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infinitethoughts
10-09-04, 12:36 PM
In a paradoxical universe, which we live in, it seems at lot people feel this is true.......The center is everwhere.

Type in the phrase "The center is everywhere and the circumference is nowhere" on Google and across the board from physics to religion (yuck) are all kinds of sites talking about the phrase.

Even in personal experience it seems to lend to this, IE: Every person alive feels as if "they are the center of". "The center of" we don't quite know yet.

So here's pop quiz for discussion ----- Why does every human feel this.

melodicbard
10-09-04, 10:47 PM
Because this centric or egocentric view is the most natural consequence of how this world operates. The experience of every individual is unique and his perspective and perception are bound to be different. Even spatial and temporal relation of the world appear differently in the relativistic sense. If, in a hypothetical society where an individual can share the feeling and thought of the others, say telepathically, then this society may have less of this "they are the center of" view.

Of course, the above is from "my point of view" only.

Votorx
10-11-04, 11:35 PM
Exactly what melodic said. It due to our limited interactions with other people. Of course we can act out in violence,in kinda manners or any other form of communication, but that can be done with anything including inanimate objects. Probably because others aren't part of our own personal "universe" and are rather completely excluded objects, we tend to believe that they are less important than ourselves or in some cases, just a figment of our imagination.

I doubt one person in this forums hasn't thought at one point in their lives (in one form or another) that they aren't the sole existent of the universe.

machaon
10-12-04, 01:31 AM
I agree <the sun climbs, red and angry, over slow motion shadows as I turn towards the dirty mirror with wide glassy eyes....>

beyondtimeandspace
10-12-04, 11:58 AM
Just to add to what has already been said: The subjective is around which all experience is based. Nothing in my life is experienced by anyone but me. Even in a telepathic society, the experiences one relates to me would be received by me, and the self-centeredness of thought would remain. It is the most basic thought functions of the conscious mind, and even the unconscious. Every animal, though said not to have rationality, has instinctual consciousness that centers upon its own survival. A child with rational consciousness is first aware of itself, and when it begins rationalizing, everything is about "me." In psychology, I believe this is called the "self-stage" the stage of mental development at which the child focuses upon itself entirely. This is the most basic function of consciousness.

Cyperium
10-12-04, 03:02 PM
I think it is because everything is given equal rights.

Thus since there is no person that could be called a "center" of all others, then all persons is the center and each person is given the right to look at himself/herself as the center.

The same with the universe, every point has a equal right to be the center.

But that is not to say that we can't look at it from another perspective, if we take a religious look on this, then potentially we could imagine some kind of Godlike perspective, where the true order of things is revealed. Thus we could say that we look at the truth in our perspective, we should believe that the world actually do exist in front of us, and that it isn't just a figment of our imagination, but our perspective of it doesn't have to be the absolute truth.

mercurio
10-12-04, 03:14 PM
Nice find:
http://www.well.com/user/bubbles/FractalGod.html

Nice thought:
Marco Polo describes a bridge, stone by stone. "But which is the stone that supports the bridge?" Kublai Khan asks. "The bridge is not supported by one stone or another," Marco answers, "but by the line of the arch that they form." Kublai Khan remains silent, reflecting. Then he adds: "Why do you speak to me of the stones? It is only the arch that matters to me." Polo answers: "Without stones there is no arch."

an>roid.v2
10-15-04, 12:17 AM
In a paradoxical universe, the center is everwhere.
Why does every human feel this.


Point of reference.

Onefinity
03-19-05, 02:01 AM
I agree with the usefulness of the omnicentric view of the cosmos. Along with this, that the whole is contained in every part. One metaphor for this: if we ask, where is "society" located? It is located in each person, although each person works it out from a unique point of view. Same with language. Same with history - entirely embedded in each person; the question is unpacking it and doing things with it, which is again a unique expression for each as the whole is continually re-woven.