The Islamo Arab MASTERS


Euro fear, Euro tremble, Euro capitulation [all over again].

The Spanish model of high speed humming OK to Terror, seems to be the motto.

That's right, it's not only the 'competition' with whatever US does.

So now you know more about why they were fighting Bush?
Pick France for example, the most 'Arabist' perceived European nation, Right?
It is no secret the common French racial disgust of Arabs as a whole [as the many of the Spanish are], but they're equally obsessed in hiding it, by appeasing the Arabs in ANY Anti US or anti Israel step, somehow along Arabs' brainwashing successful industry line, it is "believed" that Israel is against Arabs.


Did you figure it out yet, their moon-stroked: "illegality" - 'announcement' On Israeli DE-FENCE?



AND WHO CARES?


What?
They care about the Arab "palestinian" SO CALLED "Hardship"?

Not even close to the only one that really cares, Surprise? It's the Humane Zionists Israelis, the Israeli court, that had the courage to rule & order the IDF to altar the routing of the Life-Saving-Fence, so that the aggressor: "palestinian" Arab side does not have any inconvenience -- listen to that -- even on the expense of compromising security for Israeli babies.

Well, of course the Europeans couldn't care less about any lives saved or not about either side, but the terror hammer works.
It works especially in Europe.

Do they care at least about Iraqi Arabs?
Not when mass murderer, mass torturer: Saddam was in power, not after, not now, not ever.

Stability, that's another issue.


OIL?


They were talking about "oil," come to think of it, their stake in it, especially with THEIR loss at the removal of Saddam.

In other words, Who & Which 'court'; will subpoena the French and the UN in the "oil-for-food" scandal, in robbing poor millions of hungry Iraqis?

Now you got the picture;

Arab Muslim OIL & Terror power, in short, they believe that by kissing militants' butt they won't suffer from either whip.


PARALYZATION


The paralyzation of Europe by Islamo Arab MASTERS.

That makes those leaders say what they do NOT convinced, to declare what they do NOT believe, but as an inquisition victim that "admits" and "says" what you want Him to 'say.'

Only this time in history bit's an Arab Muslim one that does the torture, beheadings, massacres & intimidation.



"HONOR"?


At least that open 'secret' the Euro press should have picked on.

But that Euro "pride," Oh never mind -- of course -- that it went down the drain with this geek "policy," but admission is not part of their character.

That made sense.

Haha, no it didnt... Europeans? Alot of British people hate the French, Dutch hate the Germans, Spanish hate the Italians, French hate the Belgians, there is no European.

So now you know more about why they were fighting Bush?
Maybe because he's a twit?

Anyway, we shouldn’t pick on Europe – it’ll be Eurabia soon enough and then we won't have to worry about it one way or the other.
:D

Yeah, the same way America will Amexico right? You have the same immigration problems as us.

Adaptation is the best defense against extinction.

As very few Mexicans are likely to be Jihadists, better our neighbors to the south move here than our clueless ancestors from the Old World who bend over because they're surrender-monkeys.

The more who live here who are resistant to Islamo-ID10t-errors the better.

Adaptation is survival.

Yeah, the same way America will Amexico right? You have the same immigration problems as us.Although I am from the US I am an immigrant myself! I live in AU. AU has a high number of Asians. My closest friends are Asians. So I don't actually consider immigration as a “problem”. It's really a good thing - to me anyway.

As for Europe having a large migration of Muslims – So what? Europeans like to have good vacation time which translates to less work hours with - yet they still want a good life – which of course comes at a cost. I mean, someone has to actually do the work – hence immigrants.

Immigrants want to get the hell out of their painfully poor societies and work hard to give their children a better life then the one they had. So they work in Europe.

It seems like a win win to me? I think if Europe wanted to be a bit more selective in their Immigration policies all they have to do is put forward a very advanced form of religious studies in their classrooms such that by the time a child reaches adulthood/18 they are more often than not an atheist – not that one would HAVE to be atheist, more like anyone with a shred of sense would remain Atheist after being taught all the fallacies of religious doctrine along with clarifying many historical misconceptions. This in turn may deter some Muslims from migrating to Europe. However, to keep the living standard high there will always have to be migration to Europe – right? So instead of Muslims it would be E. Europeans or maybe more Asians?

That said, I see no problem with Europe becoming Eurabia. If anything this could be a good thing. It’s not that European culture is going to change, however, the effects on Islam would be quite dramatic (and really already are). The Qur’an would fall under the same scrutiny as the Bible has and end up playing second fiddler. Which to me is a good thing :)

Be careful what you wish for...following trends the US will become “Mexico Minor”, with Florida being mini-Cuba within the next 50 years. The “Latinization” of the US has already begun in earnest, within this century most Americans will be of Latin descent. The “old world” of which you belong to, will cease to be relevant. So be careful, you might just get what you wished for it might just come true.

Funny that the descendants of killers of American Indians fear being over-run by latinos.

Maybe our largely Spanish-speaking immigrants have their own Manifest Destiny. ;)

Better start making babies faster than your current ability.

Dealing with immigration for Europe, as Mr.G mentioned about the Mexicans, for the Europeans their Mexicans just happen to be Muslim out of historical happenchance. Adaptation is indeed a way to deal with the inevitable, should the Europeans not accept immigrants European living standards would begin to decrease significantly, and Europe’s population would quickly begin to shrink. Russia’s population for instance has shrunk from 148 million in 1992 to 142 million today. Europe is no different, Italy, Germany, and Spain have fertility rates dangerously low, well below the average of 2.1 needed to merely maintain the current population levels. This is the disease of affluence; the richer you are the fewer children you are likely to have. Granted that Europe’s great culture will begin to erode under the stresses of immigration. Unless the Europeans can lure back European immigrants from America back, there is very little option for the Europeans. The problem Europe has with Muslims is largely self-inflicted. There is a large amount of racism in Europe, and Europeans don’t even hide it. I watched a documentary on how French Muslims are treated in France, they get stares, and even insulted. But if Europeans want to stop the tide of Islamic immigration they have to start having more babies, and maintain the culture of Europe. You can’t have your cake and eat it too you know. Now I tried to read Kiwi’s initial post with a serious face, but I digress…the reason why Europeans are more geared to the cause of the Palestinians is because they know that much of the problems present in the Middle East today is due to their imperial map making, also the EU has by far the most progressive human rights legislation on Earth! Most Europeans have had a massive shift in their modus operandi, Mr.G mentioned this: Old World who bend over because they're surrender-monkeys. They aren’t so called “surrender-monkeys” they have experience that the US simply doesn’t have. A young and vibrant nation like the US is on her learning curve, Europe has learned her lessons. America has really no idea about the suffering and damage that war, and imperialism has wrought on the European psyche. There is a disconnect between the modern European and an American, Americans by their own admission resolve their problems through violence. We know that it doesn’t work in the long run, how do we know? European history, that’s how. Does anyone actually wonder why Germans are “peaceniks” now? Americans simply don’t have the mindset necessary to understand the true complexity of imperialistic war.

The “Latinization” of the US has already begun in earnest, within this century most Americans will be of Latin descent. .. So be careful, you might just get what you wished for it might just come true.What’s wrong with America becoming more “Latin”? Maybe a sense of rhythm will develop? ;)

Anyway, Cubans are very successful at capitalism so I don’t see that as a problem? The main reason why Cuba is a mess is because they have a shitty government.

As for Mexico it used to be wealthy and on par with the US. Add shitty government system and poof crap economy.

The US may get a bad apple once and again (Bush being the pinicle) but over all it has a solid governmental/economic model.

So it really doesn’t matter if it’s “Latin” Americans or “North” Americans – so long as the system is sound the people will be fine. Right?

Maybe our largely Spanish-speaking immigrants have their own Manifest Destiny

Its not a manifest destiny so much as it is natural growth of Mestizo-America

Better start making babies faster than your current ability.

There is a disconnect here, where I’m from we have more European ancestry then the US. I’m European, like most Americans are presently. The thing Americans have to fear is Mestizo’s who are mixed Spanish/Native decent.

What’s wrong with America becoming more “Latin”? Maybe a sense of rhythm will develop?

I used the wrong term, its not necessary Latin, much rather Mestizo invasion of the US. I personally don’t care about the US inasmuch as immigration is their problem. But what I am saying is that the US is eventually going to become part of Central America should trends continue.

As for Mexico it used to be wealthy and on par with the US.

It…was? Only during the Aztecs, man before the Europeans came North America was largely uncivilized.

So it really doesn’t matter if it’s “Latin” Americans or “North” Americans – so long as the system is sound the people will be fine. Right?

It depends on whether the majority mestizo population will see itself as American or something else…it really depends on that.

You can’t have your cake and eat it too
More properly, and logically stated as "You can't eat your cake and have it,too." ;)

...they have experience that the US simply doesn’t have. A young and vibrant nation like the US is on her learning curve, Europe has learned her lessons. America has really no idea about the suffering and damage that war, and imperialism has wrought on the European psyche. There is a disconnect between the modern European and an American, Americans by their own admission resolve their problems through violence. We know that it doesn’t work in the long run, how do we know? European history, that’s how. Does anyone actually wonder why Germans are “peaceniks” now? Americans simply don’t have the mindset necessary to understand the true complexity of imperialistic war.
I'm the youngest of three siblings. I learned from them why not to repeat their more eggregious mistakes.

I've gained a better mindset than they possess.

And better reasoning skills than you would have me believe. ;)

It depends on whether the majority mestizo population will see itself as American or something else…it really depends on that.
Being a small-business owner in South Florida whose client base is half latino, their kids are born American and mature as Americans. And their kids will, too.

As your parent's parents probably did.

Funny that the descendants of killers of American Indians fear being over-run by latinos.

Who do you think the mestizo are? The descendants of the Latinos who killed the Indian men and raped the Indian women. Christ, who were the conquistadors working for? Spain and Portugal.

I don't understand this thread, is there a gas leak in here??? I mean could someone tell me what the thread starter was getting at or saying?

me too, or is he on real good grass? :confused: :eek:

I'm the youngest of three siblings. I learned from them why not to repeat their more eggregious mistakes.

Well maybe on the individual level that may have worked (I am also the youngest) but in the epoch that is the nation insanity reigns supreme. The attitude of Americans today is like the attitude of Europeans when WWI just broke out. Collective insanity, men wanting to fight for their country, and generation who lived in peace never knew war. Believing in the impossible and the population pushed them along. Europe after losing 10 million men, and France an entire region and generation learned…hey that was pretty fucked up shit! Guess what happened out of WWI? WWII, revenge, America beware you haven’t learned your lessons well obviously. I will quote Nietzsche:

Insanity in individuals is something rare – but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.

-Friedrich Nietzsche


I've gained a better mindset than they possess.

I’m sure…you haven’t.

And better reasoning skills than you would have me believe.

Read above.

As your parent's parents probably did.

I am not American firstly, and I much better maintain my European/Southern Cone mentality, and culture.

I’m sure...
Undecided is laser-like decided?

Must be that European mentality leaking out around the public posturing.

but in the epoch that is the nation insanity reigns supreme. The attitude of Americans today is like the attitude of Europeans when WWI just broke out. Collective insanity, men wanting to fight for their country, and generation who lived in peace never knew war. Believing in the impossible and the population pushed them along. Europe after losing 10 million men, and France an entire region and generation learned…hey that was pretty fucked up shit! Guess what happened out of WWI? WWII, revenge, America beware you haven’t learned your lessons well obviously.
You opine with such certitude. Touchy business that.

I used the wrong term, its not necessary Latin, much rather Mestizo invasion of the US. I personally don’t care about the US inasmuch as immigration is their problem. But what I am saying is that the US is eventually going to become part of Central America should trends continue. I don’t understand why you seem to feel this is a problem? Latin .. .. Mestizo whatever. I don’t see it as an “invasion”.

America becoming part of central America? Not hardly, America is a concept. And for now it works. People live pretty good and have a relatively decent amount of freedoms. As such my point was that it doesn’t matter if the people are from Mexico or Cuba or China or Klingon or (god forbid) Ontario ;) they just become part of the American concept. So in that sense it will be Central (and probably South) America that will become “Americanized” (in the long run anyway) not the other way around.

As for Mexico it used to be wealthy and on par with the US.

It…was? Only during the Aztecs, man before the Europeans came North America was largely uncivilized. I was thinking the 1800’s. Of course I think CA was a part of Mexico back then as well.

It depends on whether the majority Mestizo population will see itself as American or something else…it really depends on that.Then of course it’ll be American. My family is German and Dutch and I certainly don’t consider myself either of those and I think that’s a common story in the States. Although I am surprised at the longevity of the Chinese and Italian uniqueness, nevertheless, they’re still Americans. They all contribute the American idea.

So I'm saying that the entire population could be "Mestizo" and it would still be America - running in much the same way as it is, with the same pluses and minuses.

What the feck is this european mentality anyway? There is no european mentality, attitude, anything. Britain has been on side all the way through this neo-con experiment, as have most of the eastern european nations. And surrender monkeys? Like the US turning up for WW1 3 years late? Or WW2 1 year late? You were so quick defend democracy that time werent you...

I could care less if the Mexicans come to the USA. On these conditions.

1. DO IT RIGHT TAKE THE TESTS
Do not jump the boarder and pop out a kid...

2. Learn the language and flush the paper down the stool don’t put it in the trash cans...

3. Stop flying the Mexican flag and putting it on everything. Its nice to remember where you came from but having Mexico flags all over the place is kind of messed up if you like it so much go back.

4. Get with the times UMPA LUMPA POCA MUSIC is dead...

5. You are not a cowboy you don't need snake skin boots and odd colored jeans... Straw hats are just stupid also... use felt hats if you have to use them...

6. Don't act like you don’t know English when you do...

7. Stop breading like rats once you get to the states

8. Don’t put 9 people in a pickup truck cab...

9. Try to not look and act like a wetback...............

10. Your not a gangsta so don't try to be..... African Americans got that down and wiggers... Do we really need more? More for there kids then for fresh from the boarder ones.....

11. There will always be beer you don’t need to drink it like it’s the last in the world... I know on three sides of my house I have Mexicans and every trash can is full of beer bottles...

12. Control your kids....

13. Support Immigration control's Remember the guy that swimming the boarder right now could take your job...

As for what immigration is doing for the USA it’s dragging it down in a big way... Well at least the Mexican invasion...

1. A night in a hospital near the boarder is 4600 bucks with no drugs used and no x-rays just doc visit and a blood test.... But in Kansas it’s under 800 you know why? Because hospitals can't stip treating people... So Mexicans jump the boarder and go to our hospitals and have there kids and fix any other problems they may have....

2. They taxing our well fair to the brink... They have learned that for every kid they have they get 500 bucks a month if they on well fair... So they have 9 kids and let them run a muck....

3. You could play the taking our jobs card but I really don’t want to work in fast food so don't care much... But I do care when I go into a mc d’s and no one there speaks English at all......

No what makes more sense to you fix the broken immigration system by fixing loop holes and make people go though proper paths and make them learn the language... Or let them drive hospitals prices out of control. And kill our well fair system... and make all the blacks/whites/Asians Arabs learn Spanish?

What other minority group in the USA does not want to learn the language? Fly’s there old countries flags on everything?

I remember from some where our country was based so that the majority could not take advantage of the minorities.... Sense when do we just sit around and let the minorities take advantage of the majority? Do you really think that when we are the minority that they will be that nice to us... It has already started in California they where all about affirmative action giving white jobs to blacks and Mexicans and Asians just because they where of a color... Not on there merits... Now as soon as white became the minority in the state they get ride of affirmative action...

There are stories of boarder jumpers getting taken back to the boarder and dumped off and beating the buss back to the town they deported from... This is what we need to do with any Illegal Immigrant found in the states...

1. First time 2 months in a work camp near the border building roads fences walls around the boarder... No pay live in tent cities... food suck but livable...

2. Second offence 1 year work camp

3. Third offence 5 years in a work camp

4. Life in a work camp More or less Slave labor for the rest of there life... or tell they are done building a really big wall by the boarder...

5. Bounty’s something like a 50 bucks for every illegal immigrant that they turn in and are found out to be true that the are illegally in the country.

If you fix all the holes in our immigration and make them work for a bit ever time they jump the boarder then they will be much less likely to try to jump in the first place...

Mr.G

I’m sure somewhere; you have a cognitive sentence and idea to share with the community. I hope.

Michael

I don’t understand why you seem to feel this is a problem? Latin .. .. Mestizo whatever. I don’t see it as an “invasion”.

I said it was a problem?

So in that sense it will be Central (and probably South) America that will become “Americanized” (in the long run anyway) not the other way around.


I doubt it; you don’t have millions of Anglos moving south its visa versa. Frontier states will become predominantly mestizo over the next 50 years. Already the presidential campaigns in the US have spent $17 million to deal with the Hispanic vote, the increasingly relevance of these voters and the recent putsch by the Bush administration to accept illegals as American citizens is indicative of that.

So I'm saying that the entire population could be "Mestizo" and it would still be America - running in much the same way as it is, with the same pluses and minuses.

I think you are putting too much emphasis on a notion that is America. Yes America is the first great state of the modern era, but the thing is that the US of those days was very different. Now that Latinos in the US number in excess of 30 million, and growing at quick rates. I just don’t know how such a demographic shift will affect the US.

And lets not mention Suez, even later, you fucked Britain, France and even Israel up the arse that time!

Good!

I don’t understand why you seem to feel this is a problem? Latin .. .. Mestizo whatever. I don’t see it as an “invasion”.

I said it was a problem?Yes, you said: I personally don’t care about the US inasmuch as immigration is their problem. But what I am saying is that the US is eventually going to become part of Central America should trends continue.

And then you went on to talk about how the Mestizo was in some way going to impact negatively on the US

Frontier states will become predominantly mestizo over the next 50 years

Combined with

Be careful what you wish for...following trends the US will become “Mexico Minor”, with Florida being mini-Cuba within the next 50 years. The “Latinization” of the US has already begun in earnest, within this century most Americans will be of Latin descent. The “old world” of which you belong to, will cease to be relevant. So be careful, you might just get what you wished for it might just come trueIndicates, to me, you think that Mestizo immigration is a big problem for the USA.

Maybe that’s where we differ. I don’t mind immigration. I think it’s a good thing. I personally think the “Mestizo” working in the US is fine. I used to live next to a family of Mexican immigrants. Granted they were poor but they were trying to get a better life. I think it's PERFECTLY ok to have millions of Mestizo immigrants. It is not going to in any way harm the US.

I doubt it; you don’t have millions of Anglos moving south its visa versa. Frontier states will become predominantly mestizo over the next 50 years. I said “Americanized” not “Anglicized”.

You seem to equate all that is good in America to English Culture. That isn't true at all and would exclude many states that weren't mainly English but are mainly Scandinavian or Bavarian or German ancestry.

I think you need to assess your thoughts on what it means to be North American. Is an Africana or North Korean immigrant citizen of Canada a Canadian? Do "they" harm Canada? Are they good for Canada? Is Mexican imigration to Canada harming Canada?

I think you are putting too much emphasis on a notion that is America. Yes America is the first great state of the modern era, but the thing is that the US of those days was very different. Now that Latinos in the US number in excess of 30 million, and growing at quick rates. I just don’t know how such a demographic shift will affect the US. I guess we see America differently. I don’t see America with this “wondrous” past that is somehow being eroded by a shift in demography.

It seems you are saying that somehow just by being of English/Anglo decent America was this wondrous place that is being lost and god forbid the day when Blacks, Wet-Backs, or Chinks get a majority – all hell will break loss. Truly Armageddon :) bye bye “America”.

Is that your point? Because if it isn't you need to restate your point because I'm not getting it.

My America is a place that has always had a lot of poor and has never been some sort of great Anglo-paradise. People have never had it easy and there has always been bitching about “others” somehow eroding away at the Americanisms of America. Most people have always had to work and have never had all that much. BUT So long as America maintains the constitutionally guaranteed rights and precepts I think America will go along doing about as good as it always has – Mestizo, Latino, Asian, whatever . . . . There is not this stupendous Anglo-Past Paradise that is going to be lost because America has never had a great illustrious past to begin with.

Mr.G

I’m sure...
That works an an opinion, but not as a persuasion.

You've failed, once again, to change my mind.

Then again, you're demographic hasn't done any better.

Must be you just can't relate to us Independents.

Your loss, come November. I don't suffer id10ts lightly.

Yes, you said: [i]I personally don’t care about the US inasmuch as immigration is their problem. But what I am saying is that the US is eventually going to become part of Central America should trends continue.

Yes one cannot deny that illegal immigration is a problem, for “white” America the Mestizo wave will cause much worry eventually. It is a problem because the US has to take care of more people then it possibly could by that period in time. Because Mestizos are much more likely to work for lower wages, and lower labour standards this is will drive down American living standards should the situation get too far.

And then you went on to talk about how the Mestizo was in some way going to impact negatively on the US

They could, but it depends on how you feel about America. What is America, what is the purpose, who does America work for. Granted you could say that immigration is what made America what it is. It is all a matter of perspective, and I am surely not one to define what is America.

Frontier states will become predominantly mestizo over the next 50 years

Indicates, to me, you think that Mestizo immigration is a big problem for the USA.

What I fear is how Mestizo’s will be treated by the present majority. Blacks created the “ghetto” culture as a rejection of the white culture which rejected them. It all really depends on how “whites” react to the wave of immigration. This immigration could become a major problem if not dealt correctly.

I don’t mind immigration. I think it’s a good thing. I personally think the “Mestizo” working in the US is fine. I used to live next to a family of Mexican immigrants. Granted they were poor but they were trying to get a better life. I think it's PERFECTLY ok to have millions of Mestizo immigrants. It is not going to in any way harm the US.

I don’t mind immigration either; I hope I wasn’t giving that impression. This is just another stage in the process we call Globalization. The US being one of the most open states in the world (relatively) and one of the most Globalized it is only natural for this to happen.

I said “Americanized” not “Anglicized”.

Americanized doesn’t connotate anything, American is a concept of nationalism, mestizo isn’t. I was right when I said Anglicized.

You seem to equate all that is good in America to English Culture.

I did! That’s news to me…

I think you need to assess your thoughts on what it means to be North American. Is an Africana or North Korean immigrant citizen of Canada a Canadian? Do "they" harm Canada? Are they good for Canada? Is Mexican imigration to Canada harming Canada?

As an immigrant to Canada I believe that all immigrants who enter legally are good for the nation. Frankly Canada needs more immigrants to maintain our living standards. The US on the other hand doesn’t really need immigrants her natural growth rate is enough. The problem imo is that much of the “Mestizo wave” is illegal, they genuinely depress wages. Although it can be argued that illegals make the SW USA viable economically.

It seems you are saying that somehow just by being of English/Anglo decent America was this wondrous place that is being lost and god forbid the day when Blacks, Wet-Backs, or Chinks get a majority – all hell will break loss. Truly Armageddon :) bye bye “America”.

It is generally felt that America because of her innate racism will indeed have massive racial tensions in the future.

There is not this stupendous Anglo-Past Paradise that is going to be lost because America has never had a great illustrious past to begin with.

You’d be hard pressed to even see me insinuate that anywhere.

Mr. G

You've failed, once again, to change my mind.

You and your mind are irrelevant to me, all I care about is a cognitive response to a cognitive argument, of which you have yet to do.

The Arab Muslim Oily Power Control Goliath

Does anyone remember the bias UN convene on the largest human catastrophe since WW2, The FASCISTIC Genocide by Arab Muslim Sudan GOVT., On non ArabMuslims?
Of course not, the aggressor is Arab Muslim.

Or on the Israeli babies targeted by Arab Muslim militants and it's "moderate" palestinain OFFICIALS?
Of course not, the aggressor is Arab Muslim.

Or on the Million or so victims of the Arab Muslim Racist leader Sadistic Saddam http://massgraves.info Hussein's regime?
Of course not, the aggressor is Arab Muslim.
But they have a problem with a fence against the mass murderers (http://www.geocities.com/palestiniansarelies/WallShieldAndHate)...
And Oh Boy, How urgent!
God foebid the Genocide Bombers will have a prevention, an obstacle...

http://www.israelnewsagency.com/israel_security_fence.jpg

Kiwi the fence isn't the problem the problem is its position.

Undie-Psyd'd:

You and your mind are irrelevant to me, all I care about is a cognitive response to a cognitive argument, of which you have yet to do.
Pardon me your inability to think beyond your psycological defense.net.

Pretend I'm suffering from a P.C.-actuating illlness to which you can personally relate.

Cognate your own personal impossibilty.

It is so much easier to immitate you.

Do you knowingly write nonsense, or do you honestly believe what you are writing is relevant?

I have no clue what the heck he is saying, but it might have relevence so I'm force to leave it be. :bugeye: but start making sense or I'm going to blow away alot of this as nonsense.

Undecided,
Do you knowingly write nonsense, or do you honestly believe what you are writing is relevant?
Why must density be your premier public trait?

I'm willing to suspend disbelief and imagine you simply missed the point.

But then you speak up.

I'm willing to suspend disbelief and imagine you simply missed the point.

I’m wiling to suspend my belief that you are sane, I guess we are even.

In wartime, the racists come out of the woodwork. Is identifying them worth a war? One of the few benefits I guess.

Although I am still trying to understand why color is so important to some people. I always thought the humanity of the individual was what counted.

Undie-sided,
I’m wiling [sic] to suspend my belief that you are sane, I guess we are even.
Um, no.

Is this is where I'm supposed to imagine that my self-image has anything at all to do with you?

Not happening.

I'm not one of your auto-stimulation tools.

Sorry.

Is this is where I'm supposed to imagine that my self-image has anything at all to do with you?

Well that’s elementary, literally I learned that concept back in old grade one. Although you must feel that I do affect you in a certain way because my characterization did seem to garner a response to confront what I feel about you, being insane. You really didn’t care, you shouldn’t have responded, I wouldn’t be worth the time of day. But unters will unters.

I'm not one of your auto-stimulation tools.

No I think I am for you…

Kiwi the fence isn't the problem the problem is its position.
Dear Undecided, I have much respect for you, but I beg to difer...

They're against the lifesaving FENCE because... ?

If the FENCE Wall would have been a bit away from the SO CALLED, SO "decided" PA. 'territory,' Would they be satisfied? [Then were they against the ENTIRE idea long before they found out "it's position"?]

If the FENCE would have stopped 100% of Arab, PA Muslim militant butchers, would they not complain?

If the FENCE would have been finished before they got to be prepared with all the new & different propaganda each other month, Would they be quiet?

If the FENCE would have been constructed before taking advantage of the ONLY giving side, before [only] Peace-Sacrificer Sharon (http://www.geocities.com/sharonisinnocent) has gone the extra miles to donate from Israel a piece of land like: Gaza to them, Would they even open their mouth then?

If the FENCE would have been -- like they "officially" 'demand' -- narrowed down to be glued to the Israeli villages thus not being able to guard from Genocide bombers for the certain distance necessary before it's too late... Would they "agree" to shielding from mass murderers?

You don't get what I am saying; the fence/wall is not the problem, comprende? The problem is where that fence is position on the ground; it’s changing the reality on the ground illegally. History proves that injustice no matter how long or how arduous will be met with a fate of that of death.

http://www.shearman.com/enterprise/wallfall_full.jpg

East Germany, and Sovietism can vouch for that, Zionism and Israel is no different.

nothing is fated to happen, even if it has happened before does not mean it will happen again.

nothing is fated to happen, even if it has happened before does not mean it will happen again.

The stoics, and Nietzsche would like to disagree with you, and even God. The destruction of Israel is fated to happen in Christian ethics…

Really I thought really religious Christians wanted Israeli to grow to its biblical size and then Jesus would come back and smite all the infidel (including most of the Jews)?

Really I thought really religious Christians wanted Israeli to grow to its biblical size and then Jesus would come back and smite all the infidel (including most of the Jews)?
The first part is true in their believe.
The secont part is an Arabist cheap attempt to "equate" between the two religions.

The second part is an Arabist cheap attempt to "equate" between the two religions.

What I'm a "Arabist" now? Hey that's what I have heard, I'm not saying I'm a thorough believer in it or that I advocate it.

You don't get what I am saying; the fence/wall is not the problem, comprende? .
Sorry but if you followed the Arab Muslim "Palestinian" LYING Propaganda you'd remember that they were against the entire FENCE idea, this "land" WHINE, is no less an excuse then when they massacred the First CHAIN OF EVENTS there: 1929 Arab Massacre in Hebron on NATIVE Jews in the Holy Land (http://www.hebron.org.il/pics/tarhome.htm), More ( http://www.hebron.org.il/pics/tarpat/martyrs.htm)

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Dear Undecided!

Are you referring to injustice to Non Arab Muslims there?
Plus the years of injustice in the Bias Arab Muslim Propaganda OCCUPIED UN (http://www.UnitedNothing.org)? & it's silly bias 'resolutions'?

The Vital FENCE that saves Lives (http://www.israelnewsagency.com/israelsecurityfence.html)

What I'm a "Arabist" now? Hey that's what I have heard, I'm not saying I'm a thorough believer in it or that I advocate it.
I said the 'attempt' was.

then can you explain why the Christian extremist here (in the USA) love Israel so much?

Sorry but if you followed the Arab Muslim "Palestinian" LYING Propaganda you'd remember that they were against the entire FENCE idea, this "land" WHINE,

I am against the fence as well because Israel not Palestine will suffer from that wall. It de-legitimatizes the Israeli state. Also supposedly the Israeli’s say this is only a temporary wall, buttocks you don’t spend $1 billion on a temporary wall. Support for Israel is already slipping, soon it would not exist. So keep on playing like a pariah, these are acts of a completely desperate state. You are stealing their land, it is a land grab that’s the problem.

is no less an excuse then when they massacred the First CHAIN OF EVENTS there

Sorry but the first shot in this Isr/Pal conflict started in 1967 with Israel’s illegal invasion of their land.

Are you referring to injustice to Non Arab Muslims there?

I am referring to the fact that Israel building this wall for one reason, to make the Pals lives so bad that they want to leave voluntarily. Israel knows that kicking them out would be looking bad, we aren’t stupid people.

WCF

Really I thought really religious Christians wanted Israeli to grow to its biblical size and then Jesus would come back and smite all the infidel (including most of the Jews)?


Yes and Jesus will get rid of Jews and others but Jews mostly because you defied G-d when you went to settle that land before the predestined time.

then can you explain why the Christian extremist here (in the USA) love Israel so much?

They love you to kill you…it’s completely disgusting, and Zionists love that murderous support.

aah I"m not a jew or a israeli or a zionist so stop saying "you".

aah I"m not a jew or a israeli or a zionist so stop saying "you".

I don’t mean you in that literal sense, more figuratively.

then how about you try "they"?

hmm palestinian authority is not a sovergn state israel is ... Israel is the de facto sovergnty that umbrellas the palestinian authortiy therefore it cannot take away its own land... The only way for palestinian authority to become a state is to be given that status by israel which has not happened and will not untill it can insure its own interest. Just because EU or International community led by Arab sheikhs bribes buckles doesn't mean a sovergn nation has to adhere to them or even listen.

U are confusing berlin wall which divided a city between a wall that will eventually be the definetive border between two states when palestinians are given that privilage

Here's a sample of HYPOCRITICAL Whining 'palestinian' Propagnada:

ARAB PALESTINIANS MADE MILLIONS ON FENCE CEMENT

This was written by Inigo Gilmore from Jerusalem and is archived at http://portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/07/25/wmid25.xml

Palestinian businessmen have made millions of pounds supplying cement for Israel's "security barrier" in the full knowledge of Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian leader and one of the wall's most vocal critics.A damning report by Palestinian legislators, which has been seen by the Telegraph, concludes that Mr Arafat did nothing to stop the deals although he publicly condemned the structure as a "crime against humanity".

The report claims that the cement was sold with the knowledge of senior officials at the Palestinian ministry of national economy, and close advisers to Mr Arafat. It concludes that officials were bribed to issue import licences for the cement to importers and businessmen working for Israelis.

One of the report's three authors, Hassan Khreishe - an independent legislator and long-term critic of Mr Arafat - last night called for the Palestinian cabinet to resign.

"Wealthy Palestinians with connections at the highest levels have been making millions helping Israel build this wall while Arafat and the Palestinian Authority have been urging people to fight against it," said Mr Khreishe, a council member from the West Bank city of Tulkarm.

"Why Arafat did nothing about it, we just don't know. These people are traitors who have brought shame on us, and they should be punished."

An official in Mr Arafat's office said: "We will not comment because this file has been closed and it is now in the hands of the attorney general."

Growing resistance to corruption in the Palestinian Authority is posing the most serious internal challenge to Mr Arafat's leadership. Last week, gunmen staged a number of kidnappings and attacks on security buildings in the Gaza Strip and West Bank.

Thousands of Palestinians demonstrated about high-level corruption and the appointment of Mr Arafat's cousin, Moussa Arafat, as security chief in the Gaza Strip.

The report reveals that the cement originally came from Egyptian companies which supplied it at a huge discount of $22 (£12.50) a ton to help rebuild dilapidated Palestinian houses or buildings bulldozed by the Israelis.

Between September 2003 and March this year, 420,000 tons of cement were allegedly sent to three big Palestinian companies. According to the report, however, only 33,000 tons were sold in the Palestinian market. The vast bulk was transported to Israel on trucks owned by the three firms. According to Mr Khreishe, the cement was then sold with a mark-up of at least $15 a ton - and possibly as high as $100 - making profits of well over $6 million (£3.4 million) for company executives.

The Legislative Council launched an investigation after Egyptian journalists stumbled upon business links between a German Jewish businessman and the Palestinian companies.

According to the report, on November 9 last year a letter was sent to Mr Arafat by the Palestinian Authority comptroller, revealing that open-ended import licences for the cement had been signed by Maher al-Masri, the economy minister.

The Palestinian Authority comptroller asserted in the letter that the cement was destined for the wall.

The letter was allegedly received and seen by Mr Arafat on the same day that he urged people to demonstrate on the first international "Day against the Wall". According to Mr Khreishe, Mr Arafat took no action to stop further imports, which continued for another five months.

Ministry officials said that Mr al-Masri was unavailable for comment. The minister was quoted on a Palestinian news website challenging the claims, although he conceded that some cement had been transported to Israeli businessmen. "There is an exaggeration," he said. "The goal is to distort my reputation."

He said that his own investigative committee found that only 14,500 tons of concrete were transported to Israel. He conceded that two ministry officials carried out some "suspicious administrative violations" in relation to the permits, and that there was not full co-ordination between the economy and finance ministries regarding the cement quota. The ministry had issued permits for 233,000 tons, he said, and had then cancelled permits for 65,000 tons.

The revelations in the report are highly embarrassing for Mr Arafat, who has been pushing the international community to condemn the 425-mile barrier, of which about one quarter has been built. Israel says that the barrier is vital to protect its citizens from suicide bombers and terrorist attacks. Palestinian leaders argue that it is designed to deprive them of a state, and is cutting off Palestinians from their land, schools, doctors and relatives.

Last week, the United Nations condemned the barrier and demanded that it should be torn down

hmm palestinian authority is not a sovergn state israel is ... Israel is the de facto sovergnty that umbrellas the palestinian authortiy therefore it cannot take away its own land...

Well yes Israel is a sovereign state, only because the international community recognizes it as such. Israel cannot legally own land that the international community has not accepted as part of Israel. Ever why wonder Taiwan is not considered a state… the international community states that the West Bank along with Gaza is not Israeli lands and should be ceded.

The only way for palestinian authority to become a state is to be given that status by israel which has not happened and will not untill it can insure its own interest.

Not really, the Palestinian state can UDI and then the international community would either recognize it or not. Once Palestine becomes independent any actions done by Israel against the state of Palestine is to be considered an act of international war.

Just because EU or International community led by Arab sheikhs bribes buckles doesn't mean a sovergn nation has to adhere to them or even listen.

The EU didn’t exist back in 1967, the Arabs were marginalized but yet every state passed the resolution condemning Israeli actions, even the USA. Israel ignores international law at it’s own peril.

U are confusing berlin wall which divided a city between a wall that will eventually be the definetive border between two states when palestinians are given that privilage

Your sentence is confusing…please re-read that morass.

Well yes Israel is a sovereign state, only because the international community recognizes it as such.
Aren't we lead by UN-lovers to believe that "international community" recognition is the sole arbitor of significant legitimacy?

Israel cannot legally own land that the international community has not accepted as part of Israel.
Umm, how about the age-old, international community-irrelevent notion of "To the victor go the spoils"?

"Ever why wonder Taiwan is not considered a state…
Possession being 9/10ths; since they long since declared their own independence, what does anyone else's opinon have to do with anything?

...the international community states that the West Bank along with Gaza is not Israeli lands and should be ceded.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Opinions are nothing more.

Aren't we lead by UN-lovers to believe that "international community" recognition is the sole arbitor of significant legitimacy?


Not when it defies the RACIST Arab Muslim Radical Propaganda [grip on UN...] against the Non Arab Muslims in the middle east...

Aren't we lead by UN-lovers to believe that "international community" recognition is the sole arbitor of significant legitimacy?

It is, it’s that simple to be recognized as a state among states is to be part of the UN. There is no escaping that, you may think so but that’s not the reality. The US, Europe, China, and Russia own this world and they own it through the UN.

Umm, how about the age-old, international community-irrelevent notion of "To the victor go the spoils"?

That only happens if those lands are officially ceded to the invading nation, if the UN doesn’t recognize that land grab as a legal one the ensuing affects are to pass resolutions. Using your logic Saddam should be in Kuwait City right now.

what does anyone else's opinon have to do with anything?

Why point out your own if you think it is irrelevant?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Sure, but that doesn’t mean those opinions are right or legal.

It is...
So, tell me where precisely in the US Constitution the UN grants to the US it's existential legitimacy.

The UN was granted its own quasi-legitimacy in large part by the US.

The UN is not a sovereign. Neither does it have power over the US Constitution.

So, tell me where precisely in the US Constitution the UN grants to the US it's existential legitimacy.

The US signed to the UN charter thus she ties her legitimacy along with the UN’s. Why do you think the US spends $300 million to keep the UN going, because the UN does much more good then harm for US policy.

The UN was granted its own quasi-legitimacy in large part by the US.

Granted…

The UN is not a sovereign. Neither does it have power over the US Constitution.

No one says it does, and I don’t know what this has to do with the West Bank and Gaza

The UN is occupoied by Arab Muslim Oil and Terror intimadation, I coudn't agree with you more, Kiwi!

What the feck is this european mentality anyway? There is no european mentality, attitude, anything. Britain has been on side all the way through this neo-con experiment, as have most of the eastern european nations. And surrender monkeys? Like the US turning up for WW1 3 years late? Or WW2 1 year late? You were so quick defend democracy that time werent you...
For one, Franco German oil for food scandal aiding butcher Saddam is same old MONEY Menatlity written all over it.

What "occupation" excuse is there in Zanzibar?
Why are Christians targetted???

The UN is occupoied by Arab Muslim Oil and Terror intimadation, I coudn't agree with you more, Kiwi!




LOL.......ya not like the US is intimadating anyone in the UN right? :rolleyes:

You don't get what I am saying; the fence/wall is not the problem, comprende? The problem is where that fence is position on the ground; it’s changing the reality on the ground illegally. History proves that injustice no matter how long or how arduous will be met with a fate of that of death.

http://www.shearman.com/enterprise/wallfall_full.jpg

East Germany, and Sovietism can vouch for that, Zionism and Israel is no different.

I think you will find that the iron curtain was built to keep the masses IN, not to keep the west out.

The soft-liberal EU is giving fuel to Jihadists.