Re-started to think about that after reading this (http://women.msn.com/862800.armx)....

It is half of yourself..... that says a lot.... :bugeye:
Why is it half of yourself? Well... because the whole left side of your brain works with spiritual matters. That includes emotions, creativity and other more spiritual things.

For the sake of discussion, I shall define "spiritual" as everything that is not physical or directly related to logic.

Why is it half of yourself? Well... because the whole left side of your brain works with spiritual matters. That includes emotions, creativity and other more spiritual things.

So, you're defining 'spiritual' as not physical or related to logic, but you're claiming the spiritual part of a person has a direct correlation to a particular half of the brain? If spirituality is not related to logic, then you are by far the most spiritual person around--at least, with this kind of sloppy, pseudo-mystical logic.

Also, if you think a particular half of the brain takes care of all of those things, you don't know jack about the brain. Also, why is creativity 'spiritual'? Creativity is what allows people to make fantastic works of art, but it's also what killers and torturers use to inflict pain and suffering.

So, you're defining 'spiritual' as not physical or related to logic, but you're claiming the spiritual part of a person has a direct correlation to a particular half of the brain?
I'm not claiming half of the brain is spiritual, I'm saying that half of the brain is related to spirituality.

If spirituality is not related to logic, then you are by far the most spiritual person around--at least, with this kind of sloppy, pseudo-mystical logic.
Spirituality is related to logic in the same way logic is related to spirituality... :rolleyes:

Also, if you think a particular half of the brain takes care of all of those things, you don't know jack about the brain.
Yes, I don't know anything about the brain. Still, I don't deny any part of it.... :rolleyes:

Also, why is creativity 'spiritual'? Creativity is what allows people to make fantastic works of art, but it's also what killers and torturers use to inflict pain and suffering.
Creativity.... power of creation. Creation.... God.... creator of the universe.... See a trend here....? :rolleyes:

Funny thing.... Looks like you vote "depends on its benefits", and you still disagree with me.... You contradict yourself.... :rolleyes:

If spirituality is not related to logic, then you are by far the most spiritual person around--at least, with this kind of sloppy, pseudo-mystical logic.
It's funny how someone that gets an A+ on Java programming is so illogical, isn't it...? :rolleyes:

Btw... this thread is directly related to this (http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=42341) one....

Enjoy...

Well... because the whole left side of your brain works with spiritual matters. That includes emotions, creativity and other more spiritual things.

Hate to burst your bubble but you got it backwards. The left side of the brain is the logical and rational speaking side of the brain. It is the right side of the brain that is devoted to emotional matters. However, it's a misnomer to say that emotions come from the right hemisphere of the brain. They actually arise from limbic system. It's just that they are associated in the right half of the brain. Another important function of the right brain is spatial reasoning.

Oh.... this whole left and right thing are all too confusing... :p
It totally depend on your perspective! :bugeye: ;)

Sounds like you agree with me on the division of the brain....


I thought the limbic system would actually just express the emotion... like if you feel fear, you actually feel it in your body through the limbic system...?
I don't know. Teachers always refused to talk about the limbic system.....

This (http://www.driesen.com/new_page_1.htm#LIMBIC%20LOBE) is what I found about the limbic system. Looks like it is in the brain... it doesn't say the location tough....

Yes. The limbic system is part of the brain. It is the second of our three brains. The first is the reptilian brain (brains stem), the second is the paleomammalian (limbic system, amygdalla, hypothalamus, etc...), and the last is the neocortex.

Here's a pic:

http://img47.exs.cx/img47/6829/NN-fig26.jpg

The limbic system is often called the nose brain as the sense of smell is so intimately linked into it via the olfactory bulbs. This is why smells are so prominent in emotional response and memory (the hippocampus directs our interest and prompts memory consolidation).

I do not think that spirituality is important, just as I do not think religion, faith or god are important.
And I do not consider emotions spiritual, they are influenced by our enviroment.

The limbic system is often called the nose brain as the sense of smell is so intimately linked into it via the olfactory bulbs. This is why smells are so prominent in emotional response and memory (the hippocampus directs our interest and prompts memory consolidation).
Do you remember smells? Cause they seem pretty insignificant for most people... :eek:
Vision seem to be everyone's favourite. Then comes audition, palate and then maybe smell, but likely touch...

I do not think that spirituality is important, just as I do not think religion, faith or god are important.
Research shows that spirituality is important. Followed the first link?
Also:

http://www.upliftprogram.com/h_spirit.html
http://www.upliftprogram.com/depression_stats.html
http://www.tikkun.org/magazine/index.cfm/action/tikkun/issue/tik0107/article/010704b.html
http://www.helpguide.org/aging/spirituality.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2001/oct/13/spirituality_health.htm
http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/9/spirituality.htm

From first link:
"Depression Recovery Guidelines
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- Meditation, prayer and relaxation exercises such as yoga or our own Meditations in Movement. [28]
- Fostering spiritual beliefs and a sense of purpose and sharing them with others. [29]
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From the last link:
"Researchers distinguish between the two by describing spirituality as a belief in a power outside oneself and one's own existence" and religiousness as the outward practice of a particular spiritual understanding."

Which is exactly the distinction I have been trying to make here.... :rolleyes:

And I do not consider emotions spiritual, they are influenced by our enviroment.
They are not physical, tough.

Do you remember smells? Cause they seem pretty insignificant for most people...
Vision seem to be everyone's favourite. Then comes audition, palate and then maybe smell, but likely touch...

Are you serious?

Look at it this way. The limbic system lies below your consciousness. In fact, your consciousness is almost solely relegated to a small portion of your left hemisphere. You don't remember smells much because they lay below consciousness. However, smells are intimately tied to memory. Repressed memories are often dredged up by smell association. The smell of hot chocolate or moldy blankets or god knows what. Smell is a direct link to your brain by the physical world. You take chemicals from the environment directly into your brain. This is a much deeper connection than vision or hearing, both of which are heavily interpreted.

Just because a thing is not conscious does not mean it's not powerful.

Think sex. Think of the smells of sex. This is power. Deep and raw. A direct pipe into your brain.

"For the sake of discussion, I shall define "spiritual" as everything that is not physical or directly related to logic."

Well that places it squarely outside the Western philosophical tradition.