It amazes me what this government is doing.

Maybe the only thing they have been doing right is paying the principal of the national debt. But at which cost? Healthcare is getting worse. Affordable post-secondary education is history. The gap between the rich and the poor has been increasing. Like... wtf!? :bugeye:

When I came to Canada, this country was on the very top of the list in human development. Now, 5 years later is like... in 10th place! :eek:

It's so... irritating how this government is so retarded!!!!

Like... house prices, hello!? The prices have skyrocketed. It's getting very hard to afford a house in Canada. The real estate market is a big red sign. Interest rates are way too low! The economy can't grow like weed forever!

What about "our" exports and "our" imports? Altough Canada exports more thne imports, most of the exportation goes to the US and it's comprised mostly of raw materials! What if the US goes into a depression, what happens with Canada? And is that policy of exporting raw materials and importing manufactured goods wise? Obviously not!

The government is simply not investing in the future of Canada. It has constantly put all the pressure in the young people. Post-secondary education is too expensive. Everyone is getting too much in debt. Then there is the house prices. Young people can't afford to pay the cheapest mortgage, let alone the downpayment! Now this stupid new government gives us a "present" by decreasing sales tax by 1% (oh wow, 10 cent in savings per month! :rolleyes: ) and cut down all the child care subsidy, which costs over $600 per child per month!!!! Like... are they insane!?!?!!?!? And where does the surplus goes? To rich people of course! They get all the tax breaks!!!!!!!!

Then there is the immigration policy. The worst one in the planet. They might as well kill us.

Like... Arrrrgh! Its worse then one of the brazilian governments I remember. The guy created a new currency that was much better. As a result, people started importing way more then exporting. How did he solve the problem? Did he increase import taxes? No!!! He wasn't THAT smart, was he? No, instead he CREATED INFLATION! What a masterpiece of stupidity! Now the currency had devalorized out of control!!!

Still Canada is way worse then that. And that's why Canada has fallen to 10th place or so in the human development index!

A chimp would do a better job at running the country!

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Whadda you bitchin' about ?

Ya still got poutine, Timmy Ho's, and plenty of hydroponic dope !

Go git a large double-double, schlepp together a big batch of that molten ham gravy cheese-grease (or whatever the hell that crap is), and smoke a big 'un -

You'll need your appetite...

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Hello Truth

Just reading through your post - seems like the house price situation is the same there as it is in UK, not to mention a crap immigration policy.

I saw on the television a few weeks back that somewhere in Western Canada was land where oil could be produced and I quote "Would keep the USA in oil for the next thirty years"

I dont know exactly where in Canada it was - but it wouldn't be a bad idea to get this oil out and make Canada prosper a little better

Canada...it's not even a real country!

you forgot the anyway!

Hello Truth

Just reading through your post - seems like the house price situation is the same there as it is in UK, not to mention a crap immigration policy.

I saw on the television a few weeks back that somewhere in Western Canada was land where oil could be produced and I quote "Would keep the USA in oil for the next thirty years"

I dont know exactly where in Canada it was - but it wouldn't be a bad idea to get this oil out and make Canada prosper a little better
It's Alberta. Alberta is growing a lot and their situation is way better....

But that's irrelevant. It's still a raw material, it is not sustainable, and it's just in one province. The government as a whole is still stupid.

... And oil is a matter of luck, not government competence...

government reflects the people?

...The government as a whole is still stupid....Health care expenditures per capita, as percent of GDP:
Canada = <10%
USA = 15%

Life expectancy:
Canada = 80 years
USA = 77 years

I.e. US spends 50% more to achieve three years less of life on average. Because Canada has universal heath care, at low or zero cost to the sick, they all get medical aid; but if the need is not urgent, they may need to wait months. This is often cited as evil of government supported health care systems that almost all high life expectancy countries use, (See graphical data below.)Opponents of universal government health care usually mentioning this delay, but neglect fact that in the US many, with low incomes, wait years to seek medical aid and then, near death, go to some hospital's emergency room where the cost is very much higher to treat them, unless they cooperate and die quickly.

US is a government of the rich, by the rich and for the rich. More at Thread "How DUMB can US voters be." - Especially about tax dollars used to make multi-billionares even richer with farm subsidies, domestic alcohol subsides and tariff against importing alcohol (they are so effective that no income is produced as none is imported). The net result is Joe TaxPayer pays more for his food and to drive his car, etc.

Which system / government is more stupid? (in the most important thing in ones life -health.)

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Canada is becoming like the US. That's what bothers me....

Well, Canada is already way too friendly to the rich...

When I came to Canada, this country was on the very top of the list in human development. Now, 5 years later is like... in 10th place! :eek:


Maybe if you went back to where you came from Canada might move up a notch. Think of it as something you can do for your country.

I can do a hell lot more for my country if I stay here.

You gotta remember about globalization... ;)

If I do well, I can open doors that my country have never even dreamt of.... :eek:

It amazes me what this government is doing.

Maybe the only thing they have been doing right is paying the principal of the national debt. But at which cost? Healthcare is getting worse. Affordable post-secondary education is history. The gap between the rich and the poor has been increasing. Like... wtf!?

When I came to Canada, this country was on the very top of the list in human development. Now, 5 years later is like... in 10th place!

It's so... irritating how this government is so retarded!!!!

Like... house prices, hello!? The prices have skyrocketed. It's getting very hard to afford a house in Canada. The real estate market is a big red sign. Interest rates are way too low! The economy can't grow like weed forever!

What about "our" exports and "our" imports? Altough Canada exports more thne imports, most of the exportation goes to the US and it's comprised mostly of raw materials! What if the US goes into a depression, what happens with Canada? And is that policy of exporting raw materials and importing manufactured goods wise? Obviously not!

The government is simply not investing in the future of Canada. It has constantly put all the pressure in the young people. Post-secondary education is too expensive. Everyone is getting too much in debt. Then there is the house prices. Young people can't afford to pay the cheapest mortgage, let alone the downpayment! Now this stupid new government gives us a "present" by decreasing sales tax by 1% (oh wow, 10 cent in savings per month! :rolleyes: ) and cut down all the child care subsidy, which costs over $600 per child per month!!!! Like... are they insane!?!?!!?!? And where does the surplus goes? To rich people of course! They get all the tax breaks!!!!!!!!

Then there is the immigration policy. The worst one in the planet. They might as well kill us.

Like... Arrrrgh! Its worse then one of the brazilian governments I remember. The guy created a new currency that was much better. As a result, people started importing way more then exporting. How did he solve the problem? Did he increase import taxes? No!!! He wasn't THAT smart, was he? No, instead he CREATED INFLATION! What a masterpiece of stupidity! Now the currency had devalorized out of control!!!

Still Canada is way worse then that. And that's why Canada has fallen to 10th place or so in the human development index!

A chimp would do a better job at running the country!

Sadly it is a global trend which is created by multi national companies and out-sourcing of manufacturing.
The answer is none to pleasant to those who control the markets as it means they are going to lose control of the global markets which is why it is likely to drive the species into extinction.

OR
back to the stone age after collapse of all modern technologies and societies, staggerringly enough many people actual are pushing for this development with a return to fundermentalist religion and onemay question why global corperations are pursuing this same form of civilisational armagedon.

The only solution to the problem is localising production and distribution
OR
Securing Social welfare for all countrys

Some general thoughts for consideration.
note pyramid marketing scams are designed exactly the same as the normal busines model marketing system, which is why the current version of Capitalist free market is doomed to collapse the economy.
Once one company owns all parts of the market there is no way to distribute the profit factor into the bottom rung of the pyramid

KeeP in mind property prices are controlled by banking SOO...
Banking must be controlled by ther government to stop one bank from buying out all the others and dictating society.

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It amazes me what this government is doing.

Maybe the only thing they have been doing right is paying the principal of the national debt. But at which cost? Healthcare is getting worse. Affordable post-secondary education is history. The gap between the rich and the poor has been increasing. Like... wtf!? :bugeye:

That's because of capitalism in general, not because of the Canadian Government. Otherwise, I agree with you about healthcare and post-secondary education. I think Canada should really review it's immigrant-doctor licensing procedures. The Canadian Medical Association is being a dick by restricting qualified immigrants from becoming practicing doctors and physicians in Canada. The CMA "claims" that it's because standards/education overseas is different, but the vast majority of immigrants who DO manage to get internship/medical assistant positions in Canadian hospitals show just as much skill and expertise as homegrown medical students. It's stupid really! We can potentially get thousands of doctors more in Canada every year if the CMA changed their position. In addition, we need increased funding too, but increased funding without increased doctors/physicians is stupid anyway.

About post-secondary education, blame the provinces as well for that. Cutting education funding is horrible.



Like... house prices, hello!? The prices have skyrocketed. It's getting very hard to afford a house in Canada. The real estate market is a big red sign.

Supply and demand. Houses are hot commodities now; thus, prices go up. Houses are also safe investments.

Interest rates are way too low! The economy can't grow like weed forever!

The Bank of Canada is in capable hands. They know what they're doing. If inflation rates vary outside of a low of 1% to a high of 3%, interest rates will be manipulated to cushion the change. It's all about stability and maintainable growth.

What about "our" exports and "our" imports? Altough Canada exports more thne imports, most of the exportation goes to the US and it's comprised mostly of raw materials! What if the US goes into a depression, what happens with Canada? And is that policy of exporting raw materials and importing manufactured goods wise? Obviously not!

We can't help it. We've traditionally been a resource/agriculture-based economy. Our manufacturing sector is less efficient, much smaller, and less diversfied as the Americans. And even America is exporting it's manufacturing overseas. Blame the conglomerates and corporations for that. And yes, if America is going through recessionary periods, we'll feel the sting too. 70% of our trade is with the Americans. That's something that cannot be helped.


The government is simply not investing in the future of Canada. It has constantly put all the pressure in the young people. Post-secondary education is too expensive. Everyone is getting too much in debt. Then there is the house prices. Young people can't afford to pay the cheapest mortgage, let alone the downpayment! Now this stupid new government gives us a "present" by decreasing sales tax by 1% (oh wow, 10 cent in savings per month! :rolleyes: ) and cut down all the child care subsidy, which costs over $600 per child per month!!!! Like... are they insane!?!?!!?!? And where does the surplus goes? To rich people of course! They get all the tax breaks!!!!!!!!

I feel you. Young people have it fairly tough in Canada.


Then there is the immigration policy. The worst one in the planet. They might as well kill us.

I think we have a good immigration policy. It's just that our programs to hook immigrants up with good jobs is completely crap. That's why you have a PhD electrical engineering student from India working as a security guard. Or a Chinese person with Medical degree working as a VOLUNTEER medical assistant. Or a Russian person with a degree in pharmacy working as a janitor. It's horrible. These are the very people we NEED in Canada because we don't graduate enough of them here, but we treat these skilled immigrants like crap.


A chimp would do a better job at running the country!

I could make a joke about this, but I'm afraid I would offend a lot of people on Sciforums. So, I won't.

Supply and demand. Houses are hot commodities now; thus, prices go up. Houses are also safe investments.
Should that mean thousands of people going homeless?

The Bank of Canada is in capable hands. They know what they're doing. If inflation rates vary outside of a low of 1% to a high of 3%, interest rates will be manipulated to cushion the change. It's all about stability and maintainable growth.
Yes, I know. However, what is more important, economic growth or economic sustainability?

We can't help it. We've traditionally been a resource/agriculture-based economy. Our manufacturing sector is less efficient, much smaller, and less diversfied as the Americans. And even America is exporting it's manufacturing overseas. Blame the conglomerates and corporations for that. And yes, if America is going through recessionary periods, we'll feel the sting too. 70% of our trade is with the Americans. That's something that cannot be helped.
And something to be considerably concern about....

I feel you. Young people have it fairly tough in Canada.
How old are you?

I think we have a good immigration policy. It's just that our programs to hook immigrants up with good jobs is completely crap. That's why you have a PhD electrical engineering student from India working as a security guard. Or a Chinese person with Medical degree working as a VOLUNTEER medical assistant. Or a Russian person with a degree in pharmacy working as a janitor. It's horrible. These are the very people we NEED in Canada because we don't graduate enough of them here, but we treat these skilled immigrants like crap.
Canada treats all immigrants like crap. International students alone bring BILLIONS of dollars to Canada, and they treat us like pigs. They even tried to deny my child WHO IS A CANADIAN from child tax. God, they never even helped my wife when she was a child. Social services knew she needed help and they refused to help her. Now I come to Canada, pretty much take her out of the streets and all the government can do is make things harder. It's all soooooo stupid.

I could make a joke about this, but I'm afraid I would offend a lot of people on Sciforums. So, I won't.
:D

I think we have a good immigration policy. It's just that our programs to hook immigrants up with good jobs is completely crap. That's why you have a PhD electrical engineering student from India working as a security guard. Or a Chinese person with Medical degree working as a VOLUNTEER medical assistant. Or a Russian person with a degree in pharmacy working as a janitor. It's horrible. These are the very people we NEED in Canada because we don't graduate enough of them here, but we treat these skilled immigrants like crap.

Obviously the skills of these skilled immigrants aren't needed, otherwise they'd have no problem finding a job. Supply and demand.

Immigration is often detrimental to wealth per capita, as it causes the population to grow, often with a lag in capital growth. That means there's less production per worker, and less output per worker.

Likewise, if each worker is producing less (because there are more workers), there are less social benefits to go around.

That makes no sense. With regular population growth, you have children which are not exactly skilled workers, are they? So in that case, yes you would see that scenario. But if skilled workers are coming in, then you are actually maximizing productivity because they are able to work right away.

But again, the government is retarded. I see help signs everywhere and I can't work anywhere. That's not really the worse part of the policy at all, however.

That makes no sense. With regular population growth, you have children which are not exactly skilled workers, are they? So in that case, yes you would see that scenario. But if skilled workers are coming in, then you are actually maximizing productivity because they are able to work right away.

But again, the government is retarded. I see help signs everywhere and I can't work anywhere. That's not really the worse part of the policy at all, however.

No.
Workers need capital to produce stuff. In microecon you learned that there are diminishing returns to capital. If you have 5 workers on a machine, doubling to 10 workers won't double your output.

So even if skilled workers come in, there's no capital for them to work. There may not even be jobs for them in the first place. For instance, all the Indians working janitorial jobs, despite having degrees.

Yes, but that's exactly not the situation here. Just about everyone here needs people to hire!

Yes, but that's exactly not the situation here. Just about everyone here needs people to hire!

Try living in the USA. You can work USA-Mexico border patrol.

Whine, whine , whine. My advice is get away from whoever is feeding you the bullshit.

Sorry you were disillusioned and made the move to Canada. Their propaganda machine conned you into going somewhere where you thought you'd find Shangri-La. Let's see..Canada has free medical, welfare, equal opportunity, English as a 2nd language education, jobs, government funded job training opportunities, laws against discrimination, laws designating racial hiring ratios, publicly funded education, modern cities, government housing, government grants for entrepreneurs, churches of every denomination or religion....... never mind I see your point. What a terrible place. A haven for deadbeats. They are waiting for a messiah just like you to set things right.

Looks good, eh? But how much does all that cost?

Try living in the USA. You can work USA-Mexico border patrol.

Whine, whine , whine. My advice is get away from whoever is feeding you the bullshit.

Sorry you were disillusioned and made the move to Canada. Their propaganda machine conned you into going somewhere where you thought you'd find Shangri-La. Let's see..Canada has free medical, welfare, equal opportunity, English as a 2nd language education, jobs, government funded job training opportunities, laws against discrimination, laws designating racial hiring ratios, publicly funded education, modern cities, government housing, government grants for entrepreneurs, churches of every denomination or religion....... never mind I see your point. What a terrible place. A haven for deadbeats. They are waiting for a messiah just like you to set things right.

Yeah, why go for the diluted thing if you can go to SCANDINAVIA!!!!!!!!!!!

YAYAYYAY!

Too expensive....
And cold... :eek:

Expensive? myth. You will be compensated with benefits if you are poor. That will level your income.

Cold? You live in canada...:bugeye:

Looks good, eh? But how much does all that cost?

Try this novel approach.

First shut your pie hole and take a look around. If you notice that your living in a gov't housing complex, in an overcrowded house where kids are condsidered a reason to collect baby bonus money(they have this in Canada), or your car looks like shit or you are taking the bus or walking, or you don't work but the gov't money keep rolling in, someone in there is on unemployment insurance or worker's disability or welfare or selling drugs, or no one is working and everybody is complaining and not doing anything to personally change their lives and most of all....if you notice all of your neighbors are living the same way................................then,

It is time to quit whining, get off your ass and take advantage of living in such a great country where with a little bit of effort on your part could result in you becoming a taxpayer to help pay for all that non-incentive crap that you complain about but which does nothing more than manufacture deadbeat whiners such as yourself. Believe it or not, if you are paying taxes then you are better off than the situation described aforehand.

You come here expecting $80k a year, well you're no different than any college grad. The problem is that even a grad isn't guaranteed anything unless they work at it. If you want the cycle of life you're in to continue then keep complaining, if you want it to stop, then get off your fat ass and do something productive. As I said in another post, don't listen to the bullshit of those who got you complaining in the first place. They're fucked up more than you can imagine even if you do respect them. Have some self respect and take care of yourself. Quit wallowing in self pity. Grow the fuck up.

Try this novel approach.

First shut your pie hole and take a look around. If you notice that your living in a gov't housing complex, in an overcrowded house where kids are condsidered a reason to collect baby bonus money(they have this in Canada), or your car looks like shit or you are taking the bus or walking, or you don't work but the gov't money keep rolling in, someone in there is on unemployment insurance or worker's disability or welfare or selling drugs, or no one is working and everybody is complaining and not doing anything to personally change their lives and most of all....if you notice all of your neighbors are living the same way................................then,
Not really. We are all hard working enterpreneurs...

It is time to quit whining, get off your ass and take advantage of living in such a great country where with a little bit of effort on your part could result in you becoming a taxpayer to help pay for all that non-incentive crap that you complain about but which does nothing more than manufacture deadbeat whiners such as yourself. Believe it or not, if you are paying taxes then you are better off than the situation described aforehand.
1. I'm not allowed to work
2. I pay 500% more then everyone else to receive a decent education

:bugeye:

You come here expecting $80k a year, well you're no different than any college grad. The problem is that even a grad isn't guaranteed anything unless they work at it. If you want the cycle of life you're in to continue then keep complaining, if you want it to stop, then get off your fat ass and do something productive. As I said in another post, don't listen to the bullshit of those who got you complaining in the first place. They're fucked up more than you can imagine even if you do respect them. Have some self respect and take care of yourself. Quit wallowing in self pity. Grow the fuck up.
I'm not complaining about my situation (altough that is totally understandable), I'm actually complaining with their incapability to deal properly with the economy and with the issues this country faces.

But whatever... I have all reason to complain. I have 3 midterms next week, I want to keep writing my business plan but I can't because I'm too busy and I have to deal with legal matters now because my wife became a victim of medical negligence....:bugeye:

But whatever... I have all reason to complain. I have 3 midterms next week, I want to keep writing my business plan but I can't because I'm too busy and I have to deal with legal matters now because my wife became a victim of medical negligence....:bugeye:

Ai, yi, yi!!! If you're content with just firing off excuses then I see the Canadian taxpayers carrying you and yours on their backs for a long time. Congratulations, you're well on your way to beating the system.

:bugeye:

I'm an enterpreneur. I pay taxes, I don't receive them. :bugeye:

About post-secondary education, blame the provinces as well for that. Cutting education funding is horrible.

Education for the sake of education, huh? Obviously, Canada has no appropriate jobs for all those educated folks. Lots of folks quit HS to work on Alberta's oil fields, pays better than education. It's much better for the people to feel that they are where they are because of the education costs. If they will stuck selling burgers with all that education, they will feel like shit indeed .