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Yonescoh
09-05-07, 11:28 AM
If we would "live" in the fourth dimension, would we experience the whole history of the universe as "present"?

Discuss.

EmptyForceOfChi
09-05-07, 11:30 AM
things come and pass, things move and take place. events happen one after another. NOW is all we experience. we could not experience everything at once, because motion causes events.

peace.

spidergoat
09-05-07, 11:32 AM
Wait, which dimension is this again?

Enmos
09-05-07, 11:32 AM
What would the fourth dimension be ?

EmptyForceOfChi
09-05-07, 11:33 AM
time is the fourth dimention (so they say).

peace.

nietzschefan
09-05-07, 12:05 PM
If we would "live" in the fourth dimension, would we experience the whole history of the universe as "present"?

Discuss.

Watching the hourglass of the universe turn end over end and yourself in it...a speck of dust.

Enmos
09-05-07, 12:07 PM
time is the fourth dimention (so they say).

peace.

If that is so we already live in the 4th dimension.. ? Right ?

EmptyForceOfChi
09-05-07, 12:13 PM
If that is so we already live in the 4th dimension.. ? Right ?

as far as i knew, we lived in all of the dimensions at the same time. hence why our universe is said to have 4 dimentions.

peace.

Crunchy Cat
09-05-07, 12:31 PM
If we would "live" in the fourth dimension, would we experience the whole history of the universe as "present"?

Discuss.

don't we 'live' in multiple dimensions simultaneously?

Wisdom_Seeker
09-05-07, 12:51 PM
If we would "live" in the fourth dimension, would we experience the whole history of the universe as "present"?

Discuss.

Yes

Wisdom_Seeker
09-05-07, 12:52 PM
don't we 'live' in multiple dimensions simultaneously?

Yes

Wisdom_Seeker
09-05-07, 12:52 PM
If that is so we already live in the 4th dimension.. ? Right ?

Right

Why?
09-05-07, 12:54 PM
No. You would see all possibilities in time, but you would still be subject to time. Imagine a three dimensional being looking down on a two dimensional being. The three dimensional being can see what might lie ahead for the two dimensional being, but the two dimensional being can't see these physical possibilities. Likewise, the fourth dimensional being can see all the possibilities of where our actions could take us, or the landscape of possibility, but the fourth dimensional being won't know which possibility we take until we take it. Just like the third dimensional being doesn't know what path the two dimensional being takes until it takes it.

Wisdom_Seeker
09-05-07, 01:00 PM
Allegedly, the fourth dimension is time; alright.
A two dimensional being, would surely have a three dimensional manifestation, but he is not aware of the third dimension. So as we, each of us has a manifestation in the fourth dimension that we are not aware of; over the millenia, humans have called this "fourth dimensional manifestation of ourselves", the soul.

Mystics over millenia have told people that a part of ourselves lives after death; we donīt really die after death, it is just a cyclic process like day and night. So there is a part of ourselves that is eternal (God made man in his image = eternal).

We are here in the third dimension thinking this is all there is, but there is really eternity, and beyond eternity, totally out of our current comprehension. Basically, we are living all of our past and future lives right now.

Enmos
09-05-07, 01:33 PM
as far as i knew, we lived in all of the dimensions at the same time. hence why our universe is said to have 4 dimentions.

peace.

Yeah, that's what I mean. If we live in all 4 dimensions at the same time we also live in the 4th.

Wisdom_Seeker
09-05-07, 03:54 PM
Yeah, that's what I mean. If we live in all 4 dimensions at the same time we also live in the 4th.

You believe each of us is existing right now in the fourth dimension?

īCause if you believe that, and you donīt believe a part of us never dies... youīre in a contradiction.

cosmictraveler
09-05-07, 04:13 PM
If we would "live" in the fourth dimension, would we experience the whole history of the universe as "present"?

Discuss.

Humans couldn't live inside time itself.

Oli
09-05-07, 04:25 PM
You believe each of us is existing right now in the fourth dimension?

īCause if you believe that, and you donīt believe a part of us never dies... youīre in a contradiction.

How so?
Time is the fourth dimension (or "a" fourth dimension) - in which things have duration, just as, say a box has "duration" in length width and height.
The box comes to an end (its "duration" finishes) in each of those dimensions so why can't it (and us) come to an end in time?

Wisdom_Seeker
09-05-07, 04:32 PM
How so?
Time is the fourth dimension (or "a" fourth dimension) - in which things have duration, just as, say a box has "duration" in length width and height.
The box comes to an end (its "duration" finishes) in each of those dimensions so why can't it (and us) come to an end in time?

Just cause

Wisdom_Seeker
09-05-07, 04:43 PM
We are living in the 4th, 5th, 6th, etc... dimensions at the same time, now.
To say we only live in 3 dimensions is like saying we only have 1 dimension; it is limiting the unlimited.
It is like saying that just because you are 6 feet tall, there is nothing more than 6 feet in the vastness of space.

If we live in the 4th dimension, that is time, then we could be able to "see" time, just the same way as we see height. Not because we have an unlimited height, but because there is an unlimited height. So why we are not able to "see" time the same way as we see height? Because the part of ourselves that can "see" time is unconscious in the third dimension; you are not really connected to it, or you would go crazy. Just like our brain "erases" the memory of a trauma, that is how is defending us from going crazy being able to "watch" time.
Imagine if a person would be born with the capability of being conscious of the fourth dimension! That would be kinda nuts, the person would probably go crazy from childhood, the mind cannot process that much information, because the mind is in the third dimension. The mind is the three-dimensional manifestation of something that goes beyond dimensions; but the three-dimensional mind has to be born and die in the third dimension in order to exist here. So this mind that is born and dies in the 3rd dimension cannot possibly get a glimpse of the fourth dimension, but our real self can; the part of ourselves that goes beyond the 3 dimensions can get a glimpse of all this. That is what mystics have been saying all along. And this is also how clarivoyance works.

Oli
09-05-07, 04:51 PM
We are living in the 4th, 5th, 6th, etc... dimensions at the same time, now.
Speculation.

If we live in the 4th dimension, that is time, then we could be able to "see" time, just the same way as we see height.
We don't see "height" we see the duration of an object in that dimension.

So why we are not able to "see" time the same way as we see height?
Um, because it's not a visual thing?

Wisdom_Seeker
09-05-07, 04:55 PM
okay, I was just randomly spraying thoughts. But I do believe we can get in touch with the fourth dimension, that currently is, but we don´t have the capability to perceive it with normal awareness.

Oli
09-05-07, 05:01 PM
You're not aware of the passage of time? :)

Wisdom_Seeker
09-05-07, 05:03 PM
You're not aware of the passage of time? :)

Do you seriously think that minute by minute, second by second, is all there is to time?
Time is not even linear, that is just as we perceive it.

Oli
09-05-07, 05:05 PM
Do you seriously think that minute by minute, second by second, is all there is to time?
I haven't come across anything else.

Time is not even linear, that is just as we perceive it.
Then how do you know it's not linear?

Regardless, you are still AWARE of time.

Wisdom_Seeker
09-05-07, 05:18 PM
I haven't come across anything else.
you will

Regardless, you are still AWARE of time.
We are aware of time, from the third-dimensional perspective; therefore we are not really aware of the totality of it.

Then how do you know it's not linear?
Because every moment lasts forever.

Yonescoh
09-05-07, 10:25 PM
Wow. Let me clarify a few things....

If we would "live" in the fourth dimension,
Notice the quotation marks. I don't mean we do not live in the fourth dimension. I mean we are not aware of it. So we could rephrase it to:

If we were aware of the fourth dimension,


would we experience the whole history of the universe as "present"?

Discuss.
Notice the quotation marks. By "present" I mean the experience of "now".