Does anyone out there feel the same way I do about the current events surrounding Don Imus' remark about the Rutgers Basketball team. I agree that it was wrong and that some punishment is worthy... But the more this continues, the more it seems like a witch hunt in which to blame all of society's racial tension on a single person.

Did anyone watch the interview with Al Sharpton? Good-old Al tried to twist everything he said into some sort of racial comment. It was a mirror image of the Militant Black Guy from Balls of Steel.

And then there are the hypocrits who claim only a certain group of people can use that slang term to refer to one another... just like a caucasian person can't use the N word, but a african-american can.

It all seems awfully ridicoulous to me... and the more it goes on and takes up a significant portion of the news, the more I just want to say to everyone, "GROW UP!"

Tristan

First, I want to address the dual standards you speak off.

1) I hear girls, call each other BITCHES all the time. Or I'll hear women brag about how much of a *bitch* they're going to be if something doesn't go well for them. I also hear it said on TV & Movies all day everyday. You mean to tell me the only time you heard the word Bitch was from a rap song? Please, people called women Bitches & Ho's way before rap was even invented.

2) I hear white people call other whites Redneck all the time. But when a Black person says it he's considerd a racist. If I were to walk up to my White Boss and say *Hey Redneck* he would fire my ass. Even If I said "Hey, Jeff Foxworthy uses it, so why can't I"

3) Do me this favor Tristan. Please record it if you can. Next time you go into work. I want to address your female boss, or one of your female customers as a nappy headed ho. What do you think would happen? Would you keep your Job or would you be fired? I'm pretty sure you or I would get fired if we used that language to address a co-worker or client. And we the people, are customers of NBC when we choose to tune in. So IMUS should have the same responsibility to watch his mouth. Like you and I have to when we're at working, dealing with customers.

4) I also hear Mexicans refer to some of their own as Wet Backs. But I can't say that shit because I'm not Mexican.


5) And last but not least. Do I have the right to go out and Kill someone because Whites makes movies about people killing other people? I can see myself in court now. "Well your honor, I see Swartzenagger kill people all the time in his movies" So do you mean it's ok for him to kill and not me? Rap is fucking enteratinment. Why can't people get that through their heads. It's no different then a fucking movie. Everthing that's said in a rap song, is said or illustrated in a movie. The only difference is the medium, but the message is still the same. We're a violent culture, we like sex, blood, violence, degradation when it come to our entertainment.

1) Best Movie Departed

2) Grammy award winner 50 cent

3) The most inputed word in internet search bars SEX

4) Consumes more illicit drugs then any other country.

And you have the audacity to single out what some rappers are doing? That's racist in itself.

I think it's a great example of why we have conflicts and wars all over the world. Yet people can't seem to see that ...they seem to think that wars and conflicts are actually about something else. They ain't ...it's always about a few people disagreeing and unwilling to forgive, ignore or make compromises.

Baron Max

Umm I'm from the UK and I don't understand how the comment is racist, could someone explain what it means?

"nappy-headed hos." = what?

Imus should be fired immediately for his racist remarks. For the person above who said "how is it racist", he knows DAMN WELL 99% of the Rutgers basketball team is black. Calling women "nappy headed hoes" spills with complete racism, I'm glad Imus is being suspended....it's a baby step in the right direction.

Imus should be fired immediately for his racist remarks. For the person above who said "how is it racist", he knows DAMN WELL 99% of the Rutgers basketball team is black. Calling women "nappy headed hoes" spills with complete racism, I'm glad Imus is being suspended....it's a baby step in the right direction.

Could you explain to me what the comment means, please?

Nappy- the matted hair of a black person, usually indicative of carelessness or lack of effort.

Ho- Whore, prostitute.

Imus is a big jerk, he deserves all the criticism he gets. This episode IS indicative of all the racist hatred spewing from the mouths of right-wing talkers, even though they might avoid blatantly racist slurs.

Could you explain to me what the comment means, please?

Black people are known for often having "nappy hair", usually a term that means coarse or dry hair. How many white people do you know in the U.K. that have nappy hair. None I can assume. So when Imus said those women were some "nappy-headed hoes", we all know he was trying to say "black hoes". That racist comment is something that WILL NOT be tolerated by the black community.

If you feel it is ok to call black women "nappy headed hoes" to their face, prepare to experience the beauty of the British medical system.

Ok I am starting to understand. I think in the UK the comment would be 'picky head' But I have only ever heard black people use this about other blacks, I think in general white people in the Uk don't know much about black peoples hair.

What is the standard of hair that these basketball players have? Is it better/worse or the same as the average American black lady?

What is the standard of hair that these basketball players have? Is it better/worse or the same as the average American black lady?

Let me explain to you like a 3 year old would. Nappy means that a comb can't go through your hair without hitting snares. This is mostly associated with people who wear afro's. Do a google search, and look for yourself. And see if these women have hair that you can't put a comb through. And try meeting some Black friends so you don't have to come here to learn things you should already know since it's 2007.

Let me explain to you like a 3 year old would. Nappy means that a comb can't go through your hair without hitting snares. This is mostly associated with people who wear afro's. Do a google search, and look for yourself. And see if these women have hair that you can't put a comb through. And try meeting some Black friends so you don't have to come here to learn things you should already know since it's 2007.

Let me just explain to you like an adult would. I have asked this question because I am from a totally different culture to the USA. I have never seen a females basketball team and I know 'nothing at all' about any of them. Therefore, before making a judgment I believe I should in this instance and all other instances investigate and ask questions before making a judgment.

You could look at another example, take female Russian Shot-putters who are renowned for being similar to men.

Therefore, as I know nothing about female basketball players I wondered if it was a common trait that these lady's had unkempt hair.

Thinking about this what I don't understand is, why has a derogatory name for black women's hair become common language? To me this seems at the root of the problem.

Why not? Black vernacular is often absorbed into the common language in the US.

i saw the clip of him saying those things... and it was pure bullshit. he shouldn't have said those things. they sound even worse in-context than out of it. being suspended for 2 weeks is a big gift to him, because he deserves worse.

Before these people get Imus fired, shouldn't they have to first prove that these women AREN'T whores? He obviously got the "nappy head" part correct, so at WORST he is half-wrong. Are we really going to fire a man for being half wrong? If so, every weatherman in the country should be NEXT!

I am sure these ladies take great care with their hair, as most women do. They can hardly maintain a fabulous "do" while on the court. The second part is not even worthy of consideration, since it's obviously slanderous.

I really don't care if he is fired. He has the right to say what's on his mind like anyone else. It's what is on his mind that is so objectionable.

I am sure these ladies take great care with their hair, as most women do. They can hardly maintain a fabulous "do" while on the court. The second part is not even worthy of consideration, since it's obviously slanderous.

I really don't care if he is fired. He has the right to say what's on his mind like anyone else. It's what is on his mind that is so objectionable.

For it to be "slanderous", you would first have to prove that it is false.

I'm pretty sure most of those women have had intercourse in exchange for a meal and a ticket to the cinema.

That's called a date, you should try it sometime.

swivel, you're hardcore. i like you.

but i doubt that you mean what you said.

I'm pretty sure most of those women have had intercourse in exchange for a meal and a ticket to the cinema.

And your mother didn't?

First, I want to address the dual standards you speak off.

1) I hear girls, call each other BITCHES all the time. Or I'll hear women brag about how much of a *bitch* they're going to be if something doesn't go well for them. I also hear it said on TV & Movies all day everyday. You mean to tell me the only time you heard the word Bitch was from a rap song? Please, people called women Bitches & Ho's way before rap was even invented.

2) I hear white people call other whites Redneck all the time. But when a Black person says it he's considerd a racist. If I were to walk up to my White Boss and say *Hey Redneck* he would fire my ass. Even If I said "Hey, Jeff Foxworthy uses it, so why can't I"

3) Do me this favor Tristan. Please record it if you can. Next time you go into work. I want to address your female boss, or one of your female customers as a nappy headed ho. What do you think would happen? Would you keep your Job or would you be fired? I'm pretty sure you or I would get fired if we used that language to address a co-worker or client. And we the people, are customers of NBC when we choose to tune in. So IMUS should have the same responsibility to watch his mouth. Like you and I have to when we're at working, dealing with customers.

4) I also hear Mexicans refer to some of their own as Wet Backs. But I can't say that shit because I'm not Mexican.


5) And last but not least. Do I have the right to go out and Kill someone because Whites makes movies about people killing other people? I can see myself in court now. "Well your honor, I see Swartzenagger kill people all the time in his movies" So do you mean it's ok for him to kill and not me? Rap is fucking enteratinment. Why can't people get that through their heads. It's no different then a fucking movie. Everthing that's said in a rap song, is said or illustrated in a movie. The only difference is the medium, but the message is still the same. We're a violent culture, we like sex, blood, violence, degradation when it come to our entertainment.

1) Best Movie Departed

2) Grammy award winner 50 cent

3) The most inputed word in internet search bars SEX

4) Consumes more illicit drugs then any other country.

And you have the audacity to single out what some rappers are doing? That's racist in itself.


On 1,2,4 I completely agree and thats my point! Would there be a huge media frenzy and Al Sharpton closing for the kill if Imus was Black? Even if he was black and said something bad about whites? Probably Not. So does that make it ok? I mean, no matter what nationality you are, you're still generalizing and stereotyping, in a deragatory way, the individual.

What Imus said was that it was said in a joking manner... Does that make it right, HELL NO! But if Imus was black and he said he said it in a joking manner, everyone would be like... oh, ok. Next story.

On #5: That is exactly my point! No, you dont have the right to kill in any shape or form. It is equally bad in most cultures.

Ok, so Rap is entertainment as you say. But I find it funny that the same stereotypes that African American's try to dispel are continually imbedded in Rap. And somehow, its entertaining to them to watch a video where every black stereotype known to human kind is used and exemplified... but its ok because the person doing it is black himself. That's ridicoulous! (of course, I'm generalizing here)

I don't find most Rap entertaining in the least bit... i find it crude, disgusting, funny (especially when they try to look cool and its exemplifying every thing that is stereotypical), and most of all hardly an art form (now there are exceptions when the rap has lyrics worth hearing).

So back to my question. Why punish Imus so harsly, with such an iron fist, when his comment is modest at the very most, when compared to other areas of our culture? Because we want someone to blame, someone to take the fall as the source of racism in America. He won't be the last person.

In fact, upon further thought I would disagree with 2.... When blacks say something about whites, it isnt considered racist, or so in my opinion... Its brushed off.

And your mother didn't?

Yes, but her hair is very nice. So, again, Imus would only be half-wrong in calling my mother a "Nappy-Headed Ho". Not a fire-able offense if you ask me.

They were calling for a 50% chance of rain today. Doesn't look good for those mother-fuckers!


The classy thing would have been for the B-Ball Bitches to release a statement saying that they didn't care what Imus thought and that they hoped people would stop listening to his show if they were offended.

Instead, they got themselves on TV, so everyone could see their Nappy Heads, and they became the biggest attention whores since Paris Hilton. Oh, shit! I guess Imus was 100% correct after all.

Yes, but her hair is very nice. So, again, Imus would only be half-wrong in calling my mother a "Nappy-Headed Ho". Not a fire-able offense if you ask me.

I'll pose the challenge to you as well. Go to your job, and call the next female Manager, or Client a nappy headed ho, or even greasy headed ho. And tell me if you still have a job.

Yes, but her hair is very nice. So, again, Imus would only be half-wrong in calling my mother a "Nappy-Headed Ho". Not a fire-able offense if you ask me.

They were calling for a 50% chance of rain today. Doesn't look good for those mother-fuckers!


The classy thing would have been for the B-Ball Bitches to release a statement saying that they didn't care what Imus thought and that they hoped people would stop listening to his show if they were offended.

Instead, they got themselves on TV, so everyone could see their Nappy Heads, and they became the biggest attention whores since Paris Hilton. Oh, shit! I guess Imus was 100% correct after all.

************Reported**********. That's why I like these racial threads. It brings the Klan out everytime.

I'll pose the challenge to you as well. Go to your job, and call the next female Manager, or Client a nappy headed ho, or even greasy headed ho. And tell me if you still have a job.

I didn't realize that Imus worked for the Rutgers basketball team. How is this possible?

Tell you what I will do. I will go into work tomorrow and tell my boss that I think the Rutger's basketball team is a bunch of Nappy-Headed Hos. I promise you on my good name that I will say this to him. I will do it with a straight face, and I will not tell him that I am conducting an experiment.

Tomorrow night, we will see if I still have my job. My guess is that he will not fire me.

If your job on the forums is to make ridiculously slanted analogies that have no point whatsoever, I think you are safe.



Edit: As for your report, I am the furthest thing from racist. I think it is YOU who is racist. I don't care about people's skin color, which is why I can speak honestly on this subject, while you are left being a reactionary fanatic.

On 1,2,4 I completely agree and thats my point! Would there be a huge media frenzy and Al Sharpton closing for the kill if Imus was Black? Even if he was black and said something bad about whites? Probably Not. So does that make it ok? I mean, no matter what nationality you are, you're still generalizing and stereotyping, in a deragatory way, the individual.

What Imus said was that it was said in a joking manner... Does that make it right, HELL NO! But if Imus was black and he said he said it in a joking manner, everyone would be like... oh, ok. Next story.

On #5: That is exactly my point! No, you dont have the right to kill in any shape or form. It is equally bad in most cultures.

Ok, so Rap is entertainment as you say. But I find it funny that the same stereotypes that African American's try to dispel are continually imbedded in Rap. And somehow, its entertaining to them to watch a video where every black stereotype known to human kind is used and exemplified... but its ok because the person doing it is black himself. That's ridicoulous! (of course, I'm generalizing here)

I don't find most Rap entertaining in the least bit... i find it crude, disgusting, funny (especially when they try to look cool and its exemplifying every thing that is stereotypical), and most of all hardly an art form (now there are exceptions when the rap has lyrics worth hearing).

So back to my question. Why punish Imus so harsly, with such an iron fist, when his comment is modest at the very most, when compared to other areas of our culture? Because we want someone to blame, someone to take the fall as the source of racism in America. He won't be the last person.

In fact, upon further thought I would disagree with 2.... When blacks say something about whites, it isnt considered racist, or so in my opinion... Its brushed off.


Ok, you want to play that game? Ok, whites are usually associated with being serial killers. And yet, they reward Anthony Hopkins for playing a serial killer (Hanibal Lecter) So if you don't want to be stereotyped as a serial killer, then stop rewarding serial killers in movies. Until then, I'm going to assume you're a serial killer because you're white, and since Silence of the Lambs won 5 oscars, I'm going to assume you condone that behavior. So until Whites stop making movies about serial killers, and rerwarding those performances. I will not stop calling every white person I see a Serial killer. Because they're glorified in White Culture. (See how stupid your logic sounds)

Ok, you want to play that game? Ok, whites are usually associated with being serial killers. And yet, they reward Anthony Hopkins for playing a serial killer (Hanibal Lecter) So if you don't want to be stereotype as a serial killer, then stop rewarding serial killers in movies. Until then, I'm going to assume you're a serial killer because you're white, and since Silence of the Lambs won 5 oscars, I'm going to assume you condone that behavior. So until you stop making movies about serial killers, and rerwarding those type of films. I will not stop calling every white person I see a Serial killer. Because they're glorified in White Culture. (See how stupid your logic sounds)

Are you saying that two wrongs make a right? I know three lefts make a right, but I don't think two wrongs do.

I didn't realize that Imus worked for the Rutgers basketball team. How is this possible?

Rutgers didn't suspend him, NBC did. Rutgers didn't pull adverstising from the Don Imus show, Proctor & Gamble did. So did Staples. So your argument is baseless.

Tell you what I will do. I will go into work tomorrow and tell my boss that I think the Rutger's basketball team is a bunch of Nappy-Headed Hos. I promise you on my good name that I will say this to him. I will do it with a straight face, and I will not tell him that I am conducting an experiment.


Sounds like you work for a professional company, with prestine integrity.

Tomorrow night, we will see if I still have my job. My guess is that he will not fire me.

Obviously you work at Mcdonalds, because that the only place that would tolorate that pernicous conduct.

If your job on the forums is to make ridiculously slanted analogies that have no point whatsoever, I think you are safe.

You're a racist, there's nothing slanted about that tough guy.



As for your report, I am the furthest thing from racist. I think it is YOU who is racist. I don't care about people's skin color, which is why I can speak honestly on this subject, while you are left being a reactionary fanatic.

You're a racist. You have no respect for other cultures or people. That's why you have no problem with anyone that's not white being subjagated. I mean you're on Imus's side right? Even he said it was wrong? Only the right wing racists think what Imus said is OK.

I'm a racist? For thinking people are too riled up over a non-issue?

It is reactionaries like you that are holding back race-relations. Anyone that argues with you gets labeled a "racist", which ends the discussion. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I provide wit, and you report me.

You insult my mother, and I roll with it, insult her in my own witty way, and diffuse your evil attack. You could learn something from my handling of your nastiness.

You are obviously an evil hate-monger with no thinking ability. Your analogy was ridiculous, and I made you look like an ass. And now you are getting all tough on me with your silly line-by-line posting style. As soon as you post like that, I know that you have lost and have nothing to say.

Grow up.

Are you saying that two wrongs make a right? I know three lefts make a right, but I don't think two wrongs do.

Nope, I'm saying clean up your own fucking backyard before you start to crticize mine.

Ok, you want to play that game? Ok, whites are usually associated with being serial killers. And yet, they reward Anthony Hopkins for playing a serial killer (Hanibal Lecter) So if you don't want to be stereotyped as a serial killer, then stop rewarding serial killers in movies. Until then, I'm going to assume you're a serial killer because you're white, and since Silence of the Lambs won 5 oscars, I'm going to assume you condone that behavior. So until Whites stop making movies about serial killers, and rerwarding those performances. I will not stop calling every white person I see a Serial killer. Because they're glorified in White Culture. (See how stupid your logic sounds)

Haha, dude thats not my logic at all... apparently you've missed the boat.

My point is, as clearly as I can possibly imagine stating it:

Why do we punish Don Imus for making a racial remark and not Rappers, or any other public figure? (the latter part of the question tailing into the question below)

Question: Is it ok for people to be racist AS LONG AS you stay within you're own race?

P.S. I said I was generalizing in some of my statements. This is a broad topic that covers society as a whole. So stop taking it as a personal attack and making comments like the one above about SOL. We can have a civil conversation.

Why did Imus apologize, then? He didn't have to do that. He should have said, "yeah I said that, so what, if you don't like it don't listen". There is no real censorship here, only self censorship in the name of continuing to make money. Rappers say what they like, racist or not, because it's a free country and they have the balls to act free.

Haha, dude thats not my logic at all... apparently you've missed the boat.

My point is, as clearly as I can possibly imagine stating it:

Why do we punish Don Imus for making a racial remark and not Rappers, or any other public figure? (the latter part of the question tailing into the question below)

Question: Is it ok for people to be racist AS LONG AS you stay within you're own race?

Agree. The double-standard of people like Ganymede is laughable. They do not try and crack down on the use of the word "nigga" in rap songs, they only go after whites. They are the true racists.

People like me cringe when we hear insensitive remarks, and would not speak like this of our own accord, but understand that some people want to, and it is up to ourselves to stay away from those people. We choose to live our own way and not get in other people's business. We are the pacifist non-racists.

Ganymede and his ilk are looking for a fight. They love the race issue and hope it never goes away. They sneer the word "racist" just like a redneck would cluck the word "nigger". They are two sides of the same coin. No ability to choose their environment and leave others alone. They are the belligerent racists.

It's a given that black people don't hate their own race, therefore they cannot say anything racist towards other blacks. Same with Jews making Jew jokes, or white people calling themselves rednecks.

I'm a racist? For thinking people are too riled up over a non-issue?

Obviously the advertisers dis-agree. As do most Americans. The only one's who agree with you are Limbaugh, Hannity, & Coulter. The racists!

It is reactionaries like you that are holding back race-relations.

No it's not, it's racists like you who condone deplorable statements. If we mutually respected one another, there wouldn't be an issue.

Anyone that argues with you gets labeled a "racist", which ends the discussion. You should be ashamed of yourself.

You should be ashamed of condoning what Dom Imus said. If it was your daughter that was insulted i'm sure you wouldn't be so forgiving tough guy.


You insult my mother, and I roll with it, insult her in my own witty way, and diffuse your evil attack. You could learn something from my handling of your nastiness.

I only echoed what you said. This proves my entire point, it's ok for you to say it, but when it's thrown back at you, all of the sudden it's an insult?

You are obviously an evil hate-monger with no thinking ability. Your analogy was ridiculous

Example please?

[qoute] and I made you look like an ass. And now you are getting all tough on me with your silly line-by-line posting style. As soon as you post like that, I know that you have lost and have nothing to say.[/quote]

I'm not the one defending Don Imus you are. Lets see you defend Sharpton next time he says something racists.

Grow up.[/QUOTE]

I have, I respect everyone. And I don't condone racial slurs, unlike you.

Why do we punish Don Imus for making a racial remark and not Rappers, or any other public figure? (the latter part of the question tailing into the question below

Please play me one Video Clip of a Rapper on NBC saying the word bitch or HO. Even during the Rap videos on MTV all disparaging words are bleeped out.

Question: Is it ok for people to be racist AS LONG AS you stay within you're own race?

Yes, it's ok. Just like it's ok for you to talk shit about your immediate family members. But If someone else does, I'm sure you don't let them get away with it.

P.S. I said I was generalizing in some of my statements. This is a broad topic that covers society as a whole. So stop taking it as a personal attack and making comments like the one above about SOL. We can have a civil conversation.


Agreed

It's a given that black people don't hate their own race, therefore they cannot say anything racist towards other blacks. Same with Jews making Jew jokes, or white people calling themselves rednecks.

I disagree. There is much research on the psychology of hating one's own race.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-loathing

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. That means you belong to a group called "morons". And if you hate morons, you also belong to a group called "autophobics". And if you hate autophobics... well, you get the point.

There has been a very long history of Jews hating Jews. Much debate has surrounded the possibility that Hitler suffered from this sort of problem. I think many whites feel shame for past transgressions. They usually come across the way Ganymede does. I had a gay uncle that hated all men, and really wanted a sex change out of disgust with his own body. This is a not-uncommon disorder. There are millions of Americans who hate their status as Americans. There are blacks who feel that their race does themselves a disservice, and they get angry with their own race. There were Native Americans who converted to Christianity and learned to hate Indians. The examples are obviously common if I can rattle these off the top of my head.

So, how do we distinguish between the people saying racist things for fun (like myself, every rapper, and probably most shock-jocks) and people that say racist things out of spite? I don't think that we can. Only evil people like Ganymede pretend to know the heart of another person, and can label them with ease. The rest of us have to choose whether or not we will tolerate inciting remarks or whether we should police thought and speech. The arguments for and against this can be made compellingly, and it is a debate that we should have.

Oh, except hateful people like Ganymede will not allow such conversations. Their opinion is sacred, and if you disagree, you are a klansman. (of course, calling someone a klansman and calling their mother a whore is not hate-speech, because these evil people get to make the rules).

I disagree. There is much research on the psychology of hating one's own race.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-loathing

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about. That means you belong to a group called "morons". And if you hate morons, you also belong to a group called "autophobics". And if you hate autophobics... well, you get the point.

There has been a very long history of Jews hating Jews. Much debate has surrounded the possibility that Hitler suffered from this sort of problem. I think many whites feel shame for past transgressions. They usually come across the way Ganymede does. I had a gay uncle that hated all men, and really wanted a sex change out of disgust with his own body. This is a not-uncommon disorder. There are millions of Americans who hate their status as Americans. There are blacks who feel that their race does themselves a disservice, and they get angry with their own race. There were Native Americans who converted to Christianity and learned to hate Indians. The examples are obviously common if I can rattle these off the top of my head.

So, how do we distinguish between the people saying racist things for fun (like myself, every rapper, and probably most shock-jocks) and people that say racist things out of spite? I don't think that we can. Only evil people like Ganymede pretend to know the heart of another person, and can label them with ease. The rest of us have to choose whether or not we will tolerate inciting remarks or whether we should police thought and speech. The arguments for and against this can be made compellingly, and it is a debate that we should have.

Oh, except hateful people like Ganymede will not allow such conversations. Their opinion is sacred, and if you disagree, you are a klansman. (of course, calling someone a klansman and calling their mother a whore is not hate-speech, because these evil people get to make the rules).

YAWN, like I said. If this was your daughter who was insulted. You wouldn't side with IMUS.

Agree. The double-standard of people like Ganymede is laughable. They do not try and crack down on the use of the word "nigga" in rap songs, they only go after whites. They are the true racists.

People like me cringe when we hear insensitive remarks, and would not speak like this of our own accord, but understand that some people want to, and it is up to ourselves to stay away from those people. We choose to live our own way and not get in other people's business. We are the pacifist non-racists.

Ganymede and his ilk are looking for a fight. They love the race issue and hope it never goes away. They sneer the word "racist" just like a redneck would cluck the word "nigger". They are two sides of the same coin. No ability to choose their environment and leave others alone. They are the belligerent racists.

*****IMUS HAS BEEN FIRED BY MSNBC******

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17999196/

I think the reality of this situation is very simple. The comment is insensitive that is for sure, but it isn't necessarily racist.

This type of over-reaction is happening a lot. A few weeks back a British politician dressed as Nelson Mandela for a fancy dress party and was declared a racist. Nelson Mandela was later informed and he had no problem with it, although I know in the situation the basketball team did. But would it not be Racist to say a white man cannot dress as a black man for a fancy dress party?

Things are becoming so that you can no longer been seen to mention or tread on any racial issue at all with it being considered racist.

I think this is the case because as racism becomes less people are still looking for it but have to look hard these days. So in many ways what is happening is a result of positive change.

But I think people have to remember just as you should not judge a man by the color of his skin you should also not judge him as a racist from just one comment.

I don't think Imus is a racist. But you can't say that on the public airwaves and still have a job. Do you think if Lestor Holt referred to the White Hurricane Katrina victoms as *Trailer Trash** Or something inflamatory like that He'd still have a Job? Nope..

Imus has now been dropped permanently from MSNBC:
MSNBC DROPS IMUS INDEFINITELY: Effective immediately, MSNBC will no longer simulcast the "Imus in the Morning" radio program.... Once again, we apologize to the women of the Rutgers basketball team and to our viewers. We deeply regret the pain this incident has caused -- NBCNEWS Pres

Imus is an idiot who makes a living by saying stupid, provocative things. Big deal.

This whole controversy is cooked up by the same racial pimps (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson) that are always ready to jump on any racial incident to make a buck.

I remember reading a children's book about a black girl called "Oh My Nappy Hair" or something like that. The book was celebrating "nappy" hair. It's also a chain of hair salons for black women.
http://www.ohmynappyhair.com/

I don't think Imus is a racist. But you can't say that on the public airwaves and still have a job. Do you think if Lestor Holt referred to the White Hurricane Katrina victoms as *Trailer Trash** Or something inflamatory like that He'd still have a Job? Nope..

Germaine Jackson used the term trailer trash on UK TV a few months back and no one batted an eyelid. He also said he would never marry a white woman.

Imus is a big jerk, he deserves all the criticism he gets. This episode IS indicative of all the racist hatred spewing from the mouths of right-wing talkers, even though they might avoid blatantly racist slurs.I'm with you here. Fire the dried out old bastard. Referring to young college women like that is despicable. They didn't earn that nor did they earn Al Sharpton standing on the issue. He AND talk radio thrive on racism and things like this. These women didn't deserve that. Rightists call it freedom of speech to spit racial epithets at minorities. I call it a crime.

Imus has now been dropped permanently from MSNBC:


Imus is an idiot who makes a living by saying stupid, provocative things. Big deal.

This whole controversy is cooked up by the same racial pimps (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson) that are always ready to jump on any racial incident to make a buck.


100% agree.

I don't like Imus and his ilk, but I like Sharpton and Ganymede even less.

I'm also sick of the "You're FIRED" phenomenon in America these days. Every politician, with one misstep, is hounded out of office. We want "re-counts", "impeachments", "re-elections". We want everyone fired if they mess up.

It seems to mainly come from the left, which supports my belief that they are far more fascist than the right. They seem to have an unbelievable insecurity with people who disagree with them. Very odd behavior from the group that pretends to love "diversity".

I think the right would exhibit this behavior more often, but they have their religious indignation. The pray for god to smite people, rather than call for their removal (Clinton being a HUGE exception. Have they ever hated anyone more?). I guess they also figure that their magical ghost will sort everything out in the end.

I honestly don't see how anyone was harmed by Imus' comment. And if a few words can do such damage to people that they go to such extremes, it makes me wonder about their own self-worth.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never harm me."

Baron Max

I honestly don't see how anyone was harmed by Imus' comment.

Imus would disagree. :)

I know what you are saying though. When people use race conflict in this manner, they shame the fine people who sacrificed so much for the freedoms and rights that minorities have today. If Dr. King were alive today, he would be ashamed of Imus, and even more ashamed of the black response to Imus.

Think of the things that King and the people who came before and after him went through and this episode will make you sick.

I don't care how despicable a person is, nobody deserves a lynching, real or metaphorical.

Did you guys know IMUS was making 200K dollars a day? I guess it is time to retire..

Did you guys know IMUS was making 200K dollars a day? I guess it is time to retire..

So, about $52,000,000 a year if he works weekdays, eh? Jesus.

I've got to do some more calculations....



....Okay, I'm assuming he works 8 hours a day. I bet he works more than this, but I'm not counting the time he plays FreeCell and takes naps while he pretends he is in a meeting. Let's just give him the benefit of the doubt.

That comes to $25,000 an hour.

Which is $417 a minute.

Which is $7 a second.

Timing myself, it takes me 2 seconds to say "Nappy-headed hos", and that is if I stretch out the "hos" in proper comedic fashion.

So, Imus was paid $14 for this offense. This money coming, eventually, from advertisers who cater to his listening audience.

I have a feeling that Imus would gladly give that $14 back and have his job.

Did you guys know IMUS was making 200K dollars a day?

Does that make any difference in anything? ....I mean other than there's some really, really stupid people who pay him that much!

Baron Max

It's about time they cancelled his show... damn it sucked. The only respect I have for him is that he did something really un-PC... which, in an ironic twist, got him cancelled.

~String

It's about time they cancelled his show... damn it sucked. The only respect I have for him is that he did something really un-PC... which, in an ironic twist, got him cancelled.

It's funny, though, to think about this; Just a few people making "nasty" comemnts about Imus is what got him fired .....for making a few nasty comments of his own. Interesting, huh?

How do you like knowing that just a few irate people can have such an impact ...on anything?

Baron Max

It's about time they cancelled his show... damn it sucked. The only respect I have for him is that he did something really un-PC... which, in an ironic twist, got him cancelled.

~String

I can't believe people still listen to the radio. I would rather roll the windows down and listen to traffic than anything on the radio. It seems like the current ratio is about 60% commercial, 20% station plugs, and 20% music.

I drive every time my wife and I go anywhere because the driver gets to choose the music and she likes listening to those commercials. :eek:

It's about time they cancelled his show... damn it sucked. The only respect I have for him is that he did something really un-PC... which, in an ironic twist, got him cancelled.

~StringDontcha just HATE PC. Don't you wish we could openly refer to blacks as niggers again? Hispanics as Spics or beaners? Women as whores or bitches? Ahh the good old days when the white man could insult whomever he wished whenever he wanted. That damn pc....:rolleyes:

This wasn't just one incident. If Imus didn't have a track record, this wouldn't have blown up as it did. This was just the latest problem from him,

and his ratings are falling. The stations has to wonder just how far he'd be willing to go - time to dump him, and arrange blame for Al Sharpton.

The other factor here is that the Rutger's team had just had it's butt kicked on national TV, and everyone involved was looking for a distraction. I'm sure that coach was much happier answering (provocatively) questions about Imus than about the play of her team in the big game. And, too, it's good coaching to give her players something to dwell on for the next few months besides the results of their last game of the year.
I'm also sick of the "You're FIRED" phenomenon in America these days. Every politician, with one misstep, is hounded out of office. We want "re-counts", "impeachments", "re-elections". We want everyone fired if they mess up.

It seems to mainly come from the left, which supports my belief that they are far more fascist than the right. I can't think of a single example of that. One misstep leading to a politician being hounded from office by lefties, one "misstep" leading to calls for recounts, impeachments, re-elections ? Who was that ?

"Yes, it's ok. Just like it's ok for you to talk shit about your immediate family members."

Apparently, we have very different values.

"Yes, it's ok. Just like it's ok for you to talk shit about your immediate family members."

Apparently, we have very different values.

Oh, you've never called anyone in your immediate family a name? You never argued with your brother or sister, and said things that you now regret? Wow, this must be some family that you have. We're you've never said anything mean to them in your entire life.

This whole controversy is cooked up by the same racial pimps (Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson) that are always ready to jump on any racial incident to make a buck.

You just don't get it, do you?

Turn the comment around. Imagine you had a black commentator talking about an all-white women's basketball team. And he says something like: "Wow! There sure are some scanky looking whores on that team! Oops, just kidding."

What do you think the reaction would be?

Oh, you've never called anyone in your immediate family a name? You never argued with your brother or sister, and said things that you now regret? Wow, this must be some family that you have. We're you've never said anything mean to them in your entire life.

Of course I have. But I've never called my brothers redneck trailer trash.... or any other racist remark of that nature... and thats what you're comparing it to.

The Rutgers team isn't Al Sharpton.
The Rutgers team isn't Jesse Jackson
The Rutgers team isn't the media
The Rutgers team isn't political correctness
The Rutgers team is a college womens basketball team.
The Rutgers team was an easy target for a white bigot
The Rutgers team didn't deserve it.

You just don't get it, do you?

Turn the comment around. Imagine you had a black commentator talking about an all-white women's basketball team. And he says something like: "Wow! There sure are some scanky looking whores on that team! Oops, just kidding."

What do you think the reaction would be?
My reaction would be exactly the same. I'd write the guy off as an idiot. Who gives a shit what some idiot says? The same goes for Imus and your black Imus.

As usual I find myself on the complete outside of nearly everyone on these kinds of things.

I will simply ask the question:

"Do you really want corporate "media" dictating, your freedom of speech?"

So what if NBC fired him for saying that. That is their choice and their right. What they lie about is that it was about "morality". Anyone whom has even even smelled a corporation(I worked for one), knows this - bottom line. That's it, the bottom line and nothing else.

Basically this guy, like anyone else is allowed to pretty much say whatever the fuck he wants....freedom of speech. Yes it IS legal to be racist, as long as you don't ACT on it. You CAN say these things. It's funny, NBC was fine with it, as long as this guy was making money, as soon as he wasn't - GONE. That's the corporation folks.

So, what are we argueing here, that ANY media cannot have these kind of comments or is everyone just pissing and moaning about a classic corporation decision.

Basically this guy can now get picked up by the same corporation that pays all them rappers.

You just don't get it, do you?

Turn the comment around. Imagine you had a black commentator talking about an all-white women's basketball team. And he says something like: "Wow! There sure are some scanky looking whores on that team! Oops, just kidding."

What do you think the reaction would be?

This happens all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=006A5hfm0X8

This guy is an author, and is still employed. And he argues that white people are slave-owners that want to "kill blacks" because it is part of "their plan". The want to do it "in many different ways".

This is hate-filled rhetoric designed to start riots and wars. But, he is black, and the object of his hate is white, so he is immune.

This guy says that the true "nigger" is the white man and the white woman. This was shown on C-Span and someone publishes his books.

Chris Rock wants to know, "Who is more racist, White People or Black People?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utnK4o-jvzk&mode=related&search=

Surely you see the discrepancy between what Imus said and what people have said after Katrina. Imus made an un-funny insult. After Katrina, people were accusing whites of murder. You are a slanted dude if you think the former is worse than the latter.

... But the more this continues, the more it seems like a witch hunt in which to blame all of society's racial tension on a single person.

Did anyone watch the interview with Al Sharpton? Good-old Al tried to twist everything he said into some sort of racial comment ...


It is a fact worth noting that nothing that Imus said was racial. Nothing. Look at the quote.

Really - what's the big deal?

It is a fact worth noting that nothing that Imus said was racial. Nothing. Look at the quote.

Really - what's the big deal?

Have you never made a bad comment about a woman's hair?

I take it you aren't married.

Swivel,
That shit was crazy. That was on C-SPAN? What the hell was that?

Don Imus is either slightly retarded or extremely racist, or both.

This happens all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=006A5hfm0X8

This guy is an author, and is still employed. And he argues that white people are slave-owners that want to "kill blacks" because it is part of "their plan". The want to do it "in many different ways".

This is hate-filled rhetoric designed to start riots and wars. But, he is black, and the object of his hate is white, so he is immune.

This guy says that the true "nigger" is the white man and the white woman. This was shown on C-Span and someone publishes his books.

Chris Rock wants to know, "Who is more racist, White People or Black People?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utnK4o-jvzk&mode=related&search=

Surely you see the discrepancy between what Imus said and what people have said after Katrina. Imus made an un-funny insult. After Katrina, people were accusing whites of murder. You are a slanted dude if you think the former is worse than the latter.


What a cheap comeback. He isn't an employee of any News outlet. He isn't sponsored by GM or Proctor & Gamble. I love it how people want to judge the entire Black race by their worst examples. But use their most revered citizens to illustrate the best examples of their race.

David Duke is on national TV all the time, you have your nutbags and Blacksk have ours.

Both sides have racist extremists so what's your point? Why is David Duke still employed? Why is Rush Limbaugh still employed? So because David Duke is employed I have the right to go out and verbaly assualt whites in protest? NOT!

Swivel,
That shit was crazy. That was on C-SPAN? What the hell was that?

And he's a part of the Minute Men movement. He's like the head of the Black Chapter. I don't know any Blacks who for sending all Mexicans back to Mexico. However, I'm sure they exist.

Swivel,
That shit was crazy. That was on C-SPAN? What the hell was that?

The point is that you can slander the majority, and there are no consequences. No uproar. People were calling Bush a racist after Katrina. Some people were even saying that he wanted black people to die, and that he hates black people. This is a guy that has more blacks in his cabinet than his predecessor, and has them in powerful positions, not just filler spots.

Now, I'm not a Bush fan, and I have stated over and over again that I hate Imus, I hate shock-jocks, I hate the radio, I hate that the freedom of speech is abused in this way. However, I hate the hypocrisy even worse. I hate Jesse Jackson the most.

And, if you ask me, this issue is more about the evil of Jesse Jackson than it is about the evil of Imus. It is more about the bizarre sort of racism that people like Ganymede have than it is about Imus being racist. And I don't mind playing the Devil's Advocate to show these loons for what they are.

The point is that you can slander the majority, and there are no consequences. No uproar. People were calling Bush a racist after Katrina. Some people were even saying that he wanted black people to die, and that he hates black people. This is a guy that has more blacks in his cabinet than his predecessor, and has them in powerful positions, not just filler spots.

Now, I'm not a Bush fan, and I have stated over and over again that I hate Imus, I hate shock-jocks, I hate the radio, I hate that the freedom of speech is abused in this way. However, I hate the hypocrisy even worse. I hate Jesse Jackson the most.

And, if you ask me, this issue is more about the evil of Jesse Jackson than it is about the evil of Imus. It is more about the bizarre sort of racism that people like Ganymede have than it is about Imus being racist. And I don't mind playing the Devil's Advocate to show these loons for what they are.

CBS fired Don Imus too. I"m sure you're at the breaking point right now. And BTW you've reformed me. I no longer think Imus should of been fired. I think it's the rappers fault, and the Black Extremist that appeared on C-SPAN. And the Liberal Media who has a Pro-Black bias. Don Imus should of kept his job. Eventhough he said Serena Williams belongs in the National Geographic instead of Playboy, calling the Black whitehouse correspondent the cleaning lady. But hey, why can't we just forget and forgive, it's only the 10th time it's happend before.

Ganymede,
Find a transcript of him calling Gwen a cleaning lady. I heard it was satire. That's like quoting something Stephen Colbert says on the Colbert report and then saying he actually believes it.

The point is that you can slander the majority, and there are no consequences. No uproar. People were calling Bush a racist after Katrina. Some people were even saying that he wanted black people to die, and that he hates black people. This is a guy that has more blacks in his cabinet than his predecessor, and has them in powerful positions, not just filler spots.

Now, I'm not a Bush fan, and I have stated over and over again that I hate Imus, I hate shock-jocks, I hate the radio, I hate that the freedom of speech is abused in this way. However, I hate the hypocrisy even worse. I hate Jesse Jackson the most.

And, if you ask me, this issue is more about the evil of Jesse Jackson than it is about the evil of Imus. It is more about the bizarre sort of racism that people like Ganymede have than it is about Imus being racist. And I don't mind playing the Devil's Advocate to show these loons for what they are.

Oh, I get the point about hypocrisy/ double-standards. Is it just me or do black comedians constantly say whatever they want about whites? No one would blink an eye if a black comedian uttered the phrase "white bitch."(I actually find what they say hilarious, but there shouldn't be a double-standard.)
Now I have a dilemma. Do I continue to laugh when black comedians make fun of whites? Or do I become outraged and demand censorship? Wouldn't it be a double-standard for me if I continue to laugh?

This happens all the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=006A5hfm0X8

This guy is an author, and is still employed. And he argues that white people are slave-owners that want to "kill blacks" because it is part of "their plan". The want to do it "in many different ways".

This is hate-filled rhetoric designed to start riots and wars. But, he is black, and the object of his hate is white, so he is immune.

This guy says that the true "nigger" is the white man and the white woman. This was shown on C-Span and someone publishes his books.

Chris Rock wants to know, "Who is more racist, White People or Black People?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utnK4o-jvzk&mode=related&search=

Surely you see the discrepancy between what Imus said and what people have said after Katrina. Imus made an un-funny insult. After Katrina, people were accusing whites of murder. You are a slanted dude if you think the former is worse than the latter.

wow I wonder how many KKK got recruited after watching that first video.

I am VERY happy Imus got fired by CBS radio. He is currently unemployed now, lol.

Whoever compares rappers to Imus is kidding themselves. Rappers are talking about actual hoes that DO EXIST, sadly to say. And I have never heard a rapper call a basketball team or any other most black team "crackheaded whores" or things of that nature. That is why 50 Cent can get away with calling women bitches....he is not talking about specific women.

Imus, however, called SMART, EDUCATED, BEAUTIFUL, TALENTED, ATHELTIC AND MUSICAL PRODIGIES (several of whom have valedictorian status in their classes) "nappy headed hoes". If Snoop Dogg said this, I would have been just as angry. But Imus singled out women who have done nothing to him....he is a borderline racist prick.

I'm very thankful for the leadership the NAACP and Al Sharpton along with Jesse Jackson made on this situation. :) :) :)

wow I wonder how many KKK got recruited after watching that first video.

None, I hope. I also hope no blacks saw that and fell for his hate-filled rhetoric.

What disturbs me more is how many people in the audience were laughing it up as Chris Rock made fun of "n***ers". I mean, it is a funny bit on some levels, but the audience is laughing like, "You KNOW that is true!". That bit makes me sad.

As for the arguments that Imus should be fired for the culmination of prior offenses, this tactic confuses me. If the previous things were so bad, how come we are just hearing about this hateful racist? Was someone keeping count, and he finally accumulated enough "racist points" to trigger the avalanche? How does this work?

I think that the media was bored, which is how this became such a big issue. If Imus said the same thing the day after Anna Nicole died, nobody would care. America was bored. Jesse and Al were craving some attention (they need to raise election money too!). And nothing else was going on in the news. And here we are.

None, I hope. I also hope no blacks saw that and fell for his hate-filled rhetoric.

What disturbs me more is how many people in the audience were laughing it up as Chris Rock made fun of "n***ers". I mean, it is a funny bit on some levels, but the audience is laughing like, "You KNOW that is true!". That bit makes me sad.

As for the arguments that Imus should be fired for the culmination of prior offenses, this tactic confuses me. If the previous things were so bad, how come we are just hearing about this hateful racist? Was someone keeping count, and he finally accumulated enough "racist points" to trigger the avalanche? How does this work?

I think that the media was bored, which is how this became such a big issue. If Imus said the same thing the day after Anna Nicole died, nobody would care. America was bored. Jesse and Al were craving some attention (they need to raise election money too!). And nothing else was going on in the news. And here we are.

I don't think the media was bored....THEY WERE FED UP. Imus has been saying cruel jokes not just about blacks, but Jews, women, and other races for a long time. I'm surprised no one spoke up earlier when Imus made fun of Jews and their "funny looking kids". One man can make so many racist jokes until finally people stand up and say "ENOUGH".

It is a fact worth noting that nothing that Imus said was racial. Nothing. Look at the quote.

Really - what's the big deal?Referring to a majority black female sports team as he did is racist and sexist. Obviously this is true or the mighty free market sponsors financially attached to Imus' show would have stood up to the storm not fearing any boycotts from leftists and blacks.

Oh, I get the point about hypocrisy/ double-standards. Is it just me or do black comedians constantly say whatever they want about whites? No one would blink an eye if a black comedian uttered the phrase "white bitch."(I actually find what they say hilarious, but there shouldn't be a double-standard.)
Now I have a dilemma. Do I continue to laugh when black comedians make fun of whites? Or do I become outraged and demand censorship? Wouldn't it be a double-standard for me if I continue to laugh?

swivel and grover had both brought up the points that I was trying to get at. And these, in fact, are the points I am personally bothered by.

Poor pitiful Don Imus. A VICTIM of a WITCH HUNT!:fright: Suck it up bozo and get a job.

I don't think the media was bored....THEY WERE FED UP. Imus has been saying cruel jokes not just about blacks, but Jews, women, and other races for a long time. I'm surprised no one spoke up earlier when Imus made fun of Jews and their "funny looking kids". One man can make so many racist jokes until finally people stand up and say "ENOUGH".

Dave Chappelle - ENOUGH
Carlos Mencia - ENOUGH
Any minority comedian that thinks its ok to joke about whites- ENOUGH

Are you a hypocrite or blind? Comedy based on stereotypes is the soup du jour. But when a white guy does it...oh my god! he's racist! All we white people need is a clear message(which we are not getting). In one ear we are being told that double-standards are always very, very bad. In our other ear we are being told "we can do it, but you can't."
I'm not saying what Don Imus said was OK. But he wasn't being serious. He's not some hate-filled racist that was intentionally trying to hurt someone. He was commenting on how tough the women on the team were and end up making a joke that sounded much worse than he intended. He then apologised because he felt sorry. And instead of being forgiven by Reverends of the Christian faith, which is supposedly based upon forgiveness, they instead demand his head. More hypocrisy. As far as I can tell Imus is neither a racist or a bad man. And he didn't do anything that minority comedians haven't built entire careers upon. Ths whole thing has done nothing but increase racial tensions, further polarise this country, and further limit free speech.

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While we all demand racial equality, something's are kept segregated in USA. Blacks can call other blacks the worse obscenity in movies or television or even in public. Whites are not allowed to do that. It is a racial thing and not a charge of vulgarity. Otherwise, the rap singers would have been fined and their records, videos would not be promoted by the same corporation that fired Imus.

This says, it is a Whites world and Blacks must be protected like children. This attitude perpetuates itself with this type of incidence.

While we all demand racial equality, something's are kept segregated in USA. Blacks can call other blacks the worse obscenity in movies or television or even in public. Whites are not allowed to do that. It is a racial thing and not a charge of vulgarity. Otherwise, the rap singers would have been fined and their records, videos would not be promoted by the same corporation that fired Imus.

This says, it is a Whites world and Blacks must be protected like children. This attitude perpetuates itself with this type of incidence.So it's perfectly acceptable to refer to young college athletes like Imus did? Calling Sharpton names is one thing, or Howard Stern or Dick Cheney but a college women's athletic group? Obviously you and the other Imus cheerleaders here are in a minority opinion. Advertisers feared a backlash. If money wasn't at stake you could have the Klan write speeches for TV and radio. This isn't a free speech issue. This was a despicable racist and sexist assault on a group of young women that did not deserve to be targeted. Whining for Imus and other racists legitimizes this kind of rightwing sponsored racism.

So it's perfectly acceptable to refer to young college athletes like Imus did?

The point is, if it would have been uttered by a black comedian...would anyone care?

The point is, if it would have been uttered by a black comedian...would anyone care?Does it matter? The Rutgers Team is all that matters. So many trying so hard to justify this jerkoff Imus. Look past the political opportunists and think of how you would feel if you were on that team or a parent of a kid on that team.

For the last bloody time, Its not about DEFENDING Imus, its about the hypocrisy of society and the double standards out there.

Does it matter? The Rutgers Team is all that matters. So many trying so hard to justify this jerkoff Imus. Look past the political opportunists and think of how you would feel if you were on that team or a parent of a kid on that team.

I agree. We must protect the Black kids from White "jerkoffs". We tried to do in that Black rape case too. The judge dismissed the case. This type of abuse of Blacks can not be tolerated. Yet we as a society did nothing when Blacks died or otherwise were displaced in the aftermath of Katrina.

For the last bloody time, Its not about DEFENDING Imus, its about the hypocrisy of society and the double standards out there.

Some people are not smart enough to catch that. We have kids in the forum too. :D

Does it matter? The Rutgers Team is all that matters. So many trying so hard to justify this jerkoff Imus. Look past the political opportunists and think of how you would feel if you were on that team or a parent of a kid on that team.

Yes it does matter! Very much so! It would be like... letting North Korea develop their weapons program and even help them out... but threaten to nuke Iran if they took one step further...

It's just so incredibly hypocritcal what is being said about Imus and what happened when its not OK for ANYONE to do it... and yet, there is some kind of unspoken acceptance for anyone who is NOT white to be racist.

Kansas City Star, The (MO)
April 11, 2007
Section: News
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Imus isn't the real bad guy
Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
JASON WHITLOCK

Thank you, Don Imus. You ve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

You ve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

You ve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like it's 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While we're fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, I m sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cent's or Snoop Dogg's or Young Jeezy's latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I ain't saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they don't have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

It's embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

I m no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didn't do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That should ve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, it's only the beginning. It's an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, we're supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we do about the idiot rappers on BET, MTV and every black-owned radio station in the country who use words much more powerful and much more destructive?

I don't listen or watch Imus show regularly. Has he at any point glorified selling crack cocaine to black women? Has he celebrated black men shooting each other randomly? Has he suggested in any way that it's cool to be a baby-daddy rather than a husband and a parent? Does he tell his listeners that they're suckers for pursuing education and that they're selling out their race if they do?

When Imus does any of that, call me and I ll get upset. Until then, he is what he is -- a washed-up shock jock who is very easy to ignore when you're not looking to be made a victim.

No. We all know where the real battleground is. We know that the gangsta rappers and their followers in the athletic world have far bigger platforms to negatively define us than some old white man with a bad radio show. There's no money and lots of danger in that battle, so Jesse and Al are going to sit it out.

To reach Jason Whitlock, call (816) 234-4869 or send e-mail to jwhitlock@kcstar.com. For previous columns, go to KansasCity.com

If the gangsta rappers do it, so should the radio show host; and the Vice -President.

Obviously gangsta rappers define civic behaviour in America. :D

Yeehaw!

Dave Chappelle - ENOUGH
Carlos Mencia - ENOUGH
Any minority comedian that thinks its ok to joke about whites- ENOUGH

Are you a hypocrite or blind? Comedy based on stereotypes is the soup du jour. But when a white guy does it...oh my god! he's racist! All we white people need is a clear message(which we are not getting). In one ear we are being told that double-standards are always very, very bad. In our other ear we are being told "we can do it, but you can't."
I'm not saying what Don Imus said was OK. But he wasn't being serious. He's not some hate-filled racist that was intentionally trying to hurt someone. He was commenting on how tough the women on the team were and end up making a joke that sounded much worse than he intended. He then apologised because he felt sorry. And instead of being forgiven by Reverends of the Christian faith, which is supposedly based upon forgiveness, they instead demand his head. More hypocrisy. As far as I can tell Imus is neither a racist or a bad man. And he didn't do anything that minority comedians haven't built entire careers upon. Ths whole thing has done nothing but increase racial tensions, further polarise this country, and further limit free speech.

Forgiveness in a Christian culture? How could they judge and condemn us if they practice forgiveness?

They are full of shit for firing Don Imus. Imus may indeed need to be doing other things with his time because he's been on that job forever and has enough money, but firing him over "racist speech" when that's all we hear from black and Mexican comics, and on black entertainment of all kinds, that is seriously screwed up. Just because the black man's ancestors sold him to white people as slaves a couple of hundred years ago does not mean that we should be so ashamed that we let ourselves be dominated by them. What's wrong with this picture? A lot of the ancestors of these people at each other's brains, even in the 20th century. They ain't none of them any smarter than white men. White humans may or may not be better but we sure as hell ain't dirt beneath their feet.

kmguru, Kudos for finding that article.... Fan-freaking-tastic! Totally how I feel!

Free speech?

There was a time when blacks could not say, "I'd like to vote, please"

Now whites can't say " nappy headed hos"

Is this a good time to read:

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/001132.html
(from another thread)

Don Imus is either slightly retarded or extremely racist, or both.

In such a framework he would be slightly retarded inasmuch as he did not say anything of a racist nature. Examine Imus' quote.

Yes it does matter! Very much so! It would be like... letting North Korea develop their weapons program and even help them out... but threaten to nuke Iran if they took one step further...

It's just so incredibly hypocritcal what is being said about Imus and what happened when its not OK for ANYONE to do it... and yet, there is some kind of unspoken acceptance for anyone who is NOT white to be racist.

Agree. And the Jason Whitlock article was spot-on. Exactly what I have been saying about shaming the legacy of King and his generation. Imus may be lower than a pile of ant dung, but that is putting him on a pedestal compared to Jesse Jackson. He and his ilk are the true racists in all of this. I GUARANTEE that Jesse hates white people in a way that Imus would never consider hating blacks. 100% guarantee it. And the people who are supporting Jackson's agenda in this thread are the unthinking bigots that keep race relations sour, instead of allowing the healing to take place.

What really bothers me about this whole absurd situation is that i haven't heard a single person involved in this scandal even think about invoking Don Imus's right to free speech. everyone has come out and said Imus shouldn't have said that, but now it seems like that's turned into "Imus shouldn't have been able to say that". i actually cannot even believe how the media was manipulated into creating such an insane outrage over these insignificant comments.
i understand that advertisers have the right to withdraw their money from a show if they think that they will feel some repercussions from the black community because they are seen supporting something like this, but come on, does everybody now have to grovel at the feet of hacks like jesse jackson and al sharpton because they can twist the media into a frenzy over nothing?
someone like rush limbaugh who goes on the radio and says that he thinks homosexual marriage is morally wrong - is he now subject to the guys from queer eye for the straight guy getting offended and trying to get his show pulled off the air because they can get their bullshit story worked into the 24 hour news cycle?
i'm just disgusted that everybody who is involved in this situation from Don Imus himself to the people who own the stations he was syndicated on didn't have the balls to say "hey guess what, Imus had a shitty opinion but he didn't violate any FCC rules and still has a right to speak his mind". i just can't wait until "free speech" is restricted to "speech that doesn't offend any minority leaders".
i find this whole situation truly discouraging.

What really bothers me about this whole absurd situation is that i haven't heard a single person involved in this scandal even think about invoking Don Imus's right to free speech.

Sure he has the right to free speech. Nobody stopped him from saying it, nobody will stop him in the future either.

But that does not mean that free speech has no consequences, regardless of any label of right or wrong attached to it.

If a radio show host said, I think sex with preteens is good for their sexual development, that would be free speech too. But if he lost his job over it, it would be only because a majority of people in society did not agree with him or thought it was "crossing the line". If he said the same thing in a conference at NAMBLA, he might get a standing ovation. It all depends on the group think.

swivel and grover had both brought up the points that I was trying to get at. And these, in fact, are the points I am personally bothered by.

I heard George Carlin use the word Nigger in his Stand up. And they way he used it was so crafty that no-one gave a shit. He said, why do Blacks get mad because people call them Niggers? I see Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor calling themselves Niggers all the time, you know why? Cuase their fucking Niggers!! (Loud Applause)

And I actually thought it was funny. It's all about context. So, since Jeff Foxworthy calls himself Redneck, as do other White Comedians, can I go around and start calling Whites Rednecks cause he does?

I heard George Carlin use the word Nigger in his Stand up. And they way he used it was so crafty that no-one gave a shit. He said, why do Blacks get mad because people call them Niggers? I see Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor calling themselves Niggers all the time, you know why? Cuase their fucking Niggers!! (Loud Applause)

And I actually thought it was funny. It's all about context. So, since Jeff Foxworthy calls himself Redneck, as do other White Comedians, can I go around and start calling Whites Rednecks cause he does?

You keep missing the boat. Let's try again:

Nobody is saying that what Imus said was right, and that we should all run around spitting out racial slurs. What some of us are saying is that the hypocrisy of this witch hunt is maddening. We either need to crack down on all offensive language, or we need to tolerate all offensive language.

The fact that what Imus said is laughingly trite compared to other idiotic remarks isn't a way of forgiving Imus, it is a way to highlight the inconsistencies of the reporting and public outcry.

I feel the same way about the Duke Lacrosse case. Compare the accusations of a black girl blaming a group of privileged whites, and the treatment she received to the accusations of a white girl blaming Kobe Bryant. In both cases, the white was drug through the mud and had their lives ruined. In both cases, the public got it wrong, with no remorse.

Imagine if OJ had been a famous white man with a black wife. There would have been riots. And it isn't the fault of the blacks, it is the fault of the media, and the whites who allow shame to make hypocrites of themselves. Whites in America try so hard to not be racist that they become a different sort of racist. In this thread I see a few posters who would be the person at a party that would single out the only black person there, go out of their way to befriend this person, and then feel superior about themselves for treating a black "equally". The kind of person who says racist things like, "I have a lot of black friends", and can't even see how racist this is.

White people like that are unthinking puppets, and Jesse Jackson is pulling the strings. It is really sad. Especially when people like myself, who don't care about skin color one way or the other, are labeled racist for not treating some people with extra respect. I have lived half of my adult life in the islands, as the only white person in the crowd. The only white person on the island, sometimes. When people here call me a racist, it makes me want to laugh and cry at the same time.

You keep missing the boat. Let's try again:

Nobody is saying that what Imus said was right, and that we should all run around spitting out racial slurs. What some of us are saying is that the hypocrisy of this witch hunt is maddening. We either need to crack down on all offensive language, or we need to tolerate all offensive language.

The fact that what Imus said is laughingly trite compared to other idiotic remarks isn't a way of forgiving Imus, it is a way to highlight the inconsistencies of the reporting and public outcry.

I feel the same way about the Duke Lacrosse case. Compare the accusations of a black girl blaming a group of privileged whites, and the treatment she received to the accusations of a white girl blaming Kobe Bryant. In both cases, the white was drug through the mud and had their lives ruined. In both cases, the public got it wrong, with no remorse.

Imagine if OJ had been a famous white man with a black wife. There would have been riots. And it isn't the fault of the blacks, it is the fault of the media, and the whites who allow shame to make hypocrites of themselves. Whites in America try so hard to not be racist that they become a different sort of racist. In this thread I see a few posters who would be the person at a party that would single out the only black person there, go out of their way to befriend this person, and then feel superior about themselves for treating a black "equally". The kind of person who says racist things like, "I have a lot of black friends", and can't even see how racist this is.

White people like that are unthinking puppets, and Jesse Jackson is pulling the strings. It is really sad. Especially when people like myself, who don't care about skin color one way or the other, are labeled racist for not treating some people with extra respect. I have lived half of my adult life in the islands, as the only white person in the crowd. The only white person on the island, sometimes. When people here call me a racist, it makes me want to laugh and cry at the same time.

I can't see why you can't get this concept through your thick skull. Do you use the same Language around your mother that you use around your friends? If not then why? I find it funny that Whites are more upset at Al Sharpton then Don Imus. I guess some things never change.

I can't see why you can't get this concept through your thick skull. Do you use the same Language around your mother that you use around your friends? If not then why? I find it funny that Whites are more upset at Al Sharpton then Don Imus. I guess some things never change.


Who is the mother and who are the friends in this analogy?

So, bottom line is...we finally need to distinguish between blacks and whites as to what they say...whites can not say anything about blacks that may be considered racist...never date a black woman that may be considered racist....but blacks can say anything against whites because they earned it from history.

And when the modern black is racist towards whites, browns, and yellows, we just take it because whites long ago did something to the forefathers of the present blacks. Well, browns and yellows did no such thing to blacks, why blacks are so racist towards them?

In the long run, who would be the losers with 1.5 billion browns and 1.5 billion yellows?

I really don't have a problem with Imus getting the boot. In an age of PC dominating everything around us, anything that upsets anyone can be cause for termination. Didn't help his case that 1/2 the corporate spnosors were pulling out as fast as they could, with two more on the fence.

What I have a huge problem with is the fact the American people and, specfically, the American media have turned Jesse Jackson and Al Sharkton into the supreme judges of what is ok to say.

Since when was Jesse Jackson the emperor of Black people. In the dark ages people would go to the king to apologize for things committed against his country. Now people go and kiss the REVEREND Jacksons ass for 20 minutes on radio and all of the sudden all black people forgive him?

Jesse Jackson had a child with another woman while married.

Al Sharkton has yet to apologize for pulling teh race card and ending a NY prosecutors career with the Tewanna Brawley scandal. He also incited a riot in Harlem over a Jewish business wanting to expand, causing a person to kill 7 employees and burn the building down.


"We can't stand by and let these white interlopers push a brother out of his home"

That is only the tip of the iceberg for both of them.

Seems like a terrible couple of men to deem the ultimate deciders of whats ok and whats not.

Sure he has the right to free speech. Nobody stopped him from saying it, nobody will stop him in the future either.

yeah, what youre saying doesn't advocate free speech at all. if i went out and said "George W. Bush is an asshole", and then someone killed me for saying it, they didn't stop me from saying it either, but i had to suffer a consequence when no offense had been committed. Freedom of speech implies freedom to voice your opinion without having your rights infringed upon, or having to suffer undue and disproportionate punsihment based solely on your ideological stance. i would argue that Don Imus is losing his job because he had an opinion on something. now, i'm not saying that it wasn't irresponsible for a man in his position to voice that opinion in the manner he did, but i don't think it should be the end of his career just because his employers are too scared to stand up to a bunch of thin-skinned hacks who were just looking for a minute in the spotlight. As a matter of fact, Imus himself as well as people on his show have said things that were far more offensive if taken seriously, and he had retained his job and advertisers up until that point. maybe that's because those other comments weren't directed at black people.
I would also put forth the idea that if you are an advertiser who is purposefully placing ads on the air during a radio show hosted by a well known "shock jock" with a reputation for saying edgy and sometimes offensive things you should probably be prepared for him to say something like that.


If a radio show host said, I think sex with preteens is good for their sexual development, that would be free speech too. But if he lost his job over it, it would be only because a majority of people in society did not agree with him or thought it was "crossing the line". If he said the same thing in a conference at NAMBLA, he might get a standing ovation. It all depends on the group think.

Yeah but radio show hosts aside, if i was a computer programmer and said something like that at work, should i lose my job simply because the majority of society doesn't agree with me? do you even think that a situation like that is likely to arise ever? why doesn't Don Imus have the same right to express his ideas without fear of losing his job that the computer programmer does? is it just because he has a microphone? i like to think in this country we pride ourselves on upholding the law for the minority as well as the majority.

As long as the media creates those Kings...and media is owned by you know who! This self-destructive mentality needs to stop....otherwise the American empire is doomed. :D

Imus talked for a living, on the radio, for entertainment, and for the profit of the company that hired him. Depending on his contract, he can be fired for the quality of his "performance". You have the right to free speech, but you don't have the inherent right to say anything you want on the radio. You don't even have the right to broadcast on radio frequencies without a license.

yeah, what youre saying doesn't advocate free speech at all. if i went out and said "George W. Bush is an asshole", and then someone killed me for saying it, they didn't stop me from saying it either, but i had to suffer a consequence when no offense had been committed. Freedom of speech implies freedom to voice your opinion without having your rights infringed upon, or having to suffer undue and disproportionate punsihment based solely on your ideological stance. i would argue that Don Imus is losing his job because he had an opinion on something. now, i'm not saying that it wasn't irresponsible for a man in his position to voice that opinion in the manner he did, but i don't think it should be the end of his career just because his employers are too scared to stand up to a bunch of thin-skinned hacks who were just looking for a minute in the spotlight. As a matter of fact, Imus himself as well as people on his show have said things that were far more offensive if taken seriously, and he had retained his job and advertisers up until that point. maybe that's because those other comments weren't directed at black people.
I would also put forth the idea that if you are an advertiser who is purposefully placing ads on the air during a radio show hosted by a well known "shock jock" with a reputation for saying edgy and sometimes offensive things you should probably be prepared for him to say something like that.

Sure, but the fact that he lost his job shows the power of group think.
e.g. is voting offensive? And yet women who said they wanted to vote were stoned, imprisoned and kept without food and water. However, they could still go and say they wanted to vote. Now everyone can vote and nobody wants to.:p



Yeah but radio show hosts aside, if i was a computer programmer and said something like that at work, should i lose my job simply because the majority of society doesn't agree with me? do you even think that a situation like that is likely to arise ever? why doesn't Don Imus have the same right to express his ideas without fear of losing his job that the computer programmer does? is it just because he has a microphone? i like to think in this country we pride ourselves on upholding the law for the minority as well as the majority.

Since the majority of society would not be at work with you I doubt you'd lose your job. However, if you went on national television and said it and enough people objected, you most certainly might.

Since the majority of society would not be at work with you I doubt you'd lose your job. However, if you went on national television and said it and enough people objected, you most certainly might.

The interesting thing to note in all this is ....the "majority" of people in the USA did NOT hear him say that. He does NOT have that large an audience. So ....what we're seeing is just a few, maybe only one, of his listeners was offended, then took it to the newscasters. So you see, .....in essence, only a very few actually heard his comment ....and only that few were able to cause the public outcry. NOT the majority!

Sure, but the fact that he lost his job shows the power of group think.

Nope, Sam, that's not true! What it shows is the power of the newscasters!!! Had they not brought it to the attention of the viewing public, only a few people would have known about it. See? And once again .....ignorance is bliss.

e.g. is voting offensive? And yet women who said they wanted to vote were stoned, imprisoned and kept without food and water. However, they could still go and say they wanted to vote. Now everyone can vote and nobody wants to.

The worst mistake that man ever made was giving women the right to vote!

Baron Max

The interesting thing to note in all this is ....the "majority" of people in the USA did NOT hear him say that. He does NOT have that large an audience. So ....what we're seeing is just a few, maybe only one, of his listeners was offended, then took it to the newscasters. So you see, .....in essence, only a very few actually heard his comment ....and only that few were able to cause the public outcry. NOT the majority!

Nope, Sam, that's not true! What it shows is the power of the newscasters!!! Had they not brought it to the attention of the viewing public, only a few people would have known about it. See? And once again .....ignorance is bliss.

The worst mistake that man ever made was giving women the right to vote!

Baron Max

They could have yodelled it till the cows came home.

In fact, there was no intention to fire him in the beginning, it was only when everyone started baying for his blood that he was kicked out. Plus, how many people are coming up to say he should not be fired?

They could have yodelled it till the cows came home.

In fact, there was no intention to fire him in the beginning, it was only when everyone started baying for his blood that he was kicked out. Plus, how many people are coming up to say he should not be fired?

Well, the other talking heads sure aren't saying anything positive about Imus. They want to keep their jobs, you know.

And that is why the outrage is an outrage. People's behavior is colored by the reaction to a pretty bland insult. Which is making other talking heads censor themselves.

I have noticed that they go to black people for their opinions on this issue. ESPN goes to Stephen A. Smith, for instance. The reality is that this sort of nonsense creates an atmosphere where only blacks can talk about race relations because they are somehow immune to being labeled "racist". Anytime a white person talks about race relations, they either have to be racist by being anti-white, or they are called racist for being neutral.

This is the fuzziness that comes from censoring people. From allowing one group to police what is morally permissible. And the only thing keeping everyone from seeing it this way is the sanctioned hatred of whites that is fostered by the black community, and gladly accepted by the whites who loathe their own race. There is a cowering-via-shame process going on here that is identical to what whites did to blacks in the past.

Two wrongs do not make a right. But that doesn't seem to keep people from trying...

I still don't see any hypocrisy or double standard here.

There aren't any radio or TV hosts around who can say things like Imus says, about rednecks or whites or blacks or anybody, without risking their jobs - and this last comment by Imus was just too far over the line of courtesy.

He's not a standup comedian, playing to a paying, self-selected crowd. He' s not a political rabble-rouser with a following. He's a llicensed broadcast radio host, on the public airwaves.

He shouldn't talk about young women like that, and this latest incident was just the latest in a long line of rude, vulgar, objectionable discourtesies from him.

Advertisers are perfectly within their rights to yank ads, and people who see bigotry and misogyny in his comment there are perfectly reasonable in doing so.

What is the problem here? So he shoots his mouth off and gets fired, so what?

What is the problem here? So he shoots his mouth off and gets fired, so what?

If that was how it happened, I wouldn't care. But the fact that he's tromping around having to kiss Al Sharpton's and Jesse Jackson's ass in order to still be considered a human being is a whole other matter.

There aren't any radio or TV hosts around who can say things like Imus says, about rednecks or whites or blacks or anybody, without risking their jobs - and this last comment by Imus was just too far over the line of courtesy.


Tom Pope is a black talk-show host from Columbus, Ohio. He has been very harsh on the Hispanics ever since the 2000 census showed them overtaking blacks as the largest minority. He makes many of his shows almost nothing but hate-fests against another race.

Larry Elder is a Libertarian who is able to speak the truth about these things. He is a tad to the right for me, but his views on race relations are spot-on.

http://www.larryelder.com/larrysbooks.html

1. Blacks are more racist than whites
2. White condescension is as real as black racism
3. The media bias: it's real, it's widespread, it's destructive
4. The glass ceiling: full of holes
5. America's greatest problem: illegitimacy
6. The big lie: our healthcare crisis
7. The welfare state: helping us to death
8. Republicans vs. Democrats: maybe a dime's worth of difference
9. Vietnam II: the war on drugs, and we're losing that one too
10. Gun control advocates: good guys with blood on their hands

Elder names names, presents facts and evidence, and sets the record straight. This former attorney argues that we must all take a series of urgent steps in order to redirect American society toward moral and financial success. He offers a cohesive and practical agenda to effect change, including reforming our intrusive government.

A white person could never say the things on the air that Larry Elder does. If Imus said in jest what Larry says with stern seriousness, he would have been fired a decade ago.

I enjoy debating this issue with you, but you are wrong on all accounts.

Tom Pope is a black talk-show host from Columbus, Ohio. He has been very harsh on the Hispanics ever since the 2000 census showed them overtaking blacks as the largest minority. He makes many of his shows almost nothing but hate-fests against another race.

Larry Elder is a Libertarian who is able to speak the truth about these things. He is a tad to the right for me, but his views on race relations are spot-on.

http://www.larryelder.com/larrysbooks.html



A white person could never say the things on the air that Larry Elder does. If Imus said in jest what Larry says with stern seriousness, he would have been fired a decade ago.

I enjoy debating this issue with you, but you are wrong on all accounts.

That's why his support in the Black Community is nil. To be a Black Conservative you must first denounce your own race. They won't accept you any other way. This is a common passage spoken by Black Conservatives "Blacks or More Prejudice then Whites" That's Bullshit! That's why he has zero support in the Black Community.

Well, the other talking heads sure aren't saying anything positive about Imus. They want to keep their jobs, you know.

And that is why the outrage is an outrage. People's behavior is colored by the reaction to a pretty bland insult. Which is making other talking heads censor themselves.
Two wrongs do not make a right. But that doesn't seem to keep people from trying...

Correct.

The power of public opinion must never be underestimated especially when power is resident in the hands of the people via elected officials or even, in the market, by consumption.

The other side of the coin is that this opinion is directed by the media rather than by the people and in many capitalist/industrialist countries, the media is controlled by political or financial interests, with vested interests in public opinion/consumption.

It is interesting to speculate on the reasons why racism is kept alive through media manipulation of opinion.

That's why his support in the Black Community is nil. To be a Black Conservative you must first denounce your own race. They won't accept you any other way. This is a common passage spoken by Black Conservatives "Blacks or More Prejudice then Whites" That's Bullshit! That's why he has zero support in the Black Community.


The fact that he has no support from blacks does not indicate whether or not he is correct. You are being a racist to suggest that the color of someone's skin is an argument for the merit of a logical position. We would have to debate the man's points in a vacuum, looking only at his arguments. You see? That is what we non-racists do. We don't tally the number of people with different hues to determine rightness.

And if you read my post again, my point was not just the correctness of Larry's ideas, my point was that a white talk show host could never say these things. More proof that our PC mindset is a racist one.

I do love the way that you comment on that part of my post and ignore the clear refutation of iceaura's argument. Very clever.

If Imus said in jest what Larry says with stern seriousness, he would have been fired a decade ago. Nothing that you've quoted there is all that bad.

You seem to be conflating political stance with objectionable language and insult. Imus is not being fired for his political stances. Nobody is mad at him for his political stance against black women on basketball teams. Plenty of talk shows are hate-fests - with white hosts leading hatefests against other races, etc - and nobody gets fired.

If Tom Pope referred to Mexican girls on a Columbus high school basketball tournament team as greasy-haired sluts I bet his job would come into question - just for the single incident, without Imus's record.

It's the language used. It was not only racist and misogynist, it was personal - he wasn't talking about some general group, he was disparaging and slandering particular people by their race and sex.

Has anyone researched whether what Imus said is in fact TRUE?

Are all of the members of the basketball team under consideration in fact "hos"? Some of them? None of them?

That's dumb. Imus wasn't saying it as truth. If two or more of these girls were turning tricks, and happened to be arrested, perhaps got their picture in the paper with their hair messed up, then there would be no controversy...

According to the Slang Dictionary, "Ho" can also refer to a "Hoochie". More liberally, "ho" can refer to a woman in general, but a black woman more specifically.

Imus' comments could be translated as, "Did you see those African American women with their tussled hair?"

But yo, NBC don't roll that way, know what I'm sayin'? Imus fronted, and NBC was like, "No you didn't!", talkin' 'bout how Imus be haten, and Imus was like,