What ever your beliefs, prejudices, hates, and fears, it requires no special mental acuity, to know to a degree of manifest guaranteed certainty that those forces consciously participating in the creation, publication and distribution of the cartoons humiliating the Muslim World would generate massive levels of violent anger in the Muslim World. The predictability that should the Muslim World be exposed to those cartoons designed to insult and humiliate the religion of billions of persons that what is seen as the result was predictable to a slam-dunk certainty. The Muslim faithful's response in the manner that we all have seen, must have been unambiguously designed from the get go to absolutely infuriate those to whom were the ultimate readers. Those with the unqualified responsibility of creating the published material must have done so with the conscious intention of bringing about the unimaginable results we are all witnessing. Who, in their most wildly fanatical mind would seriously consider that the exercise of their right of expression by using their talents, their person for even one breath of their life to do this thing? Who can justify the results on any moral or ethical basis? Is there anything reasonable, rational, purposeful that satisfies any private interest to generate and ignite such massive out bursts of loathing, fear and violent anger? The acts were either capricious what is seen as the result was predictable, to a slam- dunk certainty. The Muslim faithful response in the manner that we all have seen indicates awareness, and unambiguously known that the subject cartoons would absolutely infuriate those to the intended as readers. This was a project conducted by acts of gross adult insensibility, or the acts were cold bloodedly planned and executed. \ If this was the result of a mere private exercise of a few individual's god given rights, then at least we know what are some the more loathsome extremes of base human characteristics that some have fallen. The matter is not resolved; the flames have yet to erupt into a conflagration we all know is entirely possible. What does an individual do to ease this heinous wound to our soul and our human spirit? The numbers of persons causing this criminal tragedy are so infinitesimally small, yet the damage so brutally extended that any so-called, weapon of mass destruction pales in a casual and trivial comparison and seems almost benignly civil. There are forces at large on the planet that generates conditions conducive to a singly defined purpose of insidious evil. Nothing more or less than the creation of social and political conditions likely to publicly justify an indefinite state of international war and violence is progressing. Confrontation and an acceleration of the current state of war is being waged by criminals exercising the powers of the United States of America, with the open and criminal cooperation of the Nation’s so-called friends and allies. The military targeting of persons and countries that are not now, nor have they ever been enemies either of our people or of our government, are routine functions of various departments of government. The continuous stimulation of the existing war, carefully managed with strictly defined controls maintain a barely perceptible yet ever increase in the elevated state of ersatz national emergency. The life boats are being jettisoned which will ultimately limit and deny peaceful alternatives to our programmed fate. We are being stripped naked of choices as a people as we are channeled down the one way street to hell -- the last option is the inevitable – an irreversible investment of all that we are and all that all we were into violent and eternal oblivion. Geistkiesel
Sounds to me these cartoons have been deliberately published and the incuring wrath given maximum publicity for a desired result . That is for either an up coming war against Iran , or a major action against Europes Moslem minority and against Turkish E.U membership . It seems to me this is part of a propaganda campaign to whip up public fervour to create a climate where public opinion is manipulated whereby public consent is given to a war/minority policy . This happened in Germany in the run up to WWII , I mean seriously dont tell me by publishing those cartoons were done in an innocent mindeset .
lol I never said Saudi even once. I just said that if your into conspiracies (as 99.999% of SciForums is) then I've got one that will tickle your pickle. Also, the idea that it's a propaganda campaign used by The Great Satan (us) to rally worldwide dissent against the Muslims so that finally the REAL war can begin. I made a thread about this, but it's almost as dormant as Bush's bedroom. AmishRakeFight
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I think there is a big difference between freedom of speech and responsibility. In fact the opposite of freedom is responsibility. I think republishing those cartoons was just stupid and iresponsible. During the crusades people were burned alive for any such blasphemy, not that this is of any use. The reality is that freedom negates values, and when values are out the door there's going to be problems, and usually you look for a replacement because values are what makes life worthy sometimes. In the West people are slaves for money, in the East they are slaves for religion. Do anything to a western man's money and he will burn your embassy down just as fast. Freedom is an illusion and you are only as free as you are educated. Its always safer to recognize the value because...shit you never know whats just beneath the shallow river you are free to walk upon.
Publishing silly cartoons mocking a giant group of people - dumb Over-reacting to said cartoons causing death and destruction - dumber I don't know if it was a conspiracy or some guy that had a bone to pick....I do know that I believe in liberty and freedom of the individual. Anybody should have the right to write, draw, whatever they want. In today's global world, you have to get some thick skin if you are gonna be offended by what other people think or say. So, in short, these people need to grow up and stop acting like babies.
There is a different between freedom of speech and responsiblilty, but it really comes down to one question: Your taboo or mine? What may be culturally abhorred and forbidden in their little corner of the world may be completely fine in the other 85% of the world. They have to understand that the real world is not covered in sand. Swallow hard and back down, Muslim minority. AmishRakeFight
Well said. Perhaps Europe will now see the true face of the enemy. You can't appease or bargin with these people, they must be utterly defeated. The most liberal anti-Iraq war nations now find themselves under seige over CARTOONS.
Oh yes. The problem is the evil publisher of the CARTOONS. Not the absurdly violent response. You are right about one thing though. This whole thing was ochestrated. but not by the evil cartoonists, but Sunni-Salafi groups in Europe and Asia. You want to figure out who is behind something, consider who is satisfied with the results. Remember, the original cartoons were published in SEPTEMBER. This was no spontaneous display of outrage: Now why would these Islamists want to create an outcry against peace loving DenmarK? http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/61596.htm
I think the whole thing is a fucking farce, they are demonstrating in over 10 countries today in there thousands, these people are so immature its unreal, what do they have a worldwide rent a mob batphone, these people need to get a life, they need to get there noses out of religon, 5 billion people can take religon & leave it, we use religon o pray for our sick relatives or for luck, these 1 billion muslims are totally obsessed with religon, they can not get through one day without praying to allah 10 or 20 times a day. Fuck all religons, its time to ban them all, islam is a cult plain and simple, there is not one dissenting voice in that religon, apart from salman rusdie, & that is a fact that nobody can deny. Its about time our world leaders stopped playing with this cult, & started treating it as a dangerous cult. not one world leader can honestly turn around and say, these cartoon protests & murders are the actions of a sane religon, what is happening around the world is absolute childish insanity.
This cartoon may bring a smile to somebody with a sense of humor. But God/Allah must have a good time enjoy these riots reality show. If this ever escalate into more serious conflicts, I would really have a good laugh over the joke played on us by the Almighty.
These cartoons were published to spark a debate for their readers about Freedom of Speech in todays overly PC western world. It has suceeded but not in a way they originally hoped for. At best it has exposed the many double standards in western society.
Double standards, like what, we have lampooned our own religons for decades, whitch hunts for pervert priests every other day, nobody goes to bloody church we dont give a damn about religon, religon for us is a personal thing when we do pray its in our own homes, we question our beliefs everday in newspapers in our own homes, muslims do not & have never questioned there beliefs they have never said one word in the koran is wrong, they blindly follow there religon. "Double standards" if you are going to make such a stupid statement back it up with facts, you know damn well newspapers could run cartoons of god or jesus in fishnet tights being fucking a goat, nobody would give a damn about it, we have something that is sadly lacking in the muslim world its called a sense of humour, and we are also mature, muslims remind me of those crazy villagers in the frankenstein movie, chasing him with flamed torches & ready to kill him because they can not comprehend the man, except in this case we are frankenstein & they are the rent a mob villagers ready to destroy europe, there education & intelligence in this matter borders on the same wave length as a prehistoric caveman suffering from alzheimer's. "Double standards" i will give you a example of "Double standards" , a 22 year old uk muslim who demonstrated against the cartoons in the uk dressed as a suicide bomber, is also a convicted heroin & cocaine dealer, on one side he is claiming to be a man of god, yet in his spare time he helps to kill kids with his drugs, that is "Double standards"
Double Standard 1. a rule or principle applied more strictly to some people more than others (or oneself) - The Concise Oxford English Dictionary I think you just answered your own question there. Someone makes a cartoon about god or jesus or whatever and it's fine. You publish a drawing of a muslim prophet that anybody can draw and the whole world goes up in arms. Another example, you said: They would have no trouble saying this to a group of people who were not Muslim yet because these people have fanatics on their side they're gonna keep button lipped. Not seeing how the statement was stupid. It was more 'stating the obvious' to be honest. I think I'll go eat some flan now...
