So it would seem that we dodged another one - though the jacked-up security at British airports is bringing air travel to its knees. Stock markets are reeling and people everywhere are taking a deep breath.

Scotland Yard is saying that dozens of people were involved with a planned attack that sounds an awful lot like Oplan Bojinka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oplan_Bojinka) and had it succeeded it would have been a suitable successor to 9-11.

I suppose we will learn how law enforcement and intellegence found out about this plan. In the meantime, however, it is obvious that it is only a matter of time until a plot succeeds and kills another few thousand people. As Hypewaders noted in another thread (before it went off on a tangent about rap music and slavery):

Americans as a whole pay scant attention to death, suffering and escalations abroad. Yet thousands of angry, capable and well-funded people are certainly at work preparing the next operations that will involve the deaths of Americans in our own streets. It has been well proven what can predictably capture the attention of the American public, and inspire us to great recklessness. So like the next big hit from Hollywood, the next 9-11 is coming soon.

I'll make a prediction - there will be an announcement that several (or maybe all) of the planners have ties to Iran and / or Syria. Whether they actually do or not, they will undoubtedly confess to such ties under interrogation. Then we will have the excuse required to directly attack those countries.

Now now now, before any of you jump to conclusions - these *might* not be muslims!

I mean the "religion of peace" would never have anything to do with this!

In fact, I say America and Israel are to blame.

/just thought I would get that out of the way before the crazies of this forum said it

//amazed that Muslims aren't routinely attacked around the World in the streets for the amount of death/destruction/violence they cause

one thing i dont get is that after september 11, somehow it has become acceptable to attack a country because you suspect that someone who commits a crime has a "connection" to said country.

Now now now, before any of you jump to conclusions - these *might* not be muslims!

I mean the "religion of peace" would never have anything to do with this!

In fact, I say America and Israel are to blame.

/just thought I would get that out of the way before the crazies of this forum said it

//amazed that Muslims aren't routinely attacked around the World in the streets for the amount of death/destruction/violence they cause
we dont need people like you around here, newguy.
bigotry has no place.

Yeah, because these forums are entirely balanced with the likes of Brian Foley et al crawling around.

Funny how no one can say anthing about muslims nowadays without gullible anti-islam-defamation-brigade members calling them a bigot - despite the obvious "bigotry" that muslims display towards non-muslims (with their violence) on a daily basis around the World.

Yeah, because these forums are entirely balanced with the likes of Brian Foley et al crawling around.

Funny how no one can say anthing about muslims nowadays without gullible anti-islam-brigade members calling them a bigot - despite the obvious "bigotry" that muslims display on a daily basis around the World.

Are you applying that to ALL Muslims around the world?

foley is considered a troll around here, with only a few people that take him seriously.
just because one clown does something like that doesnt mean the rest of us should drag the standard of the forum down.

it has nothing to do with muslims, and everything to do with disparaging remarks made because of a person's particular faith. i hope you can see this.

Muslims aren't the problem.

Islam is the problem. And since ALL Muslims adhere to Islam, there is a chance that ALL muslims have the capacity to carry out violent acts as is prescribed by their religion, Islam.

Or would you like to explain to me why there are daily conflicts in India, Russia, Thailand, Phillipines, Nigeria, Sudan, Indonesia, etc etc involving Muslims and Non-muslims whereby it is most times Muslims harassing non-muslims? What connects all these conflicts together?

the problem is politics, not religion.

and you only see muslim-on-nonmuslim violence, because that is what your tv tells you is happening. research islam from an alternative resource.

How about this resource.

Two of my family members had their throats cut in Kashmir, India simply because they were non-muslims living in "muslim area".

How dare they live in this land that was ours for hundreds of years before Islam was even formulated in the mind of a madman?

And how dare the rest of the World question Islam and its followers, right? I mean, we can't even post pictures of their prophet [who was a proven paedophile and bandit] without them going ballistic and setting buildings on fire.

And yet they continue to keep getting the free passes, and it is the Western world which must start re-evaluating itself in light of these actions.

Amazing.

well, i am sorry about your loss.
i had over 100 family members killed in iraq by saddam hussein's chemical weapons, but i dont hate Baath party members.

that kind of situation is something i cant answer to. sorry for the confusion, hopefully you will find a peaceful resolution to your personal demons regarding this issue.

violence only begets violence.

And not everybody in Iran is a muslim extremist. Not everybody in Iraq is a muslim extremist. In fact, now there are probably more muslim extremists in Iraq as were before the US invaded a sovereign nation unprovoked.

well put.

I bet some of the suspects arrested in the U.K are of pakistani or arab origin!

they were all british.

The Devil Inside, you still can't read properly:

I bet some of the suspects arrested in the U.K are of pakistani or arab origin!

Muslims aren't the problem. Islam is the problem. And since ALL Muslims adhere to Islam, there is a chance that ALL muslims have the capacity to carry out violent acts as is prescribed by their religion, Islam.

Islam? Surely the interpretation of the Koran etc differs amongst Muslims. How many people interpret the Bible differently to promote/condemn various beliefs? E.g. some use the Bible to justify violent acts.

And are roundly condemned by the rest of Christianity, were is the condemnation from the rest of Islam?

I bet some of the suspects arrested in the U.K are of pakistani or arab origin!

Pakistani or arab.

Anyone who knows simple facts knows that pakistani and arab are two totally different things/worlds.

Strangely enough the suspects are pakistani or arab.

That would be similar to stating: the suspects are either american or russian.

I'll bet a rapidly devaluing dollar that the suspects will be announced to be Brits of Iranian and / or Gulf States origins, with tight connections to money and material out of Iran and Saudi.

The Devil Inside, you still can't read properly:

I bet some of the suspects arrested in the U.K are of pakistani or arab origin!
and you still cant read properly...every report i have read says that they were all british born.

dont be inflammatory unless you need to be.
stfuyrnah

And are roundly condemned by the rest of Christianity, were is the condemnation from the rest of Islam?

Thats wasnt the issue, Indymaestro said "And since ALL Muslims adhere to Islam, there is a chance that ALL muslims have the capacity to carry out violent acts as is prescribed by their religion, Islam."

If that is true (I don't believe it) the same can be said for any religion.

I'll bet a rapidly devaluing dollar that the suspects will be announced to be Brits of Iranian and / or Gulf States origins, with tight connections to money and material out of Iran and Saudi.

Let's go one step further!

I bet it was the JOOOOOOOS who planned this whole thing so that the Western powers will intervene in the war in the middle east.

Or heck, maybe this is an "inside job" like 9-11 was.

It's never, EVER the muslims fault is it?

Pathetic.

Let's go one step further!

I bet it was the POLISH who planned this whole thing so that the Western powers will intervene in the war in Europe!.

Or heck, maybe this is an "inside job" like the Reichstag fire was.

It's never, EVER the Jews' fault is it?

Pathetic.

there you go.

Thats wasnt the issue, Indymaestro said "And since ALL Muslims adhere to Islam, there is a chance that ALL muslims have the capacity to carry out violent acts as is prescribed by their religion, Islam."

If that is true (I don't believe it) the same can be said for any religion.

So what do you think about Muhammad, the Exemplar of Islam, being a bandit, paedophile and all-around not a nice guy? The fact that he resorted to highway robbery and violence to further his political aims in the region doesn't mean anything to you? Muslims who use violence are only following the example set by their exemplar.

Christians who use violence are in direct dissonance with the teachings [LIFESTYLE] of Christ - regardless of if he was the Son of God or not.

The Devil Inside:“ Originally Posted by Buffalo Roam
The Devil Inside, you still can't read properly:


“ I bet some of the suspects arrested in the U.K (are of pakistani or arab origin! ” )

and you still cant read properly...every report i have read says that they were all british born.

dont be inflammatory unless you need to be.
stfuyrnah ”



and you don't have any compressive ability either.

so, in fact, what you are saying is that christians are better people than muslims?

i am wondering how you have lived so long with an attitude that wildly inaccurate.

probably only talks like this on the internet, like our resident jewbasher Foley.

there you go.

And what does that have to do with the absurd claims that most Muslim apologist, america-hating conspiracy theorists make?

The Devil Inside:“ Originally Posted by Buffalo Roam
The Devil Inside, you still can't read properly:


“ I bet some of the suspects arrested in the U.K (are of pakistani or arab origin! ”)


and you don't have any compressive ability either.
or·i·gin Audio pronunciation of "origin" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ôr-jn, r-)
n.

1. The point at which something comes into existence or from which it derives or is derived.

And what does that have to do with the absurd claims that most Muslim apologist, america-hating conspiracy theorists make?
just drawing a parallel for you...there were people 60 years ago that said the same kinds of things.

Nickelodeon, were is the condemnation from the rest of Islam?

The Devil Inside, you get a cookie, were is the origin of these people, Anglo or Semitic?

So what do you think about Muhammad, the Exemplar of Islam, being a bandit, paedophile and all-around not a nice guy?

This is your interpretation, not mine.

so, in fact, what you are saying is that christians are better people than muslims?

i am wondering how you have lived so long with an attitude that wildly inaccurate.

probably only talks like this on the internet, like our resident jewbasher Foley.

Christians reformed their religion centuries ago. You don't see a world-wide aggression against non-christians anymore.

Can the same be said of Muslims? They seem to be stuck in the same medieval cesspool as when their religion was formed. Islam and politics have ALWAYS gone hand in hand and one of the prime goals of islam is to turn every single last person on the planet into an ass-lifting automaton. And to boot, they even turn inwards on themselves! I firmly believe that if muslims didn't have an "other" to blame for all of their Ills (Israel, America, India) they would self-implode in a massive Shia-Sunni civil war like we see in Iraq (which, try as hard as you america-haters might, is NOT the fault of America).

So yeah, I have issues with Islam and not Christianity.

And while we're on the subject, i'm curious to know how you can tolerate a religion that has zero provisions for Human Rights, has no regard for the rights of women (1/2 the population), and which still allows for poverty of most of the population while having OBSCENE amounts of wealth for the princely elite (i'm looking at you Arab states). Or should we excuse them for that too?

Nickelodeon, were is the condemnation from the rest of Islam?
its "where", but here is a short answer:
http://www.muhajabah.com/otherscondemn.php
http://www.muhajabah.com/islamicblog/archives/veiled4allah/008824.php
http://www.americanmuslimwoman.com/id14.html
http://powerlineblog.com/archives/011182.php
http://groups.colgate.edu/aarislam/response.htm
www.samizdata.net/blog/archives/002240.html
http://www.unholywars.org/entry/muslims-condemn-terrorism/
http://www.cairchicago.org/inthenews.php?file=abc07142005
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/06/04/canada.terror/index.html
http://muslim-canada.org/news09112001.html
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=News&id=3251562
http://www.hindu.com/2005/03/12/stories/2005031203511400.htm
http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=AM0109-335
http://www.commongroundnews.org/article.php?sid=1&id=1308
http://counterterror.typepad.com/the_counterterrorism_blog/2005/07/the_american_is.html
http://emuslim.com/IslamAgainstVoilence.asp


if you want more, i can easily provide it.

This is your interpretation, not mine.

Interpretation? Try Fact.

Just because he is a Holy Man to billions of automatons on the planet, doesn't mean that he should dodge criticism or scrutiny.

Search for yourself as to the true nature of this man, and you will learn where most of the problems muslims have today stem from.

The Devil Inside, you get a cookie, were is the origin of these people, Anglo or Semitic?
of what people?
keep your cookie, im on a no sugar diet.

Interpretation? Try Fact.

Just because he is a Holy Man to billions of automatons on the planet, doesn't mean that he should dodge criticism or scrutiny.

Search for yourself as to the true nature of this man, and you will learn where most of the problems muslims have today stem from.
actually, the issue most muslims in the middle east have with the west and israel, is that they are sick of foreign powers medding in their domestic affairs.

fact.

So were are they in the evening news? were are they one the street?, were are they in the rest of the world?, yes if you look you find site but they always seem to stay in the back ground, and the fact is that in some ways I don't blame them, the terrorist will go after them just as fast for disagreeing with the Jihad as they will go after anyone else they deem unworthy.

Christians reformed their religion centuries ago. You don't see a world-wide aggression against non-christians anymore.



USA - the Christian guardians of the world:

USA (god bless america) attacking any nation that interfers with god's blessing of America.

And the calls for Jihad

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000023.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/001715.php
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week628/perspectives.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/iraq/saddam_4-1.html
http://www.captaincynic.com/thread/24884/arabs_call_for_jihadinside_great_br.htm
http://www.middle-east-online.com/English/?id=15652
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GE21Ak01.html

WorldNetDaily: Bogus 'rape' photos used in call for jihad
used in call for jihad Radical UK Muslim group supported beheading of Nick Berg ... atrocities undergirded a recent call to jihad by a London-based militant ...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38583

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/lr_2004may1.html
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0504/62.html
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/616
http://www.islamic-world.net/papers/jihad.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm
http://www.siteinstitute.org/bin/articles.cgi?ID=news41304&Category=news&Subcategory=0

BR, I believe you see the world in two colours, you don't seem capable of seeing shades of grey.

BR, I believe you see the world in two colurs, you don't seem capable of seeing shades of grey.

Yep.

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1113117#post1113117

those jews will destroy us you know

And the calls for Jihad

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000023.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/001715.php
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week628/perspectives.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/iraq/saddam_4-1.html
http://www.captaincynic.com/thread/24884/arabs_call_for_jihadinside_great_br.htm
http://www.middle-east-online.com/English/?id=15652
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GE21Ak01.html

WorldNetDaily: Bogus 'rape' photos used in call for jihad
used in call for jihad Radical UK Muslim group supported beheading of Nick Berg ... atrocities undergirded a recent call to jihad by a London-based militant ...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38583

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/lr_2004may1.html
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0504/62.html
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/616
http://www.islamic-world.net/papers/jihad.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm
http://www.siteinstitute.org/bin/articles.cgi?ID=news41304&Category=news&Subcategory=0

do you spend all day collecting links, or do you also spend time on net trying to look for porn

And the calls for Jihad

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/000023.php
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/001715.php
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week628/perspectives.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/extra/teachers/lessonplans/iraq/saddam_4-1.html
http://www.captaincynic.com/thread/24884/arabs_call_for_jihadinside_great_br.htm
http://www.middle-east-online.com/English/?id=15652
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/GE21Ak01.html

WorldNetDaily: Bogus 'rape' photos used in call for jihad
used in call for jihad Radical UK Muslim group supported beheading of Nick Berg ... atrocities undergirded a recent call to jihad by a London-based militant ...
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38583

http://www.prophetofdoom.net/lr_2004may1.html
http://www.hvk.org/articles/0504/62.html
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/id/616
http://www.islamic-world.net/papers/jihad.htm
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/docs/980223-fatwa.htm
http://www.siteinstitute.org/bin/articles.cgi?ID=news41304&Category=news&Subcategory=0



guy, you dont even know what a jihad is. to you, it means some guy with a turban and a scimitar running down a mountain to kill babies.

WorldNetDaily: Bogus 'rape' photos used in call for jihad

Hmm, reminds me of the time before the first Gulf War where there was no support for it, so George H.W. Bush had a 15 year old Kuwaitii girl testify before the House and tell a story about Iraqi soldiers invading Kuwait and having them slaughter babies in hospitals by taking them out of their incubators. Of course they said the girl's name couldn't be released due to fear of retribution. Well, it turns out it was all a lie. The girl who put on the brilliant display was the Kuwaitii ambassador's daughter who took acting lessons to do so. There were no incubator deaths. Not one in record in all of Kuwait that whole year. As you can probably assume, yes, support for the war in Iraq shot up ten fold and so it began.

Upset that the Muslims are fighting fire with fire?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1EDCqxVT7U

- N

And they voted his son in? UN-@-BELIEVABLE!