The Nazification of the Palestinian Arabs

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  1. biblthmp Registered Senior Member

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    The Nazification of the Palestinian Arabs
    Charles A. Morse
    Tuesday, Feb. 25, 2003
    The Nazification of the Palestinian Arabs didn’t begin with the most recent suicide-bombing pogrom against the Jews of Israel.

    The process began in 1921 when Herbert Samuels, the British Mandatory Governor of Palestine, appointed Amin al-Husseini as Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. The Mufti would proceed to introduce Hitler’s National Socialism into Palestine and much of the rest of the Arab world.

    Al-Husseini had previously been an Ottoman officer when, upon arriving in Palestine in 1920, he played a major role in organizing riots against Jews. Al-Husseini also launched an assassination campaign against Muslims who refused to submit to his control. At the time, local Muslim leadership viewed him as a thug.

    In 1921, for reasons that remain unclear, Herbert Samuels, the British governor of Palestine, himself Jewish, appointed al-Husseini as Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in spite of a local Muslim plebiscite in which al-Husseini came in a distant fourth.

    In 1929, the Mufti organized the annihilation of the ancient Jewish community of Hebron. The Mufti was a pan-Islamic believer in the unified Islamic motherland, or “Ummah,” which, according to traditional Islamic understanding, would be ruled by a Caliph and governed under Sharia, or Islamic law.

    In the Caliphate envisioned by al-Husseini, Jews and Christians would be allowed to live only if they submitted to dhimmi status. All others would be put to the sword.

    The Mufti, and many other Muslims who believed in the Dar al-Islam concept of a greater Islamic Empire, found resonance with Hitler’s unique brand of socialism, which emphasized a fatherland dominating Europe, a new social order and ethnic cleansing.

    Pro-Nazi political groups began to spring up in the 1930s, including Young Egypt, led by Abdul Gamal Nasser, with its slogan “One Folk, One Party, One Leader,” and the Social Nationalist Party of Syria, led by Anton Saada, known as the Syrian fuehrer, a precursor to the Baath socialist parties of Syria, Iraq and Libya.

    In 1936, Francois Genoud, later known as the Swiss banker of the Third Reich, traveled to Palestine, where he visited the Mufti. Genoud and the Mufti would continue the collaboration well into the 1960s.

    After the Mufti met the Nazi-Swiss banker, he launched the 1936-38 riots against both the Jews of Palestine and Palestinian Muslims who opposed his Nazi-inspired agenda.

    Palestinian Muslim and Christian leaders who were murdered for opposing the Mufti include Sheikh Daoud Ansari (Imam of Al Aqsa Mosque), Sheikh Ali Nur el Khattib (Al Aqsa Mosque), Sheikh Nusbi Abdal Rahim (Council of Muslim Religious Court), Sheikh Abdul el Badoui (Acre), Sheikh El Namouri (Hebron), Nasr El Din Nassr (Mayor of Hebron) and, between February1937 and November 1938, 11 Mukhtars (community leaders) and their entire families.

    In 1937, Nazi Hauptschanfuehrer Adolf Eichmann and SS Oberscherfuehrer H. Hagen visited the Mufti in Palestine to discuss "the Jewish question."

    Following this meeting, the Mufti received Nazi military and financial aid, would go on to inspire a Nazi coup in Iraq in 1940, would declare a fatwa against the British, and, after the collapse of the Iraqi coup, would flee to Berlin, where he spent the war years as head of a Nazi-Arab government in exile.

    Operating from Berlin, the Mufti would finance his anti-Jewish activities in the Arab world and the training of Muslim armies in Europe from the Sonderfund, which consisted of funds that had been confiscated from European Jews by the Nazis.

    Yasir Arafat, reportedly a nephew of the Mufti, would carry on the Mufti’s legacy in his goal of annihilating Israel.

    Saddam Hussein is also a protégé of the Mufti through his uncle and father-in-law Khairallah Tulfah, who, along with Gen. Rashid Ali and the so-called "golden square" cabal of pro-Nazi officers, participated in the Mufti-inspired failed coup against the pro-British government of Iraq in 1941. (See "The Nazi Background of Saddam Hussein.")

    Chuck Morse is a radio talk show host at WROL in Boston (http://www.chuckmorse.com). E-mail Chuck at chuckm@chuckmorse.com.
     
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  3. everneo Re-searcher Registered Senior Member

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    Interesting post. Nazism is the perfect refuge for rogues. But there were muslim leaders who opposed nazi influenced thugs and could not gain support for the obvious reason of weakening opposition to british rule. (what an irony). Nazi terror was completely unraveled only after the WWII. By the time it was too late...! Hell, how believers of Allah, the Almighty can align with inflated egoistic Nazism..! Oppurtunism of some thugs..! Muslims are yet to differentiate between Will of Allah and Devilish vested interests. i could never understand the muslim psyche.

    Reforms and liberty of thought and action without compromising faith is the need of hour for them.. for that matter, for all other religions too.
     
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  5. ConsequentAtheist Registered Senior Member

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    It's very old news presented by a talk show host and dumped in the wrong forum.
     
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  7. Its ironic that the Israelis have had to resort to nazi tactics & ideas of race superiority to keep the State of Israel Jewish

    Link:
    http://www.arabia.com/news/article/print/english/0,4973,30431,00.html
     
  8. biblthmp Registered Senior Member

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    Re: Re: The Nazification of the Palestinian Arabs

    Show me once, where the Israelis were the original atttackers, they have always been retributive attacks, and defensive attacks, to protect their own people. The Palestinians always start it, and then whine like babies to the media when they get stomped back.

    Tell me Randolpho, who targets the innocents with their homocide bombers, and who targets the guilty family of the homocide bombers?

    It is the duty of any country to defend its citizens, from those who seek to murder them.
     
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  9. Re: Re: Re: The Nazification of the Palestinian Arabs

    First of all, spell my name right! "Randolpho" is unpronounceable in Spanish, "ph" is an English combination, not Spanish.
    Secondly, no one has a right to take Palestinian land to make a homeland for a people that had been kicked out by the Romans over 1700 years prior from that very land. The minute Jews started taking the land, was the minute it all started. BTW, just saying "next year in Jerusalem" is not enough to keep that land, otherwise the Native Peoples can start now, to get their land back, & what is supposed to happen to all these Americans, etc?
     
  10. biblthmp Registered Senior Member

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    Randolfo

    If you knew your history, you would know that Palestine, pre-world war 1 was a swamp land, until the Jews moved back, and revitalized it. The Palestinians at the time were a nomadic people. There was never a country by the name of Palestine, it was part of Egypt and Jordan, and they don't want the land back. They have fought many times, and have lost every time, even with vastly superior armies.



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    The protector of Israel neither sleeps, nor does he slumber.
     
  11. Re: Randolfo

    That's the problem, I do know & read about history, my favorites are: Mesoamerican, pharaonic Egypt, T'ang China, several periods of the Islamic world (art & calligraphy), Greco-Roman period, Biblical area, Medieval to renaissance Europe & modern world history (1900’s to now)

    Shucks, using that logic, I guess Mexicans can start doing the same in the Southwest & California & reclaim our old homeland “Aztlan”.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/flash/0,5860,720353,00.html
    http://www.parcenter.org/resources/palestinian_studies_today/studies_papers/sufian.html#_edn13
    http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Right-Of-Return/Story440.html


    So, nomads have no rights? Palestine & Israel earlier have always been at the crossroads of empires. Your point is? (that since local arabs couldn’t win independence, then they don’t deserve a homeland? Poor Kurds under that scenario)
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/in_depth/middle_east/2001/israel_and_the_palestinians/issues/1763445.stm

    Name sources? You mean because it’s already considered the Palestinian homeland?

    If they don’t want the land, why did they fight then?


    I prefer to list Book, chapter & verse when quoting Scripture. The problem for me as a Christian is that I am not convinced that this manifestation of Israel is God-made, it has all the trappings of a manmade country, not following God’s commands for strangers: Exodus 22:21”Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.” or Leviticus 24:22 “You are to have the same law for the alien and the native-born. I am the Lord your God.”
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,903627,00.html
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,901160,00.html
     
  12. biblthmp Registered Senior Member

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    If they don’t want the land, why did they fight then?


    I prefer to list Book, chapter & verse when quoting Scripture. The problem for me as a Christian is that I am not convinced that this manifestation of Israel is God-made, it has all the trappings of a manmade country, not following God’s commands for strangers: Exodus 22:21”Do not mistreat an alien or oppress him, for you were aliens in Egypt.” or Leviticus 24:22 “You are to have the same law for the alien and the native-born. I am the Lord your God.”
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,903627,00.html
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,901160,00.html [/B][/QUOTE]


    It was not the Palestinians that were fighting for it alone, it was the the Whole Arab world fighting for it, motivated by their hatred of the Jews, not for the Land. The whole Arab/Muslim world has 13.5 million KM^2 of land, compared to the Jews who have 20.7 thousand km^2 of land. That is 650 times as much. The population density of Arab lands is 1/12 of what Israel's.

    Israel made the swampland and desert to bloom.

    It is the Palestians that are mistreating the Israelis. The Israelis only retaliate for the Palestians first actions. Israel would live in peace, if that possibility existed, it is just that they are surrounded by their mortal enemies, and are forced to defend themselves from their own slaughter.
     
  13. Re: Re: Re: Randolfo

    Actually, its their hatred of invaders & their chance for pan-Arab nationalism to fight the infidel, we will probably see more of that in Iraq now too. Obviously, you do not understand arabs, as wanting the same things for themselves as others have; like freedom, their own countries, etc.


    Under that scenario, then I want 95% of Canada back for the Native Canadians & 75% of the US back for the Native Americans, shucks there's no one living on it anyways, who cares if it has farms, ranges, national forests & parks, desert, it's all empty land.


    You said that already, so if I make a plot of desert bloom in the Southwest, it's mine?

    You are blind, they are just trying to liberate Palestine, just as they should, just as any other people would


    Right, & you must be paid by the Israeli Minister of Propaganda & NewSpeak


    As trespassers, they deserve that & more, what do you expect? For them to lie down & play dead?
     
  14. TheVisitor The Journey is the Reward Registered Senior Member

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    The problem for me as a Christian is that I am not convinced that this manifestation of Israel is God-made, it has all the trappings of a manmade country, not following God’s commands for strangers..............................Actually, its their hatred of invaders & their chance for pan-Arab nationalism to fight the infidel, we will probably see more of that in Iraq now too. Obviously, you do not understand arabs,

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    Although this person on closer examination of His post, sounds more like a secret muslim than a christian, the end result is about the same....so I will comment....

    Are you ever in for a rude awakening...
    The dispensation of the gentiles is over.
    God is blinding the "so-called" christians with the same blindness He once gave to Israel..( it comes from rejecting God when He visits...)
    What......? You didn't know the Son of Man comes as a thief in the night, and the church is so busy with their own creeds and false doctrines that they miss it.
    Read the scriptures. Rev. 18:1-4 Luke 17:30 Mal 4:5-6 Rev 10:1-7
    This is now the dispensation of the fullness of times..(run a search, if you don't know what that means)
    He's already been here and you knew Him not....Sound familiar

    Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today and forever.

    Yeah, "christians" today just aren't sure of a lot of things.....
    To much world and not enough God.
    He's turning back to the Jews, any day
    There's just one thing holding that off. (And i ain't telling)
    Nominal Christians are today the blindest of any of the world's religions......Because it's the God of their own bible doing it.
    Let's see,...How did he descibe the church in Rev. 3 when He comes...? Miserable, poor, blind, naked and KNOWETH IT NOT.

    "It is better for a nation (or denomination) to have never known God, than to know Him and turn way.."
    "A nation (or denomination) that forgets God, that nation shall God destroy."

    Just when do you believe all these prophecies of Israel are going to take place....In the "next life" maybe

    It's later than you think.
     
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  15. TheVisitor The Journey is the Reward Registered Senior Member

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    The Nazification of the Palestinian Arabs

    Good Post...! I enjoyed it.

    Thanks for the info....

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  16. Vortexx Skull & Bones Spokesman Registered Senior Member

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    Did you know that it was Saddam Hussain who nationalized the iraqi oil wells in the 60/70 so that a lot more profit was available to the iraqis themselves instead of the foreign multinationals??

    In fact iraq was one of the most modern and prosperous countries in the middle east during the 70's, where people enjoyed higher education and quality healthcare etc.

    (if Saddam could have stopped and "let it be" at this point, iraq would still be a wealthy country, but no, saddams cruelty and megalomanic ambitions got the best of him).

    Anyway My point is:

    Saddam DID bring the iraqi dessert to bloom, NOW did he suddenly deserved the right to occupy and repress the Kurds for this glorious deed?

    Biblethmp , your views strike me as somewhat dogmatic, i get the impression that you prefer to think of arab palestinians as:
    - stupid peasants ( untermenschen??? )
    - jealous criminals (jealous at the grand "accomplishments" of the jewish state)

    demonizing them as such it looks as if you try to free your yourself from your conscious and do not have to ask yourself uneasy questions about the legitimicy of the Israely state or at least the basic rights of the palestinians?

    Now about the Nazi word, I can imagine (given the WW2) that for many jews it really annoys/hurts and feels unjust if they as a whole group are compared to NAZI/ZIONAZI. The sad truth is that on both sides you will find a view people that indeed have Nazi like tendencies and believe in denying others a decent peacefull place to live (lebensraum?)

    And you my friend, demonstrate yourself to be a lot closer to these views than a whole population you accuse of being nazi-like. It's a view put forward with the bible/thorah/q'uran in the left hand and the sword in the other hand.

    I surely hope that sharon and arafat die soon from being old , so that maybe, just maybe new leaders with a less burdened bloody past can take over and end this madness...
     
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  17. You Killed Jesus 14/88 Registered Senior Member

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    Re: Randolfo

    Less than 1% of Jews are actually descended from the biblical Israelites. The overwhelming majority of them are descended from a people called the Khazars, which are TURKS.
     

  18. Hey TheVisitor, "Are you ever in for a rude awakening..."!,

    just from the evidence, I would say that this Israel is just a Western occupying colonial force, & before you use Biblical quotes & pseudo- aphacryptia (sorry about the spelling), remember that no one knows the time or the hour, & if He was here already, everyone would know.

    The evidence proves that you may belong to a cult, JW’s or LDS would be my guess, “Fullness of time”?

    As for being a secret muslim, do a search on my posts in Sciforums, if you know how to do them? And find out for yourself.
     
  19. Re: Re: Randolfo

    If you read more you will see that is not true, here are a few journals & sites for anyone interested:

    Am J Phys Anthropol 1978 Nov;49(4):457-464

    Ethnic communities in Israel: the genetic blood markers of the Babylonian Jews.

    Bonne-Tamir B, Ashbel S, Bar-Shani S.

    One hundred eighty-eight Jewish individuals who either they or whose both parents were born in Iraq were typed for 7 blood groups (ABO, MNS, Rh, Kell, Duffy, P and Kidd), 12 red cell enzyme systems and 2 serum proteins. Iraqi Jews are characterized by a high frequency of A (in ABO), N (in MNS), low cde (Rh) and low Hp-1. Several rare electrophoretic variants were encountered: PGM1 6-1, PHI 3-1 and PHI 2-1, and an unidentified AK phenotype. No evidence of Negroid admixture was found in their gene pool. Comparisons with results previously obtained in Iraqi Jews show general similarities in frequencies while comparisons with neighboring non-Jewish populations suggest divergence in most systems investigated. The difficulties of assessing relationships on the basis of a few selected differences and the need for careful interpretations of similarities are emphasized.

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    Am J Phys Anthropol 1977 Jul;47(1):89-91

    ABO-typing of ancient skeletons from Israel.

    Micle S, Kobilyansky E, Nathan M, Arensburg B, Nathan H.

    Sixty-eight ancient skeletons, unearthed at Jerusalem and En Gedi and, according to the archeological data belonging to Jewish residents of these places from about 1,600 to 2,000 years ago, were ABO-typed by means of the hemagglutination-inhibition test. The blood groups of 13 skeletons were undiagnosable and the remaining 55 showed the following distribution: 30.91% A-group, 14.54% B-group, 50.91% AB-group and 3.64% O-group. According to these findings, the population to which these skeletons belonged must have had a high frequency of genes IA and IB, and a low occurrence of O blood group and its related IO gene.

    http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html
    http://archive.nandotimes.com/noframes/story/0,2107,500202176-500279666-501490990-0,00.html
    http://www.ubalt.edu/kulanu/jewishdna.html
    http://tarkus.pha.jhu.edu/~ethan/jFAQ.html
    http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/jews.html#whatab
    http://www.cohen-levi.org/the_tribe/tribes_of_israel.htm#03
     
  20. Allahs_Mathematics Mar'Ifah Ahl As-Suffah Registered Senior Member

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    OH PLEASE MISTER

    all this socalled "evidence" is biased , and all is under Jewish-Israeli controll .

    Khazaria.com......LMAO
     
  21. Clockwood You Forgot Poland Registered Senior Member

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    i wish i never have to hear the word "infidel" again. It is basically used to say the group you consider an enemy are less than human and thus your duty to kill to the last child.

    Lets say you are a sunni muslim and you want to kill a shii. Normally you cant due to aspecific ban in the koran against killing muslims but just call the other guys "infidels" and suddenly its allright. Hate jews and want to kill them? Just call them infidels and somehow its ok even though it is banned in the ten commandments not to mention numerous civil laws.

    And yet the arab world has taken the stance: "It is allright to slaughter everyone and their mother but only if your arab" The rest of the world has taken the stance " your allowed to be shed blood now and then as long as your not an american or israeli"
     
  22. Helen Registered Senior Member

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    How absurd to see some NAZI jewish zionist talking about themselves as the victims.

    You are the ones who ILLEGALY OCCUPY our land not the other way around, you are the ones who VIOLATED more than 71 UN RESOLUTIONS regarding the occupied arab land.

    You are the CRIMINALS who send ' American ' F16s to bomb the palestineans inside their homes( which is more disgusting than the suicide bombings). you are the THEIVES who stole the land from the arabs.

    Human Rights Watch report
    Israeli War Crimes in Jenin :

    VI. CIVILIAN CASUALTIES AND UNLAWFUL KILLINGS IN JENIN

    http://hrw.org/reports/2002/israel3/israel0502-05.htm#P234_38516

    HERE YOU HAVE SOME HORRIBLE pictures of dead INNOCENT Palestineans killed by the Israeli NAZI TERRORIST ARMY( The pictures in the link are so graphic, they are not suitable for childern):

    http://no-war.jp:8080/ftp/mirror/www.ummah.com/inewsletter/massacres/palestine/jenin.htm
     
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