The Census and Politics

Discussion in 'Politics' started by countezero, Dec 22, 2010.

  1. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    Pretty interesting stuff, but I don't think anyone who pays attention to domestic politics should be surprised that Michigan shrunk, Ohio and NY are not popular destinations and that the South and Southwest are growing. But the political effects of all this are even more interesting.

    http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2010/12/census-fast-growth-states-no-income-tax

    The Economist did a story a few years ago comparing California and Texas, and ultimately, the magazine ruled in favor of Texas (albeit they gave Cali a lot more credit than I would have). Low taxes, low regulation seem to generally be winning in the real world, too. I guess the question is whether the powers that run the declining states will realize this. California, in particular, seems intent on committing a kind of suicide...
     
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  3. hypewaders Save Changes Registered Senior Member

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    We should expect much migration and gerrymandering in hard times.
     
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  5. Killjoy Propelling The Farce!! Valued Senior Member

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    Pfft !

    I wouldn't expect the mental mendicants that run the Soviet Socialist Republik of New York to change their ways if The Lord God Jehovah Almighty came down and commanded it amid a barrage of thunder and lightning !
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    There is no great flux of people from California into Texas.

    We see that Texas is better than neighboring Mexico - somewhat. That should be its epitaph in the history books. Its population increases? So does Mexico's, for similar reasons.

    Lowering taxes and lowering regulations, breaking the unions and offshoring the manufacturing, dramatically increasing income inequality, arranging political dominance by the sort of billionaires Eisenhower described as "stupid", and other increasing similarities with the shithole that Texas has always been, have been bringing other formerly prosperous States down closer to Texas levels of education, health care, landscape quality, civil infrastructure, workplace environments, etc. But they still have a ways to go, most of them.

    The day when New York has been reduced to Texas levels of quality of life - Texas with its fantastic warm ocean frontage, its great resource base, its plentiful land, its warm climate and universities and international connections - will be remembered as a sad day for New York. If Texas is your poster child for low taxes and low regulations, you're going to need a well funded marketing effort.
     
  8. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    If you want to stick your head in the sand and behave this way, well ... that's what I expect from you. But the simple fact is states other than Southern and Western states other than Texas grew, and the ability of the Lone Star State to attract prominent businesses has little to do with being "better" than Mexico.


    Keep clinging to that in your worker's paradise.

    Said exactly like someone with disdain for all flyover country. Good for you! Stay in your rusting, hulk of yesteryear. Nobody else is coming there. You should have plenty of room pretty soon.

    No, I don't. People and companies are headed there all on their own.
     
  9. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Also Mexico. For similar reasons.

    I await your celebration of the triumph of low taxes and low regulations in Mexico, as well. Or maybe Haiti? How low will you go?
    Not at all. I much prefer it to New York, based on a couple of short visits to New York.

    Texas, on the other hand - your chosen poster example for the great benefits of low taxes and low regulations - is a demographic, societal, and cultural disaster compared with its possibilities only a century or two ago. Whatever its government has been should be avoided like the plague it is. That is a State of the United States we are looking at there - the sane would not be celebrating its marginal and possibly temporary superiority to Juarez as a place for the unskilled with large families to find work.
     
  10. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    You're just being intentionally daft.

    Companies also needs things like an educated workforce, politicial stability and physical safety -- all of which are hard to come by in Mexico.

    We're dealing in facts and realities, not your dreams about what should be when the workers of the world finally triumph. And the reality is rust-belt states like Ohio and Michigan and over-taxed and over-regulated states like California and New York are losing people and business to the South and South West. The census shows this. Incontrovertibly.
     
  11. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    So such factors don't seem to explain things like population increases and the kinds of migrations involved - both of which are common to regions of Mexico as well as Texas.
    Including Mexico, etc.

    You seem to be taking that as some kind of evidence for the superiority of South and Southwest governance, is all. Do you also take it as evidence for the superiority of Mexican governance?
    So we are dealing with the reality of the quality of life in Texas? Compared with other US States blessed with anything even approaching its natural resources and situation, it's a poverty stricken, disease ridden, undereducated, shortlived, amenity poor and violence prone shithole: has been for decades. How are we dealing with that?
     
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  12. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    Nobody is moving to Mexico, Ice. People, in fact, are fleeing Mexico by the millions.
     
  13. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Lots of people have been moving to Mexico, and its population is growing, and lots of businesses have been setting up there - just like Texas.

    One could argue that a lot of the businesses moving to Texas do so for its proximity to Mexico, as well. They are, after all, showing a strong preference for border locations.
     
  14. countezero Registered Senior Member

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    You're just being argumentative, Ice.

    Many of those immigrants are traversing to the US. The fact remains millions of people have left -- and many more are trying -- to leave Mexico. A recent poll showed something like 4 or 5 out of 10 people wanted out. Arguing that some people are moving there is somehow indicative of a larger trend is simply ridiculous.

    And I'm done here with you.

    Post something useful or play elsewhere. You waste my time with your nonsense.
     

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