Inspired by sam's Hindu thread I thought it would be good to have some sticky reference threads on the major religions.

So for this thread I'm hoping someone will offer to add some summaries and some reference links covering the facts of Islam. No preaching or debate just the facts please.

Of course everyone should feel free to add their own objective observations and factual content.

Enjoy
Cris

This is a pretty general outline with links to texts:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/introduction/understandingislam.html

edit: I went through some of the links last night and realised much of the interpretation of Islam is from the Wahabi angle here.

I'll try to find one more representative of the Sunni majority later.


Here is a more representative link:

http://www.sunnipath.com/library/articles.aspx?leftNavID=6

Click on the left pane or articles for details.

The Philosophy of Islam:

http://www.al-islam.org/philosophyofislam/

This is a pretty general outline with links to texts:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/introduction/understandingislam.html

edit: I went through some of the links last night and realised much of the interpretation of Islam is from the Wahabi angle here.

I'll try to find one more representative of the Sunni majority later.


Here is a more representative link:

http://www.sunnipath.com/library/articles.aspx?leftNavID=6

Click on the left pane or articles for details.

lol, I was just gonna say.

"The Book of Tawheed" by Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab, translated by Sameh Strauch

Three chapters from "The Fundamentals of Tawheed" by Abu Ameenah Philips

These books do not represent the mainstream view.

Texts of Islam:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/index.htm

Has the Quran, Hadith and other texts.

Islamic Sources:

Living Islam - Islamic Tradition (http://www.livingislam.org/)

As-Sunnah Foundation of America (http://www.sunnah.org/)

DeenPort (http://www.deenport.com/)

Masud - Original Sources for Traditional Islam (http://www.masud.co.uk/)

Hanafi.co.uk (http://www.hanafi.co.uk/)

Red Sulphur (http://www.red-sulphur.org/)

Tasawwuf - The Islamic Science of Spirituality (Sufism) (http://www.tasawwuf.org/)

Thanks Ghost.

I rarely use online resources for Islam, except here in sciforums.

One is considered muslim when having these six faiths:
1. in Allah the one God
2. in Muhammad (and all other prophets) as messengers of God
3. in scriptures (Qur'an, Injil, Torah, Zabur) as messages from God
4. in supernatural beings (jins, angels)
5. in Qadha (determined being, states, & events) and Qadar (effects on actions); as God's will
6. in Judgement day.

No. 1 and 6 are purely faith, out of scientifical question. No experience, no evidence.
No. 2 thru 5, mix of faith and experiences.

What specially interests me is no 5, regarding written fates, and free will. Many interpretations regarding this, and mostly non-conclusive.

If any good reference to this issue, please....

One is considered muslim when having these six faiths:
1. in Allah the one God
2. in Muhammad (and all other prophets) as messengers of God
3. in scriptures (Qur'an, Injil, Torah, Zabur) as messages from God
4. in supernatural beings (jins, angels)
5. in Qadha (determined being, states, & events) and Qadar (effects on actions); as God's will
6. in Judgement day.

No. 1 and 6 are purely faith, out of scientifical question. No experience, no evidence.
No. 2 thru 5, mix of faith and experiences.

What specially interests me is no 5, regarding written fates, and free will. Many interpretations regarding this, and mostly non-conclusive.

If any good reference to this issue, please....


Is this a translation of "Aamannar Rasoolu"? :)

I think that is standard of essential Islam, the six faiths.
The basic lesson I'd learnt, and actually first lesson in studying Islam.

"Aamannar rasoolu", is it a book?

What I know, it is arabic language, means a command for (many) people to have faith (iman) in rasul (prophet).

I think that is standard of essential Islam, the six faiths.
The basic lesson I'd learnt, and actually first lesson in studying Islam.

"Aamannar rasoolu", is it a book?

What I know, it is arabic language, means a command for (many) people to have faith (iman) in rasul (prophet).

I was thinking of the last but one verse of Surah Al-Baqarah.(2:285)
http://personalquran.blogspot.com/2006/09/2285.html

(this is a very interesting blog by a Palestinian with a literal personal translation of the Quran in progress)

I learned the Shahadah like this though:

"Al Imanul Mufassal." (A detailed declaration of faith)
"Amantu billahi wa mala'ikatihi, wa kutubihi, wa rusulihi, wal yawmil akhiri, wal qadri khairihi wa sharrihi minallahi ta'ala, wal ba'thi ba'dal mawt."

(I believe in Allah, in His angels, in His books, in His messengers, in the Last Day and in the fact that everything good or bad is from Allah, and in the afterlife.)

some more Essentials of Islam
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2006.htm

A dictionary of Quranic text with root meanings.

Can search by chapters or by roots.

http://www.irreduciblefifth.force9.co.uk/burhan/index.htm

One point to clarify since it is very different from other religions:

There is no hierarchical clerical authority in Islam, no Church, no Pope, no priests or ministers. Prayers are led by any learned person who knows the Qur'an and is chosen by the congregation. He (or she, if the congregation is all women) is called the imam i.e. imams or clerics are not "holy". When a Muslim prays he prays directly to God not through any intermediary. When he serves God he is not serving an institution but God alone. Every human being is individually responsible for their own actions and their own beliefs. No one can take that responsibility away from you.

If you think that anyone is ordering you to act against what you sincerely believe to be the will of God you are duty bound to disobey that order and instead obey Allah.

u c guys, going by what all the religions say, going by what they all instruct human beings as to how to lead their lives, I guess a lot of people would actually belong to all there religions.
But sadly they fail to understand one simple but alluding aspect - that of truth, being truthful, helpful, caring, understanding - being good in general. The most important point of leading one's life righteously...

But sadly they fail to understand one simple but alluding aspect - that of truth, being truthful, helpful, caring, understanding - being good in general. The most important point of leading one's life righteously...and theres absolutely no need to be religious, to be that way either is there.

u c guys, going by what all the religions say, going by what they all instruct human beings as to how to lead their lives, I guess a lot of people would actually belong to all there religions.
But sadly they fail to understand one simple but alluding aspect - that of truth, being truthful, helpful, caring, understanding - being good in general. The most important point of leading one's life righteously...

It see4m's like someone here has deceloped their own religion, without mentioning any names :)

No debate please folks - just stay with facts and quality links.

Why it is taught never to question Islam!
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/pathwaystojihaditerrorism.shtml
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

Women are inferior to men and ordered to dress up as beekeepers!
http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_17594.shtml

Why it is taught never to question Islam!
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/pathwaystojihaditerrorism.shtml
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/

Women are inferior to men and ordered to dress up as beekeepers!
http://www.iranian.ws/iran_news/publish/article_17594.shtml

Wahabism.

(Cris does not want a debate here; you can ask me in my Islam thread)

One point to clarify since it is very different from other religions: There is no hierarchical clerical authority in Islam, no Church, no Pope, no priests or ministers. Prayers are led by any learned person who knows the Qur'an and is chosen by the congregation. Imams or clerics are not "holy".I don't think this actually distinguishes Islam from Judaism. A rabbi is not a holy man, merely a learned person who knows the scriptures and is chosen by the congregation. The essence of a rabbi is to be a teacher, not a priest.

I don't think this actually distinguishes Islam from Judaism. A rabbi is not a holy man, merely a learned person who knows the scriptures and is chosen by the congregation. The essence of a rabbi is to be a teacher, not a priest.

Thanks I'm not very familiar with the structure of Judaism.

“Islam Empire of faith” is a very good movie show to see. Short and from educated bias sources (Americans). It was very difficult to cover such a long period but I guess it was fair enough. Watch it, it is really a good one.

The names of God in Islam

http://www.asmaulhusna.com/

The 12 minute short movie, "Submission" release in Holland prompted the brutal murder of its director, Theo van Gogh by a local Muslim. The movie depicts beatings of Muslim women from their 'peace loving' husbands. The movie itself was written by a Muslim women, Hirsi Ali, who quotes:

"If you're a Muslim woman and you read the Koran, and you read in there that you should be raped if you say 'no' to your husband, that is offensive. And that is insulting."

disseminating islam

syria (http://faculty-staff.ou.edu/L/Joshua.M.Landis-1/Islamic%20Education%20in%20Syria.htm)

saudi arabia (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/19/AR2006051901769_pf.html).

egypt (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=14017)

Over the weekend I had the pleasure of attending an Arab wedding at my country club, this is significant as it had been my third Muslim wedding.

American's are very peacufull but I am allways amazed how well everyone get's along/

The five pillars of Islam:

1. Shahadah, the Testimony of Faith

The shahadah is the Islamic creed. It means "to testify" or "to bear witness" in Arabic. The shahadah is the Muslim declaration of belief in the oneness of God and in Muhammad as his final prophet. Recitation of the shahadah is considered one of the Five Pillars of Islam by Sunni Muslims.

2. Salāt, prayer

Prayer is a requirement upon Muslims five times a day. These five prayers are called Fard or obligatory prayers. The time for these prayers are during set times in the day.

Fajr (Approximately an hour and a half before sunrise) Dhuhr (Just after high noon) Asr (Mid afternoon) Maghrib (Just after sunset) Isha'a (Approximately an hour and a half after sunset)

Before prayer can be preformed, the person must be ritually clean. This cleaning is called Wudu. It must be done if the person has gone to the bathroom, passed gas, vomited, or bled. A more thorough, full-body ablution (ghusl) is required after sexual contact, and is recommended before Friday prayers (Jummu'a)

The salat must be performed in the Arabic language, the language of the Qur'an. During prayer, the person prostrates and kneels in the direction of the Ka‘bah in Mecca. The session ends with looking right and left to say "As-salaamu 'alaykum", or peace be unto you.

3. Siyam, fasting on Ramadan

Observance of the sawm (fasting), or siyam, involves abstinence from eating, drinking, smoking, sexual intercourse, unruly thoughts, and other forms of worldly pleasure. This fasting is ordained in the Qur'an, and is observed by devout Muslims throughout the daylight hours of the 29 or 30 days of the lunar month of Ramadan. There are some exceptions, for example for children, pregnant women and sick Muslims. Children do not have to fast until puberty. In addition, women on their menstrual cycle do not have to fast either.

As well as fasting, Muslims spend more time praying during this period. Sawm is intended to teaammad to be his Prophet.

4. Zakāt, the paying of alms

Zakat means both purification and growth. Each Muslim calculates his or her own. It is some sort of tax.

Zakāt is 2.5% of a Muslim's net worth or value of their holdings, not just his/her earnings.

5. Hajj, the pilgrimage to Mecca

Anyone who is Muslim can perform the hajj, regardless of where they are from. Muslims must perform this pilgrimage at least once in their lifetime if affordable.

During the Hajj the Muslims recall what happened to important people in their history. Muslim and Western researches trace these traditions to Muhammads own performance of the Hajj. It is a way for Muslims to commemorate Muslims actions.

Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam)

Islam reconizes Christ as a prophet, just not as the messiah correct?

ya.

What does Islam say about non-believers?

What does Islam say about non-believers?

The disbelievers:

http://www.jamiat.org.za/kids/suras/surah_al_kafiroon.html

Other verses about disbelievers:


Surely We have revealed to you [O Muhammad!] the Book for the people with truth; so whoever follows the right way, it is for his own soul, and whoever goes astray, he goes astray only to its detriment; and you have not been put in charge of them (39.41).

Whoever obeys the Messenger, he has indeed obeyed Allah; and as for he who turns away, We have not sent you [O Muhammad!] as a keeper over them (4.80).

Therefore do [O Muhammad!] remind [with the Message that We revealed to you], for you are only a reminder (88.21). You are not a controller over them (88.22).

We know best what they say [about Our revelation to you, O Muhammad!], and you are not to be a dictator over them. Therefore, remind by the Qur'an he who fears My threat (50.45).

But if they turn away, then We have not sent you [O Muhammad!] as a keeper over them; only deliverance [of the Message] is your duty (from 42.48).

And if you [O disbelievers!] deny [the truth], then nations before you did indeed deny [the truth]; and nothing is incumbent on the Messenger other than plain deliverance [of the Message] (29.18).

Call [O Muhammad!] to the way of your Lord with Wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in the best manner; surely your Lord best knows those who go astray from His path, and He best knows those who follow the right way (16.125).

See what has happened to nations where Islam has become a dominant force, no freedom of religion, those who leave Islam are killed, they have pathetic economies, their women are treated like dogs, on and on, there is no freedom in Islam, just bowing to the whims of its leaders, based upon what the Koran says, look and see what such has caused.

here is a great trusted resource to read the translation of the meaning of QURAAN :

www.islamway.com



i wanna say that not all links people mentioned in this thread are trusted resources for islam , so take care people plz ... islam has so many enemies all over the world fighting islam ;)



and please refer to my thread here .... its very important :


http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=44145

"Islam has so many enemies all over the world fighting Islam."

See what has happened to nations where Islam has become a dominant force, no freedom of religion, those who leave Islam are killed, they have pathetic economies, their women are treated like dogs, on and on, there is no freedom in Islam, just bowing to the whims of its leaders, based upon what the Koran says, look and see what such has caused.You can say exactly the same thing about Christianity up until the Enlightenment. Islam was founded about 600 years later than Christianity. It has been said that Islam has been tracking the evolution of Christianity very closely, just half a millennium behind it. Perhaps you will live to see the Islamic Enlightenment.

The Roman Catholic church did not let the people read the Bible, the Muslim clerics encouraged their people to read the Koran, big difference.

"Islam" means "peace".

"Islam" means "peace".


"Islam" means submission.

"Islam" means submission.

True, but Islam is derived from an Arabic rootword carrying a meaning of peace.

The question is how do Muslims define 'peace' and how do they keep it? Historically, by not submitting to Allah, there can be no peace.

True, but Islam is derived from an Arabic rootword carrying a meaning of peace.

The question is how do Muslims define 'peace' and how do they keep it? Historically, by not submitting to Allah, there can be no peace.

No, because it involves a lot of commitment to be able to practice Islam faithfully.

2: 177 It is not righteousness that ye turn your faces toward East or West; but it is righteousness to believe in Allah and the Last Day and the Angels and the Book and the Messengers; to spend of your substance out of love for Him for your kin for orphans for the needy for the wayfarer for those who ask and for the ransom of slaves; to be steadfast in prayer and practice regular charity; to fulfill the contracts which ye have made; and to be firm and patient in pain (or suffering) and adversity and throughout all periods of panic. Such are the people of truth the Allah-fearing.

No, because it involves a lot of commitment to be able to practice Islam faithfully.

is jihad part of this faith?

is jihad part of this faith?

The above verse is a definition of jihad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad), the struggle for faith.

The above verse is a definition of jihad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad), the struggle for faith.

do you believe in ISLAM SAM? Because if you dont...and if I was muslim...time to repay for those sins SAM.

do you believe in ISLAM SAM? Because if you dont...and if I was muslim...time to repay for those sins SAM.

Sorry thats not your job, or anyone else's:D

Whoever obeys the Messenger, he has indeed obeyed Allah; and as for he who turns away, We have not sent you [O Muhammad!] as a keeper over them (4.80).

No, because it involves a lot of commitment to be able to practice Islam faithfully.

Then, what about the hypocrites such as yourself who don't?

Then, what about the hypocrites such as yourself who don't?

Thats hardly any of your business now, is it?;)

Then, what about the hypocrites such as yourself who don't?

Why do you call religious people hypocrites for not following their religion when you don't even believe that the religion has any useful meaning at all?

Essential of Islam: cut the throat of nonbelievers

Essential of Islam: cut the throat of nonbelievers

Is that necessary?
I would suggest that moderators delete the irrelevant posts in this thread involving anti-Muslim comments.

Is that necessary?
I would suggest that moderators delete the irrelevant posts in this thread involving anti-Muslim comments.

whats the matter, truth hurts?

whats the matter, truth hurts?

No, its a useless comment, especially for a sticky thread.

Thats hardly any of your business now, is it?

The fact that you're a hypocrite is important to know when reviewing your posts, so it should be my business.

The fact that you're a hypocrite is important to know when reviewing your posts, so it should be my business.

Why?

Why do you call religious people hypocrites for not following their religion when you don't even believe that the religion has any useful meaning at all?

I think you answered your own question.

The question is how do Muslims define 'peace' and how do they keep it?
I wish this thread would answer that question. Unfortunatelty, so far, it has had too many useless posts.


Still... how can Islam be a religion of peace if so many verses in the Qu'ran urge people to fight and kill? Sounds kinda childish to me. Maybe Islam is outdated by a good few thousand years?

I wish I could see more peace...

I think you answered your own question.

So, technically, your usage of the word hypocrite is subjective?
If you believed in religion/spirituality at all, you might be more attuned to her arguments?

Essentially, you throw anything you don't believe in. That's hypocritical for someone who believes in free thought, don't you think?

Muhammed was a marauder, and it hasn't stopped since.

So, technically, your usage of the word hypocrite is subjective??No it was technically objective, based on yet more evidence suggesting the hypocracy of religious wackos.
If you believed in religion/spirituality at all, you might be more attuned to her arguments?Yes of course one would be more brainwashed(oops I mean "attuned") to her arguments if they believed in religion/spirituality.

Essentially, you throw anything you don't believe in. That's hypocritical for someone who believes in free thought, don't you think?

No, the definition of free speach is to throw in everything one doesnt believe in, as much as everything one does believe in.

Atheistic wackos talk about God all day long, and then say He doesn't exist, why is this?

Atheistic wackos talk about God all day long, and then say He doesn't exist, why is this?

I don't talk about god all day.

Shouldn't you say "the alleged God?"

Shouldn't you say "the alleged God?"

No. Gods are real. Your god too, he's just as real as Yoda, I don't say "the alleged Yoda."

Do you think some people become demonically possessed, or is that all au natural?

Atheistic wackos talk about God all day long, and then say He doesn't exist, why is this?

What you have created in your head only exists to you as a mentally ill person. All evidence so far validates this. When will there be enough evidence for you morons to stop saying "Dahhhhhhhhh but there is no proof my god doesnt exist ploppppppp"?:rolleyes:

Do you think some people become demonically possessed, or is that all au natural?

I think that's just silly.Do you believe in schitzophrenia or the flu, or is it just demons inside of people?

Planckster, you're funny and silly and deranged.

Atheistic wackos talk about God all day long, and then say He doesn't exist, why is this?

I talk about myself all day because I know I exist. Simple.

It's bizarre responses like that cause threads to fade away.

I think this religion is worse:
http://www.eckankar.org/?gclid=CKjd0LuE5okCFR6UYAod9QteEg

Talk about complete insanity... :rolleyes:
And what kind of name is that!? So retarded.... :bugeye:

PS: I saw that link on the ads in this page. How ironic... :D

I think this religion is worse:
http://www.eckankar.org/?gclid=CKjd0LuE5okCFR6UYAod9QteEg

Talk about complete insanity... :rolleyes:
And what kind of name is that!? So retarded.... :bugeye:

PS: I saw that link on the ads in this page. How ironic... :D

It's like some weird twisted, version of Hinduism.

I wish this thread would answer that question. Unfortunatelty, so far, it has had too many useless posts.


Still... how can Islam be a religion of peace if so many verses in the Qu'ran urge people to fight and kill? Sounds kinda childish to me. Maybe Islam is outdated by a good few thousand years?

I wish I could see more peace...

The peace keeper troops of UN bring state of the art guns in their duties.
They are childish, aren't they? and outdated?

Ok, I have a dilemma trying to understand the ethical values of Islam...
Here's a Scenario I can't get my head round, can anyone help....

Allah comes to you in a dream and says to you, that I am going to punish you whether you like it or not... You have two options, you must choose one or Allah says he will give you the 3rd option...

Option #1 -

You live on a desert island inhabited with only Lesbians and Gays, and the only food available to eat is pork. There is no access to clean water, and you have to make your clothing out living area out of pigs bones and skin. You will live on this Island for eternity...

Option #2 -

You must live as a gay/lesbian regardless of your preference, and must have 100 gay/lesbian wives/husbands, who must sexually satisfy every day for eternity, the only food available to you is Pigs, and you must use Pigs Skin and bones for your clothing and accomodation..

Option #3 -

Hell.. For eterntiy.. the deepest darkest, most painfull depths, you will be punished every single day for eternity..

What would be the ethical choice is forced....

Hello all,
I hope everything is well. If anyone has questions pertaining to Islam, please inform me.
As far as your question Mr. Joe, Islam allows one to eat swine if there is a necessity, but only if anything else is not available.

Why do Muslims say that Allah is the same God as the God of the Bible when Allah was the Moon god of the Arabs for centuries leading up to Muhammed?

Why do Muslims say that Allah is the same God as the God of the Bible when Allah was the Moon god of the Arabs for centuries leading up to Muhammed?

Allah is the one and true God, the creator of all that exists.

Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds! 7:54

Well, the propaganda based programming kicked in alright.

Well, the propaganda based programming kicked in alright.

Welcome to the faith, brother.:D

Greetings all,

Islam is a religion, but not in the western meaning of religion. The western connotation of the term "religion" is something between the believer and God. Islam is a religion that organizes all aspects of life on both the individual and national levels.

Islam organizes your relations with God, with yourself, with your children, with your relatives, with your neighbor, with your guest, and with other brethren. Islam clearly establishes your duties and rights in all those relationships.

Islam establishes a clear system of worship, civil rights, laws of marriage and divorce, laws of inheritance, code of behavior, what not to drink, what to wear, and what not to wear, how to worship God, how to govern, the laws of war and peace, when to go to war, when to make peace, the law of economics, and the laws of buying and selling. Islam is a complete code of life.

Islam is not practiced in the mosque only, it is for daily life, a guide to life in all its aspects: socially, economically, and politically.

Islam is complete constitution. Thus Islam keeps the Muslim away from confusion, because Islam is logical and rational. Allah is one. Allah is one Allah has no sons. Allah is not associated with trinity. Allah does not kill to save. No mediation is required between Allah and man. Islam organizes human nature, but does not go against it. There is not a class of clergy in Islam; nor is there celibacy. Islam is complete way of human life.

Author : Dr.Muhammad Al Alkhuli
Source : Islamway

Greetings all,

Islam is a religion, but not in the western meaning of religion. The western connotation of the term "religion" is something between the believer and God. Islam is a religion that organizes all aspects of life on both the individual and national levels.

Islam organizes your relations with God, with yourself, with your children, with your relatives, with your neighbor, with your guest, and with other brethren. Islam clearly establishes your duties and rights in all those relationships.

Islam establishes a clear system of worship, civil rights, laws of marriage and divorce, laws of inheritance, code of behavior, what not to drink, what to wear, and what not to wear, how to worship God, how to govern, the laws of war and peace, when to go to war, when to make peace, the law of economics, and the laws of buying and selling. Islam is a complete code of life.

Islam is not practiced in the mosque only, it is for daily life, a guide to life in all its aspects: socially, economically, and politically.

Islam is complete constitution. Thus Islam keeps the Muslim away from confusion, because Islam is logical and rational. Allah is one. Allah is one Allah has no sons. Allah is not associated with trinity. Allah does not kill to save. No mediation is required between Allah and man. Islam organizes human nature, but does not go against it. There is not a class of clergy in Islam; nor is there celibacy. Islam is complete way of human life.

Author : Dr.Muhammad Al Alkhuli
Source : Islamway

And that, I submit, is rather the problem.

There is nothing logical about believing in a magical deity that exists somewhere beyond the clouds, and especially not one that first opines "oppression is worse than slaughter" and then goes on to mandate oppression. As well worship the Easter Bunny, frankly.

Greetings all,

The aim of this thread is to write the answers of the scholars about Islam. There must be threads which people can get benefit of. We have to tell each other about the information and the sites we have got benefit of. I notice that most of the threads discuss topics that they don't have knowledge about. In our life if we don't know something, we rely on experts. We believe what they say and follow the. Thus, in the field of health, we rely upon doctors; in matters of law upon lawyers and so forth. For religion, we need to ask scholars and write some of their work to know the right way to our God. Discussing with common people about religion is unreliable. In this matter, common people are guilty of strange errors in perception and judgment.


What is Islam?

[READ MORE] (http://www.muslim-answers.org/Introducing-Islam/7answers.htm)

If islam is the same divine truth as "revealed" to all these religious characters, why does it diverge so strongly from them? Why are they considered with such scorn by islam?

Very often one will hear the Arabic word "Allah" being used in regards to Islam. The word "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for Almighty God, and is the same word used by Arabic speaking Christians and Jews. If one were to pick up an Arabic translation of the Bible, one would see the word "Allah" being use where the word "God" is used in English. Actually, the Arabic word for Almighty God, "Allah", is quite similar to the word for God in other Semitic languages — for example, the Hebrew word for God is "Elah".
I recall reading somewhere that the word ALLAH is actually two words - AL meaning 'The'...and LAH meaning 'God'.

True?

Discussing with common people about religion is unreliable. In this matter, common people are guilty of strange errors in perception and judgment.

And Mohammed was a common person. Placing trust in so-called "scholars" of not so ancient stories used to control your life is a strange error in judgement.

Greetings all,

The aim of this thread is to write the answers of the scholars about Islam. There must be threads which people can get benefit of. We have to tell each other about the information and the sites we have got benefit of. I notice that most of the threads discuss topics that they don't have knowledge about. In our life if we don't know something, we rely on experts. We believe what they say and follow the. Thus, in the field of health, we rely upon doctors; in matters of law upon lawyers and so forth. For religion, we need to ask scholars and write some of their work to know the right way to our God. Discussing with common people about religion is unreliable. In this matter, common people are guilty of strange errors in perception and judgment.


What is Islam?

Thanks for providing propaganda, but I think you'll find many threads here explaining what Islam really is.

If islam is the same divine truth as "revealed" to all these religious characters, why does it diverge so strongly from them? Why are they considered with such scorn by islam?

GeoffP, I answered your question but it was deleted, so I'll write it again.

A brief history of the prophets might clear the point for you.

The first human, Adam, followed Islam, in that he directed worship to God alone and none else and abided by His commandments.

[READ MORE] (http://www.islamhouse.com/en/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=131)

Thanks for providing propaganda, but I think you'll find many threads here explaining what Islam really is.


I am not providing a propaganda but I am trying to show the truth of Islam which has been portrayed to be something that it is not by the media of the West.

My apologies nature, I misspoke myself: what I mean is, if all the People of the Book are worshipping the same god, why does islam say that they have strayed? Why does it consider Judaism and Christianity with scorn?

all i know is that the koran implies that if your not a muslim you should be a jew or a chriastian

all i know is that the koran implies that if your not a muslim you should be a jew or a chriastian

That's true. Muslims may only marry people who believe in a monotheistic religion.

Rather, muslim men may only marry non-muslim women who believe in a monotheistic religion. Muslim women are not allowed to marry non-muslim men of any religion. "Take ye not as protectors".

My apologies nature, I misspoke myself: what I mean is, if all the People of the Book are worshipping the same god, why does islam say that they have strayed? Why does it consider Judaism and Christianity with scorn?



Jews and Christians are much closer to Muslims than idolaters but some of the people of the book deviated from the right path.
The Glorious Qur’an is accurate and fair in addressing the People of the Book and that it neither ignores the virtues of the righteous and fair-minded ones amongst them, nor disregards the crookedness of those who are wicked and unfaithful. In this connection, the Glorious Qur’an unequivocally proclaims:

"Not all of them are alike: of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (for the right); they rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: they are in the ranks of the righteous. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knows well those that do right" (Al `Imran: 113-115).

When the Glorious Qur’an depicts the People of the Book as “believers” or “Muslims,” it is referring to those who believed in the Prophet of their time as long as there were no other Prophets sent by Allah during their lifetime. Also, in this context, it refers to those who believed in their Prophet, and then they believed in the next Prophet when he was sent to them. In contrast, those who believed in a Prophet and disbelieved in the former or the latter prophets are not believers.
In Islam those who passed away before the mission of Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) while believing in their Prophets, would be rewarded by Allah the Almighty, according to the Qur’anic verse that reads:

"Those who believe (in the Qur’an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians, any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord: on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve" (Al-Baqarah: 62).

Moreover, those who believed in their Prophet as well as in Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) shall have a double reward with Allah the Most High, as the Qur’an says:

"O you who believe! Fear Allah, and believe in His Messenger, and He will bestow on you a double portion of His Mercy: He will provide for you a Light by which you shall walk (straight in your path), and He will forgive you (your past): for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful" (Al-Hadid: 28).

Who is Muhammad?

[READ MORE] (http://www.muslim-answers.org/Introducing-Islam/7answers.htm)

But Islam contradicts both the Old and New Testaments, so it never was rooted in them.

Mohammed was jealous of the Jews and Christians, so he invented an Arab religion. He's no different that Joseph Smith (Mormonism), or L. Ron Hubbard(Scientology).

I would like to hear about Mohammed in your own words, not cut and pasted from your masters.

Additionally, Allah was one of 360 pre-Islamic Arab gods, so he obviously can't be the Creator God of the Old and New Testaments.

Like Christianity and Judaism, it was compiled from diverse sources, hence the contradictions. Many of other religions usurped the ideas from previous ones, Islam is no different. Islam was borrowed, in some cases word for word, from the Jews.

Jews and Christians are much closer to Muslims than idolaters but some of the people of the book deviated from the right path.
The Glorious Qur’an is accurate and fair in addressing the People of the Book and that it neither ignores the virtues of the righteous and fair-minded ones amongst them, nor disregards the crookedness of those who are wicked and unfaithful. In this connection, the Glorious Qur’an unequivocally proclaims:

"Not all of them are alike: of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (for the right); they rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: they are in the ranks of the righteous. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knows well those that do right" (Al `Imran: 113-115).

But, as you point out:

When the Glorious Qur’an depicts the People of the Book as “believers” or “Muslims,” it is referring to those who believed in the Prophet of their time as long as there were no other Prophets sent by Allah during their lifetime. Also, in this context, it refers to those who believed in their Prophet, and then they believed in the next Prophet when he was sent to them. In contrast, those who believed in a Prophet and disbelieved in the former or the latter prophets are not believers.

In other words, Christians and Jews who don't believe in Mohammed are not "believers" and therefore the nice parts of Al Imran don't apply to them. So Christians and Jews are good, and non-deviant...so long as they're not really Christians or Jews.

:rolleyes:

Nature, I deleted your more recent post. It was obvious proselytizing, which isn't welcome. The title of the thread is "essentials" of Islam and the Religion Subforum of a science board isn't the place to preach your superstition to the infidels. Sorry. Find another place.

In this forum, we should focus on critical review of religious issues and how they affect science and science policy more than "why my religion is right." Following that same grain, perhaps the threads that go on about "how your religion is BS" should be filtered as well.

Regardless, there are plenty of places on the internet where you can preach your superstitions. In this place, lets look at how religion and science affect each other.

Greetings SkinWalker,

The only reason for deleting my post is because it shows the truth of Islam from authentic sources. Believe me you can delete posts but you can’t delete this religion because it is the plan of Allah that Islam will prevail over all religions and Islam will be the “Religion of Future” because it is the “Religion of Allah” and “Religion of Nature”.

You wrote:
The title of the thread is "essentials" of Islam and the Religion Subforum of a science board isn't the place to preach your superstition to the infidels. Sorry. Find another place.

Comment:
The title of the thread was “Questions and answers about Islam” but you deleted. You have to know that the questions and answers I have posted are the essentials of Islam.

You wrote:
In this place, let’s look at how religion and science affect each other.

Comment:

Great scientists have been affected by the Qura’n and this religion. The Qur’an draws attention to a wide range of physical phenomena in order to teach moral lessons. The statements were not meant to teach science. Yet modern scientists are amazed at the accuracy of these statements. For example, the Qur’an said things about the growth and development of the human embryo which could not be studied without the use of a microscope. Dr. Keith Moore was professor and chairman of the Department of Anatomy at the University of Toronto. After reviewing the Qur’anic statements he said: "I am amazed at the accuracy of these statements which were already made in the 7th century AD." Such knowledge in the Qur’an points to God as its source.

May Allah guide you to the right path.

The Essentials of Islam today, and the essentials of Islam during the time of Mohammed are worlds apart. The post from Nature is, unfortunately, the typical response from Muslims. The Qur’an says at the Chapter “Family of Imran” verses 52-53, around that area, that “Jesus asked who would help him, and his apostles said they would help for they believed in God, and were those who submit.” In many chapters in the Koran it says the Bible is a book divinely inspired, one instance “Family of Imran” verse 1, where it says that those who follow the Bible are blessed. The Qur’an even says that “Muslims believe in the Bible, all of it, and the Christians say “We believe too” but when the Christians are alone they bite their fingers in rage.“ That was in the early years of Islam, but today Muslims don’t believe in the Bible any more. As already pointed out by Nature: Islam means to submit. Jesus submitted, and so did the apostles, and Jesus said he would build his church on Peter, but never once does any Muslim mention Peter is one of the believers of the Quran when it finally came, like they say of Jesus. After all Peter submitted too, so then he is a Muslim, and yet he is a Christian too. We saw in Family of Imran verses 52-53 that Peter, in fact all the apostles are implied, but Muslims ignore their own Holy Book once again. It is a sad state of affairs that I have never found one scholar of Islam has ever applied the principles of the Qur’an into their investigations, and I have talked to hundreds of them. Shouldn’t we conclude that there are no scholars of Islam out there, even though thousands of them claim to be Islamic scholars? Jesus said by their fruit you will know them. Excuse my repeating myself, but I think it should be well noted that today Muslim scholars say the Bible is false, and they come up with dozens of excuses to say so, but the Qur’an time, and again says those so called Islamic scholars are wrong. The prophet Mohammed said that a day would come when the Devil took over Islam. Doesn’t it look like that day has finally come?

Great scientists have been affected by the Qura’n and this religion. The Qur’an draws attention to a wide range of physical phenomena in order to teach moral lessons. ...
I've heard that before, but there is no evidence of it.

Great scientists have been affected by the Qura’n and this religion. The Qur’an draws attention to a wide range of physical phenomena in order to teach moral lessons. The statements were not meant to teach science. Yet modern scientists are amazed at the accuracy of these statements. For example, the Qur’an said things about the growth and development of the human embryo which could not be studied without the use of a microscope. Dr. Keith Moore was professor and chairman of the Department of Anatomy at the University of Toronto. After reviewing the Qur’anic statements he said: "I am amazed at the accuracy of these statements which were already made in the 7th century AD." Such knowledge in the Qur’an points to God as its source.

First off, I've met Keith Moore and he's a git. Total plank.

Secondly, I've reviewed all this "Quranic science" nonsense and that's what it is: nonsense. The claims add up to simple observation and a slippery interpretation of the text. One person told me that one "miraculous observation in the Quran" was the fact that wood burned, which I hasten to point out was known for some time prior to Mohammed's life. If you have specific examples, please present them; otherwise I shall have to ask you why Mohammed thought it was medically sound to dip flies into his food, which I believe is a hadith.

Thanks bro nature for your insight.

The Essentials of Islam today, and the essentials of Islam during the time of Mohammed are worlds apart. The post from Nature is, unfortunately, the typical response from Muslims.

Islam is based on the life of the Prophet (peace be to him) and cannot be separated from his life. Most of the people on this forum who argue about Islam have elementary level knowledge at best. There cannot be a proper debate until people actually learn about Islam.

The Qur’an says at the Chapter “Family of Imran” verses 52-53, around that area, that “Jesus asked who would help him, and his apostles said they would help for they believed in God, and were those who submit.”

3:49. "And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "'I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah.s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah.s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;

50. "'(I have come to you), to attest the Law which was before me. And to make lawful to you part of what was (Before) forbidden to you; I have come to you with a Sign from your Lord. So fear Allah, and obey me.

51. "'It is Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord; then worship Him. This is a Way that is straight.'"

52. When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah." Said the disciples: "We are Allah's helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.

53. "Our Lord! we believe in what Thou hast revealed, and we follow the Messenger. then write us down among those who bear witness."

In many chapters in the Koran it says the Bible is a book divinely inspired, one instance “Family of Imran” verse 1, where it says that those who follow the Bible are blessed.

Actually the verse is Surat Ali Imran 3: ayat 3

3:3. It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

This is referring to the uncorrupted Torat and Injeel, the earlier books. Muslims believe these two books were changed and this is why a new message and book were necessary, the Quran. This book confirms the original message.

The Qur’an even says that “Muslims believe in the Bible, all of it, and the Christians say “We believe too” but when the Christians are alone they bite their fingers in rage.“

This is completely fabricated.

That was in the early years of Islam, but today Muslims don’t believe in the Bible any more.

The original Injeel (Gospel) was changed and translated from its original language. The original Aramaic book is lost. Islam was the religion of all the Prophets including Jesus (peace be to him)

As already pointed out by Nature: Islam means to submit. Jesus submitted, and so did the apostles, and Jesus said he would build his church on Peter, but never once does any Muslim mention Peter is one of the believers of the Quran when it finally came, like they say of Jesus. After all Peter submitted too, so then he is a Muslim, and yet he is a Christian too. We saw in Family of Imran verses 52-53 that Peter, in fact all the apostles are implied, but Muslims ignore their own Holy Book once again.

You are correct in that Islam means to submit to God and Prophet Jesus (peace be to him) and his disciples (may they rest in peace) were practitioners of Islam.

Here you are trying to imply a contradiction, I don't see your reasoning.

It is a sad state of affairs that I have never found one scholar of Islam has ever applied the principles of the Qur’an into their investigations, and I have talked to hundreds of them. Shouldn’t we conclude that there are no scholars of Islam out there, even though thousands of them claim to be Islamic scholars?

This is purely a matter of personal view.

Jesus said by their fruit you will know them. Excuse my repeating myself, but I think it should be well noted that today Muslim scholars say the Bible is false, and they come up with dozens of excuses to say so, but the Qur’an time, and again says those so called Islamic scholars are wrong.

The current Bible is wrongly attributed to the Messiah Jesus (peace be to him). This is a corrupted book with numerous additions and omissions written by many different authors.

The prophet Mohammed said that a day would come when the Devil took over Islam. Doesn’t it look like that day has finally come?

Completely fabricated. The noble Prophet (peace be to him) never said that.


I've heard that before, but there is no evidence of it.

Fetal development http://www.imanway.com/en/archive/index.php/t-931.html

The benefits of Olive Oil http://www.imanway.com/en/archive/index.php/t-1579.html

Muslim belief in the Big Bang Theory http://www.imanway.com/en/archive/index.php/t-3168.html

More Proofs http://www.islam-guide.com/


One person told me that one "miraculous observation in the Quran" was the fact that wood burned, which I hasten to point out was known for some time prior to Mohammed's life.

Another fabrication.

Much of the misinformation about Islam is attributable to these fabrications.


If you have specific examples, please present them; otherwise I shall have to ask you why Mohammed thought it was medically sound to dip flies into his food, which I believe is a hadith.

http://www.islamonline.net/English/HadithAndItsSciences/HadithAndScience/2005/03/03.shtml

There cannot be a proper debate until people actually learn about Islam.
I disagree. While learning something about the origins of Islam is important, knowing everything about it is unnecessary. Indeed, Muslims deliberately make that difficult by saying that only the original Arabic can express it's true meaning. BS is BS. Larger volumes of BS are still BS. Knowing Islam from a Muslim point of view is just accepting the intricate apologetics of Muslim scholars, not really learning more about Islam.

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There cannot be a proper debate until people actually learn about Islam.

Interesting position. Can you personally then not debate other religions, or science, or Westernism until you learn something about it? Can you take the shahada in all confidence without knowing anything about Christianity, which it is meant to refute? Can you as a muslim denounce secularism without knowing anything about atheism or agnosticism?

This is referring to the uncorrupted Torat and Injeel, the earlier books. Muslims believe these two books were changed and this is why a new message and book were necessary, the Quran. This book confirms the original message.

But, of course, there is no evidence that either were in fact corrupted by anything. In fact, translations of the Greek seem to bear out the originals. I appreciate that this is more an act of faith than fact for you, but I think it should be expressly stated that this is your opinion.

The original Injeel (Gospel) was changed and translated from its original language. The original Aramaic book is lost. Islam was the religion of all the Prophets including Jesus (peace be to him)

In your opinion; reliquary fragments appear quite close to the present Biblical text. Surprisingly, however, there is some evidence to suggest that the Quran may have been changed, probably during the caliphate of Umar. (Maybe that's why no one liked him? No idea.)

You are correct in that Islam means to submit to God and Prophet Jesus (peace be to him) and his disciples (may they rest in peace) were practitioners of Islam.

Yet the Quran mentions nothing of Peter, who was obviously instrumental in the faith of this God fellow. Surely you don't imply that Peter isn't present in the Greek translation? DH, I can honestly say that I'd have more faith in an actually written down translation than in something preserved as spoken memory and in bits and scraps here and there.

The current Bible is wrongly attributed to the Messiah Jesus (peace be to him). This is a corrupted book with numerous additions and omissions written by many different authors.

Again, your position appears to be a matter of opinion. Do you have evidence of this? I've seen the present versions and the translations from Greek and they seem quite close to me. Do you have evidence of the actual message being corrupted somehow?

Fetal development http://www.imanway.com/en/archive/index.php/t-931.html

The benefits of Olive Oil http://www.imanway.com/en/archive/index.php/t-1579.html

Muslim belief in the Big Bang Theory http://www.imanway.com/en/archive/index.php/t-3168.html

More Proofs http://www.islam-guide.com/

"Proofs" would be an inaccurate statement here, I'm afraid. What you are referring to is called "evidence", rather. I will review it - with a critical eye, I'm afraid.

Another fabrication.

Well, you'd have to tell the coreligionist of yours I heard from. I think it's a bit harsh to say that he fabricated it per se, but as you like. I was similarly doubtful about it, as you might guess.

Much of the misinformation about Islam is attributable to these fabrications.

It sort of depends on what you mean by "misinformation". Most people are not critical of islam for the above reasons, but rather for its treatment of religious minorities, apostates and homosexuals - treatment which, in the case of apostates, I understand you agree most wholeheartedly. You can see why people are, therefore, critical.

All right, so let's start with the "Human Development" issue:

First off, the area where the quote is cited is very general, and incorrect in several areas. Firstly, the sun is not a "lamp" (Q 71:16), but rather a glowing ball of burning gas, and there are no "seven heavens" (Q 71: 15).

[35:11] And Allah created you from dust, then from a drop, and then he made you pairs (male and female).

This is actually also incorrect. Male and female both originate from more ancestral primates, but here Mohammed is seemingly saying that humans originated via special creation which, as we know, is false.

"[75:37] Was he (man) not a drop of semen emitted?"

Actually, my translation (Pickthall) says:

75: 37 Was he not a drop of fluid which gushed forth?

It doesn't refer to semen, and given the usage in Sura 74 suggests water. This also is incorrect. In this then, it matches precisely with Q 86: 6, and with Q 76: 2, although the latter refers to a "thickened" fluid. Yet, it does not say "sperm"; neither does it say "fertilization of sperm and egg".


"[32:8] Then He (Allah) made his (Adam's) progeny from a quintessence of a despised liquid."

Actually my copy says:

Q 32: 8 Then He made his seed from a draught of despised liquid.

Now this is in fact quite striking. It refers to the notion that humans are in fact Allah's seed, which is to say - if we take your site's version - his offspring. I assume that islam, which refutes the placing of gods aside Allah, does not really entail such a belief? Yet it's the literal reading, which does raise some questions. Too the idea that the liquid is "despised" - the site says it's presumed to come from the urethra, which is the same place as urine. Yet is the text then implying that Allah has a penis? Surely not.

[75:37-38] Was he (man) not a drop of semen emitted? Then he did become something leech-like which clings...

My copy says of 75: 37-39:

Q 75: 37 Was he not a drop of fluid which gushed forth?
Q 75: 38 Then he became a clot; then (Allah) shaped and fashioned
Q 75: 39 And made of him a pair, male and female.

Yet, an embryo is not a clot. Nor are individual humans split into male and female. The passage, therefore, is clearly metaphorical in nature and derived from a somewhat deviant reading of a book of the Pentateuch - for individual human embryos do not themselves split into male and female beings in any way. The "leech" comment, thus, is out of place: yet it would be abundantly clear to anyone having done an autopsy of a dead animal or seen or heard of the birth of a child that a prepartum mammal "clings", leechlike to the uterine wall of its mother. This, I would think, would be abundant knowledge in the period - Mohammed, as - I believe - a camel merchant would almost certainly have had first hand knowledge of this, as any dairy farmer might. No one really needed to be told the reason for spontaneous bovine abortion even in the Dark Ages; it was simply that the fetus failed to "cling", "leechlike", to its mother. Old hat, not revelation.

[23:14] ...We made the drop into an ALAQAH (leech-like structure), and then We changed the ALAQAH into a MUDGHAH (chewed-like substance), then We changed the MUDGHAH into IDHAAM (bones, skeleton), then We clothed the IDHAAM with LAHM (flesh, muscles), then We caused him to grow and come into being as another creation.
[22:5] ...We created you out of dust, then out of a drop, then out of a MUDGHAH, partly formed and partly unformed...

The second stage describes the embryo as evolving into a MUDGHAH which means something which has been chewed (especially a piece of meat), or which has the appearance of having been chewed. This seemingly crude description is in fact quite accurate: after the fertilized egg lodges itself in the uterus, it begins to receive its first nutrients and energy from its mother. Consequently, it begins to grow especially rapidly, and after a week or two it looks like a ragged piece of meat to the naked eye. This effect is enhanced by the development of small buds and protrusions which will eventually grow into complete organs and limbs.

This is ridiculous. Limb buds and eye buds would not in any way "enhance" the supposed appearance of an early development fetus to a piece of "chewed meat", which it very frankly does not look like in any way. It would be an extraordinarily dull mind which took such a comparison as literally correct. The fetus, if it appears as anything, appears fishlike or batrachian, which is what sponsored the entire debate about ontogeny recapitulating phylogeny.

The next two stages described in verse [23:14] tell of bones being made from the MUDGHAH, followed by the "clothing" of the bones with flesh or muscles.

I regret to say that this association is merely fortuitous. Naturally, the skeleton would be expected to develop first since it is in the corpus interior, and since it supports the rest of the body. This would have also been quite apparent even in Mohammed's period.

I think that essentially wraps up the "Development" argument. I'll deal with the others sequentially starting tomorrow.

Since the Quran says the Bible was valid when Mohammed was dictated the verses by the angel Gabriel, and there are copies today of the same Bible when those Qur’anic verses were given, then one only needs to take those copies of the Bible, and reprint them. In fact that has been done. Not only that, but recent archeological discoveries have given us a New Testament (NT) that is as good as the original found in Greek. The original NT was in Greek, not Aramaic. Jesus, and the disciples spoke Aramaic, but the original NT was written in Greek because the Bible was to be given to the gentiles, and back then Greek was the predominate language in the gentile world when Jesus ascended to heaven. Even the Aramaic OT was translated into Greek, and that all happened before the Qur’an.

All over the Internet can be found the saying of Mohammed that a time will come when Muslims are taken over by the Devil. That does not mean all Muslims, but most will be taken by the Devil. Even the Qur’an says the same for not only Muslims, but a day will come for most of the entire world where the Devil controls them. Shouldn’t Muslims believe in the Qur’an, and not deny it? If they would accept the Qur’an they might have a chance to stand against the Devil.

Jesus came to give the Jews a chance to come to the truth by appearing among them as one of their own. Like blacks want to only follow a black leader, and women want a woman leader, and Arabs want an Arab leader, and so on, then Jesus came appearing as a Jew, but beyond that limited show of love for one race, Peter proves that the real intent of Jesus was to give the NT to the world, or gentiles whether the Jews ever accepted Jesus, or not. That is why the Church, and even the Mosque are to be built upon Peter, for Peter submits to God. Christianity is universal therefore it must include the Qur’an, and it does. The Greek NT only needs to be accurately translated into English. If the Qur’an, and the discoveries about the pure NT are accepted, then Muslims will have to accept the NT is accurate, and then study the NT, and learn how to verify what the Qur’an says about the NT, which means applying the scientific method. By not applying scientific methods we have the mess found today in the Islamic world where the Qur’an says one thing, but Muslims go against it. Isn’t that what the devil would like to see?

Peter says to desire what turns out to be the Qur’an at 1 Peter 2:2 "As newborn babes, desire the milk of the word without guile, (Greek "Adolon" means without guile), that you may grow thereby." The NT was already with the early Christians, so it was nothing to desire, instead Peter is talking about the future. There are other verses spoken by Peter, Acts 3:18-26, that proves the Qur’an will come, and in the Gospel of John, there is told of the Spirit of Truth to yet come, which is Mohammed, which all together proves the NT is full of trickery, but the Qur‘an is not. Because the NT is full of trickery, that leads to a quick belief by Muslims that the NT is corrupted, which then leads Muslims to do what should make one shudder: They deny the Qur’an by saying the NT, Injeel, was lost, or is very impure. However, the Qur’an says the NT is fine, and will bring Christians to God, if followed properly. One trick of the NT is to make Jesus look like God, when he is not, and another is to make Jesus look crucified, when he was not, which easily explains why Muslims think the NT is false. This is the age of science, and the age of reason, shouldn’t the age of denial be put to an end? When I have more than 20 posts I will give the web site where the deeper truths on the NT, OT, and Qur’an are shown to logically be working together to support one another, which can bring world peace. Wouldn’t we say that is what the Devil would hate to be found out?

Greetings SkinWalker,

The only reason for deleting my post is because it shows the truth of Islam from authentic sources.

Or... he might have deleted your post because it was copy/pasted from other sites and is, thus, considered propaganda by the forum rules.

I was a bit pissed he deleted it myself since I was just about to point out your theft of another site's work. The page you stole the post from was here: http://www.fatwa-online.com/aboutislaam/0020224_07.htm

Post #81 was stolen from here: http://www.muslim-answers.org/Introducing-Islam/7answers.htm

Post #86 was stolen from here: http://www.islamhouse.com/en/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=131

Post #94 was also stolen from the same site as #81: http://www.muslim-answers.org/Introducing-Islam/7answers.htm

Believe me you can delete posts but you can’t delete this religion because it is the plan of Allah that Islam will prevail over all religions and Islam will be the “Religion of Future” because it is the “Religion of Allah” and “Religion of Nature”.

This is the same line of reasoning that is driving Islamist terrorists to kill others, because they think their god wants it done. Let me ask you: what is to happen to those of us that are simply too reasoned and unencumbered by superstitious and magical thought to accept your religious cult? Do you accept us for who we are and live in peace with the atheists that view your cult as a superstition?

Comment:
The title of the thread was “Questions and answers about Islam” but you deleted. You have to know that the questions and answers I have posted are the essentials of Islam.

Skin let most of your preaching stay. He should have deleted it all. Each of your posts is preaching, propaganda and copy/pasting all of which are violations of the posted rules.

Great scientists have been affected by the Qura’n and this religion. The Qur’an draws attention to a wide range of physical phenomena in order to teach moral lessons. The statements were not meant to teach science. Yet modern scientists are amazed at the accuracy of these statements. For example, the Qur’an said things about the growth and development of the human embryo which could not be studied without the use of a microscope. Dr. Keith Moore was professor and chairman of the Department of Anatomy at the University of Toronto. After reviewing the Qur’anic statements he said: "I am amazed at the accuracy of these statements which were already made in the 7th century AD." Such knowledge in the Qur’an points to God as its source.

A quote which you completely and utterly stole from: http://www.islaminfo.com/new/detail.asp?ID=1 (point #6).

What are we, then, to make of you, Nature? A thief? What does your silly book of mythology say about thieves?

May Allah guide you to the right path.
You would have to demonstrate your silly god to actually exist first before it would be capable of guiding anyone more capably than Obi Wan Kenobi.

Greetings ylooshi,

I really feel pity for you. Your problem (most of you) is that you don’t read. If you read, you don’t understand. If you understand, you don’t apply what you have understood.

Read the beginning of my post. I wrote:

The aim of this thread is to write the answers of the scholars about Islam. There must be threads which people can get benefit of. We have to tell each other about the information and the sites we have got benefit of.
So, if you concentrate well in reading, you will know that I am writing the answers of the scholars not my answers. If you know the rules of this forum, you will realize that I can’t write the links until I have more than 20 posts.

I also feel pity for you because you don’t concentrate on the core of the subject. When you can’t respond to the answers of the scholars, your only response that you can write is that you say don’t cut and paste. So, this is the response of the one who can’t refute the answers of the scholars.

May Allah guide you to the right path.

I really feel pity for you nature when presented with counter arguments you can only regurgitate what someone else has spoonfed you.

May FSM guide you to the right path.

I really feel pity for you nature when presented with counter arguments you can only regurgitate what someone else has spoonfed you.

May FSM guide you to the right path.

Again Sock puppet path, this is the response of the one who can't refute the answers of the scholars. I hope you concentrate on the core of the subject and write something beneficial.

Greetings all,

One of the essentials of Islam is that the creator in Islam is neither a man, nor an animal or a plant or also an idol or statue of any kind, because none of these mentioned can create itself or causes anything. Certainly, He must be different from His creation. Reason tells us that the maker must be greater than the things which he makes. Hence, enlightened men recognize the Creator and call Him Allah.

Allah says:
"Say (O Muhammad): He is Allah, (the) One. Allah-us-Samad (the Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drink. He begets not, nor was He begotten. And there is none coequal or comparable unto Him." [112:1-4]

I really feel pity for you. Your problem (most of you) is that you don’t read.
And your problem is that you don't READ THE RULES!
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=34473
Especially no. 11.

The aim of this thread is to write the answers of the scholars about Islam.
No it isn't:
So for this thread I'm hoping someone will offer to add some summaries and some reference links covering the facts of Islam. No preaching or debate just the facts please.
straight from the first post.

There must be threads which people can get benefit of. We have to tell each other about the information and the sites we have got benefit of.
So just post the links instead of parroting someone else's words. Those interested will go look.

So, if you concentrate well in reading, you will know that I am writing the answers of the scholars not my answers.
Summaries and references were asked for - not cut-and-pasted chunks wholesale.

I also feel pity for you because you don’t concentrate on the core of the subject.
The CORE of the subject is that you offer nothing other a regurgitation of someone else's work.

When you can’t respond to the answers of the scholars, your only response that you can write is that you say don’t cut and paste. So, this is the response of the one who can’t refute the answers of the scholars.

It's not a question of responding to and/or refuting the answers: read the rules. Sock is just pointing out that you're ignoring the rules.

Or... he might have deleted your post because it was copy/pasted from other sites and is, thus, considered propaganda by the forum rules.

I was a bit pissed he deleted it myself since I was just about to point out your theft of another site's work. The page you stole the post from was here: http://www.fatwa-online.com/aboutislaam/0020224_07.htm

Post #81 was stolen from here: http://www.muslim-answers.org/Introducing-Islam/7answers.htm

Actually, Nature did include some links, but, as he pointed out, he doesn't/didn't have 20 min posts to leave them. So in most cases the posts weren't theft. Though they were in some since he didn't leave a source.

Either way, they violate copy/paste & propaganda rules, so I deleted the text & left links for readers.

@ Nature, Please take the time to read the forum rules & adhere to them. We don't do large copy/pastes from other sites. I accept some of the responsibility since I moved your initial OP to this thread. But lets try to keep your work original all the same. Anyone can copy/paste from another site.

Danross, who is myself, has talked to hundreds of scholars of Islam, including those who speak many languages, but they will never enter into a dialogue with him that extends more than five minutes, or two emails at most. danross has read probably more than Nature has on Islam, therefore he is more qualified to discuss the subject. The quote of Nature “If you read, you don’t understand. If you understand, you don’t apply what you have understood.” has a similarity found in the Qur’an, chapter 7, verse 179, which is a repeat of what Jesus said , who quoted Isaiah: Matthew 13:14-15 "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says: `Hearing you will hear and shall not understand, and seeing you will see and not perceive; for the heart of this people has grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, lest they should understand with their heart and turn, so that I should heal them.' “

However, Jesus said this to his close disciples, those who submit: Matthew 13:16 "But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear;” Jesus also taught reincarnation, and logically since he did so, then reincarnation must also be found in the Qur’an, where it can be found in several places, but then one can not be unperceiving. That lengthy subject must be delayed until a link can be shown. I will post this comment here, and then come back an hour, or two, or more from now, and post how to find in the NT the simple fact that Jesus was not crucified. We must be scientific, using methods like a CSI team applies in a twisted, and macabre crime scene in order to find the truth. How to do so will be shown to you.

Again Sock puppet path, this is the response of the one who can't refute the answers of the scholars. I hope you concentrate on the core of the subject and write something beneficial.

No this is the response of one who has seen this before. Every so often a new poster shows up who is ignorant of the threads we have had about and debunking the "scientific miracles of the quran" and they proceed to post the same stuff anew with the same old claims, weblinks and all. I have used time answering these claims before as have many others and I feel no need to go through it again just because some new spambot shows up.

Danross, who is myself
Why do you feel the need to refer to yourself in the third person?

One of the essentials of Islam is that the creator in Islam is neither a man, nor an animal or a plant or also an idol or statue of any kind, because none of these mentioned can create itself or causes anything. Certainly, He must be different from His creation. Reason tells us that the maker must be greater than the things which he makes.

Who says anything was created by any maker? Why not thousands of makers? Or two: Ahriman and Angra Mainyu, for example. Or Myuu, even.

Oli, to answer your question. Due to reincarnation, we have been called so many different names over our many different lives, some of success, and others average or failures, that I wish to simply make a note that due to being still considered a nobody in this life, when I was a somebody many times before, where in some of the past lives I was not questioned, and what I said simply was accepted as the truth, even if it was a lie, that I must in a way apologize to the reader for not having yet been able to prove my worth so far today. So I say, DanRoss, who is myself. What if I could prove to you I was the apostle Peter in one life, and the Hidden Imam in the next, and so forth, where 95% of Sciforums accepted it as true? I could then speak in the first person all of the time. I offer this as no proof to his worth, only that this is his answer to your question.

I hope you're happy Oli.

Due to reincarnation
Reincarnation is unfounded speculation without a speck of evidence.
What if I could prove to you I was the apostle Peter in one life
Prove it? Ha ha. Delusion.


Sock - not really. Damn.

Greetings danross, hope you and your family are well and prosperous,

Spidergoat, who is me, appreciates you speaking about Islam in your own words. Many Muslims spidergoat has encountered here only use quotes, as if individual judgement was prohibited. Spidergoat too believes in reincarnation, but no soul. We are made of atoms that go back to the Earth upon our death, and are incorporated again into other living things. Furthermore, our culture passes down from generation to generation, so in this sense reincarnation is very real.

Spidergoat believes Mohammed wanted a religion for the Arabs, and used the Bible as a source of legitimacy. Like Joseph Smith who invented Mormonism, he too was illiterate, and dictated his largely borrowed text to others. One would think that God could choose a messenger that could write, or at least teach Mohammed the skill.

That the words of the Koran are the result of human invention is made clear when Mohammed decided to allow certian tribes to continue their pagan rituals for political reasons, then later retracted them and said they were inspired by satan. Certianly, God could have prevented his messenger from being possessed by demons.

Oli, to answer your question. Due to reincarnation, we have been called so many different names over our many different lives,

Full stop. You'll have to demonstrate or recant this bit of fantasy first before anything you say is really worth listening to.

There are many verses in the OT, and NT that talk of Mohammed. Here is one from the OT. Isaiah 28: 9-13 “Whom will he teach knowledge? and whom will he make to understand the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just drawn from the breasts? (This implies a simple type of people some call “camel jockeys.”) For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little. (The Qur’an was given pieces at a time, over about 20 years) For with stammering lips and another tongue (Mohammed spoke Arabic, not Aramaic, Hebrew, Latin or Greek) He will speak to this people, to whom He said, "This is the rest with which you may cause the weary to rest,'' And, "This is the refreshing''; yet they (Most Christians, and Jews) would not hear. But the word of the Lord was to them, "Precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, there a little,'' that they (Christian and Jew) might go and fall backward, and be broken and snared and caught. ( and so Islam fights even today against Christian, and Jew.)

If we will read the history of the Qur’an, and compare it to Isaiah above, we will find the OT gives a splendid account of that future book. That proves the worth of both the OT, and Qur’an, or at least it should make one wonder. Maybe this person writing this should have 21 posts, so a link can be inserted, as the proof on Jesus not being crucified in the NT is longer than he thought, about two pages long.

Geoff does not understand why spidergoat speaks only in third person.

Interesting position. Can you personally then not debate other religions, or science, or Westernism until you learn something about it? Can you take the shahada in all confidence without knowing anything about Christianity, which it is meant to refute? Can you as a muslim denounce secularism without knowing anything about atheism or agnosticism?

Geoff you must have had a serious grin in amusement after chastising the man in this first paragraph.

But, of course, there is no evidence that either were in fact corrupted by anything. In fact, translations of the Greek seem to bear out the originals. I appreciate that this is more an act of faith than fact for you, but I think it should be expressly stated that this is your opinion.

I find it hard to believe that you treated seriously his belief system here. No matter how foolish it is.


In your opinion; reliquary fragments appear quite close to the present Biblical text. Surprisingly, however, there is some evidence to suggest that the Quran may have been changed, probably during the caliphate of Umar. (Maybe that's why no one liked him? No idea.)

I should check that one out. Do you know if it was Umar who responsible for the change?

Why just the other day I was talkin' to sock puppet path and he said....

Geoff you must have had a serious grin in amusement after chastising the man in this first paragraph.

Nothing like a well-placed, crippling blow which leaves your opponent in agony. Unless it's money.

I find it hard to believe that you treated seriously his belief system here. No matter how foolish it is.

Well, the fact of the matter is that I did and do. I just think his criticisms of other religions, given the case of islamic theology, is silly. He's welcome to believe as he likes, however.

I should check that one out. Do you know if it was Umar who responsible for the change?

I believe it was under his authority. Check it out on wiki; there was also a German archaeological team that found some old Qurans that apparently didn't match the present ones. Apparently you have to bury or burn a Quran; you can't merely throw it away.

Greetings Spidergoat,

Excuse this delayed response. The same sentiments are echoed back to you, and your heirs.

It can not be said that your ideas on reincarnation are defective, since some in esoteric spiritual science, for example, Max Heindel of the Rosicrucian Fellowship, who is supported by many in the Theosophical Society, states that for most of humanity their soul is as good as destroyed, which in the final end is identical to not having a soul, or not acquiring one. Those two organizations support, and are authorities on Islam, at least that is found true after one learns to read "between the lines." Part of their secret mumbo jumbo. I draw a good deal of my deeper material on Islam from those people.

This is written in this manner to help foment a battle of semantics, as previously proven by the use of the third, and first person in one sentence all referring to myself. This author’s first amendment right, as long as I, he, she, we do not transgress the policies of the SciForums, which all are bound by in this limited arena, which limits should be expanded to encompass the world.

There is also mention of losing a soul in Acts 3:23 “And it shall come to pass that every soul who will not hear that Prophet (I agree with Muslim scholars who say that is Mohammed: Deuteronomy 18:18) shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.“

Did you actually say anything in that post?
Other than:
It can not be said that your ideas on reincarnation are defective which is patently untrue.
Reincarnation is not a given, it is not a fact, so ideas on the subject can be said to be defective.
and:
at least that is found true after one learns to read "between the lines."
if you read "correctly" between the lines any source can be shown to support any doctrine. Spurious nonsense.

danross:

...eh? :confused:

Where is Nature? Verses from the Qur’an were previously shown, Chapter, Imran, verses 1-3, that proved that at one time Muslims accepted the Injeel, NT and OT. Those verses do not conclude saying that “in the future a day will come when the copies of the Book of the people of Book that were once accepted by Muslims will be destroyed, where not one good complete copy can be found, so that even the Injeel is totally lost, and all that come after are false.” Many verses from other chapters in the Quran can be sited that are similar to Imran, 1-3, still you will never find one verse saying the Injeel is false, or even that only portions of the Injeel were preserved, so that today‘s Injeel contains some of the true Injeel, but most of it is falsified. The Qur’an says that it is best not to accept certain ideas in the NT, or Injeel, like do not say Jesus is God, or God is one of a Trinity, which implies that certain ideas are a test from Satan, testing mankind, but the Qur’an never once says the NT is false.

This Sciforum member must conclude, just as much as he would hope this were not true, that most of the Muslim world are like the savant in the story “Rain Man.” Many so called Muslims can memorize a good number of things, and appear brilliant, even becoming scholars, but practically speaking they are a nuisance to themselves, and to the rest of mankind: those who can think in a practical manner. The rain man was confined, and placed as ward of a guardian. I contend that one billion Muslims should be treated similarly, unless any one of them can prove to be different.

This is a repeat so that a so called Muslim does not have to go back to the top to reread this article. If not one sect of Islam can see the obvious told here concerning the purity of the NT, that such purity is here with us today, which is backed up by the Qur’an, then they are a menace to the free world. Since they do not follow the Qur’an they do no submit, therefore they are not Muslims. They also prove they are illogical, and should be placed in confinement. Say like Mormons live mostly in Utah, pass a law that those who act like Muslims today are to be confined to Saudi Arabia, or Iran, and so on. Let no such mentally defective Muslim be allowed to walk freely in the western civilized world, unless accompanied by a guardian, who can think logically.

This person, danross, was informed that judgments are allowed at SciForums. The above is my unfortunate judgment passed upon so call Muslims. The author of this article is not maligning so called Muslims, any more than Rain Man was maligned when he was placed under confinement, a ward of the state.

Hi Oli, at least half of the world, about 4 billion people, believe in reincarnation. Some recall their past lives. What is your defense? Is it: If a billion flies eat “s***” that does not mean you will eat it too? Are you a Muslim Oli?

Where is Nature? Verses from the Qur’an were previously shown, Chapter, Imran, verses 1-3, that proved that at one time Muslims accepted the Injeel, NT and OT.
Proved? By your interpretation of 3 lines? No.
but practically speaking they are a nuisance to themselves, and to the rest of mankind: those who can think in a practical manner. The rain man was confined, and placed as ward of a guardian. I contend that one billion Muslims should be treated similarly, unless any one of them can prove to be different.
Marvellously stated. And I so loved the absolute proof and the supporting evidence that you provided . Oh wait, you didn't.
If not one sect of Islam can see the obvious told here concerning the purity of the NT, that such purity is here with us today, which is backed up by the Qur’an, then they are a menace to the free world.
If it's "obvious" why would you need to point it out? Provide evidence.
They also prove they are illogical, and should be placed in confinement.
Illogical? How do they differ from you? Only in the flavour of illogicality.
Let no such mentally defective Muslim be allowed to walk freely in the western civilized world, unless accompanied by a guardian, who can think logically.
Define "mentally defective". From a non-theist perspective. Otherwise you're tarred with the same brush. Go join your fellows.
This person, danross, was informed that judgments are allowed at SciForums. The above is my unfortunate judgment passed upon so call Muslims. The author of this article is not maligning so called Muslims, any more than Rain Man was maligned when he was placed under confinement, a ward of the state.
Other than stating they are mentally defective, illogical , and can't see your convoluted "thought processes", you mean.
Hi Oli, at least half of the world, about 4 billion people, believe in reincarnation.
With no evidence. Which makes them all rather illogical, don't you think?
Some recall their past lives.
Untrue. They CLAIM to do so.
What is your defense?
Defence? Against what? Stupidity and/ or mass delusion?
Are you a Muslim Oli?
Another assumption?

"This person, danross..."

You are danross. Why danross talk in third person? This person, Geoff, does not understand. Don't make me get Myuu.

It looks like there is only danross interested in discussing Islam. Nature has fled, frightened I guess by reality, and Oli seems not interested in Islam, but more in taking out of context things that one says so the sane looks insane, making Oli most likely to be a retired editor for the news media, maybe Newsweek, Time magazine, or the Washington Post?

*edges nervously away from the thread*

It looks like there is only danross...
And still with the pseudo-mystical third person references. A boring, hackneyed third-rate B-movie SF ploy. YOU have an identity, regardless of "past names". Since you can register whatever user name you wish then why didn't you register under the name of your idenitity?
...interested in discussing Islam.
Discussing Islam or making unsupported statements?
Nature has fled, frightened I guess by reality
Or maybe bored out his wits, too busy, any of a number of things.
and Oli seems not interested in Islam
Another ridiculous assumption on your part. I'm interested in everything.
but more in taking out of context things
Out of context? I respond to your unsupported statements as they are presented. You still have to back any one of them up.
that one says so the sane looks insane
You're claiming to be sane now? Bet you can't support that statement.
making Oli most likely to be a retired editor for the news media, maybe Newsweek, Time magazine, or the Washington Post?
You see, one fallacious assumption after another. Here's a hint, check my profile - I live in the UK. I don't think I've even read any of those publications, let alone edited them.

If you truly are interested in discussing anything then please do so. First give your proofs or supporting evidence for your claims and we can proceed from there. Otherwise forget about it.

Oli, please,
In the post of danross it said that there was no verse in the Qur'an that says the Injeel is falsified. Therefore all one needs do is show one verse that proves danross wrong to prove him wrong. Please pay attention: How can anyone, even Oli, prove that the Injeel is false when no verse exist in the Qur'an. You can not quote what does not exist. Yet Oli wants me to quote that which can not be found, no matter how hard one looks. Logic, simply use logic.

Here is what happened to danross recently, after trying to find someone that wished to discuss Islam, and not just discuss their petty egos, but more petty egos were found. This came from following a link shown at Sciforums. Here is the letter to askIslam to report ChatIslam:

I joined the chat room called ChatIslam.com, and the lecturer was a person who I could not see on the monitor, but only heard his lecture. Many people came and left while I tried to listen to the speech which was heavily accented in a southern, USA afro pronunciation. I thought that might prove others had a hard time understanding him. During the speech I made a short comment that the afro accent makes it hard to understand the lecture. Then a person, called Monitor D began to insult me. Called me a racists, and on, and on. I said Presidential candidate Jesse Jackson had the same communication problem, but the next time he went to run for President, after losing, that I could finally understand what he was saying because he got speech lessons on pronunciation for Anglo Saxon speech patterns. Those are facts, not racists comments. I told monitor D that if the lecture was in Japanese, that I would ask it to be in English, and that does not make me a racists. Monitor D would never stop insulting me, and finally he blocked me from the chat room after I told him I would report him for his hateful conduct.

I asked him to stop writing me, so I could ask the question I came there to ask, but he kept popping up, always insulting me, until he band me from the session.

This happened on Sunday June 3, 2007 around 10:10 AM.

Hope you can help that person.

God bless you, As salamu alikum

Dan Ross

Greetings, Oh Pretentious One.
Still you fail to answer anything.
Yet Oli wants me to quote that which can not be found, no matter how hard one looks. Logic, simply use logic.

No, I want you back up your assertions. I didn't say anything about the Injeel, you are confused.
I want you to prove your interpretation. For example,
Here is one from the OT. Isaiah 28: 9-13 “Whom will he teach knowledge? and whom will he make to understand the message? Those just weaned from milk? Those just drawn from the breasts? (This implies a simple type of people some call “camel jockeys.”)
No, it implies (or states) CHILDREN. But you for some reason seem to think otherwise. Why?

What does a lengthy post on someone's inability to understand a regional accent have to do with the topic at hand?
Other than a deflection from the fact that you still haven't supported any of your assertions?

As salamu alikum
Ashkirk, Ana la tet kalam al Arabiah.

Greetings all,

One of the essentials of Islam is that the creator in Islam is neither a man, nor an animal or a plant or also an idol or statue of any kind, because none of these mentioned can create itself or causes anything. Certainly, He must be different from His creation. Reason tells us that the maker must be greater than the things which he makes. Hence, enlightened men recognize the Creator and call Him Allah.

To begin from a position of that which has yet to demonstrate itself beyond myth, adding more assumptions, and then proclaim that reason leads you to arrive at an absolute conclusion for which only the 'enlightened' may claim, does not preclude the fact that any such whimsical fairy tale one may entertain be equally valid.

I am not providing a propaganda but I am trying to show the truth of Islam which has been portrayed to be something that it is not by the media of the West.

No, what you are showing is the propagandized version of Islam, not to be confused with the actual practices.

The NT makes the same claim the Qur’an does on the invisible traits of God, as seen above in the quote from Nature, posted by Encephalonean, which proves the NT is true: Romans 1:20-23 “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man (Jesus is a man) and birds and four-footed beasts and creeping things…. who exchanged the truth of God for the LIE, and worshiped and served the creature (worshipped Jesus) rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.”

Paul told the truth above, saying fools will exchange the truth of God for a lie, and follow the lie. Then soon after Paul proves what he said earlier by actually telling a lie, and the fools will believe it: Romans 3:4. “ Certainly not! Indeed, let God be true but every man a LIAR. As it is written: "That You may be justified in Your words, and may overcome when You are judged.'' (Paul is a man.)

Then again Romans 3:7 “For if the truth of God has increased through my LIE to His glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner? (He warned the reader a second time.)

Then Paul takes verses out of context, which means he builds a foundation to support his LIES: Romans 3:10 “ As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one; there is none who understands; there is none who seeks after God.”(Paul warned the reader a third time that what follows is a lie.)

Jesus seeks for God, and so does Peter, also Mohammed, and millions of others seek for God, therefore Paul, to those who can reason, is obviously lying, but the fools, billions of them, for about 2000 years so far, fell for the lie, and can not think like a scientist, not even remotely. Once Paul has proven he will lie, thereafter Paul will teach Jesus was crucified, when he was not, and teach that Jesus is God, when he is not, and teach that your sins are forgiven by believing in Jesus, when they are not, and Paul will teach many other lies. If only Muslims would apply logic, and read the NT, they would see the Qur’an told them not to believe these lies. The Qur’an and Bible work together to show the truth, if only one would read, and would use logic. If they did, world peace could come, but so far all I find are fools, or jokesters who like to play games.

The NT makes the same claim the Qur’an does on the invisible traits of God, as seen above in the quote from Nature, posted by Encephalonean, which proves the NT is true
So two sources agreeing mean proof? How many physics books do you need to "prove" that the creation myth is wrong?

If only Muslims would apply logic, and read the NT, they would see the Qur’an told them not to believe these lies. The Qur’an and Bible work together to show the truth, if only one would read, and would use logic.
Your logic resides on your interpretation. Again, how many