Anyone have any information about the upcoming sequel to the matrix? Odds are it won't be anywhere near the calibur of the first...hard to top something that great.

the preview looks wicked tho'... can't wait.. :D

i was lissioning to the producer or director on the radio a while ago and he said "think a car chase in the matrix"

reformedtopunk,

Theres a thread in the scifi section all about this.:D

/CounslerCoffee

*EDIT*

"think a car chase in the matrix"

Yep.

dumb question...

whats *EDIT*?:confused:

*shows his newbiehood still*

Oh. That. I edited my post to show that I made a change to it. You dont have to do that, but I prefur to.

I've heard that those who have previewed the car chase seen say that it is the best chase ever...

My freind also told me that they are releasing Matrix 2 in August and Matrix 3 in September/November...verify?

that seems strange but they r both made

Yes. Asguard you are correct. They are both already shot and made, they are currently in post production.

My freind also told me that they are releasing Matrix 2 in August and Matrix 3 in September/November...verify?

Actually its more like June and the other is released in September. Why couldn't they do that with LOTR!?

Im guessing the sequels will be lacking in depth to the story line as many sequels do. Or will this be an exception? we will just have to wait and see. ;)

From what Ive heard Captain, no. The story will not be affected.

Matrix 2 comes out in early May 2003, there is the ultimate car chase sequence that lasts some astronomical amount of time, like 45 minutes. Knowing the first movie it will be amazing.

Matrix 3 comes out this November.

I'll be waiting for both. Greatest action movies ever!!!

a 45 minute car chase scene? wow....hope it can keep my attention that long....it would suck to fall asleep for the rest of the movie because the car chase is so long...

I personally can't fathom how they will make 2 sequels as interesting as the first, concidering the first was how Neo becomes enlightened, the other 2 will just be what he does with it... But perhaps I should have a little faith in the Watchowski (?) bros, they did an excellent job on the first one!

The tag line, I hear, will be:

The Matrix 2: Because we didn't destroy enough of the cinematic arts the first time.

What is the subtitle to that film, anyway?

I keep waiting for the movie version of "Unreal Tournament". Hell, Baen published a few "Doom" novels a few years back--at least comic books have pictures. I don't know what their excuse for those was.

Of course, we're also getting sequels to "Fast and the Furious" and "Pitch Black". Or did we?

Its sad. "Bowling for Columbine" is doing better in Canada than it is down here. And the thing is that it's all about violence, so I don't see why Americans aren't buying more tickets. Of course, it hit me that nobody spent a hundred million dollars to make something that shouldn't even have gotten B-class respect and there was no advance release on a single to tell us it's from the "hit movie" so we would want to go see it because it's hip.

But it doesn't have to be "Bowling for Columbine".

For the love of Nebuchadnezzar, though, what is it with Keeanu Reeves? (A) The guy can't act--he's never been able to act; (B) his triumph is the ultimate testament to the American culture--people prefer affirmations of their own craven emptiness than real art.

Why would anybody pay eight bucks to watch Keeanu Reeves do what they can do at home on their computer?

Seriously--if Americans didn't have to be told which films were good and which films they couldn't live without seeing, I wouldn't care about a film like Matrix. But it's just one more example of Americans being perfectly predictable.

What actually has me pissed off about Matrix films is how everyone who tells me the films are good generally tells me about the wonderful "philosophy" in the film. However, nobody has ever told me coherently what it is. I remember liking films like that, but I was 8 and it was MegaForce, one of the worst films ever made.

That's the point. I liked MegaForce for the flying motorcycles and the silly slogan that I can't remember. Hey ... I was eight. What the hell is anyone's excuse these days?

Really, it's just that for all the hype I've heard about the Matrix films, nobody can tell me why. Eye candy? Sure, who cares. Oooh, but it's well-written? How so? I'm waiting. And now they're around to a sequel, and I've heard a thousand different times how profound Keeanu Reeves is but nobody can tell me word one what the hell they're talking about.

I mean, I knew people who thought Point Break was the best film ever. And Speed, as well. What the freaking hell is it about Keeanu Reeves? You can't tell me the guy can act. Johnny Mnemonic? That was a waste of human labor.

I would just hope that someday people would get offended at the company executives who presume so little of you all as to continue feeding you this crap.

I still haven't completely forgiven the poor bastard that tried to get me to sit through the Matrix.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

yah i saw a small preview on the making of matrix 2 for the car chase sense it looks intense!!!!!!! they filmed like 4 or 5 differnt things sequences AT ONCE to get the effect! they used a unused highway to flim it all theres a bike chase, car chase and a jack-knifing semi truck and MORE, and it all happend at once while they flimed it


I CANT WAIT! im surpized that they didnt use the "bullet time" effects for the Spider Man movie.....

i think the reason there comming out so close together is that their going be like hour in a half shows or such....

TUNE IN NEXT WEEK or this case TUNE IN NEXT MONTH!

Tiassa,
you must see the philosophy in The Matrix. Granted it's very entry-level and pop-culture, but cool none-the-less. The whole movie was a retelling of Plato's Cave, first of all. And it touches on epistemology, AI, the "ghost in the machine", metaphysics, dualism, etc... It's all in there, at it's early stages. I don't see what's so wrong with enjoying a movie with those philosophical elements and cool special effects. Not every movie has to be art, some can be just fun to watch.

It's an interesting nexus of factors. As this random web page (http://www.geocities.com/freeyourbrain/cave.htm) asserts, "The Cave" is a recurring theme in cinema these days. Well, seemingly important.

The thing is that "The Cave" is very basic, kind of the philosophic equivalent of a movie that teaches adults how to say their ABC's.

I suppose I should be happy that people are thinking along these lines at all these days, but perhaps my disgust with The Matrix comes from the recurring disappointment experienced by operating under the presumption of the best in people, including intelligence.

One might as well be telling Bible stories. The above-mentioned web page seems to be attempting the wonderful pseudo-psience of semiotics, albeit roughly.

But in the stylistics of The Matrix comes an important element, and here I digress for a moment:

- One of my favorite ironies of late is the Saudi Arabian embassy's television commercial about Saudi-US partnership in the war against terror. It's just loaded with irony, including the fact that Clinton is the only president in the chain missing from the advert. But it seemed a little bit pandering the first time I saw it, especially with charges of Saudi support for terrorists getting airplay from O'Reilly and others. But then it hit me that I should admire this silly TV spot. The Saudis know what Americans don't realize: if you want to communicate with Americans, don't talk to them. Don't write to them. Don't appeal to them. Sell to them. Get up and hustle. Advertise, compress, bite. It was a beautiful moment of communion, I decided, between the Saudis and the Americans.

And that's kind of what The Matrix seems like to me. On the one hand is the number of people profoundly affected by the film who, unlike you, cannot tell me that the "profound philosophy" is anything in particular. Most people can't describe it. They generally sound like the ravings of a sixty year-old speed buccanneer from the American western farm country.

And I wasn't particularly impressed with its appearance. The effects weren't particularly aesthetic. In fact, it looked to me like someone just took a new f/x system out of the box and used the demo effects for the final cut of the film.

In the end it seems to be pabulum. It seems like the Saudi advert in the sense that it's designed to please and cajole, while the substance is an accident of necessary circumstance. The Matrix was one ugly film to watch. Certain of the minimalist elements should have worked--I'm thinking of the helicopter crashing into the building--but somehow they picked the exact components that just exactly failed to please the eye. When I think of bad films that still managed to pull it off, I think of Legend (which required Ridley Scott in order to have what quality it did, and Tim Curry and Mia Sara did okay, but the film had texture to redeem a bad script and crummy final cut. When I think of bad films that managed to pull it off, I think of X-Files: Fight the Future, which was only saved by aesthetic depth.

Take Johnny Mnemonic, for instance. It was a reasonable story with a reputable name behind it. Keeanu Reeves was so bad that I actually stopped watching the film itself and just started enjoying the visual textures. Saved by aesthetics. Me, that is. I wouldn't dare watch that damn film again.

There are, obviously, other ways to present "The Cave". When you have to resort to Keeanu Reeves, crappy f/x, and an action film to present it, you're merely advertising for dollars.

However, for one who has the philosophic appreciation, I recommend the highly-stylized Closet Land, if you can find it. You'll see excellent dramatic exploitation of Cave themes throughout, but those themes are mere components of a film, and not the film itself.

Alphabet soup ...

Maybe it's Keeanu Reeves. I'd rather sit through a Corey Haim marathon than a single Keeanu Reeves film after Fast Times.

Or so says I.

I'd still hope for massive sedation, though.

:m:,
Tiassa :cool:

Keanu Reeves does suck. Every actor in that movie sucked. Amazingly. Their lines were poor, characters were shallow, the philosophy was, as notme said, entry level. But I enjoyed The Matrix because of its look, its cinematography, and its action. There were a lot of cool shots in that film (and I am not at all referring to the bullet time stuff), the lighting and the atmosphere seemed very powerful, very sodden and low. The music also worked perfectly. I think that The Matrix could have been a near-perfect movie if they had made the characters more tangible, had made their "inner conflicts" more visible (if at all) and had added a better sense of need to the whole thing. Although he was good in...christ, can't remember the name of the movie, it had Guy Pierce and was backwards, very, very well done...anyway, he was the guy in Morpheus' little crew that betrays them all. He was the worst actor of them all, his lines just made me cringe.

I suppose I should be happy that people are thinking along these lines at all these days, but perhaps my disgust with The Matrix comes from the recurring disappointment experienced by operating under the presumption of the best in people, including intelligence.
You'd think by now you'd realize this will almost always leave you dissapointed. I walked in to the theater expecting a little shooting and some pop-corn, so I walked out happy. I dunno, expectations always ruin the final product. I understand your dilema with this movie, but few movies will live up to your high standards, and in my opinion, that means you're missing out. (Have you ever seen Waking Life?)

Even if the rest of the movie sucks ass, I still want to see the part where Neo fights 100 Agent Smiths!!

Whaaaaaaat!? Does that really happen?

no wayyyyyyyyy... ur bluffinnnn... :eek: :p :D :m:

i have been on the website and it is true that agent smith now has the power to duplicate himself like a virus! there are also the twins, who have the ability to vanish and reappear at will! the climax of the movie takes place on the freeway, with a spectacular fight in the back of a speeding car and then on top of a tanker! the third installment, revolutions, concentrates more on the last city on earth, Zion, the machines have discovered its location and dispatch sentinels to destroy it, so much of the action takes place there, opossed to in the actual matrix! as for not having the same impact or depth as the first matrix, watch it first then comment, as it looks absolutely brilliant!!

The Oracle isnt with us anymore...She had a big role in Matrix-II...wonder what they"ll do with Ma-Revolutions...



bye!

Entertainment Tonight, er tonight, said that there would be a major preview for The Matrix Reloaded during a commercial break in the SuperBowl, ...damn now I gotta watch the Superbowl *sigh*

Way ahead of you buddy, there will no doubt be copies to dload on Kazaa and such by the day after!

The matrix: reloaded (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808405087)

The Matrix: Revolutions (http://movies.yahoo.com/shop?d=hp&cf=prev&id=1808405088)

It’s sad. "Bowling for Columbine" is doing better in Canada than it is down here.

I had to go all the way into the city to see that! It took me 30 minutes!

The Matrix sequels will be sci-fi, that’s why I like them. Oh and awesome special effects. Sure the philosophy is introductory, but I’m not a big phil person, I’m not! But if it got me interested in say reading some about The Marquis, or even just knowing who he is, then that would make our young people smarter, more interested in learning, or becoming enlightened... It's a big hope, which I know is wrong. But can't ya just have hope?

Aww come on Counsellor,

Philosophy of matrix isnt so Introductory...isnt it?


bye!

problem with the matrix is its philosophy is hidden, one can write their graduate thesis on the matrix yet a normal movie critic whos already seen 3 movies that day totally misses the underpinings of the movie. BTW, keanu just acts minimally and is supposed to be rather disoriented throughout the movie.

since when did movies ever have to be philosphical?
they have a sole purpose, to entertain. You give me some money and i'll put on a show for. Movies are a development from theatre. If you like action movies then i think the matrix was up there with the best of them, action movies are meant to be primarily about the special effects.

As for Matrix 2 i've seen the trailer it looks pretty good. I hope it is better than the first one, but i doubt it.

Is anybody looking forward to Star Wars III ?

since when did movies ever have to be philosphical?
They don't have to be, but it sure helps ;)