First up I would like to congratulate the soldiers of the HAMAS Army Of Liberation in their great election/liberation victory .
Israel Says It Won't Accept Hamas Government (http://www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/01/79A30D40-AEE5-4A7A-909E-E47990A40C19.html)
Israel now hopes it has the hostile Palestinain government it needs to justify further repressionist policies and finally wreck the peace process.
Bush: Hamas should recognise Israel (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/3FE25FEF-4A81-45DD-BC55-6F3B50D9EADD.htm)
And in return will America demand the same of Israel ?
We must remember that Palestine is the occupied land which is now called Israel, Israelis are occupiers and should not expect peace unless they realise the existence of a Palestinian state and remove the restrictions and opression on the Palestinian people.

It really no longer matters what America and Israel say , because the rest of the world accepts the HAMAS victory and are willing to work with HAMAS .
EU keen on 'peaceful' Palestinian govt (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E0D2CA93-0CDE-4CC0-A94C-F95292A3CFDF.htm)
Russia vows to respect Hamas election victory (http://www.interfax.ru/e/B/0/28.html?id_issue=11455299)
Japan calls on world community to bring Hamas into the ME peace process (http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticle.asp?xfile=data/middleeast/2006/January/middleeast_January725.xml&section=middleeast&col=)
New Zealand sends cautious congratulations to Hamas (http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=14197&cid=15&cname=Politics)
Arabs see Israel and US changing stance on Hamas (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L26229193.htm)
And why not ? The World knows HAMAS runs the social services in Gaza , HAMAS has shown a rounded commitment to the people -- not just confrontation with the brutal Israeli occupation , HAMAS are people we can work with .

This is just another striking example of Americas waning Global influence , and Israels regional unimportance . The World is telling America and Israel to put up with HAMAS accept it and get on with it .Its a clear sign that as America sinks Israel is going down with it .

sounds like your taking sides brian.
a bit hypocritical isn't it?

Yeah, right, Foley. It just sets everything back several years to the days of active Ara-fat-head. The fact that the majority in this democratic process are hell-bent on continuing destruction means nothing to someone of your mentality. Peace is now farther away than it has been in quite a while.

Just remember this: when the majority are idiots they will always chose an idiotic path.

First up I would like to congratulate the soldiers of the HAMAS Army Of Liberation in their great election/liberation victory .

Israel now hopes it has the hostile Palestinain government it needs to justify further repressionist policies and finally wreck the peace process.

And in return will America demand the same of Israel ?
We must remember that Palestine is the occupied land which is now called Israel, Israelis are occupiers and should not expect peace unless they realise the existence of a Palestinian state and remove the restrictions and opression on the Palestinian people.

It really no longer matters what America and Israel say , because the rest of the world accepts the HAMAS victory and are willing to work with HAMAS .

And why not ? The World knows HAMAS runs the social services in Gaza , HAMAS has shown a rounded commitment to the people -- not just confrontation with the brutal Israeli occupation , HAMAS are people we can work with .

This is just another striking example of Americas waning Global influence , and Israels regional unimportance . The World is telling America and Israel to put up with HAMAS accept it and get on with it .Its a clear sign that as America sinks Israel is going down with it .


Oh brian you are a worry to us saints,

"finally wreck the peace process"

What peace process, you mean the blow people to pieces process.


"Palestine is the occupied land"
Is not australia occupied land brian, do Aboriginees have a right to blow up australians to get there country back brian, will you show the same support to a Aboriginees terroist campaign as you do to the palestine one brian.

The dove of peace to you brian, my beloved son.

Funny brian you lecture us all on palestine occupied lands, yet like the isralies who occupy arab land, you occupy Aboriginee land, why are you so quick to attack the jews, but not your fellow australians, & would you support a iranian backed terroist campaign in australia, like you support iranian backed terroist campaign in palestine.

You are a very funny guy brian, a hypocrite but funny.

Thats Brain Fooley!

Funny brian you lecture us all on palestine occupied lands, yet like the isralies who occupy arab land, you occupy Aboriginee land, why are you so quick to attack the jews, but not your fellow australians, & would you support a iranian backed terroist campaign in australia, like you support iranian backed terroist campaign in palestine.

You are a very funny guy brian, a hypocrite but funny.


P.S. brian how is it the Aboriginees dont resort to terroism, or the Maori of new zealand, or the indians of america, unlike the palestine people, could it be, they all practice a more peaceful religon, or is it just a coincidence.
Something that seems to bounce over most heads here,
LOL

First up I would like to congratulate the soldiers of the HAMAS Army Of Liberation in their great election/liberation victory .

The World knows HAMAS runs the social services in Gaza




http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nahm0002/child/al-aqsa-kids-01.jpg


http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nahm0002/child/pal-child-abuse-48.jpg

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nahm0002/child/pal-child-abuse-15.jpg



"First up I would like to congratulate the soldiers of the HAMAS Army Of Liberation in their great election/liberation victory "

Dont forget to congratulate the kids brian too...


"The World knows HAMAS runs the social services in Gaza"

Yes they do a good job of training there kids to be terroists

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nahm0002/child/0pal-child-abuse-1970.jpg

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nahm0002/child/baby-gunman-01.jpg

http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nahm0002/child/pal-child-abuse-14.jpg


The face of the new palestine government, i am sure it will be a peaceful one.

I hope they dont start the pursuit of Nuclear Arsenal following pakistans example.

anomalous:
there is no way israel would let that happen.
it would become "full scale invasion" time, if there were even a hint of it.

anomalous:
there is no way israel would let that happen.
it would become "full scale invasion" time, if there were even a hint of it.
Hmm, so it would be better to import them from Pakistan instead.

http://www.wnd.com/images2/jihadkids2.jpg

Education is very important under hamas, mock beheadings are taught at a early age.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/gallery/image/0,8543,-13605244297,00.html

if they were so inclined, then yes, anomalous.

Israel now hopes it has the hostile Palestinain government it needs to justify further repressionist policies and finally wreck the peace process.

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Well judging by my pics, there is no worry there brian, this will be a very hostile Palestinain government, every man woman & child armed to the teeth.
You really are a poet brian.


P.s. oh & babies too, i forgot there is a family snap picture, of a baby with not one, but 2 guns, this baby is going to be called the sundance kid.

sounds like your taking sides brian. a bit hypocritical isn't it?
No I have always backed HAMAS , I have made no secret of it .
Yeah, right, Foley. It just sets everything back several years to the days of active Ara-fat-head.
Far from it only Israel with its American benefactor are stalling this process , HAMAS's victory is what the Palestinians want . And the World has said it was a democratic election , and from the EU to Russia , Japan and even little New Zealand have said they will work with HAMAS .This is Israels last chance as the World community are sick and tired of this round of Zionist bullshit and realise that , because we ALL know what is behind the terror .
" We would have made more progress against terrorism if we had brought peace to Palestine rather than war to Iraq " (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5893.htm)
Peace under HAMAS will eventually come to Palestine and the Palestinian people , in a new reborn Palestine nation with Jerusalem as its Capital. .P.S. brian how is it the Aboriginees dont resort to terroism, or the Maori of new zealand, or the indians of america
Because the Australian Airforce does not bomb Aboriginal reserves killing hundreds .
Because the US Army does not invade Native American reservations with tanks and gunships killing , looting and vandalising property .
Because the New Zealand Goverment does not impose a medieval economic embargoe on Native Maori reserves to force them on purpose into 5th World squalor as punishment .
Thats why they dont resort to what Palestinians are being forced to commit .

Education is very important under hamas
If Israeli children set the example ....................
http://nonprofitnet.ca/wao/wao_images/settlerskick.jpg

Because the US Army does not invade Native American reservations with tanks and gunships killing , looting and vandalising property .
Because the New Zealand Goverment does not impose a medieval economic embargoe on Native Maori reserves to force them on purpose into 5th World squalor as punishment .
Thats why they dont resort to what Palestinians are being forced to commit .


* Bathurst massacre - 1824 - Following the killing of seven Europeans by Aboriginal people around Bathurst, New South Wales, martial law was declared and around 100 Aboriginal people killed.

Richmond River massacre - January 1864 - 100 people killed at Richmond River, New South Wales


* Battle Mountain - 1884 - 200 Kalkadoon people killed near Mt. Isa, Queensland after a Chinese shepherd had been murdered.


* Coniston massacre, - 1928 - Europeans shoot 32 Aborigines at Coniston in the Northern Territory after a white dingo trapper and station owner are attacked by Aborigines. A court of inquiry says the European action was ‘justified'.
June 10 in 1838, was a terrible day in human history. Fifty years
after the British penal colony was established, European settlers to
Northern New South Wales, Australia cruelly and heartlessly tortured
and murdered, twenty-eight Aboriginal men, women and children. The
next day their bodies were burnt. This event became known as the
Myall Creek massacre.


* Battle of Pinjarra, Western Australia - 1834 - Official records state 14 Aboriginal people killed, but Aborginal accounts put the figure much higher

+++++++++

If i recall my history brian, the americans wiped out whole indian tribes, tens of thousands brian, has israel killed that many palestine people, no, & the australian government has treated the Abs like shit, they have even said so, they too, to this day are piss poor like the palestine people no money & no jobs, the new zealanders have done a better job with there Maori .



There are far to many Australian Aboriginal massacres to list here brian,
so i will ask you again brian, why is it only the palestine people resort to terroism, the Aborigines dont, the american indians dont, what make the palestine people different, simple there religon, a religon that allows kids to run around with machine guns...................

If Israeli children set the example
Boy oh boy is that all you got, a playfull tug of a womans hat or veil, a kid doing whaht kids do, a mock kick that does not connect, and brian did you ever consider they were shouting jewish bastards at them, to get these pics, the palestinne pics are of family album photos, families proud to show there kids carrying automatic weapons.........

There is a massive difference brian.

http://www.victims.org.uk/images/plo.jpg

Shh dont say a word brian sent me this, by private message now we know where he truly stands he supports all terroists, irish, palestine, anybody with a bomb and a gun is brians best friend.

Terroists united eh brian, brothers to the death.

and brian did you ever consider they were shouting jewish bastards at them,
Suuurre a middle aged women surrounded by 3 heavily armed IDF terrorists and a lynch mob decides to shout Jewish Bastards .
Terroists united eh brian, brothers to the death.
I stand with the oppressed peoples of the World !
The IRA are victorious they beat the British occupiers and soon the PLO will also be victorious .

Suuurre a middle aged women surrounded by 3 heavily armed IDF terrorists and a lynch mob decides to shout Jewish Bastards .

I stand with the oppressed peoples of the World !
The IRA are victorious they beat the British occupiers and soon the PLO will also be victorious .
Well brian i will agree with you to some degree, i have lived &worked in israel, and i found the jews the most arrogant people i have ever met in my life, and they are even more arrogant than the stuck up upper class twats that talk posh in the uk, i have never had time for arrogant or posh people, but terroism is never the answer, money & power is the answer, thats what makes friends.

And although i hate the ira, the british do not need to be in ireland, and i am sure you are aware, it is only the britidsh government that keeps the brits there, the british people, would have kissed goodbye to northern ireland, 20 or 30 years ago.

Brian made a key point. With HAMAS in power, the USA and ISrael will no longer have to keep hidden what they've been doing all these years and that is lie about this so called peace process. They can come right out and say what they mean now: "Fuck the Palestinians! The only peace we'll ever allow them to have will be brought about by the bullet."

There's a reason why childern are brought up with the gun over there. It's a way of life. There mothers and fathers are killed daily by the Israeli killing machine. Gotta protect yourself. Try for once to put yourself in the other persons shoes for a while. I know it's a hard thing to do but what is it like being a Palestinian? What would you have to had gone through to make you think that the only way out was blowing yourself up?

I don't think anyone here can understand what it's like to have to live that way.

Brian made a key point. With HAMAS in power, the USA and ISrael will no longer have to keep hidden what they've been doing all these years and that is lie about this so called peace process. They can come right out and say what they mean now: "Fuck the Palestinians! The only peace we'll ever allow them to have will be brought about by the bullet."

There's a reason why childern are brought up with the gun over there. It's a way of life. There mothers and fathers are killed daily by the Israeli killing machine. Gotta protect yourself. Try for once to put yourself in the other persons shoes for a while. I know it's a hard thing to do but what is it like being a Palestinian? What would you have to had gone through to make you think that the only way out was blowing yourself up?

I don't think anyone here can understand what it's like to have to live that way.

I can appreciate a good post, even if its different from my own point of view, you sell a convincing argument.
Very well worded & said, you would make a good diplomat.

Well brian i will agree with you to some degree, i have lived &worked in israel, and i found the jews the most arrogant people i have ever met in my life,
Now imagine how the Palestinians find the Israelis .
but terroism is never the answer
All we have to do is realise what are the roots of terrorism are to understand .
Brian made a key point. With HAMAS in power, the USA and ISrael will no longer have to keep hidden what they've been doing all these years and that is lie about this so called peace process. They can come right out and say what they mean now: "Fuck the Palestinians! The only peace we'll ever allow them to have will be brought about by the bullet."
My personal opinion is that the Palestinians have said , " Fuck it , we aint getting anywhere , the Peace process is an illusion ! We are now worse off since the 1994 Oslo peace accord than at anytime in our history since 1948 . So I am going to vote HAMAS as they speak for me " . And the world really has sympathised with the Palestinians this time .
There's a reason why childern are brought up with the gun over there. It's a way of life. There mothers and fathers are killed daily by the Israeli killing machine. Gotta protect yourself. Try for once to put yourself in the other persons shoes for a while. I know it's a hard thing to do but what is it like being a Palestinian? What would you have to had gone through to make you think that the only way out was blowing yourself up?
You are simply a product of your enviroment , and if your playground also happens to be a battleground the product of childhood experiences turns very nasty when they become young adults .
I don't think anyone here can understand what it's like to have to live that way.
I believe in the slum lord punishment , make Sharon and Israelis of his ilk live in Gaza for a year and see what it is like .

http://www.wnd.com/images2/jihadkids2.jpg

Education is very important under hamas, mock beheadings are taught at a early age.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/gallery/image/0,8543,-13605244297,00.html Thats a vrey good altrenative to Hi-technology and cowardness.

Suuurre a middle aged women surrounded by 3 heavily armed IDF terrorists and a lynch mob decides to shout Jewish Bastards .


* only 2 kids abused the women, you can see that the other children didnt take part in this stupid childish act.

* there were only 2 IDF soldiers, one of them is with his back to the camera and can't see what's going on. the other guy seems to be raising his hand and is probably shouting to the kids to leave her alone.


soon the PLO will also be victorious .
the PLO and Hamas are two different organizations. the PLO recognize the right of israel to exist. do you?

First up I would like to congratulate the soldiers of the HAMAS Army Of Liberation in their great election/liberation victory .

http://www.newint.org/issue309/Images/fist.GIF

bush: to hell with democracy!

gustav: foley rules!

"the US Army does not invade Native American reservations with tanks and gunships killing , looting and vandalising property"

No, we invaded them with the US Cav, forced them off their land, and killed 99% of the Native American population.
We dont invade them with tanks because they are already dead you MORON.

At least they Native Americans had the Balls to fight (and if it wasnt for smallpox and the other things we used to screw them over the probably would still be around).

I hope the native Austrailians rise up and fight. Im sure you would support them- they are in far worse shape than the Palastinians.

No, we invaded them with the US Cav, forced them off their land, and killed 99% of the Native American population.
We dont invade them with tanks because they are already dead you MORON.
99% yeah right , there are 5 million Native Americans today , poverty stricken but at least they have citizenship and can leave their reservations at any time and have access to welfare and healthcare .
I hope the native Austrailians rise up and fight. Im sure you would support them- they are in far worse shape than the Palastinians.
Are they could you provide examples .

gustav: foley rules!
You just earned yourself a beer , I feel much better :)
Any how more good news , the inevietable is sinking in .
Half of Israelis say ‘talk to Hamas’ (http://news.ft.com/cms/s/3ea234ee-8f59-11da-b430-0000779e2340,dwp_uuid=99eafd16-a001-11d8-81c6-000e2511c801.html)
Israel Palestine flagsAlthough the Israeli government has ruled out negotiations with a Palestinian government involving Hamas, two opinion polls published on Thursday showed that almost half of Israelis want talks.

FORWARD PALESTINE WITH HAMAS

Enough barracking, I think. Let's have some balanced debate.