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Erring Flatley 10-19-04, 06:35 PM It is estimated there are a billion galaxies within viewing range of Earth and that the average number of stars in a galaxy is about one billion. Of these billion billion stars the chance that there planets with civilizations much more advanced than ours is certain. It is sure they have developed technology to the point of being god-like. The chance that they have reached out into the universe to explore it and control it, is also certain. And the chance that they have found us is sure. Without doubt they are monitering us and in fact controlling our civilzation. Have you assumed responsibility for your actions or have you abandoned your resposibilities and become a puppet of their control over Earth?
James R 10-19-04, 08:13 PM It is estimated there are a billion galaxies within viewing range of Earth and that the average number of stars in a galaxy is about one billion.
A billion stars in a galaxy seems a little large to me, but maybe I'm wrong.
Of these billion billion stars the chance that there planets with civilizations much more advanced than ours is certain.
It is far from certain. In fact, there is much debate about this.
It is sure they have developed technology to the point of being god-like. The chance that they have reached out into the universe to explore it and control it, is also certain. And the chance that they have found us is sure. Without doubt they are monitering us and in fact controlling our civilzation. Have you assumed responsibility for your actions or have you abandoned your resposibilities and become a puppet of their control over Earth?
Now you're really speculating, without evidence.
cosmictraveler 10-19-04, 09:00 PM "Have you assumed responsibility for your actions or have you abandoned your resposibilities and become a puppet of their control over Earth?"
Since I'm a puppet master then I am in control, right?
vslayer 10-21-04, 03:37 AM who says they are more advanced. in order for their to be certainty of a more advanced race, there must be certainty for a lesser one
WildBlueYonder 10-29-04, 08:51 PM It is estimated there are a billion galaxies within viewing range of Earth and that the average number of stars in a galaxy is about one billion. Of these billion billion stars the chance that there planets with civilizations much more advanced than ours is certain.
There may be billions & billions of stars, but only one advanced civilization, Earth.
Read this book first:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0387987010/102-1793897-1705731?v=glance
Rare Earth: Why Complex Life is Uncommon in the Universe
by Peter Douglas Ward, Donald Brownlee
a review from this link:
http://www.astro.washington.edu/rareearth/aboutthebook.html
The Rare Earth hypothesis
*Microbial life is common in planetary systems.
*Advanced life (animals) is rare in the Universe.
About the authors
Peter Ward
Peter is a professor of geology at the University of Washington and a member of the Astrobiology program. He is a paleontologist by trade, he has does extensive studies on ammonites and global mass extinctions.
Don Brownlee
Don is a professor of astronomy at the University of Washington and also a member of the Astrobiology program. He specializes in the study of extraterrestrial samples, comets and the early solar system. He is the principal investigator of the NASA Stardust mission that will collect comet samples and return them to Earth.
A Canadian 10-29-04, 09:14 PM I hardly call human life an advanced civilization. We are far from it. It is a question of if we will make it to that point before we kill ourselfs.
Curious 10-29-04, 09:32 PM It is estimated there are a billion galaxies within viewing range of Earth and that the average number of stars in a galaxy is about one billion. Of these billion billion stars the chance that there planets with civilizations much more advanced than ours is certain. It is sure they have developed technology to the point of being god-like. The chance that they have reached out into the universe to explore it and control it, is also certain. And the chance that they have found us is sure. Without doubt they are monitering us and in fact controlling our civilzation. Have you assumed responsibility for your actions or have you abandoned your resposibilities and become a puppet of their control over Earth?
You'd have fun with The Drake Equation.
http://www.seti-inst.edu/seti/seti_science/drake_calculator.html
Erring you seem to have a habit of speculating without evidence...
Quoted from: http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=41719&page=2&pp=20
Erring Flatley Post
No, silicon life is not at all as easily formed as carbon based life. For a major point SiO2 is not a gas at reasonable temperatures and silicon compounds do not disolve easily in water. Europa is too small to have the necessary thermonuclear reaction in its core to produce the necessary lighter weight elements for life. Titan is the closest to having the right size, but still too small. Venus is closer to having the right size but note that it is lacking in the high levels of water that supported early chemical evolution on Earth.
Another advantage our solar system has for life is the asteroid belt. As asteroids continually fall into the sun, they are constantly fueling the sun and extending its life, particularly its life at the Earth useful level. But someone ought to figure the exact usage of mass by the sun and then figure the gain in mass by meteorites and compare the two.
(Yes, I was refering to the distance/size of sun ratio if you read closely. I worried that would slip by you speed readers.)
Intersolarsystem communication is possible by using relays station satelites and laser beamed electromagnetic waves. The waves might be in the cosmic range for minimum dispersion.
And once again, it is far too far between solar systems for intersystem travel. It takes too much time and too much energy to gain the needed speed. And, why would anyone want to do it anyway given that it would take generations to do it.
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To speculate life exists elsewhere within the universe is pretty much a Cert. (a Certain Fact).
However to suggest some life elsewhere in the universe thats more advanced than use is controlling us, is incorrect for the lack of proof and lack of logic.
For instance you could say that Mankind used horses to plough fields before they created tractors, however as he used horses the horse knew full well the man was behind the reins. (The horse of course wouldn't have enjoyed it, however the enforced "puppeteering" was in full view as dominance through mastery would require such a visual interpretation for fear and order.)
"When the Cats away, the Mice will play." - Anon
It could be said with our current technological level, and our past enforced "Cold War" stance across the world (which was enforced by those that made money from it.)
It could be suggested that the use of subversion technologies was in use (even though governments have this innane ability to deny things that are actually true, and usually proven by one or other government desensitizing their past secret papers that reflect the true nature of the denying governments sworded past.)
Such subversion would of been used to shape anarchy groups to one particular governments view, perhaps indoctrines for Terrorism, even Assassination schemes using mental afflictions and common middle-class people.
My suggestion though is such tyrrany will soon die out, due to the evolution of technology and the fact that the people of the world although ununited, all vye for the same freedoms and goals. So eventually Heirarchy within the governments will probably move to a further democratic stance, by removing Bureaucratic dictators like the current politicians and their parties and replacing them with Democratic systems that "Elect Policies" instead of "Personalities".
(Currently in the UK about 40% of the people turn out to vote, Where the other 60% who don't turn out are classed as "Abstein". I am one of those 60%, however I didn't choose "Abstein" I wanted a "NO VOTE!" for None of the "available" politicians, which to me means the country I'm apart of is run by a Minority... a Minority of Approx: 20% or less of the population.)
Anyhow thats politics, however my suggestion here is about the evolution of what we do with our Social systems and the eventual evolution to a level that you would previously defined as "Puppeteers". In reality, I would suggest that we wouldn't control another species if we were of a more advanced nature, because we no longer "Enslave the free world" so why Enslave another World?
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errrrrrrrbut we DO enslave the free world. 'we' meaning the ones doing it. you dont think yourself a slave?
stay as sweet as you are
Dr Lou Natic 10-30-04, 06:30 AM Even if only one in a billion stars in the universe are orbitted by a life harbouring planet, that still means there's more than a billion life harbouring planets.
For all we know the majority of stars might be orbitted by either a life harbouring planet or a planet with the potential to harbour life like mars (or both like the only star we are truely familiar with).
Even if its unlikely for the basic building blocks of life to evolve into a diverse range of organisms (and I definately don't think it would be unlikely, given time I think it's bound to happen due to the nature of competition which inherently exists with life) we'd still have a very large number of diverse kingdoms of organisms out there.
Barring the extremely unlikely possibility of a massive defiance of chance consistent throughout the universe I think its safe to say we are far from alone or new or even very original in the history of the universe.
extrasense 10-30-04, 07:03 AM Do not forget Mars. In fact, do not close your eyes on Mars life.
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