American culture is doing my head in. Its everywhere music, politics, fast-food outlets, television, movies,etc.
What really is left of our own countries? America has practically over-taken society!

The lower end of society.

Do you eat, listen to music, watch television? If so, that is you, 'The Lower End of Society'

Are you saying the upper classes don't need to eat?

I live here in America.. I am getting quite tired of commercialism, and people trying to sell me images. I must look like the A&F models, eh?

And I was born here... one would think I wouldn't think much about this as it should be "just part of my life."

:rolleyes:

no i am not saying that, stop mis-interpreting my wording. I meant what i said in my thread starter.

If you hate it so much, NERD, then go someplace else where it can't touch you.

American culture is doing my head in. Its everywhere music, politics, fast-food outlets, television, movies,etc.
What really is left of our own countries? America has practically over-taken society!
Dude, all your failed countries/cultures are flooding our country with folks trying to get away from you as fast as they can.

If all you folks had your sh@t together, you'd have no complaint and neither would we.

well i can't you dumb fuck, hence why its "the omnipresence". IT FUCKING EVERYWHERE, I CANNOT GET AWAY FROM IT.

The Mexican government is trying to get their people to move to the US. For one the money they send back home helps their economy. Two it probably sucks living there (well compared to what the US is used to).

its not just the 'omnipresence of america' anymore its everywhere in modern times, deal with it

American culture is doing my head in. Its everywhere music, politics, fast-food outlets, television, movies,etc.
What really is left of our own countries? America has practically over-taken society!



All of these things are fueled and maintained by the consumers.

All you have to do is stop buying american stuff.

If everyone who hates it does that, bye bye anti-culture. If there's no market abroad then there will be no reason to export this stuff to the rest of the world.

Unfortunately our countries are full of idiots who love tawdry american crap....but with the way the US is acting it won't take much more for this kind of thing to start happening.

No it's quite easy to avoid it.

Many places in Central America have extremely small Americana in them. Africa too. Ditto much of Eastern Europe. Serbia, from what I understand, is almost devoid of it except a little bit of American music popularity. Heck even Scandinavia has less Americana than most areas of the world. And if you really can't run far... Quebec City in Canada has legal protection against American influence.

But, my bet is you're just a whining baby. You wouldn't have the balls or chutzpah to actually move away from it or stop buying into it.

The omnipresence of Americana is not surprising nor is this anti-Amerianisim surprising. Dislike and imitation always follow greatness of any kind.

-Dale

As does pomposity and bragging.

I'm sure people said the same of the Brits at the height of their powers... although the world was less connected then, so they probably only said it in the British colonies.

How amusing. Back in the days when most of this stuff was not available in most countries, you all loved it. You loved us. You begged us to be your pen pals even though we've never liked paper correspondence.

Then you begged us to send you American blue jeans, American rock and roll albums, American candy, American movie star memorabilia. You put pictures of American cars on your walls. In the countries where it was permissible, you pestered your TV outlets to broadcast American shows with dubbed-in translated dialog. You dreamed of a hectic vacation in crowded, noisy, busy, rude, paved-over America the way we dream of a peaceful sojourn on a sleepy island. Then when the lucky ones actually made it over here you demanded to be taken to Disneyland, to cruise Hollywood Boulevard in a Cadillac convertible, to walk through a shopping mall. And when we had to go to work and leave you home alone you spent the whole day watching our TV shows, listening to our music on the radio, going through the newspaper and pulling out advertisements of stores you wanted to go to.

Then when your countries became more prosperous you wanted your very own Disneylands. You queued up for hours to be the first in line when your very own McDonalds opened. You fight each other to get tickets when Bruce Sprinsteen or Metallica come on tour.

About the only thing you discovered you really don't like is our cars, and I have a feeling that if gasoline were cheaper in your countries you'd be driving Buicks and Dodges too.

You've spent sixty years dreaming about America and things American, wishing you could have what we have. Now you've got it.

Remember the old warning:

"Be careful what you want. You might get it."

Stop complaining and eat your Kentucky Fried Chicken.

i actually dont mind the american way of life, so much so that im going there on my gap year

Soon Mexicans will be the majority, and "America" will be a meaningless third world shithole.

Oh bugger off, D'ster. You add your puerile racist comments to every thread. Mexicans assimilate faster than almost any ethnic group that's ever come here. You're gonna be glad they're here when their children pay for your Social Security check.

Go hang out in the KKK chat room with your friends.

Are you really counting on Mexican's and Social Security to secure your financial future?

America? Where? :)
I'm just back from a classical music (organ and solo violin) concert in a cathedral almost three centuries older than Columbus.
I saw Japanese people there, a bunch of Italians, Spaniards, a lot of Russians, no Americans though.

Well that's no surprise. Where culture is, americans aren't.

Are you really counting on Mexican's and Social Security to secure your financial future?No, you'll be paying for mine in a couple of years.

If all you folks had your sh@t together,...
well i can't you dumb fuck, hence why its "the omnipresence". IT FUCKING EVERYWHERE, I CANNOT GET AWAY FROM IT.
Then at least be intellectually honest. American culture isn't your problem. The implied humiliation of coming in a distant 2nd is the problem. ;)

America? Where? :)
I'm just back from a classical music (organ and solo violin) concert in a cathedral almost three centuries older than Columbus.
I saw Japanese people there, a bunch of Italians, Spaniards, a lot of Russians, no Americans though.
Living in the past. UnAmerican, dude. ;)

Well that's no surprise. Where culture is, americans aren't.
Hell, yeah. Yogurt sucks.

Soon Mexicans will be the majority, and "America" will be a meaningless third world shithole.

lol

You don't think this is inevitable??

No. Thanks to the 2nd Amendment.

America? Where? :)
I'm just back from a classical music (organ and solo violin) concert in a cathedral almost three centuries older than Columbus.
I saw Japanese people there, a bunch of Italians, Spaniards, a lot of Russians, no Americans though.

Can u drive there from Ohio? i'm not far from Columbus.

Then when your countries became more prosperous you wanted your very own Disneylands. You queued up for hours to be the first in line when your very own McDonalds opened. You fight each other to get tickets when Bruce Sprinsteen or Metallica come on tour.

We already had our own disneylands. Media hype makes people go to Eurodisney. And how eurodisney struggled to make a profit. Because the americans thought Europeans loved all things american. They don't.

Americans fight for rolling stones tickets. Europeans fight for Robbie Williams tickets. Americans don't.



About the only thing you discovered you really don't like is our cars, and I have a feeling that if gasoline were cheaper in your countries you'd be driving Buicks and Dodges too.

I see about one american car a day here. Usually it's an old classic beautifully restored. Or it is an old shitter on the verge of death. The reason Europeans don't buy American cars in general is simple. They are just shit. Nothing to do with gasoline being more expensive.


You've spent sixty years dreaming about America and things American, wishing you could have what we have. Now you've got it.

You confuse the American dream with European dream.


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And yes, the american hype is forced upon us and the idiots go for it.

Living in the past. UnAmerican, dude. ;)
Bwhahahaha! What do you mean by "past"? It's here and now. On this side of the pond there are quite some people who prefer classical music over pop.

You confuse the American dream with European dream.


Alright, I'm curious: Where are you from? I'm wondering where you're opinion is coming from. More importantly, how would you define the "European dream"? I haven't heard a definition and I'm wondering if it's that far off from the American perception.

Also, to anyone else, do you think it's other nations trying to keep up with America, or America pushing its 'culture' onto other nations?

peace

Trying to keep up with what exactly? Economics - most likely. Culture, arts, fashion - don't think so.

p.s. I live in Europe and have never heard the phrase "European dream" before. I don't think there is such.

I agree- mostly economics. So then does that mean its just corporate America pushing the rest of the way? I just don't understand why Europeans buy into it if they resent it so much. You can't say they dont, because wouldnt these companies not be able to stay in business? ...though maybe it's so overwhelming its hard to avoid?

p.s. I live in Europe and have never heard the phrase "European dream" before.
me either...i think it has something to do with cheese though.

I agree- mostly economics. So then does that mean its just corporate America pushing the rest of the way? I just don't understand why Europeans buy into it if they resent it so much. You can't say they dont, because wouldnt these companies not be able to stay in business? ...though maybe it's so overwhelming its hard to avoid?
Actually McDonalds pushed out of Lithuania and there are only a few (6 or so) left in Latvia, because nobody really likes them. The people I see by them usually are foreign tourists and truck drivers.
I don't know for Western Europe, but I don't see Eastern Europe much buying into it (I travel EE mostly)

...though maybe it's so overwhelming its hard to avoid?

The cultural colonialism overwhelms.

Look at the television program schedules for any European country, especially the commercial channels. Without the stuff imported from across the Atlantic they'd be threadbare.

--- Ron.

classical music (organ and solo violin) concert in a cathedral


How does the violin sound in a cathedral?, sound interesting :)

Very dreamlike, light, it's as if the sound wasn't there, but netherless it can be well heard. I think fantastic acoustics of the place serve to it, but it sounds epsecially great when together with pipe organs, they complement each other beautifully, something you don't hear in church music during sermons.

And it's not only about the violin, but about other instruments and even random sounds, because even during the loudest and most passionate parts of organ music even the slightest cough or cry of a child can be heard all over the main hall of the cathedral, thus even a violin that is not played loud can be equally well heard beside a really loud pipe organ (it was the biggest in the world when it was built in the 19th century). The experience is very surreal, because we tend to logically assume that louder music silences the quiet one, but it's not like that in that place.
Only shows the mastery of the original builders.

During evenings they want to please a bigger crowd, so they perform classical music that is not strictly intended for church songs (the originally catholic cathedral founded by one of the orders of crusaders in the early XIII century is now occupied by the lutheran church since the 16th century) and sometimes mix not only violin together with organs, but also drums or vocals.
I go there about and at least once a week, it's great for relaxing in a state of half-awake-half-asleep, I've heard no modern sound recording that can beat acoustics of live music in a cathedral, not even our National Opera, which I too visit now and then.

No. Thanks to the 2nd Amendment.


And that would be???

And that would be???
The right to own guns. ;)

Trying to keep up with what exactly? Economics - most likely. Culture, arts, fashion - don't think so.

p.s. I live in Europe and have never heard the phrase "European dream" before. I don't think there is such.

ssshhhh!