Have you ever realized how much Religion talks about sex?

Ok... I'm not talking about lust and this kind of thing here, I'm talking about procriation.

For example, the core of Taoism!
Taoism is based on the relationship between opposites.

And Kama Sutra! Pure spirituality mixed with sexuality!
And the Genesis...

And I don't even need to cite Greek Mithology, do I...?

Sexuality is the basis of Spirituality. It's all connected. Eastern Religions, for example, is full of that. And the Christian idea of "being one flesh" makes it clear...

So, what makes them so close?
Can anyone comment about that...? ;)

Love,
Nelson

Damnit Nelson, do you have any idea how hard it is to type this without double-entendres? Egad! There's one already!

Seriously, I imagine that religion is trying to harness the sorts of sensations involved in sex.

Or perhaps sexual terms are close approximations to spiritual experiances.

And Kama Sutra! Pure spirituality mixed with sexuality!

I found little spirituality in the Kama. It's more a guide to social interaction than anything else, IMO. Are you reading Burton's translation?

I'm one who holds with Ferenczi, Crowley, and others who draw a certain mystical connection 'twixt orgasm and various symbolic histories, but when you get right down to it, that only makes religion a fetish.

Food for thought? Perhaps, indeed.

Hmmm ... file that under "T" for "Things you never wanted To Think about."

Anyway, if you need to make sex one of the literal mysteries of the Universe, why waste the effort in the spiritual? The psychological is mysterious enough where sexuality is concerned.

In the end, all that counts is whether or not it's a good shag.

thanx,
Tiassa :cool:

A successful species is one that can procreate readily, steadily, and easily.

A species that cannot do this or cannot defend itself against stronger predators tends to become extinct.

The giant panda for example has a low libido and without the help of man is very likely to become extinct soon.

Within humans the sex drive is strong and intelligence has made man the strongest animal on the planet.

Sex is the primary mechanism that makes evolution possible. Sex even helps sell cars.

Sex is a dominant component in the lives of the majority of people. It infiltrates almost every aspect of human life. It would be very unusual if religion didn’t make reference to sex. The more enlightened religions, generally Eastern, embrace sexually for its obvious value in its role for creating new life, but the more repressive religions such as Christianity and Islam attempt to suppress sexuality. Either way the unavoidable existence of sexuality can never be ignored and religions each try to explain it and incorporate it in some way, some in a positive way and others in a negative way.

Sex is the basis for physical life and survival of a species. Sex can’t be ignored so religions are forced to say something about the subject. But sex will exist with or without religions. One doesn’t cause the other

Cris

Sex is the basis for physical life and survival of a species. Sex can’t be ignored so religions are forced to say something about the subject. But sex will exist with or without religions. One doesn’t cause the other

Disagree. I think that such religions are trying to gain converts by advertising the transcendent experiance as close to the sexual experiance. Or perhaps the two are actually simular. But I think it might be somthing simular to:

“When you make love you're using up energy; and afterwords you feel happy and don't give a damn for anything. They can't bear you to feel like that. They want you to be bursting with energy all the time. All this marching up and down and cheering and waving flags is simply sex gone sour. If you're happy inside yourself, why should you get excited about Big Brother and the Three-Year Plans and the Two Minutes Hate and all the rest of their bloody rot?” Julia in '1984'.

Society is becoming more tolerant and open sexually. As it stands, the X-tian fundies are fighting this. A losing battle?

Quite possibly. There is no rational reason to share thier guilt about sex. So why feel such guilt? And thus discredited.....

Will this lead to a decline in religious sentiment, especially of the fundie kind?

Xev
Here here. And it is a documented fact that athiests are better in bed.

This is because they aren't hung up about being sinful. If no gods are watching you can lick what ya like :D

By definition I have to be atheist cos no-one welcomes the fags. This stikes me as strange as we do some of our best work on our knees :D

If I felt the need to believe in something I'd maybe try buddism, Thing is I have such faith in myself. I always get what I need somehow so a god is unnecessary. I have inner peace. It's compounded every time I look around at my life.. My sexuality is in part responsible cos it toughened me up and I learned to fight for what I need and believe in.

Spirituality and Sexuality are intimatly connected...

Kama Sutra has a huge hidden spiritual connection as the main point of it is to awake what they call Kundalini and create spiritual awareness.

It's very connected as the basis of sexuality and Spirituality are the same:

Harmony between the opposites.

;)
Sexuality is one way (or The way...?) to Spiritual awareness, no matter which Religion you are talking about... ;)

Love,
Nelson

It's very connected as the basis of sexuality and Spirituality are the same:

Harmony between the opposites.

Since when are men and women opposites? I mean, there are differences, but opposite?

And even if you accept that we are, what of homosexuality? The Kama itself describes the proper conduct of a gay male.

And if sexuality is a road to spiritual enlightenment, how come it is frowned upon by the Christians?

Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Revalations 14:3
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
14:4
These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Xev,

Since when are men and women opposites? I mean, there are differences, but opposite?

Neutral conception: Human Being
Dualist conception: man and women

And even if you accept that we are, what of homosexuality? The Kama itself describes the proper conduct of a gay male.

I can say nothing abou it... I've never seen such thing in Kama Sutra...

And if sexuality is a road to spiritual enlightenment, how come it is frowned upon by the Christians?

As I said in the beginning of the thread... I'm not talking about lust here. I'm talking about sex in means of Love and intimate relationship with one another. It's said in the Bible:

Genesis 2:23-24 :
"23 'This is!' Afam exclaimed. 'She is part of myown bone and flesh! Her name is 'woman' because she was taken out of a man.'
24 This explains why a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife in such a way that the two shall become one person."

Matthew 19:4-6 :

"4 'Don't you read the Scriptures?' he replied. 'In them it is written that at the beginning God created man and woman
5,6 and that man should leave his father and mother, and be forever united to his wife. The two shall become one-no longer two, but one! And no man may divorce what God has joined together."

Ephesians 5:31 :

"31 FOR THIS CAUSE A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND SHALL CLEAVE TO HIS WIFE; AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE IN FLESH"

Enough for you?
There's also Mark 10:6-9 and others...

Love,
Nelson

Xev,

Hey...

I've already read another part of the Kama Sutra where they talk about sex with man and woman... Do you know which are the chapters... I don't remember...

PS: Ewww... :o:o:o

:D
Love,
Nelson

Thanks!

Yuhuuuu...!!! :D

Tonight I'll have fun!! :D:D

*Picking the phone, calling girlfriend*

:D:D:D

Just kidding...;)
I haven't girlfriend yet...:(

...
Don't understand me wrong!! I won't do those things with her!!!
Well... perhaps when we grow up...

... Hey! That's not your business... :D:D

Love,
Nelson

"The Kama itself describes the proper conduct of a gay male."

Since when does 'eunuch' = 'gay'?

And, I take it that a 'male'plug and a 'female'socket are not opposites ...
'Just different'.

Take care :rolleyes:

Xev,

It's not purple... it's indigo... :D

Why would I grow up...
I like to be a little child... ;)

And at the same time, I like to be mature enough to...
Whatever... :D

I'm pretty much mature... most of my friends are adults...
Then what? I'm an adult anyways...
But not enough yet...

I may seem crazy...
But I'm not... ;)

Love,
Nelson

Chagur
Well I'm still very much intact but I see what xev means. It doesn't speak of a homosexual person, more of a homosexual act. These seem to be predesessors of the Thai 'ladyboys'
Lots of men commit these acts on a daily basis and then pop off home to the little wife. It's more common than you think!

T.S.
I like the new look for your posts, I always imagined you with a big purple one :D

Actually...

Why do people blame so much the sex within teenagers.
What? Do you have the right to have fun and we don't?

Grow up adults!
It's on our rights too!

It's the nature of the human being!

Sex is just a natural part of life. ;)

Love,
Nelson

I like the new look for your posts, I always imagined you with a big purple one

It's not purple...
Anyways...:D:D:D

Oh! K :D

"... more of a homosexual act."

"Lots of men commit these acts ... then pop off home
to the little wife. It's more common than you think!"

I guess that's why I've often been considered weird ... Never have
thought in terms of a 'homo' or 'hetro' act ... Just: Did it feel good?

Take care ;)

Chagur

The world needs lots more of you , keep breeding !!
(When you find yourself up that end of the ballroom :D )

Live long and prosper!

"Why do people blame so much the sex within teenagers.
What? Do you have the right to have fun and we don't?"

Why can't we drink? Or smoke?

The general social reason for putting down sex in teenagers is simply because 99% of us are not mature enough to make these choices properly.

Not that that really matters to be honest. You live once. Way I sees it, fuck as much as you can, drink as much as you can, toke as much as you can, have as much in general as you can.

The general social reason for putting down sex in teenagers is simply because 99% of us are not mature enough to make these choices properly.

Perhaps. In the US, the goddamned fundie fuckwits are attempting to ban sex ed or the distribution of condoms and birth control devices.

They are seriously advocating celibacy! Celibacy!

I'm tired of people treating sex as something sacred. Bull. Sex is about fun, as my namesake would say. Nothing more.

Grow up!

Grrrrrrrrrrr.

Not that that really matters to be honest. You live once. Way I sees it, fuck as much as you can, drink as much as you can, toke as much as you can, have as much in general as you can.

Aye! Well said!

I agree with you Tyler.

But always be responsible and do things in moderation. ;)

Love,
Nelson

Tyler

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Nelson
I agree with you Tyler.

But always be responsible and do things in moderation

Nelson
How can you agree with Tyler if he's advocating excess ?
:confused:

Ah but excess only to the point that you enjoy it all. Perhaps, moderation is what nelson enjoys.

Personally I think that's just plain stupid though.

And thank you Xev, nelson and bbc!

I don't see sex as sacred or anything, just fun, but fun you have only with the person you love.

I don't see sex as sacred or anything, just fun, but fun you have only with the person you love.

You're mental. :p

Personally, I've had some of the best sex in my life with people I've never even spoken to :D

Eye contact, a brief nod of the head, oh and having my erection in my hand was a big clue. :D

Other times there were things like saunas (Bath houses?) were boys go to sweat in what ever way they can.

The big thing was maybe the non verbal communication. Absolutely no strings just a huge big bag of expended lust.

A lot of hetty boys bark on about 'the chase' Fuck all that I don't have the time. Gimme a hot guy with some time on his hands and the inclination.

It's also free :D:D

Wow.....I am in utter awe.

I was thinking of somthing along the lines of sign language...:D

To quote the Borg queen:

"YOU HUMANS THINK IN SUCH 3 DIMENSIONAL TERMS"

Glad to have enlightened you my queen. It's all out there if ya know where to look. I bet if I hit your town I could get laid within 1 hour without hitting a bar or opening my wallet.

Life is soooo sweet :D

Wow....I had no idea.

*Thinks*

My town, yes.

Stay safe dear. I know I sound like a grandmother, and I am telling you what you already know...have fun. :cool:

P.S: I am still in utter awe. ;)

Don't worry honey I'm a married queen now. I go out to build up my appetite but I always come home to eat. That was all in the glorious youthful past.
By the way. how come you don't show up as online. PM me if it's a secret I'm just being nosey I can't help myself :D
Love Bill

By the way. how come you don't show up as online. PM me if it's a secret I'm just being nosey I can't help myself

I could tell you, but you have to swear absolute secrecy ;)

It is simply the way I have my profile set, I think I must have clicked on the 'invisible mode' button when messing with preferences.

bbcboy,

I Posted:
But always be responsible and do things in moderation

Can you see the word "moderation" there...? :D

For ALL:

Why Sex is Spiritual:

Spirituality is based in intimate relationships.
As the intimacy increases, it becomes more and more spiritual.

For example, in Christianism, the intimacy with God is the goal, in order to become like Him. Christians grow up spiritually as they grow up with their relationship with God (of course, never physical).

Sex is Spiritual because it's based on the Union and Harmony between the Opposites. That's the Essence of the Universe. The opposites are always moving, and this movement is called changes. If you are sad, you change and become happy. See that it goes from one thing to its opposite.

The Harmonic Relations between the opossites create a balanced relationship. Love is the Equilibrium between the Opposites.

Sex is the union of the opposites. So, it's spiritual and promotes spiritual self-awareness when practiced in a spiritual way.

Love,
Nelson

When I was 18, I wanted sex just for sex, to get my rocks off. Typical biological urges and all. Now, I prefer to actually care about the person I'm shagging.

Firstoff, men and women are not opposites.

Secondly, boinking to become intimate with God? Okay, I am SO glad I am an athiest right now! Eeek! The Greeks would be pleased. :p

Adam: Aww, how romantic. Of course, Sir Loone probably feels the same way about you.

Yes, I'm well aware that women don't have feelings. :p

Well, you're the second woman in a week who thought to mock my romantic ideals. You're all big horrible meanies... so sad... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! :p

Dear, sweet Adam, I like your romantic notions. But you cast aspersions on my character, and I had to avenge my honor.

In fact, I think I'll add you to my list.

So mean. They're all so horrible...

Adam,

When I was 18, I wanted sex just for sex, to get my rocks off. Typical biological urges and all. Now, I prefer to actually care about the person I'm shagging.

Tisc, tisc...:rolleyes:

Pretty, eh? :eek: :D

I care who I'll... er... I'm... er... whatever... "shagging"... ;)

Xev,

Firstoff, men and women are not opposites.

What they are then...? ;)

Secondly, boinking to become intimate with God? Okay, I am SO glad I am an athiest right now! Eeek! The Greeks would be pleased.

You understood me wrong... :D


Hey! You two are everywhere, uh? How can you post so quickly in many threads at the same time!?!?!?
Are you robots!?!?!?!?! :bugeye: :bugeye: :eek: :D

Love,
Nelson

I have super powers.

Nelson:
What they are then...?

Humans. You got a lot to learn, boy.

Adam:
So mean. They're all so horrible...

Awww. Lemme kiss and make it better. :p

You wish hellbeasty. Get thee gone, and hence thereforto withforeall muchness and heretofore, thence whence hither and thither...

PS: I am SOOO gonna dob on you to Loone and Tyler.

I'm gonna get Big Bad Asscroft (Bubba in the sack) to give you a hiding for that! :p

As for atheists in the sack, well, I can't say I've often quizzed girls about religious/philosophical stuff prior to shagging. But as for myself, I don't think I have any hang-ups or restrictions in the sack, apart from being the shy type and all.

As for atheists in the sack, well, I can't say I've often quizzed girls about religious/philosophical stuff prior to shagging.

Oh, I make my partners take the MMPI and undergoe background checks before I even start dating.....oh fine, I don't!

No, see, it's easily demonstrated:
1: We have the extra love of life and sensation because we know that death is forever.

2: No sense of guilt about sex due to 'origional sin'.

3: No sense of shame over the exotic - i.e, remember how the 'missionary position' got its name?

4: Umm, I'm just adding this to make my argument look more convincing.

5: See four.

Originally posted by Xev

Oh, I make my partners take the MMPI and undergoe background checks before I even start dating.....oh fine, I don't!

Partners? Plural?

*Giggles*

I wish.

Say, was there a topic? Oh yeah, athiests are better in bed - oh no, that's not the origional topic - oh hell.

*Surveys the carnage*

Wow, I think we hyjacked Nelson's topic. Sorry Nelson.

Aww hell, he thinks we're ipso facto unethical anyway! May as well debate whether we are best in bed!

1: We have the extra love of life and sensation because we know that death is forever.

2: No sense of guilt about sex due to 'origional sin'.

3: No sense of shame over the exotic - i.e, remember how the 'missionary position' got its name?

4: Umm, I'm just adding this to make my argument look more convincing.

5: Always in danger of getting killed by howling mobs- makes us more passionate

Well, I'm not that fussy. I don't plan to restrict my future adventures to just atheists. There's always the fantasies about those black-lace-wearing nuns and their horrendously repressed sexual desires... Pathetic, I know. *shrug*

Who said anything about restriction?

But goddamnit, if I'm going to be ipso facto unethical, I at least get the consolation of being better in the sack. :p

There's always the fantasies about those black-lace-wearing nuns and their horrendously repressed sexual desires...

Aww, well, I'll 'pray' that you meet up with such nuns one day.

That's it. I'm going to bed.

You started it.:p

Hey, I'm not the one fantasizing about nuns in black lace!

I'll include that in my 'prayers'

"Ia! Great Cthulhu! Could you help me get that 'A' in History 222? I'm just on the cusp there....and make sure my English grades are as good as I think they are. And while you are at it, would you help Adam hook up with a bunch - maybe 10-12 - of nuns wearing black lace and fishnet stockings? And hit Adam for insinuating that I would do Sir Loone. Thanks a lot. Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!"

Nelson
bbcboy,

I Posted:


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Can you see the word "moderation" there...?

Yes I can, now look about you. Can you see a dictionary anywhere? Tyler was talking about 'getting as much as you can. '
While you're having trouble with opposites Moderation is the opposite of getting as much as you can Therefore, you could not agree with Tyler ipso facto.

No don't thank me, happy to help! :D

Scuse me tho' I'm being fitted for a nuns outfit... Yoohoo Adam...:D