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MetaKron
10-12-07, 08:44 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21262661/

Al Gore wins Nobel Peace Prize
Warming is ‘greatest challenge’ ever, he says, earning praise and criticism
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 6:28 p.m. CT Oct 12, 2007
Earlier versions of this story incorrectly reported that former Vice President Al Gore won an Academy Award for the film "An Inconvenient Truth." The film won two Oscars, for Best Documentary and Best Original Song, but Gore was not cited for either.

OSLO, Norway - Al Gore and the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change won the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize Friday, and the former vice president used the attention to warn that global warming is "the greatest challenge we've ever faced."

World leaders, President Bush among them, congratulated the winners, while skeptics of man's contribution to warming criticized the choice of Gore.

Gore in a statement said he was " deeply honored ... We face a true planetary emergency. The climate crisis is not a political issue, it is a moral and spiritual challenge to all of humanity."

"It is the most dangerous challenge we've ever faced, but it is also the greatest opportunity we have had to make changes," he later said at a brief news conference in Palo Alto, Calif.

Gore did not take any questions. As he walked away a reporter asked if he would run for president, but Gore did not respond.

Gore’s film "An Inconvenient Truth," a documentary on global warming, won an Academy Award this year. He had been widely expected to win the peace prize.

"His strong commitment, reflected in political activity, lectures, films and books, has strengthened the struggle against climate change," the Nobel citation said. "He is probably the single individual who has done most to create greater worldwide understanding of the measures that need to be adopted."

It cited Gore's awareness at an early stage "of the climatic challenges the world is facing."

Panel's two decades
The Nobel Peace Prize committee also cited the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change for two decades of scientific reports that have "created an ever-broader informed consensus about the connection between human activities and global warming."

The IPCC groups 2,500 researchers from more than 130 nations and issued reports this year blaming human activities for climate changes ranging from more heat waves to floods. It was set up in 1988 by the United Nations to help guide governments.

Climate change has moved high on the international agenda this year. The U.N. climate panel has been releasing reports, talks on a replacement for the 1997 Kyoto Protocol on climate are set to resume and on Europe's northern fringe, where the awards committee works, there is growing concern about the melting Arctic.

The Norwegian Nobel Committee said global warming "may induce large-scale migration and lead to greater competition for the Earth's resources. Such changes will place particularly heavy burdens on the world's most vulnerable countries. There may be increased danger of violent conflicts and wars, within and between states."

Gore said he would donate his share of the $1.5 million that accompanies the prize to the non-profit Alliance for Climate Protection.

Ole Danbolt Mjoes, chairman of the prize committee, said the award should not be seen as singling out the Bush administration for criticism.

"A peace prize is never a criticism of anything," he said. "A peace prize is a positive message and support to all those champions of peace in the world."

President Bush abandoned the Kyoto Protocol because he said it would harm the U.S. economy and because it did not require immediate cuts by countries like China and India. The treaty aimed to put the biggest burden on the richest nations that contributed the most carbon emissions.

The U.S. Senate voted against mandatory carbon reductions before the Kyoto negotiations were completed. The treaty was never presented to the Senate for ratification by the Clinton administration.

“Al Gore has fought the environment battle even as vice president,” Mjoes said. “Many did not listen ... but he carried on.”

The White House said the prize was not seen as increasing pressure on the administration or showing that President Bush’s approach missed the mark.

“Of course he’s happy for Vice President Gore,” White House spokesman Tony Fratto said. “He’s happy for the international panel on climate change scientists who also shared the peace prize. Obviously it’s an important recognition.”

Fratto said Bush has no plans to call Gore.

Fans and foes
Reaction to the award was immediate.

"He's like the proverbial nut that grew into a giant oak by standing his ground," Patrick Michaels, a scholar with the free market Cato Institute, said in a statement. "We can only hope that he can parlay his prize into a run for the U. S. presidency, where he will be unable to hide from debate on his extreme and one-sided view of global warming."

British bookmakers once put 100-to-1 odds on Gore winning an Oscar, becoming a Nobel laureate and becoming president. He has now accomplished two of the three, and on Friday bookies slashed the odds to 8/1 from 10/1.

Gore, 59, has been coy, saying repeatedly he’s not running for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008, without ever closing that door completely.

FoxNews.com columnist Steve Milloy alleged that Gore "plays fast and loose with the facts to advance his personal agenda."

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown called Gore " inspirational in focusing attention across the globe on this key issue."

Julia Marton-Lefèvre, head of the World Conservation Union, said that, "as Mr. Gore and the IPCC have clearly demonstrated, we can solve the grave dangers posed by climate change if we have the will. Let the Nobel Peace Prize become the embodiment of that will."

"Al Gore made it okay to talk about global warming over breakfast and dinner tables all across America," added Frances Beinecke, president of the Natural Resources Defense Council. "He made this unprecedented challenge understandable and the solutions accessible for millions of people."

'Question of war and peace'
The Nobel committee often uses the coveted prize to cast the global spotlight on a relatively little-known person or cause. Since Gore already had a high profile some had doubted that the committee would bestow the prize on him.

In recent years, the committee has broadened the interpretation of peacemaking and disarmament efforts outlined by Swedish industrialist Alfred Nobel in creating the prize with his 1895 will. The prize now often also recognizes human rights, democracy, elimination of poverty, sharing resources and the environment.

Two of the past three prizes have been untraditional, with the 2004 award to Kenya environmentalist Wangari Maathai and last year's award to Bangladeshi economist Muhammad Yunus and his Grameen Bank, which makes to micro-loans to the country's poor.

Jan Egeland, a Norwegian peace mediator and former U.N. undersecretary for humanitarian affairs, called climate change more than an environmental issue.

"It is a question of war and peace," said Egeland, now director of the Norwegian Institute of International Affairs in Oslo. "We're already seeing the first climate wars, in the Sahel belt of Africa." He said nomads and herders are in conflict with farmers because the changing climate has brought drought and a shortage of fertile lands.

draqon
10-12-07, 08:48 PM
Finally we will get worlds attention and people will realize that it is time to invest in space...and move out of this melting planet!

spidergoat
10-12-07, 09:00 PM
The animosity towards this exemplary humanitarian on the part of those who don't even believe in science is amazing. It's the same kind of hatred an addict might show to someone who arranged for an intervention.

draqon
10-12-07, 09:02 PM
The animosity towards this exemplary humanitarian on the part of those who don't even believe in science is amazing. It's the same kind of hatred an addict might show to someone who arranged for an intervention.

I do believe it! This dude who won Nobel Prize is serious...it is time to leave the planet!

MetaKron
10-12-07, 10:03 PM
The animosity towards this exemplary humanitarian on the part of those who don't even believe in science is amazing. It's the same kind of hatred an addict might show to someone who arranged for an intervention.

Actually, this "animosity" comes from believing in science.

I move that all further discussion of global warming be moved to Pseudoscience, or that a category called "junk science" be created.

http://sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=72418

spidergoat
10-12-07, 11:26 PM
How do you explain the unprecendented rise in CO2 levels in modern times? What do you think happens to all our pollution? You must think the Earth is 10 times bigger than it really is. It's unreasonable to assume that this phenomenon has caused no impact on the Earth's climate.

VitalOne
10-12-07, 11:54 PM
Woah, what a shame that Al Gore has to win the Nobel peace prize instead of an actual scientist who made an actual discovery. Looks like some liberal wacko must have been giving out the award this year.

Global warming a huge hoax, I can't believe so many of these foolish liberals get so sucked into Al Gore's propaganda...a lot of the "facts" in his movies aren't really facts, and are completely inaccurate

The CO2 levels causing the heat to rise? The data shows the opposite, it shows that when the heat rises, CO2 levels rise also, not the other way around. The only thing we're actually 100% certain of is that there are warming trends and cooling trends, that are pretty spontaneous. Some years are hot, some years are cold, etc...Just because one year is hot and another is cold it doesn't indicate anything.

Remember the 70s? That's when "global cooling" was the thing, all the charts, all the data, and everything indicated that the Earth was going to freeze over and there would be another ice age...ROFL, just the same as with this "global warming" hoax

"It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species" - Lowell Ponte (1976)

The samethings are happening now, people getting overly excited and misinterpreting graphs, I wonder how they can have the graphs in 1978 showing global cooling (the temperature decreasing) and now in 2007 have graphs showing the temperature increasing, its all up to the interpretation

Ripley
10-13-07, 12:47 AM
from Newsweek:

The point to remember, says Connolley, is that predictions of global cooling never approached the kind of widespread scientific consensus that supports the greenhouse effect today. And for good reason: the tools scientists have at their disposal now—vastly more data, incomparably faster computers and infinitely more sophisticated mathematical models—render any forecasts from 1975 as inoperative as the predictions being made around the same time about the inevitable triumph of communism.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15391426/site/newsweek/page/0/

MetaKron
10-13-07, 04:51 AM
How do you explain the unprecendented rise in CO2 levels in modern times? What do you think happens to all our pollution? You must think the Earth is 10 times bigger than it really is. It's unreasonable to assume that this phenomenon has caused no impact on the Earth's climate.

When the temperatures of the oceans increase, the water releases CO2.

And by the way, genius, why can't any of you supporters come up with something better than "it's unreasonable to assume"? And why was Al Gore's case trivially easy to crack? He's supposed to have the inside track and it turns out that his presentation was totally lame.

sniffy
10-13-07, 04:57 AM
The Nobel peace prize isn't just open to scientists. That's what the Nobel science prizes are for...duh!

MetaKron
10-13-07, 05:20 AM
I do believe it! This dude who won Nobel Prize is serious...it is time to leave the planet!

I'm going to have a really hard time dealing with warmer winters and extended growing seasons.

mountainhare
10-13-07, 09:51 AM
draqon:

Finally we will get worlds attention and people will realize that it is time to invest in space...and move out of this melting planet!


I'm sure that the cancer cells in the left lung say something similar when they want to metastasize to the bone.

GeoffP
10-13-07, 10:04 AM
Metakron, there is little doubt of global warming. Gore's efforts are laudible in the extreme. Only an adolescent nutbar would argue otherwise.

S.A.M.
10-13-07, 10:15 AM
draqon:


I'm sure that the cancer cells in the left lung say something similar when they want to metastasize to the bone.

That is a really great analogy. I like!

MetaKron
10-13-07, 12:42 PM
Metakron, there is little doubt of global warming. Gore's efforts are laudible in the extreme. Only an adolescent nutbar would argue otherwise.

That kind of line proves you wrong all by itself.

sniffy
10-13-07, 02:48 PM
draqon:


I'm sure that the cancer cells in the left lung say something similar when they want to metastasize to the bone.

No they say you're fucked and you're going to die. unless you can get the antidote (aka chemotherapy/radiotherapy) the scientists came up with to challenge this disease and give you a little bit longer to spend with your family. And your point mountainhare is? oh yea, right. Cleva ain't ya?

S.A.M.
10-13-07, 02:50 PM
I think his point is moving to another planet is not a solution since it does not take care of the basic problem.

pjdude1219
10-13-07, 03:00 PM
Woah, what a shame that Al Gore has to win the Nobel peace prize instead of an actual scientist who made an actual discovery. Looks like some liberal wacko must have been giving out the award this year.

Global warming a huge hoax, I can't believe so many of these foolish liberals get so sucked into Al Gore's propaganda...a lot of the "facts" in his movies aren't really facts, and are completely inaccurate

The CO2 levels causing the heat to rise? The data shows the opposite, it shows that when the heat rises, CO2 levels rise also, not the other way around. The only thing we're actually 100% certain of is that there are warming trends and cooling trends, that are pretty spontaneous. Some years are hot, some years are cold, etc...Just because one year is hot and another is cold it doesn't indicate anything.

Remember the 70s? That's when "global cooling" was the thing, all the charts, all the data, and everything indicated that the Earth was going to freeze over and there would be another ice age...ROFL, just the same as with this "global warming" hoax

"It is a cold fact: the Global Cooling presents humankind with the most important social, political, and adaptive challenge we have had to deal with for ten thousand years. Your stake in the decisions we make concerning it is of ultimate importance; the survival of ourselves, our children, our species" - Lowell Ponte (1976)

The samethings are happening now, people getting overly excited and misinterpreting graphs, I wonder how they can have the graphs in 1978 showing global cooling (the temperature decreasing) and now in 2007 have graphs showing the temperature increasing, its all up to the interpretation

um 130 scientist got it too he was just a cowinner not the only winner

sniffy
10-13-07, 03:07 PM
I think his point is moving to another planet is not a solution since it does not take care of the basic problem.

Is thaat right? Thanks for helping me out there. I think I was making another point entirely but I DO that!

S.A.M.
10-13-07, 03:12 PM
Is thaat right? Thanks for helping me out there. I think I was making another point entirely but I DO that!

With mountainhare its hard to tell what the point is, so I don't blame you. :D

GeoffP
10-13-07, 03:21 PM
That kind of line proves you wrong all by itself.

Actually, it doesn't.

MetaKron
10-13-07, 05:22 PM
Yes, it does.

draqon
10-13-07, 05:23 PM
Yes, it does.

Actually, it doesn't.

GeoffP
10-13-07, 05:30 PM
Yes, it does.

Actually, it doesn't.

draqon
10-13-07, 05:30 PM
Actually, it doesn't.

Yes, it does.

MetaKron
10-14-07, 08:18 AM
It proves that Geoff knows that he's wrong, anyway.

Now, I think that the alleged top authority on global warming would be able to come up with a presentation that wasn't riddled with errors. That's eleven errors and still counting.

GeoffP
10-14-07, 09:33 AM
Actually, it doesn't.

MetaKron
10-14-07, 10:13 AM
That's what you want me to think.

spidergoat
10-14-07, 02:16 PM
It proves that Geoff knows that he's wrong, anyway.

Now, I think that the alleged top authority on global warming would be able to come up with a presentation that wasn't riddled with errors. That's eleven errors and still counting.

He's not even allegedly the top authority. If you are genuinely interested in the science, that would be fine, but in this case, people just have a political interest in smearing Gore.

MetaKron
10-14-07, 02:40 PM
Gore shouldn't make it that easy, and my political interest is in fielding a credible Democrat.

GeoffP
10-14-07, 03:24 PM
Actually, it isn't.

mountainhare
10-14-07, 08:38 PM
sniffy:

No they say you're fucked and you're going to die. unless you can get the antidote (aka chemotherapy/radiotherapy) the scientists came up with to challenge this disease and give you a little bit longer to spend with your family. And your point mountainhare is? oh yea, right. Cleva ain't ya?


Umm, I think you need to reread what I wrote.


I'm sure that the cancer cells in the left lung say something similar when they want to metastasize to the bone



Originally Posted by S.A.M.
I think his point is moving to another planet is not a solution since it does not take care of the basic problem.


Pretty much...

James R
10-14-07, 09:30 PM
So now, according to the climate skeptics, the Nobel Prize committee are all a bunch of deluded liberal politicians with no respect for science.

Surprise surprise.

When are these people going to get with the programme?

MetaKron
10-14-07, 09:44 PM
The Nobel Prize committee did what was popular instead of what was right.

pjdude1219
10-14-07, 10:12 PM
The Nobel Prize committee did what was popular instead of what was right.

what give the peace prize to 130 scientists who proved global warming how is that not right?

draqon
10-14-07, 10:16 PM
So now, according to the climate skeptics, the Nobel Prize committee are all a bunch of deluded liberal politicians with no respect for science.

Surprise surprise.

When are these people going to get with the programme?

ummm James R...according to you who is it exactly that needs to get down with the programme? the climate skeptics or Nobel prize committee

it is unclear to me were you stand on this issue.

Stryder
10-15-07, 08:46 AM
ummm James R...according to you who is it exactly that needs to get down with the programme? the climate skeptics or Nobel prize committee

it is unclear to me were you stand on this issue.

I think he's stating that Politicians should stick to politics, because at least that's only one thing they mess up rather than everything else.

My arguement on the subject would be that Gore supposedly was concerned with the Environment PRIOR to ever considering a political role. For people to turn around and mar the man and of course those that make up the Nobel committee proves just how uneducated they really are on the subject.

(For the most part Nobel prizes are Life Achievements, Since when have Politicians managed to stay in office for their entire lives? No, this prize wasn't awarded because of some political rhetoric but because of what's been done to wake people up to footprints on the Environment we make.)

Anyhow if it was just about politics why not just go with the usual:
"We'll make the documents on Roswell public" (This ones been overused IMHO)

phlogistician
10-17-07, 06:49 AM
I do believe it! This dude who won Nobel Prize is serious...it is time to leave the planet!

And screw up another? I think not. We have managed to cause climate change in the very brief period of our history just since the Industrial Revolution, so unless only a select few could go to another planet, it wouldn't be long before we screwed that one up to.

Also, any planet capable of hosting life, probably is, so we don't really have the right to go mess with their ecosystem.

Also, who is going to pay for the select few to leave? What interest do I have in some jet jockeys starting a new life on a new planet if I get left behind to mop up the mess?

So nobody gets to run away. We must stay and face up to what we have done.