The Duggars (http://www.jimbob.info/) are a family of Mom, Dad, and 16+ kids. None adopted. I know the female body was not designed to give birth to a litter (like septuplets) but what about being pregnant every year. I'm horrified and I don't know why.

Families used to be that big. The Duggars have responsible well behaved children. They are debt free. They aren't hurting anyone.

Why am I horrified??? :shrug:

Maybe you are projecting it on yourself ?

You're probably horrified because the kids are responsible and well behaved ....that's something that's just not tolerated anymore!

Baron Max

Because its not something I would do? I would LOVE to have a big family, I came from one. And maybe that's why.
The oldest were babysitters. We were always cleaning house and doing chores. We never had money for fun stuff..like real cereal. It just didn't seem like a fun childhood.

But I look at Michelle Duggar and I think 'puppy mill'

Because its not something I would do? I would LOVE to have a big family, I came from one. And maybe that's why.
The oldest were babysitters. We were always cleaning house and doing chores. We never had money for fun stuff..like real cereal. It just didn't seem like a fun childhood.

But I look at Michelle Duggar and I think 'puppy mill'

Thats what i meant, you are horrified when you think of going through labor 16 times. Not to meantion what it does to the human body. Couldnt that be it ?

But what does it do to her body? Is it ok to have child after child after child? Does it age her and give her a shorter life span?

Al i know is that it cant be good on the body to be a baby-machine(:p).

Hotdog in a hallway :fright:

It is horrifying, perhaps because it's usually some Christian kooks that think they're doing God's will.

The Duggars (http://www.jimbob.info/) are a family of Mom, Dad, and 16+ kids. None adopted. I know the female body was not designed to give birth to a litter (like septuplets) but what about being pregnant every year. I'm horrified and I don't know why.

Families used to be that big. The Duggars have responsible well behaved children. They are debt free. They aren't hurting anyone.

Why am I horrified??? :shrug:

Because, this shit:

http://raw360.com/media/1/20051017-duggarfamily.jpg


just ain't right.
It's so Village of the Damned!
Plus, mom and dad are some uuuugly people. If MIlla jojovich had 12 kids, it would be a different matter. But who wants them fracking up the gene pool with their butt-ugly phenotype?

And that pic is missing the baby girl she's pregnant with in that pic and the current baby she's pregnant with.

I know they are against birth control, saying they are 'pro-life' (read the link) But what's wrong with condoms??

Its gonna be a hell of a culture shock when those kids get out of the matching outfits and into the big wide world.

Ugly? really?

I mean they dress like Amish outcasts, but i wouldn't say ugly...perhaps a bit too clean cut etc.

nietzsche:
http://www.southheightsbaptist.com/JimBob&Michelle.jpg

No. That's just fugly, even by MIdwestern standards.

I'm against the death penalty, but I'll make an exception in this case.

family album (http://www.jimbob.info/photos1.html)
I don't agree.

what do their looks have to do with anything anyways?
And the death penalty??? why?

Their looks? Basic eugenics. Ugly people should not reproduce unless they have some awesome intelligence.
I'm sorry, I live in Michigan, we get some rather bland, pudgy people up here, but those people are way below our average.

Although some of those kids might turn out okay lookin.

Thats what i meant, you are horrified when you think of going through labor 16 times. Not to meantion what it does to the human body. Couldnt that be it ?

It is for me when I read through that link.

Not to mention the feeling of horror of seeing each child dressed the same as their parents, with the same hairstyles and their names.. well that needs to be seen to be believed:

To date they have been blessed with 16 children, (10 boys and 6 girls) Joshua, Jana & John-David (twins), Jill, Jessa, Jinger, Joseph, Josiah, Joy-Anna, Jedidiah & Jeremiah (twins), Jason, James, Justin, Jackson, Johannah (& Jennifer due July 28, 2007).
http://www.jimbob.info/aboutus.html


It would appear they never got past the letter "J" in the alphabet.

*Shudders*

I have two little boys and as much as I adore them with every fibre of my being, the thought of having 14 more like them makes me want to fling myself into molten lava.

family album (http://www.jimbob.info/photos1.html)
I don't agree.

what do their looks have to do with anything anyways?
And the death penalty??? why?

For having too many children, it's child abuse. The parents should go to jail and the kids should all be sent to foster homes.

For having too many children, it's child abuse. The parents should go to jail and the kids should all be sent to foster homes.

Some people should not even have ONE.:)

They've gotta be mormon!

~String

Nope, not Mormon. But that's what creeped me out. There's a passage from 2 Corinthians. And the guy is named Jim Bob. Really, I try to suppress this part of my bigotries, but the sense of horror, for me, is the reminder that it's the low end of the gene pool reproducing so irresponsibly.

Its also very ignorant of the current environmental conditions and overcrowding of the world in general. It should be a crime against mankind and nature.

Really, I try to suppress this part of my bigotries, but the sense of horror, for me, is the reminder that it's the low end of the gene pool reproducing so irresponsibly.

This is also true, often.

They've gotta be mormon!

~String

i take offence to that actually!!!

people had to have big families years ago, because the child death rate was high and anyway they are well behaved, they are well looked after, they are NOT a drain on your ever so hard done by welfare system, the perants obvisouly love them, they look brilliant, why cant they do what they want and have has many children has they want as long has they are looking after them it shouldnt be any of our business

and the human body can go through multiple labours before it breaks down, and for the person who said the death penalty, GET REAL!!! death for having a big family, come back Hitler all is forgiven!!

It's a horror because it's incredibly irresponsible.

My first reaction is that they're unhappy and using their kids to get attention.

If they have absolutely no problem, financially, emotionally, etc...taking care of that many children, then that's even worse. As there's probably a million starving, homeless children out there that would love to live in a creepy Oklahoma Baptist household with a name that starts with a 'J'.

It's a horror because it's incredibly irresponsible.

My first reaction is that they're unhappy and using their kids to get attention.

If they have absolutely no problem, financially, emotionally, etc...taking care of that many children, then that's even worse. As there's probably a million starving, homeless children out there that would love to live in a creepy Oklahoma Baptist household with a name that starts with a 'J'.

i dont think they're unhappy, anyway them adopting 2/3 children from a third world country will not deal with the problem of starving children, i just think people are bitter because they are debt free and the kids are well behaved

Wow, I was appalled that this couple had this many children and keeps on doing it, but I never realized some people would be so viciously angry.

overpopulating the planet?? Strain on natural resources?? yeah, I don't think so.
The kids are well behaved, they look like a loving family, BUT.....do some people collect kids the way some collect animals?

Wow, I was appalled that this couple had this many children and keeps on doing it, but I never realized some people would be so viciously angry.

overpopulating the planet?? Strain on natural resources?? yeah, I don't think so.
The kids are well behaved, they look like a loving family, BUT.....do some people collect kids the way some collect animals?

I do think so.
What if everybody chooses to have a family like that ?
Dont you think the birth limitations in China have some sort of purpose ?

they don't live in China

Its no one's business if the children are healthy and well cared for.

they don't live in China

Thats not the point. What if everybody starts having such large families ? Do you think there will be enough food around ? What about the economy ? Not to speak of the impact on the environment. More forests will be cut to build more houses etc etc
Really think about it, its irresponsible.

Thats not the point. What if everybody starts having such large families ? Do you think there will be enough food around ? What about the economy ? Not to speak of the impact on the environment. More forests will be cut to build more houses etc etc
Really think about it, its irresponsible.

ok then, what about years ago when big families were a must? where did the food come from then, my cousion is from a big family he has 7 brothers and sister so there is 8 all together, my mum also from a very big family 10 altogether, and what of the economy? we would work around the situation, there will be more farm yards, more live stock and if we just built (in uk) social housing then there will be plenty of housing, if the estate agents werent so greedy there will be plenty of places to live.

they look like a loving family to me:

http://www.ruggedelegantliving.com/a/images/Duggar.Family.of.18.jpg

ok then, what about years ago when big families were a must? where did the food come from then, my cousion is from a big family he has 7 brothers and sister so there is 8 all together, my mum also from a very big family 10 altogether, and what of the economy? we would work around the situation, there will be more farm yards, more live stock and if we just built (in uk) social housing then there will be plenty of housing, if the estate agents werent so greedy there will be plenty of places to live.

Are you disputing the world population is growing fast ?

Year.....................1750...1800...1850...1900 ...1950...1999.....2050....2150
World population..791.....978....1,262...1,650...2,521.. 5,978...8,909...9,746
in millions ofcourse

So what year are you talking about ? The 50's ?

Thing is that the planet could probably support about 50 billion of us. It's one of the reasons I never drew close to the International Socialist Organization. The guy pitching to me--and a nice guy at that--simply couldn't grasp the idea that even Socialists don't want to live that way.

Imagine all those blocks of highrise flats. And even leftists like to drive. And watch TV. And use the internet. And all sorts of other things that create pollution. We might be able to manage the wheat and the housing arrangements, but really, nobody wants to live that way.

Oh yes it's a crime against humanity, that means thousands in India and Africa should also be accountable to these new Spidergoat statutes (Death for bearing too much life). How fucked up is that?

i dont think they're unhappy, anyway them adopting 2/3 children from a third world country will not deal with the problem of starving children, i just think people are bitter because they are debt free and the kids are well behaved

But adopting would relieve the problems for that third world kid, which is worth it, if you really have no problem with taking care of 16 children.

My wife and I aren't going to have a kid amongst many reasons but one is that there really isn't a point. We don't care about passing on our family name to our offspring, there isn't a farm to take care of, we're happy with just the two of us...

When you get married, society pressures women to fit into the sex-role sterotype to have children. A married couple, together are pressured to fit into "prescribed parenthood" as well. It was an understood thing years ago and even still today (though not as much) that when you meet someone and decide to get married, the next logical step is to have kids.

It's great that these people are able to care properly for 16 kids. But I find it ethically irresponsible. They were opening themselves up to a HUGE batch of trouble. The only information we know about this family is what the post on their website and I highly doubt they would ever say anything slightly displeasing about their family.

I also don't like how they're exploiting their kids as well. Like I said, it's a way for them to get attention.

Oh yes it's a crime against humanity, that means thousands in India and Africa should also be accountable to these new Enmos statutes (Death for bearing too much life). How fucked up is that?

Where did i ever say i wanted them dead :confused:
Im just saying that its irresponsible to have so many children.

But adopting would relieve the problems for that third world kid, which is worth it, if you really have no problem with taking care of 16 children.

My wife and I aren't going to have a kid amongst many reasons but one is that there really isn't a point. We don't care about passing on our family name to our offspring, there isn't a farm to take care of, we're happy with just the two of us...

When you get married, society pressures women to fit into the sex-role sterotype to have children. A married couple, together are pressured to fit into "prescribed parenthood" as well. It was an understood thing years ago and even still today (though not as much) that when you meet someone and decide to get married, the next logical step is to have kids.

It's great that these people are able to care properly for 16 kids. But I find it ethically irresponsible. They were opening themselves up to a HUGE batch of trouble. The only information we know about this family is what the post on their website and I highly doubt they would ever say anything slightly displeasing about their family.

I also don't like how they're exploiting their kids as well. Like I said, it's a way for them to get attention.

I bet they are living off child support.

nietzsche:
http://www.southheightsbaptist.com/JimBob&Michelle.jpg

No. That's just fugly, even by MIdwestern standards.


its not nice to insult people behind there backs when they cannot defend themselves. especialy when its something as shallow as calling them ugly. people cant help the way they look naturally. some people might find you ugly.

its kind of childish to diss people for how they look, like making fun of people who are dissabled or who are dissfigured, they cant help being ugly as much as people born with 2 heads cant help that shit.

peace.

its not nice to insult people behind there backs when they cannot defend themselves. especialy when its something as shallow as calling them ugly. people cant help the way they look naturally. some people might find you ugly.

its kind of childish to diss people for how they look, like making fun of people who are dissabled or who are dissfigured, they cant help being ugly as much as people born with 2 heads cant help that shit.

peace.

Yes, it really pisses me off when people are targeted or derided for circumstances over which they have very little or no control. Humor is different but derision of this kind can be crippling.:mad:

I bet they are living off child support.

I bet they recieve some sort of "help", legally.

According to their website they're both real estate agents, so you can assume they make decent pay.

But even so, what if one of them lost their job? Or worst case scenario, the mom dies giving birth (unlikely odds, at this point!).

16 mouths to feed.

And then, you and I will be paying to help take care of 16 children. People in the neighborhood will have to help find clothes to care for 16 kids.

I'm sure they can just get more advertising and press from cable networks to help pay for their dumb decisions.

It's just flat out unnecessary and irresponsible.

its not nice to insult people behind there backs when they cannot defend themselves

Technically, you have a point. To the other, though, they made an evangelical point of themselves. It's hard to imagine that people wouldn't have opinions about it. And it's probably harder to believe people wouldn't talk about it.

It would seem to defeat the purpose of putting up a web page if people weren't supposed to see it and react in some way.

It's not so much the cost of celebrity, but rather the point of inserting oneself into the public sphere.

I bet they recieve some sort of "help", legally.

According to their website they're both real estate agents, so you can assume they make decent pay.

But even so, what if one of them lost their job? Or worst case scenario, the mom dies giving birth (unlikely odds, at this point!).

16 mouths to feed.

And then, you and I will be paying to help take care of 16 children. People in the neighborhood will have to help find clothes to care for 16 kids.

I'm sure they can just get more advertising and press from cable networks to help pay for their dumb decisions.

It's just flat out unnecessary and irresponsible.

If the parents died, it should be the society's responsibility to help, surely?

Or are they less eligible for being healthy and close by ? Are the starving orphans in Africa more eligible?

How very strange.

If the parents died, it should be the society's responsibility to help, surely?

Or are they less eligible for being healthy and close by ? Are the starving orphans in Africa more eligible?

How very strange.

The tragedy of having to take care of 16 parentless kids is no good, regardless of where you are.

This family had control over how many kids they have. They procreated with reckless abandon.

The ignorant individual in Africa who isn't aware of "not having sex" or even worse, is raped; these kids are not as easily preventable.

So then yes, the orphans in Africa are more eligible because their situation is more dire.

The tragedy of having to take care of 16 parentless kids is no good, regardless of where you are.

This family had control over how many kids they have. They procreated with reckless abandon.

The ignorant individual in Africa who isn't aware of "not having sex" or even worse, is raped; these kids are not as easily preventable.

So then yes, the orphans in Africa are more eligible because their situation is more dire.

And the children are less eligible because the parents were irresponsible? :confused:

And the children are less eligible because the parents were irresponsible? :confused:


The children are the parents responsibility. If the parents were irresponsible and out of that the children suffer then that weight falls on the parents. All children in need should get what they require, but with a family like this I have less sympathy for them because of how flagrant they are with having kids. It's a setup for a big let-down. Less sympathy = less urge to help.

I'm sure with 16 children they have planned for the future. It would be irresponsible for them not to and they don't seen irresponsible to me. (crazy, yes) The kids are all educated, all play the violin, all do chores so they have a good work ethic, both parents work, and the dad was a state rep (pension??).

Why the hostility and anger towards them? You're seriously pissed off about how they are draining the planet's resources? They have more sex than you? They're Christians?

I bet they are living off child support.

i bet they're not!!

people are just sour!! they say that they have no bebts and tehy own they're ownhouse, they work, and they are feeding the kids themselfs, who's business is it anyway how many kids they have?

you need to go out and see all the young girls who are having 5 - 6 children all by differant fathers and who are not looking after them and are living of your ever so hard done by welfare system, then say they are the ones who are getting child support, for christ sake the Queen was entitled to child benefit!! say somthing to her!!

i am really disapointed with the people who are saying, they need to bring back the death penalty, she should be sterlized, didnt hitler say those things aswell?? and he was MAD!!!

Are you disputing the world population is growing fast ?

Year.....................1750...1800...1850...1900 ...1950...1999.....2050....2150
World population..791.....978....1,262...1,650...2,521.. 5,978...8,909...9,746
in millions ofcourse

So what year are you talking about ? The 50's ?

no i am not desputing that fact at all, just that big families were a must for the family to carry on. what would people be saying if this woman fell pregnant 4 times with twins or even more??

why aren't people pissed off at infertile couples who don't adopt but have IVF and then have 6 kids at one time? They rush out to help then and donate like crazy.

The Duggars are debt free and doing it on their own.

why aren't people pissed off at infertile couples who don't adopt but have IVF and then have 6 kids at one time? They rush out to help then and donate like crazy.

The Duggars are debt free and doing it on their own.

because some people have double standards, "its ok for that group because they are trying to have children" while "its not ok for that family because they are church goers"??

Hmm maybe we should ban all research on longevity and chronic diseases and refuse treatment to anyone who is over a certain age; bet that would bring down the population real quick. :)

Hmm maybe we should ban all research on longevity and chronic diseases and refuse treatment to anyone who is over a certain age; bet that would bring down the population real quick. :)

Or quit trying to save all the 2 lb premies, or anyone who has overdosed, or crashed for drunk driving or...

Hmm maybe we should ban all research on longevity and chronic diseases and refuse treatment to anyone who is over a certain age; bet that would bring down the population real quick. :)

:bravo:

Hmm maybe we should ban all research on longevity and chronic diseases and refuse treatment to anyone who is over a certain age; bet that would bring down the population real quick. :)

In the same vein, we should ration food to all planetarians (ie earthlings) to avoid waste, those who use more should be heavily fined or forced to do manual labor as community service (that would take care of the illegal immigrants).

Of course, I humbly suggest I should be elected Queen Poohbah and put in charge of all this tediuos work. :D

In the same vein, we should ration food to all planetarians (ie earthlings) to avoid waste, those who use more should be heavily fined.

Of course, I humbly suggest I should be elected Queen Poohbah and put in charge of all this tediuos work. :D

shall we just go the whole hog and refuse ill children food that would cut down the population, no actually i have a better idea, lets not send food to hospitals so all the sick andinfirm people can die, lowering the population.

shall we just go the whole hog and refuse ill children food that would cut down the population, no actually i have a better idea, lets not send food to hospitals so all the sick andinfirm people can die, lowering the population.

Hospitals? Whats that? :confused: :D

Hospitals? Whats that? :confused: :D

where sick people get better!!

http://www.wales.nhs.uk/sites3/documents/79/Royal_Gwent_2.jpg

why aren't people pissed off at infertile couples who don't adopt but have IVF and then have 6 kids at one time? They rush out to help then and donate like crazy.

The Duggars are debt free and doing it on their own.

Pissed at both.

where sick people get better!!


sounds like a complete waste of resources

*writes "abolish hospitals" on to do list*

I'm sure with 16 children they have planned for the future. It would be irresponsible for them not to and they don't seen irresponsible to me. (crazy, yes) The kids are all educated, all play the violin, all do chores so they have a good work ethic, both parents work, and the dad was a state rep (pension??).

Yes, they seem like a nice happy family, but even with a family with 3 kids there is so much fighting, bickering, arguing, which is just inherent in children, and even in a reasonable sized family of 5, the kids are vying for their parents attention and acknowledgement.

Multiply that by 5.

I truly don't see how 2 parents can satisfy the emotional needs of 16 kids. It's impossible. The parents are not raising their kids, their siblings are raising them and that isn't healthy. That's what I disagree with and see as irresponsible. Just being able to financially provide for your family obviously isn't all there is to being a parent.

Why the hostility and anger towards them? You're seriously pissed off about how they are draining the planet's resources? They have more sex than you? They're Christians?

I'm not jealous of them at all because honestly, I have everything they have except the 16 kids. In fact I pity them because of that. It's not a religious thing or a waste of resources thing, I just think they're irresponsible to their childrens needs.

Yes, they seem like a nice happy family, but even with a family with 3 kids there is so much fighting, bickering, arguing, which is just inherent in children, and even in a reasonable sized family of 5, the kids are vying for their parents attention and acknowledgement.

Multiply that by 5.

I truly don't see how 2 parents can satisfy the emotional needs of 16 kids. It's impossible. The parents are not raising their kids, their siblings are raising them and that isn't healthy. That's what I disagree with and see as irresponsible. Just being able to financially provide for your family obviously isn't all there is to being a parent.



I'm not jealous of them at all because honestly, I have everything they have except the 16 kids. In fact I pity them because of that. It's not a religious thing or a waste of resources thing, I just think they're irresponsible to their childrens needs.

why? when they're children are not going without anything? they wear nice clothes, they have a mum and dad who love them dearly, they look really great, and they seem happy

sounds like a complete waste of resources

*writes "abolish hospitals" on to do list*

yep, total waste of resources!!

I like big families; they are fun and you don't fight as much as you do when there are only a couple of children. Children are less lonely, more capable of social interaction. Also children in bigger families are less selfish, more cooperative and sharing in nature and also more mature and responsible. They also waste less and tend to be frugal and hard working (all those chores!)

They seem to be able to take care of themselves, the Mrs can be a human factory if she likes, as long as it doesn't inconvenience the rest of us.

I must say though that the pic on the first page is extremely bland...I hope they update their childrens' clothes with ohh I don't know...some colour? And using the same first initial for all the kids is so 50 years ago :)

If there's time to take trips and post pics on a family website...well whatever floats the houseboat...

Where did i ever say i wanted them dead :confused:
Im just saying that its irresponsible to have so many children.

Ops it was spider goat...sorry!
I will edit

no i am not desputing that fact at all, just that big families were a must for the family to carry on. what would people be saying if this woman fell pregnant 4 times with twins or even more??

That was THEN, this is NOW. Big difference, i can understand how it was neccesary in the past. And the environmental issues werent around then either. They should no better now.

I would say nothing about a woman giving birth to 2 triplets, but four twins ? You should know when to stop.
If we ever get to vote on birth restriction ill vote for it. Thats all im saying.

you need to go out and see all the young girls who are having 5 - 6 children all by differant fathers and who are not looking after them and are living of your ever so hard done by welfare system, then say they are the ones who are getting child support, for christ sake the Queen was entitled to child benefit!! say somthing to her!!

I would, its the same thing.


i am really disapointed with the people who are saying, they need to bring back the death penalty, she should be sterlized, didnt hitler say those things aswell?? and he was MAD!!!

Did i say that ? I think not!

Hmm maybe we should ban all research on longevity and chronic diseases and refuse treatment to anyone who is over a certain age; bet that would bring down the population real quick. :)

Good idea!
Or maybe we could do away with mankind altogether, even better. :p

That was THEN, this is NOW. Big difference, i can understand how it was neccesary in the past. And the environmental issues werent around then either. They should no better now.

I would say nothing about a woman giving birth to 2 triplets, but four twins ? You should know when to stop.
If we ever get to vote on birth restriction ill vote for it. Thats all im saying.

then your has bad or worse than hitler himself was. why arent people having a rant at the people who will dumb baby girls in the side of the road in china?

http://www.drabruzzi.com/images/China_Dead_Baby_and_Children.jpg

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b148adc3258.htm

Or quit trying to save all the 2 lb premies, or anyone who has overdosed, or crashed for drunk driving or...

Fine ideas, does that make me right wing ? :rolleyes:

Fine ideas, does that make me right wing ? :rolleyes:

nope it makes you "hitler"

Ops it was spider goat...sorry!
I will edit

No problem.

then your has bad or worse than hitler himself was. why arent people having a rant at the people who will dumb baby girls in the side of the road in china?

http://www.drabruzzi.com/images/China_Dead_Baby_and_Children.jpg

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b148adc3258.htm

Do you seriously think i like that happening !?
Something has to be done, dont you see there is a problem ?

And you better take that stuff about hitler back :mad:

Sure it isnt OUR problem, we'll be long dead. But our children will suffer for our stupidity.

Do you seriously think i like that happening !?
Something has to be done, dont you see there is a problem ?

And you better take that stuff about hitler back :mad:

not taking anything back!!!

its not nice to insult people behind there backs when they cannot defend themselves. especialy when its something as shallow as calling them ugly. people cant help the way they look naturally. some people might find you ugly.

its kind of childish to diss people for how they look, like making fun of people who are dissabled or who are dissfigured, they cant help being ugly as much as people born with 2 heads cant help that shit.

peace.

it's also kind of childish whn u rite like dis and wont spell or capitalize proparly.

I'm talking about basic genetics. Open up a book on the subject sometime.

why? when they're children are not going without anything? they wear nice clothes, they have a mum and dad who love them dearly, they look really great, and they seem happy

Again, material things do not make people happy.

All of us are basing our opinions off of THEIR website. For all we know they've had 53 kids so far and the rest were sold into slavery. They look so lovely, I know, but visit their house on a normal hecktic stress-filled weekday and you'll see differently.

I think it's ridiculious that you have to take a test and fill out paperwork to drive a car. You have to fill out paperwork and give info to vote. You have to get a background check, paperwork and interviews to get a job, BUT, you want to bring a fucking HUMAN LIFE into this world, HAVE AT IT! Heck, have as many as you want! You can beat them in your basement, go to jail, get out, and have more! Are you a loser piece of shit? Want a kid? Here you go, I'll make your awful relationship even better and force your boyfriend to stay with you!

It's stupid.

Are you a loser piece of shit? Want a kid? Here you go, I'll make your awful relationship even better and force your boyfriend to stay with you!

It's stupid.

That's why we need child support reform, better access to birth control, and a humane eugenics program.

Out of curiosity how many only children here?

That's why we need child support reform, better access to birth control, and a humane eugenics program.

How can you get better access to birth control? Door-to-door in the mail? Condoms are practically everywhere you go.

But you're right, I think education is the biggest factor involved. Education on consequences and responsibility.

How can you get better access to birth control? Door-to-door in the mail? Condoms are practically everywhere you go.

But you're right, I think education is the biggest factor involved. Education on consequences and responsibility.

Ok, i will agree with that. But in the long run there will have to be taken more dramatic measures wether we like it or not.

I was thinking for other countries. And look at what the conservatives have done to sex education in America. I know 22 year old girls - granted, not especially smart ones - who think that the morning-after pill causes abortion.

What people miss is that those giant third world families? They don't leave as much of an ecological footprint as a giant family - or even a family with three kids - does in the first world countries.

The first world countries, that's where child support and welfare reform comes in. I work with a girl who basically has the government paying her rent, and why? Because she has a kid.

Ok, i will agree with that. But in the long run there will have to be taken more dramatic measures wether we like it or not.

Never fear, there's always Moloch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch)

Tophet is Moloch, which was made of brass; and they heated him from his lower parts; and his hands being stretched out, and made hot, they put the child between his hands, and it was burnt; when it vehemently cried out; but the priests beat a drum, that the father might not hear the voice of his son, and his heart might not be moved.

http://demons.monstrous.com/duplicate1/Moloch.jpg

All Hail Moloch!!!:worship:

I was thinking for other countries. And look at what the conservatives have done to sex education in America. I know 22 year old girls - granted, not especially smart ones - who think that the morning-after pill causes abortion.

What people miss is that those giant third world families? They don't leave as much of an ecological footprint as a giant family - or even a family with three kids - does in the first world countries.

The first world countries, that's where child support and welfare reform comes in. I work with a girl who basically has the government paying her rent, and why? Because she has a kid.

Third world is another problem alltogether, one more difficultly solved. But in the first world it would actually be very easy to install birth restrictions.

Except that countries like Germany NEED families like the Duggars. There's a population crisis in Europe because people aren't reproducing, and need to be encouraged to do so.

Never fear, there's always Moloch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch)



http://demons.monstrous.com/duplicate1/Moloch.jpg

All Hail Moloch!!!:worship:

:confused: i dont get it

Except that countries like Germany NEED families like the Duggars. There's a population crisis in Europe because people aren't reproducing, and need to be encouraged to do so.

That is because of the failing social system when the majority of the population will be old and there are not nearly enough young people paying for their pensions and social services. Its a real problem. But it doesnt address the environmental issue.

That is because of the failing social system when the majority of the population will be old and there are not nearly enough young people paying for their pensions and social services. Its a real problem. But it doesnt address the environmental issue.

No, it doesn't. But neither will having the more intelligent, successful and attractive people forgo (?) reproduction. We don't need "Idiocracy" on our hands.

Again, material things do not make people happy.

All of us are basing our opinions off of THEIR website. For all we know they've had 53 kids so far and the rest were sold into slavery. They look so lovely, I know, but visit their house on a normal hecktic stress-filled weekday and you'll see differently.

I think it's ridiculious that you have to take a test and fill out paperwork to drive a car. You have to fill out paperwork and give info to vote. You have to get a background check, paperwork and interviews to get a job, BUT, you want to bring a fucking HUMAN LIFE into this world, HAVE AT IT! Heck, have as many as you want! You can beat them in your basement, go to jail, get out, and have more! Are you a loser piece of shit? Want a kid? Here you go, I'll make your awful relationship even better and force your boyfriend to stay with you!

It's stupid.

if they couldnt look after they're children then the social services will be right on them, yeah i dare say that during a normal week day they're house is hectic mine is and i just have 3 kids, but i dare say that they all pitch in and do chores, every child needs to learn chores and help around the house for them to cope with life outside the home!!

and not everyone chooses to have children i have plenty of friends who dont want kids, surely they will equal themselves out.

No, it doesn't. But neither will having the more intelligent, successful and attractive people forgo (?) reproduction. We don't need "Idiocracy" on our hands.

I didnt say only succesful and intelligent people would have to obey birth restrictions...
Everyone would have to obey them, in fact that would make the percentage of children from more intelligent and succesful people higher.

I didnt say only succesful and intelligent people would have to obey birth restrictions...
Everyone would have to obey them, in fact that would make the percentage of children from more intelligent and succesful people higher.

and you say your not "hitler like" :bugeye:

and you say your not "hitler like" :bugeye:

Shut your pothole!
Thats is not why i suggested birth restrictions.
I was just reacting to Xev's post:

"No, it doesn't. But neither will having the more intelligent, successful and attractive people forgo (?) reproduction. We don't need "Idiocracy" on our hands."

I advice you not to call me hitler again :mad:
If you dont like what you see just stay out of this thread!

yes, no doubt anti social, pathological inclinations are being exhibited here. that being said, 67% of the population should not reproduce at all and that number is growing.

yes, no doubt anti social, pathololigical inclinations are being exhibited here. that being said, 67% of the population should not reproduce at all and that number is growing.

What exactly are you saying ?

Shut your pothole!
Thats is not why i suggested birth restrictions.
I was just reacting to Xev's post:

"No, it doesn't. But neither will having the more intelligent, successful and attractive people forgo (?) reproduction. We don't need "Idiocracy" on our hands."

I advice you not to call me hitler again :mad:
If you dont like what you see just stay out of this thread!

unless you are prepared to go and sit in the corner of your room and blow your brains out, to save the worlds resources then you have no right continuing this argument!!

hitler!!

unless you are prepared to go and sit in the corner of your room and blow your brains out, to save the worlds resources then you have no right continuing this argument!!

hitler!!

Have you even read the entire thread ? Maybe you will come to another conclusion if you do so. Or maybe now that you have said it already you feel you cant back down anymore, cos that would show weakness.. yeah :rolleyes:
Or maybe you just like name-calling. Hmm that seems to be it..

You have been reported.

What exactly are you saying ?

i am concerned for the future of our species.

i am concerned for the future of our species.

In what way ?

Have you even read the entire thread ? Maybe you will come to another conclusion if you do so. Or maybe now that you have said it already you feel you cant back down anymore, cos that would show weakness.. yeah :rolleyes:
Or maybe you just like name-calling. Hmm that seems to be it..

You have been reported.

you know you have been hitler like, he wanted a race of just blue eyes, blond hair, fair skin, and you want a race of intelligent people, i have no worries about being reported because i am saying the truth you are hitler like,

you know you have been hitler like, he wanted a race of just blue eyes, blond hair, fair skin, and you want a race of intelligent people, i have no worries about being reported because i am saying the truth you are hitler like,

Would you care to point out were i stated that i wanted a race of intelligent people ?? READ!

Would you care to point out were i stated that i wanted a race of intelligent people ?? READ!

That is the problem Enmos, no unity.

That is the problem Enmos, no unity.

What unity ?
What the hell is wrong with you people !
I never said anything remotely like that. READ back!

I didnt say only succesful and intelligent people would have to obey birth restrictions...
Everyone would have to obey them, in fact that would make the percentage of children from more intelligent and succesful people higher.Would you care to point out were i stated that i wanted a race of intelligent people ?? READ!

there you go!!

What unity ?
What the hell is wrong with you people !
I never said anything remotely like that. READ back!

er, reported.:)

there you go!!

I see you conveniently left out that i was reacting to another post, i was merely pointing out the fact that that was a by-product.
I never said i wanted any intelligent race.
You are quite delusional, had a bad day perhaps !?

er, reported.:)

And what exactly for ?

I see you conveniently left out that i was reacting to another post, i was merely pointing out the fact that that was a by-product.
I never said i wanted any intelligent race.
You are quite delusional, had a bad day perhaps !?

no actually i have had a great day, and perhaps i should NOT have called you hitler but you did say in so many words that you only wanted inteligent people to have kids

I've noticed most "intelligent" people are too lazy or busy to reproduce, but have plenty of time to lament about the increasing stupidity of the human race and eugenics as the only possible solution. :D

no actually i have had a great day, and perhaps i should NOT have called you hitler but you did say in so many words that you only wanted inteligent people to have kids

This was the conversation:

Originally Posted by Xev
Except that countries like Germany NEED families like the Duggars. There's a population crisis in Europe because people aren't reproducing, and need to be encouraged to do so.

Originally Posted by Enmos
That is because of the failing social system when the majority of the population will be old and there are not nearly enough young people paying for their pensions and social services. Its a real problem. But it doesnt address the environmental issue.

Originally Posted by Xev
No, it doesn't. But neither will having the more intelligent, successful and attractive people forgo (?) reproduction. We don't need "Idiocracy" on our hands.

Originally Posted by Enmos
I didnt say only succesful and intelligent people would have to obey birth restrictions...
Everyone would have to obey them, in fact that would make the percentage of children from more intelligent and succesful people higher.

I dont want only intelligent people to have kids, i dont want birth restrictions. I merely opted it as a solution for overcrowding.

Xev said that birth restrictions werent a good idea because he somehow thought it would only be applied to "intelligent, successful and attractive" people. And that the result would be that we would have ""Idiocracy" on our hands".

I am not at all Hitler like, and i would like you to take back your words.

I've noticed most "intelligent" people are too lazy or busy to reproduce, but have plenty of time to lament about the increasing stupidity of the human race and eugenics as the only possible solution. :D

Hey Sam, please quit it. This is not a joke.

Hey Sam, please quit it. This is not a joke.

Umm sometimes I address posts to people other than you.:confused:

Umm sometimes I address posts to people other than you.:confused:

yeah SAM stop picking on me, i will go to my cornor and cry!!:bawl:

Orleander
“ Originally Posted by S.A.M.
Hmm maybe we should ban all research on longevity and chronic diseases and refuse treatment to anyone who is over a certain age; bet that would bring down the population real quick. ”

Or quit trying to save all the 2 lb premies, or anyone who has overdosed, or crashed for drunk driving or...

SAM
“ Originally Posted by S.A.M.
Hmm maybe we should ban all research on longevity and chronic diseases and refuse treatment to anyone who is over a certain age; bet that would bring down the population real quick. ”

In the same vein, we should ration food to all planetarians (ie earthlings) to avoid waste, those who use more should be heavily fined or forced to do manual labor as community service (that would take care of the illegal immigrants).

Of course, I humbly suggest I should be elected Queen Poohbah and put in charge of all this tediuos work.

Lucifers angel
“ Originally Posted by S.A.M.
In the same vein, we should ration food to all planetarians (ie earthlings) to avoid waste, those who use more should be heavily fined.

Of course, I humbly suggest I should be elected Queen Poohbah and put in charge of all this tediuos work. ”

shall we just go the whole hog and refuse ill children food that would cut down the population, no actually i have a better idea, lets not send food to hospitals so all the sick andinfirm people can die, lowering the population.

SAM
“ Originally Posted by lucifers angel
shall we just go the whole hog and refuse ill children food that would cut down the population, no actually i have a better idea, lets not send food to hospitals so all the sick andinfirm people can die, lowering the population. ”

Hospitals? Whats that?

lucifers angel
“ Originally Posted by S.A.M.
Hospitals? Whats that? ”

where sick people get better!!

SAM
“ Originally Posted by lucifers angel
where sick people get better!! ”

sounds like a complete waste of resources

*writes "abolish hospitals" on to do list*

lucifers angel
“ Originally Posted by S.A.M.
sounds like a complete waste of resources

*writes "abolish hospitals" on to do list* ”

yep, total waste of resources!!

lucifers angel
“ Originally Posted by Enmos
That was THEN, this is NOW. Big difference, i can understand how it was neccesary in the past. And the environmental issues werent around then either. They should no better now.

I would say nothing about a woman giving birth to 2 triplets, but four twins ? You should know when to stop.
If we ever get to vote on birth restriction ill vote for it. Thats all im saying. ”

then your has bad or worse than hitler himself was. why arent people having a rant at the people who will dumb baby girls in the side of the road in china?

Enmos (SARCASTIC REPLY TO EARLIER POSTS OF ORLEANDER, SAM AND LUCIFERS ANGEL)
“ Originally Posted by Orleander
Or quit trying to save all the 2 lb premies, or anyone who has overdosed, or crashed for drunk driving or... ”

Fine ideas, does that make me right wing ?

lucifers angel
“ Originally Posted by Enmos
Fine ideas, does that make me right wing ? ”

nope it makes you "hitler"

Lucifers angel
Originally Posted by lucifers angel
then your has bad or worse than hitler himself was. why arent people having a rant at the people who will dumb baby girls in the side of the road in china?



http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b148adc3258.htm ”

Do you seriously think i like that happening !?
Something has to be done, dont you see there is a problem ?

And you better take that stuff about hitler back

And i aint crying about it, but how would you like it if someone called you Hitler. Would you be fine with it ??

Orleander
“ Originally Posted by S.A.M.
Hmm maybe we should ban all research on longevity and chronic diseases and refuse treatment to anyone who is over a certain age; bet that would bring down the population real quick. ”

Or quit trying to save all the 2 lb premies, or anyone who has overdosed, or crashed for drunk driving or...

SAM
“ Originally Posted by S.A.M.
Hmm maybe we should ban all research on longevity and chronic diseases and refuse treatment to anyone who is over a certain age; bet that would bring down the population real quick. ”

In the same vein, we should ration food to all planetarians (ie earthlings) to avoid waste, those who use more should be heavily fined or forced to do manual labor as community service (that would take care of the illegal immigrants).

Of course, I humbly suggest I should be elected Queen Poohbah and put in charge of all this tediuos work.

Lucifers angel
“ Originally Posted by S.A.M.
In the same vein, we should ration food to all planetarians (ie earthlings) to avoid waste, those who use more should be heavily fined.

Of course, I humbly suggest I should be elected Queen Poohbah and put in charge of all this tediuos work. ”

shall we just go the whole hog and refuse ill children food that would cut down the population, no actually i have a better idea, lets not send food to hospitals so all the sick andinfirm people can die, lowering the population.

SAM
“ Originally Posted by lucifers angel
shall we just go the whole hog and refuse ill children food that would cut down the population, no actually i have a better idea, lets not send food to hospitals so all the sick andinfirm people can die, lowering the population. ”

Hospitals? Whats that?

lucifers angel
“ Originally Posted by S.A.M.
Hospitals? Whats that? ”

where sick people get better!!

SAM
“ Originally Posted by lucifers angel
where sick people get better!! ”

sounds like a complete waste of resources

*writes "abolish hospitals" on to do list*

lucifers angel
“ Originally Posted by S.A.M.
sounds like a complete waste of resources

*writes "abolish hospitals" on to do list* ”

yep, total waste of resources!!

lucifers angel
“ Originally Posted by Enmos
That was THEN, this is NOW. Big difference, i can understand how it was neccesary in the past. And the environmental issues werent around then either. They should no better now.

I would say nothing about a woman giving birth to 2 triplets, but four twins ? You should know when to stop.
If we ever get to vote on birth restriction ill vote for it. Thats all im saying. ”

then your has bad or worse than hitler himself was. why arent people having a rant at the people who will dumb baby girls in the side of the road in china?

Enmos (SARCASTIC REPLY TO EARLIER POSTS OF ORLEANDER, SAM AND LUCIFERS ANGEL)
“ Originally Posted by Orleander
Or quit trying to save all the 2 lb premies, or anyone who has overdosed, or crashed for drunk driving or... ”

Fine ideas, does that make me right wing ?

lucifers angel
“ Originally Posted by Enmos
Fine ideas, does that make me right wing ? ”

nope it makes you "hitler"

Lucifers angel
Originally Posted by lucifers angel
then your has bad or worse than hitler himself was. why arent people having a rant at the people who will dumb baby girls in the side of the road in china?



http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b148adc3258.htm ”

Do you seriously think i like that happening !?
Something has to be done, dont you see there is a problem ?

And you better take that stuff about hitler back

i already said perhaps i shouod not ahve called you hitler but i wont say sorry for it, and i am most certainatly not taking it back

And i aint crying about it, but how would you like it if someone called you Hitler. Would you be fine with it ??

i've been called worse a lot worse!! i got over it

Jesus, I leave to run errands and go to work, and look what happens!

Xev said that birth restrictions werent a good idea because he somehow thought it would only be applied to "intelligent, successful and attractive" people. And that the result would be that we would have ""Idiocracy" on our hands".

She. And I should have been more clear: what I meant was, usually it is the more intelligent people who do not reproduce, generally because they are doing more important things. :D

It was not necessarily linked to birth restrictions.

This was the conversation:

Originally Posted by Xev
Except that countries like Germany NEED families like the Duggars. There's a population crisis in Europe because people aren't reproducing, and need to be encouraged to do so.

Originally Posted by Enmos
That is because of the failing social system when the majority of the population will be old and there are not nearly enough young people paying for their pensions and social services. Its a real problem. But it doesnt address the environmental issue.

Originally Posted by Xev
No, it doesn't. But neither will having the more intelligent, successful and attractive people forgo (?) reproduction. We don't need "Idiocracy" on our hands.

Originally Posted by Enmos
I didnt say only succesful and intelligent people would have to obey birth restrictions...
Everyone would have to obey them, in fact that would make the percentage of children from more intelligent and succesful people higher.

I dont want only intelligent people to have kids, i dont want birth restrictions. I merely opted it as a solution for overcrowding.

Xev said that birth restrictions werent a good idea because he somehow thought it would only be applied to "intelligent, successful and attractive" people. And that the result would be that we would have ""Idiocracy" on our hands".

I am not at all Hitler like, and i would like you to take back your words.

Did you even read this post ? It proves that i never said that i only want intelligent people to have kids. I also never implied i want that anywhere.

Saying you perhaps shouldnt have called me Hitler wont cut it. I demand an apology.

Jesus, I leave to run errands and go to work, and look what happens!



She. And I should have been more clear: what I meant was, usually it is the more intelligent people who do not reproduce, generally because they are doing more important things. :D

It was not necessarily linked to birth restrictions.

Then i misunderstood you, and i apologize for it and for mentioning in my post that way.
But it doesnt change the fact that i didnt mean to say what lucifers angel is trying to pin on me.

Did you even read this post ? It proves that i never said that i only want intelligent people to have kids. I also never implied i want that anywhere.

Saying you perhaps shouldnt have called me Hitler wont cut it. I demand an apology.

apology, erm......:wtf:

apology, erm......:wtf:

Exactly, you cant go around calling people Hitler !
On top of that it was totally uncalled for and based on something i never said or meant to imply.

Exactly, you cant go around calling people Hitler !
On top of that it was totally uncalled for and based on something i never said or meant to imply.

oh boo hoo!!!

Then i misunderstood you, and i apologize for it and for mentioning in my post that way.
But it doesnt change the fact that i didnt mean to say what lucifers angel is trying to pin on me.

Not a problem. But I think you are taking what she said a bit too seriously.

Not a problem. But I think you are taking what she said a bit too seriously.

if he cant discuss somthing then perhaps he shouldnt be here!!

my point was just has valid has his was!!

So she sews most of their clothes. I wonder if they have a garden. Wouldn't that help the planet?

On the other hand, there are more mature ways to respond to someone you disagree with than calling them Hitler.

On the other hand, there are more mature ways to respond to someone you disagree with than calling them Hitler.

i just said perhaps i should not have called him hitler but i wont take it back

if he cant discuss somthing then perhaps he shouldnt be here!!

my point was just has valid has his was!!

Do you think calling someone Hitler isnt anything serious ???
I am from the Netherlands, yes the country RIGHT NEXT TO GERMANY.
Maybe i shouldnt expect an American to understand the seriousness of calling someone that.... :shrug:

So she sews most of their clothes. I wonder if they have a garden. Wouldn't that help the planet?

yes they do have a garden i was looking at they're house

can your arguement be better served in PMs and NOT IN MY THREAD!!!! hijackers

Do you think calling someone Hitler isnt anything serious ???
I am from the Netherlands, yes the country RIGHT NEXT TO GERMANY.
Maybe i shouldnt expect an American to understand the seriousness of calling someone that.... :shrug:

I AM NOT AMERICAN!!!! i am WELSH!!! and i know the seriouness

can your arguement be better served in PMs and NOT IN MY THREAD!!!! hijackers

i am trying to discuss your thread

I AM NOT AMERICAN!!!! i am WELSH!!! and i know the seriouness

If you know the seriousness of the matter, then take it back!

Last thing i say about it as to not further hijack Orleanders thread..
Sorry Orleander.

You're forgiven Enmos...Lucifer????

yeah sorry orleander!! sorry orleander!!!

not saying sorry to anyone else though

If you know the seriousness of the matter, then take it back!

Last thing i say about it as to not further hijack Orleanders thread..
Sorry Orleander.

not taking anything back, anyway if you must carry on then PM me that way we can fight away from orleanders thread

You're forgiven too lucifer.
So if they garden, doesn't that help the planet?

You're forgiven too lucifer.
So if they garden, doesn't that help the planet?

yes it does, perhaps to save resources they should grow they're own vegatables and fruit!!

welcome Jennifer.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291949,00.html

welcome Jennifer.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291949,00.html

i think its brilliant news.

i still stand by what i said earlier though people are just sour that they can support that many children

Egad and they want to have MORE babies! Well, good for them. They obviously love their kids, they are responsible and they are totally involved in their kids lives. Would that more parents were more like them.

~String

It took 30 minutes to deliver the baby. That's it. They must just fall out at this point.

It took 30 minutes to deliver the baby. That's it. They must just fall out at this point.

She probably has one of the "yellow and blue makes green" zippers attached down there. ;)

~String

She probably has one of the "yellow and blue makes green" zippers attached down there. ;)

~String

LMAO. :D

Why am I horrified??? :shrug:
Sheer prejudice on your part!
My great-grandfather came from a larger family (19).
"Go forth and multiply" sayeth the Lord, and it's the one thing he and Darwin agreed about!

Sheer prejudice on your part!
My great-grandfather came from a larger family (19).
"Go forth and multiply" sayeth the Lord, and it's the one thing he and Darwin agreed about!

Maybe.. but one doesnt have to exaggerate. :p

congrats mom!!!!