."

And Mohammad, Allah, Buddah, Zeus, Mithras, etc.... :rolleyes:

Godless