if compulsion necessitates a bashing, do so
then an analysis please

am i insane?
how did this shit evolve?
spookz did not employ this mode of communication

folks here bandy the term haiku
define please

to me it is very efficient
point form
phrases rather than sentences
redundancies removed
whatnot

i post here cos of flak and a smattering of approval

example

anglo american/continental/arabic philosophies

you lump under western wisdom
that will be your undoing
gird yourself. it will be bloody
i promise

/embarrassed

To be honest it is kind of cool, but it can also be difficult to read.

ok....an analysis please
who's the chick in avatar?

can age be discerned by usage of ...chick?

Megan Fox.

I don't know if you can guess my age by a chick.. take your best shot :p

I don't know how this has all of a sudden become an issue though... :shrug:
Do you only want answers that please you ?

can age be discerned by usage of ...chick?

/eek

not hippie
1920's african american slang!
jazz shit

folks here bandy the term haiku
define please


Since it was I who first applied the term haiku-like to your posting style, here are a few examnples of haiku:



The red blossom bends
and drips its dew to the ground.

Like a tear it falls

and:


Curving up, then down.
Meeting blue sky and green earth

Melding sun and rain.

Your style is very similar in structure and "feel" to haiku. But you keep blowing the syllable count... Get it right dammit!

syllable count?
elaborate on the mechanics, history and purpose

am i insane?
Deliberately so.

spookz did not employ this mode of communication
The frequent use of 'ja'...lack of capitalization...and clipped sentences give him away.

Gustav is spookz.

/bemused

am i supposed to know you, little man?
why do you obsess in such a needy manner?

syllable count?
elaborate on the mechanics, history and purpose

for your enjoyment
sets of haiku examples

that may bemuse you

http://volweb.utk.edu/school/bedford/harrisms/haiku.htm

/eek

thanks
i wonder if i can pick up japanese chicks with this shit

/eek

thanks
i wonder if i can pick up japanese chicks with this shit
Yes you can. It's a aphrodisiac for them.

(I wish...)

pardon
the example was redundant as intro was already haikued

/helpless

perhaps demonic possession? japanese demons?

http://www.otsue.jp/images/gallery/shamisen.jpg

if compulsion necessitates a bashing, do so
then an analysis please

am i insane?
how did this shit evolve?
spookz did not employ this mode of communication

folks here bandy the term haiku
define please

to me it is very efficient
point form
phrases rather than sentences
redundancies removed
whatnot

i post here cos of flak and a smattering of approval

example

anglo american/continental/arabic philosophies

you lump under western wisdom
that will be your undoing
gird yourself. it will be bloody
i promise

/embarrassed

Strengths:
unique
the reader must work
polysemic

Weaknesses:
the reader must work
polysemic

Neutral:
parallel construction - rather than clause, logic dictated (hence haiku relation, since prioritization is reduced. Would say it is more like Pound's Cantos, though he was influenced by Eastern forms of poetry)


In the above quote: we can wonder (project, create, assume, be confused by) what the relationship between 'our' error(s) in creating the set of 'western wisdom' has to do with the linguistics of Gustav.

These are simply juxtaposed.

Metaphors often have the verb 'to be'. Pound wanted to get around grammatical 'logic' in using metaphors, symbols and images. So he juxtaposed. He made no claims to which ideas were being modified. How we were to interpret one in relation to the other. Which was more important.

Gustav intermixes expressive outbursts
self-reflexive comments
highly abstract phrases
flirtation - rather often
and theory.

They are made equivalent by the form.
We can not separate out with confidence the argument seemingly at hand and the interpersonal (intrapsychic?) expression of an individual.

A good interpretation of Gustav would have to relate the personal to the context - the argument. It is implicit that these are not separate in the form.

Notice to the extra reactions: two posts in a row. Not edited. As if a new moment brought out a whole new reaction.

This is gestural philosophy, not system building.

There may be a hidden system but we'd have to build it (again?) ourselves from the gestures.

Gestural - again haiku. The sense of pointing beyond the two juxtaposed images of a haiku
to..........?

The hanging potential of the two images and how they can be interrelated.

Another negative and positive:
because Gustav does not present a series of assertions with clear connections between them (subordinate conjunctions, for example) he is safe from having a system to throw our own images and reactions at. he can stay within the outraged curmudgeon role (who occasionally gives out fascinating links) (who occasionally writes like everyone else briefly, but as exception, before receding back into the undifferentiated Tao).

If the goal is selfhood and individuality it is both very definitely achieved in uniqueness and very definitely avoided by being gestural rather than fully present.

I would guess there is a latent extreme urge towards unreachable intimacy. Perhaps even a sense of 'this is the only way to present a self, why are the rest of you presenting this illusory solidity?

How appropriate that we are asked to study him here, to be a mirror, to finally do the work requested - because now it does seem like a request from someone with desire.

I have learned to speak Gustav rather well.
He had me intrigued and baffled from the start.
I find the point form and use of metaphors, word pictures, subtle subversiveness, blatant bluntness and tongue in cheek childishness irresistable.

He is by far my favourite poster (at least while monkey's on a holiday)
I love that he reaches only a few and feels frustrated by that because in his head it is all so fucking obvious.
Sure, I'm missing plenty too but when he resonates it's gold.

Gustav gnaws at heal
by far his favourite meal

sucks marrow from bone

Folks here bandy the term "haiku." Define pleaseHaiku (both singular and plural in Japanese as well as English) is a kind of Japanese poetry, given this name in the late 17th century. The etymology is a combination of the names of two older forms of poetry, haikai and hokku.

It consists of three phrases, containing five, seven and five on (phonetic units), which correspond to syllables although not precisely. (Based on what I know of the kana writing system, I assume this means that a long vowel or doubled consonant is two syllables and final N is one syllable.) In Japanese a haiku is written as a single line: Furu ike ya kawazu tobikomu mizu no oto. There is a natural grammatical break at the end of the first or second phrase but the other two run together, and don't ask me where it is in this example because I don't know Japanese grammar.

A relatively new artform by Japanese standards, haiku often incorporates humor or wordplay. Some artists write haiku and add them in calligraphy to their paintings. Zenlike sophomoric ambiguity is sometimes used to exaggerate this, for example in this classic which I don't know in Japanese and therefore violates the form:The master and pupil walked through the woods.
One kicked the other
And they parted forever.In English haiku, the three phrases have five, seven and five syllables, and are written as separate lines, usually with two natural grammatical breaks and sometimes a comma or other punctuation mark. In America the aspect of humor and wordplay is emphasized, particularly in a faux-Zenlike manner.

We use words loosely in America so the term haiku is sometimes applied to compositions that don't follow the form, and the Japanese surely regard this as proof of our barbarian nature. The Washington Post runs a weekly column titled "Life as Haiku," which is simply a sweet or bittersweet anecdote from a reader's life, in plain prose.

Examples of "computer haiku" currently making the rounds:Yesterday it worked.
Today it is not working.
Windows is like that.

First snow, then silence.
This thousand-dollar screen dies
So beautifully.

With searching comes loss
And the presence of absence:
"MY_NOVEL" NOT FOUND.

The Dao that is seen
Is not the true Dao until
You bring fresh toner.

Stay the patient course.
Of little worth is your ire.
The network is down.When I sent those to a friend, I received the following reply with a YouTube clip:I have no haiku
That I can send in response.
This will have to do.

am i insane?
how did this shit evolve?
spookz did not employ this mode of communication

We all are sometimes amiss.
When constipation tightens its grip.
For others can talk but we sometimes fail.

Rocked by fraggling words
puntuation is a curse

mindless banter irks

i would like to point out that most alleged cryptic statements have a temporal and physical reference in sci.
to prior statements
mine or another's.
it is not simply pulled out of one's ass.

it then fits

the dynamics are related to the thread. the structure of the forum. breaking thread into logical branches would make for an easier interpretation

witness kuro5hin and the the presidents penis (http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2007/12/11/11039/340). what is the methodology? does it have a name?

it is not simply pulled out of one's ass.

it then fits



Not quite Haiku, but farking poetic!!

Gustav
You're not cryptic, you're practically transparent.
Bloody jellyfish.
* Shit Me*

why
your stream of consciousness
writing is like
a redundant speedbump

.........- because now it does seem like a request from someone with desire.


is that a good thing?

i have many more questions
perhaps arguments

words at this point fail me

/extreme gratitude :)

I like Gustav's posts.

A usual forum post with proper spelling etc. gives me a similar feel in my mind as such images:

http://kitchendanceparty.com/d/871-3/fuzzy+flower.JPG

or

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Youri_Messen-Jaschin_Pop_red.jpg/300px-Youri_Messen-Jaschin_Pop_red.jpg

IOW, on first reading, much gets past me because it is so seemingly clear. It captures my attention poorly. So on first reading, I have an unclear image in my mind.


Gustav's posts, on the other hand ...

is that a good thing?

For me, yes. For you, I don't know.

I pick up mixed feelings about being known, which could have hardened into an implicit philosophy of communication that really does after all fit
or only offers a frustrating/entertaining/unstable intermim plan.

i have many more questions
perhaps arguments

words at this point fail me

/extreme gratitude :)

let them fly
was good for me to contemplate
maybe now I will get you better

you gave the lazy man a way out via a direct question
how ironic

... on first reading, render a similar feel in my mind as these images:

http://www.layersmagazine.com/images/tutorials/design/indesign/12/step13.jpg

http://home.online.no/~kr-lund/mandelbrot.png

http://nadav.harel.org.il/Bridget_Riley/rileykis.jpg


I have to work at reading anyone's posts, but Gustav's posts invite a different kind of work than the usual posts.
Gustav's posts are a welcome refreshment.

fuck off

my bad, i was paying homage to you. i meant you could really excel at it eventually.

I would guess there is a latent extreme urge towards unreachable intimacy. Perhaps even a sense of 'this is the only way to present a self, why are the rest of you presenting this illusory solidity?


I posted the images above intuitively, I didn't give their choice much conscious thought.

The part of yours I am quoting here: Fractals, Mandelbrot sets: As if there would be a clear boundary - yet the closer you look - it just isn't there. Unreachable intimacy. Where is the solidity.

Fuck!
hate myself for saying it.
will repent with slanderous crap later
Gustav is de man for being brutally honest
will pile shit on crap like making compost
but spreads the praise like mayonnasie

[The slang term "chick']: not hippie, 1920's african american slang! jazz shit"CHICK" is an Americanization of the Spanish word chica, the feminine form of the adjective chico, "tiny," but generally carrying an affectionate or humorous connotation like our slang word "teeny." All Spanish adjectives can stand alone as nouns, so una chica is "a little girl," but it has been generalized to any "girl," in the expanded sense of a teenage girl or a woman who looks, acts, or is regarded as young--specifically: available and desirable. Spanish culture sometimes surprises us and there is no sexism in this term: the word chico is just as commonly used for a teenage boy or a man, with similar meaning. E.g. the pop tune by Selena, El Chico en Apartamento 512.

In the 1940s and 50s, Latin American musicians were a prominent force in the jazz scene in New York City (e.g. Tito Puente, or Desi Arnaz of "I Love Lucy"), popularizing the mambo and other Latin sounds and the dances that came with them. As a result, bits of Spanish slang from outside Mexico began entering the American language from the east, in contrast to the heavy infusion of Mexican words like rodeo and mangled Mexican words like "vamoose" (vamos), "lariat" (la riata) and "buckaroo" (vaquero) in the West. Another well-established word from the Latin jazz scene is "bebop," a catchy modification of "rebop," from Spanish arriba, "up or upward," an exhortation shouted by bandleaders to keep the mood and tempo of the music brisk.

New York could justifiably be called the music capital of Latin America because "salsa," which to much of the world defines Latin music, was invented there. It is not the music of any one Latin American country, unless you count the United States. The musicians who participated cooperatively and harmoniously in its founding were from many countries, including Cuba, El Salvador and the Dominican Republic, and it spread back southward from Nueva York.

thank you, fraggle

your well meaning effort is misplaced
this is my thread
i am satisfied with it

revert the topic post and title back to the original please
you distort the historical record
and that is a no no

[QUOTE=greenberg;1692527]


http://kitchendanceparty.com/d/871-3/fuzzy+flower.JPG

Is it an out of focus dandelion
or an even more out of focus emu
who can decide.

[QUOTE=greenberg;1692527]


http://kitchendanceparty.com/d/871-3/fuzzy+flower.JPG

Is it an out of focus dandelion
or an even more out of focus emu
who can decide.

That's Grouse Cremin
Bush chook for sure
dandelions have no pride
give me a fuzzy kangaroo and there's ya coat of arms right there
Fuck, I'll go misty eyed and stick my emo head in the sand.

*could some please tell me if i am in anyway desirous of haikuing my ass thru sciforums?
*is it not a characterization imposed on me?
*am i taken to be pretentious enough that i am now held to be passing my shit off as haiku's?

what rules have been broken for something to be not helping my case?

i actually saved a copy of sowhatifit'sdark's post since it could be held to be off topic by frag. i mean, it only contained two instances of the word haiku

:)

frag

restore the title
remove your edit
move the thread to free thoughts
find a bridge
then jump

/rotfl

gustav

you dumb bastard!
you cannot craft a haiku yet?

/beats to death

All this talk of Haiku
is it a code for someone we must not mention
like Meiku? Teiku?

All this talk of Haiku
is it a code for someone we must not mention
like Meiku? Teiku?

The great Keiku ?

yup

frag iniates the troll. all follow his lead. this ends in the cesspool

very clever, frag

/disgusted

the thread is yours. abandon ship

I have to agree with Gustav. The point of his thread wasn't to discuss Haiku. It was to discuss his own writing style and its legibility.

Fraggle basically rammed haiku down his ass.

On topic:

Sometimes you're understandable. But sometimes not.
Your chosen writing style loses legibility because of lack of verbiage. Those words aren't extra. They contain meaning and refine the sentences in a way to provide clearer meaning.

Some slimming down of verbiage is certainly acceptable and even commendable. But, you often go too far.

Combine this with your penchant for adversarialism and it spells confusion many times.

I know I find it difficult to find your point at times anyway.

*could some please tell me if i am in anyway desirous of haikuing my ass thru sciforums?Perhaps not. But this is the Linguistics board, you asked for the definition of a word, and I responded to your request and posted the definition. You then proceeded to craft free verse that was obviously intended to resemble the form of haiku yet missed the mark in a number of ways. This is a website people come to in order to learn things and you are defeating that purpose by deliberately flouting something you have been taught in a way that will very likely confuse or mislead them.

I understand that it was your attempt at irreverent humor, but someone from another country whose native language is not English and who has never heard of a haiku will not understand that. The primary mission of this forum is to serve that person's quest for knowledge, not to be an outlet for your quirky and abrasive sense of humor. Sorry 'bout that.am i taken to be pretentious enough that i am now held to be passing my shit off as haiku's?Many of us have a tendency to be pretentious, including myself. It's no sin but it does require moderating in order to maintain the character of this website.what rules have been broken for something to be not helping my case?The only rule you broke was to personally insult a moderator, and that happened after your PM. But you have been very rude. We do not post each other's private messages publicly. I have a thick skin and simply choose to put up with it. But not everyone will react the same way I do.

But, Fraggle, this thread wasn't supposed to be about Haiku.

Guilt gnaws at the bones
an owl hoots from the dark wood
was I too harsh

move the thread to free thoughts please
it has been 3 1/2 hrs since initial request and the coot is still madly editing my shit

Last edited by Fraggle Rocker : Today at 02:45 PM. Reason: Personally insulting the moderator; displaying a private message on the board.

It's more of an About the Members sort of thread, don't you think?

But, Fraggle, this thread wasn't supposed to be about Haiku.
The thread wasnt intended to be anything but spookz attempt at revenge for permabanning him...by filling up the boards with pages and pages of verbal diarrhea.

I think it was meant to be an honest discussion of what people think of his writing style. The pros. The cons. How many people are against it. For it. Can understand it. Etc.

But, Fraggle, this thread wasn't supposed to be about Haiku.He made it about haiku. He asked for the definition of "haiku" in the Linguistics Subforum. Still, he could have chosen to ignore my reply and just go on with his inscrutable rambling. But instead, he chose to deliberately write blank verse that violated the haiku form but was close enough to confuse someone who was just learning about it. In effect he gave the finger to me for taking the trouble to answer his question, to everyone who comes here wondering what a haiku is, and to SciForums.

move the thread to free thoughts please.I hope you have better luck over there.

I hope you have better luck over there.

Nope.
It's about a member so...

He made it about haiku. He asked for the definition of "haiku" in the Linguistics Subforum. Still, he could have chosen to ignore my reply and just go on with his inscrutable rambling. But instead, he chose to deliberately write blank verse that violated the haiku form but was close enough to confuse someone who was just learning about it. In effect he gave the finger to me for taking the trouble to answer his question, to everyone who comes here wondering what a haiku is, and to SciForums.

He does not write in Haiku
he writes in Gustav.
Sometimes you are also difficult to understand.

And you Gustav, stop being so self referential,
you're getting as bad as Reiku was.

I think it was meant to be an honest discussion...
Gustav looking for an 'honest discussion' is about as unlikely as 'inquisitive young people' accessing this thread for an accurate definition of haiku. :p

Perhaps you have all (conveniently) forgotten, that he wields the Secret Flame?

Though he knows and sees all, he mayn't necessarily feel like letting you know about it. ('cackle')

i am the only sane member in here
i know this

/cackle

Excuse me, but I started the whole haiku-like thing and never said it was haiku. And I also posted a link to an explanation and examples of haiku back at post 7 or 8 or something and I jokingly told him that he kept blowing the syllable counts.

The thread was about Gustavs cool but infuriating style of posting.

Excuse me, but I started the whole haiku-like thing and never said it was haiku. And I also posted a link to an explanation and examples of haiku back at post 7 or 8 or something and I jokingly told him that he kept blowing the syllable counts.

The thread was about Gustavs cool but infuriating style of posting.

Careful.. he only wants to hear it is clear and entirely readable..

Yes gustav.. I'm a retard and whatnot.. you on the other hand have superior intellect over all of us here :rolleyes:

The thread was about Gustavs cool but infuriating style of posting.
You find it 'cool'...to read pages and pages of verbal diarrhea?

The heuristic paradox emerges from a background chaos, hmm.

I guess you might say the topic of discussion is a little more direct, and "to the point" (admittedly, his point), than most.

Awaiting questions and arguments, G.

sure
all in good time tho
gotta take stock of life
happy new year, fella :)

No prob.
Back at ya.

sure
all in good time tho
gotta take stock of life
happy new year, fella :)

Gustav feeling serious all of a sudden!

I've taken the stock of life and am currently using it to support my gammy knee and swat the occassional errant youth and, of course, surreptitiously lift the odd skirt.

ja
wanna make the year count
will have lots of fun too
thats always a given tho

/smirk

spookz did not employ this mode of communication


I ask again Gustav, were you the spookz o nthis board?

if compulsion necessitates a bashing, do so
then an analysis please

am i insane?

...

spookz did not employ this mode of communication




yes, he did

I ask again Gustav, were you the spookz o nthis board?
for those that need to ask, no answer will suffice.
move along...

...


yes, he did

pardon

/kowtow

pardon

/kowtow
no, pardon me.
why, is i trashing yo thread 'gain masser?

I ask again Gustav, were you the spookz on this board?
for those that need to ask, no answer will suffice.
move along...

Know all men
and women
i busted this spookz
blood on his hands
and said:
no more veil
and feign little
you are found now
/sixth sense

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1623333#post1623333
;)

Know all men
and women
i busted this spookz
blood on his hands
and said:
no more veil
and feign little
you are found now
/sixth sense

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1623333#post1623333
;)
pendejo.
when you "busted" spookz, it was already old news for those really in the loop.

Know all men
and women
i busted this spookz
blood on his hands
and said:
no more veil
and feign little
you are found now
/sixth sense

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?p=1623333#post1623333
;)

pitty you missed bobj, and anu eh?

pendejo.
when you "busted" spookz, it was already old news for those really in the loop.

Well, I dunno who were really in the loop, but none came forward and said it at least.

pitty you missed bobj, and anu eh?

Who are they, hmm...?

Well, I dunno who were really in the loop, but none came forward and said it at least.
lets see...you busted gus in 2007....you're only ermm....3 years after the fact...but hey, better late then never.

Who are they, hmm...?
...take a wild guess.........

anyway, old news...move along now. this whole thread is just one big ego trip for spookz.

sowhatifit'sdark

in post #18 you employed some tech jargon
i can google but i anticipate fairly extensive reading
perhaps locating then matching terms within a particular context

so
wanna?

i shall then compare and contrast with examples that hopefully are a good fit

you rule

frag iniates the troll. all follow his lead. this ends in the cesspool

Not all.

And you haven't said anything about the pictures I had posted here as metaphors for your writing style.

there are no riddles or veiled allusions
just, hopefully, logical premises and inferences

however
you appear to be correct
most hold to be the shit to be crap

how goes it, green?
getting a handle on sci? :)

how goes it, green?
getting a handle on sci? :)

I'm holding on.
Thanks for asking. :)